Please Turn Out The Lights

by rastronomicals on Apr 2, 2007 10:35 PM CDT in News

I'll admit it, sure. Why not?

After Nady hit the homer and Doumit walked, I was rooting for Don Kelly to hit a 2-RBI double.

And he almost did, and he almost walked him, but then he wriggled off the hook, thanks to the major league's best shortstop going back.

Damn, I wish Kelly's liner down the line had been fair.

See, my thinking was that if Lidge had given up three in the ninth, there wouldn't be be any doubt about who most deserved the blame for tonight's loss.

Reading below, I see Garner's name, I see Everett's name (despite his double). And yeah, I see Lidge's name too, but Christ, I think it should be unanimous.

Now we're gonna hear squawking about the poor offensive showing, we're gonna hear squawking about Chad Qualls, we're gonna hear squawking about Ausmus and Everett and probably even Roger Clemens, when all the talk right now should be about our now undoubtedly failed closer.

He can't do the job anymore. I don't know why, and frankly I'm tired of speculating. But he can't, and the club needs to do whatever it is you do to old closers who can't cut the mustard.

Roundrock his ass, I suppose. Maybe trade him for a Pat Borders, or an Alan Zinter.

I wanted Lidge replaced last year, and when he came back to take the job later on, I thought that was a lousy idea, too, but I deferred--as I so often do--to management. After all, they know so much more about baseball than me. If they think Lidge has worked it out, well then, maybe he has.

Or so went my overly charitable thinking at the time.
An advocate for Lidge (and we have a few) might say that the results last year after he regained the job were inconclusive.

OK, then, lousy year, get 'em in 2007.

And then there was the double digit ERA in the Spring. Well, that "worrisome." That was the word that got tossed around. We were worried.

But frankly, it was hard to get too excited, because the regular season wasn't here.

Well now it's here, and Lidge is back to doing what he did for the greater part of last year, and for all of Spring Training: giving up untimely runs.

It'd be great if you could go back in time and retroactively take the Red Sox offer, when they were desperately trying to keep Papelbon in the rotation. I guess they didn't offer much, but then again, we aren't gonna get much when we send Lidge to Austin, either.

Amd I'm also sure that instead of making this move tomorrow, the club will draw it out for a couple months, finally installing Wheeler into the spot in which is most fit sometime in late May.

I tell you, though: they should skip the bullshit. Get over the fear that Brad Lidge is going to go and be great someplace else. Take a backup catcher for him, or a minor league first baseman. It's readily apparent that he will never be great again in Houston.

Much of 2006 was wasted vacillating over what to do in the closer's spot as Lidge failed time and time again. It's not to early to prevent that from happening in 2007, to be proactive and to prevent the past from repeating itself.

But I think they lack the guts.

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"Take a...minor league first baseman"

"It's readily apparent that he will never be great again in Houston."

Yeah, Lidge sucks.

by KE2117 on Apr 2, 2007 10:46 PM CDT reply actions

He's still got trade value

But Purp lost all his leverage tonight. I'm pretty sure the 'Stros are content to running him out until he doesn't have any value left though. Roy should have finished that inning and Wheeler should have pitched in the 9th.

by steve @ The Crawfish Boxes on Apr 2, 2007 10:51 PM CDT reply actions

Agreeing with you...

I'm almost glad it happened this early (the opening game and all) for Lidge to get lit up but as I mentioned in the game thread, Garner just can't keep going to him in the 9th with the games on the line. He probably will though so we might as well get used to it. Geez...

What really sucks though is there is another win for ROY down the tubes. I mean, last year there were so many games like this and Roy still won 15 last year. This is why it is so hard for Roy to win 20 (which he has to stuff to accomplish) ~ pisses me off!

Go Astros!

SeoulStro

Bagwell for the Hall of Fame!

by SeoulStro on Apr 2, 2007 11:19 PM CDT reply actions

100% Agreement

Of course, we're also all right when we groan that they won't pull the trigger anytime soon. But lord amighty they need to can his ass. Screw Round Rock, ship him down to Corpus at this point. Or trade him to anyone who'll take him off our hands.

And yes, I was secretly praying for Kelly to drive the nail in the coffin just to make the point that the lights aren't out - someone just stole the bulb.

