The Astros made a big
I like the trade for several reasons, even though I'm not enthused about Gattis' OBP/defense skills. First, the Astros traded from depth. Any time they can deal players that they don't particularly need for somebody that can help them right away is an automatic win, even if the player has warts. Second, there were only eleven batters in the major leagues last season that managed to reach 30 home runs. The Astros, with Gattis, Chris Carter, George Springer, and Jon Singleton, could conceivably have four, though three is more likely. Still
The Braves could "win" the trade, but I personally doubt it -- everything would need to go right with Ruiz and Thurman's development, and Folty would need to stop walking batters and become something better than a back-of-rotation or middle-relief pitcher. I find all of those possibilities to be less likely than not.
I am not comfortable with the defensive implications of Gattis and Fowler in the same outfield. Some have suggested that Gattis could be the Opening Day first baseman while Singleton gets more seasoning in AAA. I guess that would be fine, but it's not exactly a long term solution. I'm anxious to hear how the 'Stros plan on deploying their new toy. And I'd be very surprised if Fowler is still on this team after the 2015 Trade Deadline.
Excited about bringing in more power in this increasingly power-scarce age. Nervous about the accompanying strikeouts (we already have plenty of those, thankyouverymuch). Ambivalent on the prospects lost. If someone could just explain to me how the defense shakes out, I think this trade could be a win for the Astros.
All your catchers are belong to us!
I'm not in love with the trade without a corresponding move. Gattis seems like something of a superfluous piece for the current Astros roster, and at the cost of the good-but-flawed prospects.
I don't love this move, but I like it. Even though Gattis' walk rates make me feel sad, his kind of power is a very rare thing in the modern game, and it requires paying up for, and sometimes putting up with flaws. If he could improve it by even 1.5% or so, it would be a nice boost (his MiLB numbers support the idea that there could be more). We should also remember that, despite his age, his background makes him a very young player, experience-wise. He has less than 800 Major League plate appearances under his belt. I wonder if Luhnow's group saw something they think they can fix, or an area they expect him to continue improving in. The fact that we can speak of him as an above-average offensive player with huge power as a known-quantity is already great; the fact that there might be more left is tantalizing.
As for the return, Folty is a reliever with no command, Ruiz is good, but a long way off (and, like DeShields, likely to be Rule 5 eligible well before he's really ready), and while Thurman has some upside, his best-case is a #3 starter, and he certainly hasn't come close to that in the minors so far. Most importantly, all three guys were blocked behind better options and weren't going to make a significant impact on our MLB roster this season, and maybe ever. The real question is what they do with Gattis and Fowler on the same team. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Fowler
I don't think it's likely, but there is the possibility that the Astros acquired Gattis with the intent of flipping him for a pitcher or some other player. One of the mlb.com writers mentioned this as a possibility. Again, it doesn't seem likely, but just throw it out there.
Agreed. I don't think it's likely either.
From that same thought, would the Astros potentially sell high and flip Chris Carter? Not saying this should or will happen, but is it a possibility? The Astros just set their own market for Chris Carter
I don't think that if they've been trying to acquire Gattis since last summer that they would immediately flip him.
Even Gattis is basically Chris Carter without
This may sound stupid, or naive, but I am excited for this move. Not because I heart Evan Gattis particularly. Not because I dislike any of the guys we let go. For the last handful of years, when you heard of an Astros transaction, it was trading prospects for prospects, or trading ML players for prospects, or picking up a guy on the waiver wire. It
I know this site is very stats oriented, and I love that. Lots of folks will talk about his BB rate and K rate and ISO and his skill/lack of skill in the field, and eventually I will come down to earth and absorb all that. But whether Gattis turns into the next Astros HOF member, or if he never lives up to expectations, I will like this trade because it signaled the time in recent Astros history where they were willing to trade potential talent for talent that should help the big league team get better now.
Lyles wasn't really a prospect at the time, so I guess it wasn't really a straight prospects-for-proven-talent move.
I think the team had come to the end of their rope with Lyles, and used him to get Fowler. This is actual prospects they have been high on, compared to the hoarding of prospects that has been done for a while. (
I love the trade. Not because I'm confident in Gattis but because, as Ernie mentioned, it signals yet again that A) the rebuild has been mostly successful and B) the FO knows it and is serious about fielding the best team they can now, rather than later. It also meets two needs, explicitly stated by the FO: corner OF power and 1B competition. Third, with the loss of Folty the FO
1. In pure baseball terms, I think this was a fair trade for both sides. The Astros frankly paid a steep price. All three minor
2. My feeling is that this is the trigger for more
3. That said, the Astros' batting lineup looks more impressive now. Obviously the Astros place a high value on power, given the number of power hitters who could be stuffed into the lineup. Since the Astros appeared to have been pursuing a trade for Gattis all
My initial reaction, as petty and childish as it may be, is a big fat "I told you so!"
Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you, from an email I sent the group on November 10, 2014:
Evan Gattis anyone? I just saw that the Braves are going to shop him aggressively (which is surprising to me). I know he is not a great C candidate long-term, but his weak defense in LF should be mitigated with the Crawfish Boxes' short porch. We could theoretically rotate him between LF, C, and DH. He would also add another legit power bat, and at 28, should have 2-3 more years of his prime. I think the acquisition cost in terms of players would ultimately be too high for my liking, but I think it is at least an intriguing option to consider.
After discussing how he would fit in an already crowded outfield (
Theoretically, Marisnick and Gattis don't have to be mutually exclusive.
Lastly, I even called part of the package it would take to acquire Gattis:
I concede he definitely comes with risk. Again, this depends on the Braves' asking price, which will probably be too high for my liking. It is a beneficial exercise to consider both the risk and the rewards, and I think you guys correctly highlighted his risks. I wonder what their asking price would be anyway. Is a package of Folty and Domingo Santana even a conversation starter? Probably not.
I guess it turns out that I was wrong when I ended with "Probably not." Sorry folks, it is just so rare that I get something right that I had to give myself a high five here.
So going back on task, and actually discussing the trade, overall I really like it. Sure, the acquisition cost hurts a little, but I think it should always hurt when you have actual talent on your roster.
If Gattis can stay on the field more consistently than he has the past few seasons (and switching from primarily a catcher to a rotation of LF/DH/C should definitely help), then we are looking at a legit 30+ HR threat. A