"I love baseball. You know it doesn't have to mean anything, it's just beautiful to watch." - Woody Allen, Zelig (1983)

by jetking on Apr 2, 2007 11:35 PM CDT reply actions

I would send him to Round Rock...

You're right; Lidge's trade value is greatly diminished. So let him go to AAA and try to figure it out. Hell, maybe Burt Hooten can help him. Everyone else has tried. But I'm tired of seeing his experiments in the 9th inning. After the game, Garner said Lidge can re-invent himself. OK..do it at Round Rock; but the Astros can't afford a pitcher trying to re-invent himself in the most critical part of each game.

Unfortunately, the Astros' mindset seems to be: keep sending him out there game after game, until the house has burned down. Garner said as much during his post-game press conference.

by clack on Apr 2, 2007 11:38 PM CDT reply actions

1st in a season of many disappointments...

seriously.

by mswank on Apr 2, 2007 11:59 PM CDT reply actions

A comment from

www.firejoemorgan.com, where only the most idiotic of sports boners are highlighted (with great glee):

"Question
When did it become okay to bat a guy with consecutive .290 OBP seasons in front of Lance Berkman and Carlos Lee?

Your other options include Morgan Ensberg (.396 in 2006), Chris Burke (.347), and Luke Scott (.426 in limited ABs).

Everett, by the way, did do better against lefties last year (.333), but Ensberg went for an insane .463."

I retract my defense of Garner a few days ago, doubting remarks from ESPN radio that Garner's on the hot seat. He probably isn't (yet), but he made a giant step tonight.

The most unforgivable issue tonight was the bonehead base running by Luke (that was probably on his own) and sending Burke home from second on the shallow single to left center. As long as we are a team that can't score much, we can't afford ANY baserunning errors!

by bwhite2323 on Apr 3, 2007 12:11 AM CDT reply actions

Nope, none of that matters.

This was all Lidge's doing, It is solely Brad Lidge's fault that we lost tonight.

by KE2117 on Apr 3, 2007 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions

No team game is ever lost solely by one person

Lidge disappointed, yes, but the Astros hit into 3 double plays, the bad base running might have cost us a run, and Carlos Lee could have helped with a hit.

Oh, an have we forgotten about that 2 run Pirate homer in the tenth? Don't recall that it was Lidge who was pitching then.

by bwhite2323 on Apr 3, 2007 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions

i was being sarcastic

by KE2117 on Apr 3, 2007 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions

lol, sarcasm doesn't read well

by KE2117 on Apr 3, 2007 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions

Lidge

It's over for Lidge. I don't care what anyone says, this isn't mechanical or whatever other spin they try to place on it. It's all mental. His career was ruined by Pujols, the sooner everyone realizes it the better so we can all move forward.

Cola
http://www.classiccolaforthesoul.com

by Cola @ The Crawfish Boxes on Apr 3, 2007 1:20 AM CDT reply actions

IMHO

Lidge's problems started before Pujols

by Danyah on Apr 3, 2007 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions

Wheels

Can Wheels please step into the closer role now???!!!

by b0xii on Apr 3, 2007 6:16 AM CDT reply actions

Round Rock

The best thing for Lidge and the Astros would be to ship him to Round Rock, if he has options remaining.

Failing that, Lidge should be moved into long-relief. There is nothing gained for anyone to keep running him out there to blow save situations. Let him work himself back into that role, if he can. It's irrelevant who closes so long as Lidge does not.

by c60 on Apr 3, 2007 7:41 AM CDT reply actions

Amen To That!

It's irrelevant who closes so long as Lidge does not.

Truer words were never written in the angst-ridden comments section of an Astros blog.

"I love baseball. You know it doesn't have to mean anything, it's just beautiful to watch." - Woody Allen, Zelig (1983)

by jetking on Apr 3, 2007 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions

It only took 9 innings

of baseball for the Lidge debate to reignite. Question is - is there really a debate anymore? I don't buy this mental nonsense. If his psyche is really so fragile that he still hasn't recovered after "the home run", he needs to find another line of work.

There's no such thing as a "good reliever with a confidence issue." If guys can hit your stuff with consistency, you're a lousy pitcher.

by dangflagpoleinplay on Apr 3, 2007 10:25 AM CDT reply actions

I love it/hate it

I have to laugh because my dad sent me an email this morning that he watched the game. The funny thing to me is that I had met up with him for a few minutes earlier in the day and he joked about how everytime Lidge got into a game he was watching, he'd always bring the suck and blow it. Lo and behold, different year and same results.

Now I hate that I tried to defend him to everyone through 2006. =|

by matt s on Apr 3, 2007 11:08 AM CDT reply actions

Ted Deluca

had an interview with Berkman yesterday before the game and asked him one of those obligatory, is opening day just like any other game type questions, and Lance responded that the beginning of the season is his least favorite time of the year because the anticipation of the fans and the media is at its peak and everything they do good or bad is blown way out of proportion. he couldn't be more right. last night's loss sucks. all losses suck. we all want to rush here and talk Astros, and all we have is this nasty bitter taste in our mouths. i'd ask you to hesitate a bit before throwing Lidge under the bus. unless you were on your soapbox saying that Lidge should not have been on the team entering the season and last year's sins are damning enough. if you bought any of the kool-aid about his mechanics and his work with Nolan and all that, then don't spit it out so quickly. if you thought he might be fine before, one appearance shouldn't change your mind. Carlos Lee isn't going to go 0-4 every night and Lidge, just like every closer in baseball, is going to blow saves. let's all step back from the ledge, put the gun down, or the torches and pitchforks, or whatever the case may be. let's wait and see what tonight brings.

by littlevisigoth on Apr 3, 2007 11:19 AM CDT reply actions

Can't step back we are already headed down

Vis, I wish I could agree with you but I don't think Lidge's problem is physical it is in his head. We were on the ledge all last year. Like every other Astros fan I was hoping for a bounce back year for Brad but I just can't see it now. He has had too many problems for too long. How many other pitchers with an ERA over 5 consistently keep getting run back out there - let's leave Wandy out of this discussion. I am ok with Lidge as a set up guy but we can't just discard great starts by our pitchers. If we can get something in trade ok, if he can be a 7th or 8th inning guy that is fine too. Either way, when the Astros are in the 9th we need someone we can count on.
Of course I hope I eat these words.

Burford

by Burford on Apr 3, 2007 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions

9th inning woes

If Lidge had any decent trade value would we have made a move this past off season? I'm tired of being excited going into the 9th, no matter what the score, only to see him coming off the bench. My hopes dash. No, he doesn't blow a save every time he steps out there, but he does it enough that any other team would have replaced him.

by Tiffany on Apr 3, 2007 11:55 AM CDT reply actions

actually

if you look at blown saves from last season:
B. Lidge - 6
J. Papelbon - 6
J. Isringhausen - 10
H. Street - 11
J. Borowski - 7
R. Dempster - 9

by KE2117 on Apr 3, 2007 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions

I agree with littlevisigoth completely

I get so frustrated when people get so down about the team and about Brad Lidge because of his blown save last night. Yes he gave up the homerun, and he didn't do his job last night, but there are positive things to take from the loss. Ausmus, and Lidge said the pitch was exactly where it was supposed to be (all you can do is trust they are telling the truth), so he was locating the ball well. Oswalt said he had been pitching Nady in the same spot all night, and he was probably just waiting for it. As I said in another post, Lidge got the first 2 outs on 6 pitches, including a 3 pitch K for the 1st out. After he somewhat unravelled, he got it together and got the final out to prevent the RISP from scoring and letting it turn into what some of his other outings have. I'm not saying that I don't get nervous when he takes the mound, but I'm going to continue to support him because I know he has good stuff and he is not finished. I think he can return to form and be "lights out" again. And I also don't buy the whole pujols ruined him mentally theory. It seems blatantly obvious to me that he is mentally tough as shown by his handling of this entire situation for the past year. Not many people could stand there after such tough upsets and answer every single question the way he has, he always talks so respectfully and takes full responsibility, and he continues to answer that damn pujols question without showing any annoyance or anger. If that isn't mental toughness then I don't know what is. BTW, if it wasn't obvious, my first post was completely sarcastic.

by KE2117 on Apr 3, 2007 12:01 PM CDT reply actions

Lidge tonight? RR? Starting?

Is Garner so stubborn that he'll use Lidge tonight after throwing 26 pitches to Wheeler's 3?

Last two appearances, 2 home runs. Pence just rocked him and Nady crushed him too. The cutter looked good, the slider didn't. If the Astros are married to the arm and confident he's healthy, I've got no beef with exploring all options including starting. He shouldn't be closing.

Join me on my "Jump to Conclusions Mat". If he can throw 3-4 pitches for strikes, gives up gopher balls, strikes out folks, has decent control with the fastball (it looked pretty good last night), but only throws 92-94 (without the Gagne/Hoffman change) does that sound like a closer? Nope. Sounds like a starter to me. Closers rely on 2 great pitches, it looks like Lidge now has 3-4 good pitches and no great ones. If Brad really is the superstar the organization envisions him as, maybe he can pull the Old Smoltz Manuever. Anything but this tragic act.

by steve @ The Crawfish Boxes on Apr 3, 2007 12:28 PM CDT reply actions

actually his last two appearances were last night

and 3/31 against KC where he only needed 5 pitches for a 1-2-3 9th inning

by KE2117 on Apr 3, 2007 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions

2 out of 3 then

Doesn't look any better.

by steve @ The Crawfish Boxes on Apr 3, 2007 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions

As a starter in the Minors

Lidge had 4 surgeries in 4 years. It is really a miracle that Lidge ever made it to the majors. As a starter for 5 years in the minors he only threw 222.2 IP. So with his 45IP average per year the Stros really took a chance bringing him to the majors when they did.

I don't blame the loss on Lidge. Balls get hit, and some leave the yard when they get hit. It is a fact that a pitcher has no control of the ball after it leaves his hand. He can only try to create outs. I would only blame Lidge if he gave up a 2-run HR after walking a batter.

I will tell everyone that the fact that Lidge has given up an unreasonable amount of HRs compared to league avg due to bad luck. His avg against is great and his K/9 is great. LIDGE MAY IN FACT BE CURSED.

Jennings 2001 PCL 131.2IP 9.91H/9 0.62HR/9 2.80BB/9 7.52K/9 1.41WHIP Hirsh 2006 PCL 137.1IP 6.16H/9 0.33HR/9 3.34BB/9 7.73K/9 1.06WHIP

by Shamus on Apr 3, 2007 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions

lol you're kidding right?

by KE2117 on Apr 3, 2007 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions

On what part

Lidge may be cursed. I don't know what else it could be. He is too good to give it up like he has. Sometimes a player has to leave to be successful. He may be cursed in Houston.

Jennings 2001 PCL 131.2IP 9.91H/9 0.62HR/9 2.80BB/9 7.52K/9 1.41WHIP Hirsh 2006 PCL 137.1IP 6.16H/9 0.33HR/9 3.34BB/9 7.73K/9 1.06WHIP

by Shamus on Apr 3, 2007 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions

lol i just laugh when i read

"LIDGE MAY IN FACT BE CURSED."

Just the way it was the last sentence and in all caps, i thought you were joking. It kinda reminds me of the movie Hocus Pocus. Aren't curses like put on a person by a witch or something? I can understand maybe he needs a fresh start, or hes had some bad luck, a curse just seems extreme to me. Are you using the word cursed literally or just to mean hes having bad luck?

by KE2117 on Apr 3, 2007 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions

If

Your luck is only bad you can't call it bad luck. I like the word cursed. Maybe the lore of Pujols is so huge he has enough power to be the best hitter and crush others' careers at the same time.

If we could only harness the powers of Pujols for the use of GOOD, the world would be a better place.

Jennings 2001 PCL 131.2IP 9.91H/9 0.62HR/9 2.80BB/9 7.52K/9 1.41WHIP Hirsh 2006 PCL 137.1IP 6.16H/9 0.33HR/9 3.34BB/9 7.73K/9 1.06WHIP

by Shamus on Apr 3, 2007 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions

I will start working on a serum that

can control Pujols, once it is completed we can inject him with it and he will no longer be able to use his powers for evil. I may need to consult Harry Potter to do this.

by KE2117 on Apr 3, 2007 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions

Not sure why Lidge doesn't get hurt anymore

But he was healthy pitching in AAA as a starter and threw 111 innings at New Orleans in 2002 (He had 19 starts and a 3.39) He stayed healthy as a starter before he was converted into a full-time reliever. He had an ungodly relief workload in 2003 and 2004, at that point, I don't think health factored into the equation. It's just the opposite in Boston, where Papelbon is an injury risk as a closer but not a starter.

Lidge sticking as a reliever might have been a health concern but also a reflection of his repertoire, 98 mph heat, filthy slider. I think they've gotta be open to novel solutions.

by steve @ The Crawfish Boxes on Apr 3, 2007 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions

All that said

If the Stros would have traded Lidge 2 years ago when I wanted them to the team would be in great shape.

The reason the Astros lost the game:

was from bad RP from Lidge and Qualls.
Manso waving Burke home with one out and Biggs coming up
A great play and bad instincts by Everett on the liner to 2nd with 0 outs
lack of timely hitting with men on

Scotts base running was no big deal. There were two outs and he was trying to get in scoring position. The perfect time to try and steal a base.

Garner's management:

Everett should never hit second. It is a joke. And not funny, like a cruel mean-spirited joke little boys pull on their big sisters.
Palmeiro should never pinch hit when Lamb is available to pinch hit. Orlando led off the ninth when Lamb was still available. That is stupid. Lamb is a GOOD hitter. He has power, gets on base, and has a good avg. Palmeiro is a situational hitter with no pop. Just believe me.
Ausmus was in the game to hit in the 10th. Why? Can anyone tell me? He already caught 9 innings and he is the worst hitter in baseball. Quintero could have caught in the 11th. Why not Lane?

Jennings 2001 PCL 131.2IP 9.91H/9 0.62HR/9 2.80BB/9 7.52K/9 1.41WHIP Hirsh 2006 PCL 137.1IP 6.16H/9 0.33HR/9 3.34BB/9 7.73K/9 1.06WHIP

by Shamus on Apr 3, 2007 2:27 PM CDT reply actions

i also

was scratching my head at Ausmus coming to the plate. Lane and Lamb were both still on the bench. granted the pitcher's spot and Everett were due up 4th and 5th in the inning, but i'd rather hope that Adam can possibly come through with people on base than rely on Brad getting on base to extend the inning.

waving Burke with one out and the top of the order coming up was just idiotic. i don't care what your scouting report on Chris Duffy says, you should play it safe and trust Biggio to come through for you.

i'm not taking too much from this game. i'm not saying i have 100% faith in Lidge right now, but the guys in the front office decided to stick with him and Ausmus and the rest of the team contend that he's still got the stuff to be successful, so i'm going to reserve my judgement beyond just one game. i won't wait as long to jump ship as i did last year though, and i hope neither do Tim and Phil.

by littlevisigoth on Apr 3, 2007 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions

Lidge Cursed...?

Shamus, stated that Lidge may be cursed and being the baseball dork that I am I started running numbers. Here is what I came up with.
These are only for 2006
BA Against - 238, K/BB 104/36
Vs RH - 201, Vs LH - 286
BA Late and Close - 247
BA RISP - 241
BA RISP and 2 out - 220
All these numbers are solid or good except BA versus LH hitters BUT here are the home/away splits.
Inn ERA HR BB SO SLG
Home 39 6.46 9 18 47 .509
Away 37 4.00 1 18 57 .271

Almost the complete difference in performance can be attributed to the HRs given up in Minute Maid. So is Lidge just that much worse at home, is there a hang up from a previous unmentionable incident or is he cursed? And more importantly can it be fixed? I think that opportunity has passed unfortunately.

Burford

by Burford on Apr 3, 2007 2:43 PM CDT reply actions

here's painful:

watching K-Rod finish off the Angels game last night by making hitters look silly. 10 fastballs, 1 slider, three-run lead secure. I was reminded of a certain wayward closer from not too long ago.

I'm in the camp that thinks Lidge should be out. I hadn't though of him as a long reliever, though I'm actually warming to that idea. Arm problems would be a concern, I suppose, but what is there to lose, at this point. And to the argument that we are jumping to a conclusion too quickly, I would refer to the fact that I have felt the exact same way about Lidge for the last year, up to and including last night: fear, insecurity, a certain sweating of the palms. It's nothing new; a long tryout.

by alamosweet on Apr 3, 2007 2:44 PM CDT reply actions

BTW

Love the traffic guys.

Keep up the posts.

Jennings 2001 PCL 131.2IP 9.91H/9 0.62HR/9 2.80BB/9 7.52K/9 1.41WHIP Hirsh 2006 PCL 137.1IP 6.16H/9 0.33HR/9 3.34BB/9 7.73K/9 1.06WHIP

by Shamus on Apr 3, 2007 3:20 PM CDT reply actions

Good Comments by Shamus

Well put on how the Astros screwed up last night Shamus. The ones that really bothered me were Everett hitting second when he should not be allowed near anything resembling a Louisville Slugger much less in the 2 hole and Burke getting thrown out at home. I was down the left field line way up and saw the play as it was unfolding yelling no. As usual they didn't listen and Burke got nailed.
I was looking for Lamb but was ok with Palmeiro at that point. OP is pretty good at putting the ball in play and not striking out.
The play where Everett got doubled off was just an awesome defensive move by Castillo. I think less than a dozen major league 2nd basemen make that catch.

Burford

by Burford on Apr 3, 2007 4:01 PM CDT reply actions

"Heartbreak Lidge"

Heard that on the radio today and liked it. I concur with Alamo in that a new season is not an automatic clean slate. We saw these issues throughout last year (69H and 44ER in 75IP) and he had a very lackluster spring (yes - I realize that's not extremely important, but it does kinda fit our pattern here). Keep giving him a chance? Sure - but 1 or 2 wins or losses may very well decide this division come September.

I'm glad he's a nice guy who's effusive and cordial with the press after he blows a lead or if they want to bring up Pujols again. That being said, I'd have no problem if he bacame a surly, insolent bastard and kept his ERA below 2.

by dangflagpoleinplay on Apr 3, 2007 4:20 PM CDT reply actions

I disagree

It was the pitch he wanted, it was the pitch Ausmus wanted, it was a well placed pitch, but Nady was looking for it... This is not the same problem Lidge has been suffering from. This is an early season mistake -- being to predictable.

http://www.goodwyn.net/wordpress/?p=40

by bgoodwyn on Apr 3, 2007 4:37 PM CDT reply actions

Not quite with you, BG

Saying it was a good pitch, yet the hitter fully anticipated it and jacked it out of the yard strikes me as somewhat contradictory and a slight cop-out (especially if you invoke that logic frequently). And wouldn't predictability be a problem later in the season as batters face the same pitchers repeatedly and watch more tape?

The rest of your blog made me dizzy, by the way. I am considering asking you to do my taxes...

by dangflagpoleinplay on Apr 3, 2007 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions

Nowhere else to put this

(not really diary-worthy) but it sounds like Luke Scott has a bit of a strained ligament in his throwing elbow. Lane's getting the start.

Was really happy to see Scott get off to a good start yesterday, especially with the long fly to center. Hopefully this is nothing serious and won't have a lasting affect on his performance (he complained of lingering injuries hampering his late season performance last year).

by littlevisigoth on Apr 3, 2007 5:38 PM CDT reply actions

One thing we haven't talked about

is Qualls.

Where does he fall on the bullpen priority list now?

He didn't excel in the spring as far as I remember and, if we were to go with what's working right now, Borkowski or Rick White or (I know I'm gonna regret this) Brian Moehler should be higher on the bullpen pecking order.

Qualls has been perhaps as disappointing as Lidge in his downfall or the past year plus, although obviously in a less dramatic fashion.

by Kian on Apr 3, 2007 6:38 PM CDT reply actions

Worst Part about Lidge's Debacle on Monday

In an interview (Per JD and Bill Brown in last night's telecast) he said he thought the pitch to Nady was good. He said he threw it where wanted to throw it yet Nady still crushed it.

This is further evidence that NL Managers and Players have a well-written book on Lidge. Everyone has checked it out at the library including the lowly pirates. If Lidge thinks he is fine mechanically and hitting his spots and IS STILL getting jacked around, then that is a horrible sign.

by Big Puma on Apr 4, 2007 2:27 PM CDT reply actions

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