The Lineup We're Gonna Use Opening Day -- And Why We Probably Shouldn't
If I had a hundred bucks to bet (and Lord knows I don't, as property taxes are due at the end of the month), I'd bet that on March 31, when the Astros open the season in San Diego, the lineup that Cooper runs out there will be as follows:
Bourn
Matsui
Berkman
Lee
Pence
Wigginton
Everett
Towles
Pitcher
Barring injury, of course, and maybe realizing that there might be some grey area between Everett 7 Towles 8 and Towles 7 Everett 8.
But beyond that, you can write it down.
I'm not saying necessarily this would be the best lineup, but it's the one Conventional Baseball Wisdom would put out there, the one that someone who begins his sentences with "in all my years in the game" would hand to the umpire at home plate.
It's kind of sad to realize this, because totally apart from some of the lesser offensive talent that populates the lineup, it's a kind of stupid ordering.
Like, why put Michael Bourn at the top? I mean, I guess he's fast, but don't you want to put the guy with the best chance of getting onbase at the top? Dan Szymborski at Baseball Think Factory, in his ZIPS projections, suggests that Bourn is going to have a .314 OBP in 2008. Yet despite this alarming low rate, dollars to doughnuts, he's gonna be leading off on March 31.
Shouldn't you lead off with the guy who's best at getting on? Shouldn't you lead off with Lance?
Never happen of course, but there's a certain mathematically-based methodology that suggests that's exactly what the Astros should do.
I won't get into the whole background here, because I did back in March of '06, but suffice it to say that Cyril Morong and Ken Arneson were involved in the production of a program that suggests most attempts at lineup optimization fall way short.
I took Szymborski's ZIPS projections for 2008 and ran the program, and listed here are its ten best lineups in terms of run production. The number at the left is runs/162 games.
712.49 Berkman Lee Matsui Pence Wigginton Everett Towles Pitcher Bourn
712.18 Berkman Lee Towles Pence Wigginton Everett Matsui Pitcher Bourn
712.03 Berkman Pence Matsui Lee Wigginton Everett Towles Pitcher Bourn
711.92 Berkman Lee Matsui Pence Wigginton Towles Everett Pitcher Bourn
711.80 Berkman Wigginton Matsui Pence Lee Everett Towles Pitcher Bourn
711.72 Berkman Pence Towles Lee Wigginton Everett Matsui Pitcher Bourn
711.50 Berkman Wigginton Towles Pence Lee Everett Matsui Pitcher Bourn
711.49 Berkman Lee Towles Pence Wigginton Matsui Everett Pitcher Bourn
711.46 Berkman Pence Matsui Lee Wigginton Towles Everett Pitcher Bourn
711.32 Berkman Lee Bourn Pence Wigginton Everett Towles Pitcher Matsui
Morong's math may be right, but that doesn't mean Cooper's gonna bat Oswalt in front of Bourn. So here are the top ten lineups with the pitcher batting ninth
681.52 Berkman Lee Bourn Pence Wigginton Towles Matsui Everett PitcherIf Morong's to be believed, it's only 31 runs given up to the cause of baseball convention. The program ranks the top pitcher nine lineup at 25,530th overall.
681.40 Berkman Lee Bourn Pence Wigginton Matsui Towles Everett Pitcher
681.06 Berkman Pence Bourn Lee Wigginton Towles Matsui Everett Pitcher
680.93 Berkman Pence Bourn Lee Wigginton Matsui Towles Everett Pitcher
680.91 Berkman Lee Bourn Pence Towles Wigginton Matsui Everett Pitcher
680.88 Berkman Lee Bourn Pence Wigginton Everett Towles Matsui Pitcher
680.84 Berkman Wigginton Bourn Pence Lee Towles Matsui Everett Pitcher
680.71 Berkman Wigginton Bourn Pence Lee Matsui Towles Everett Pitcher
680.44 Berkman Pence Bourn Lee Towles Wigginton Matsui Everett Pitcher
680.42 Berkman Lee Matsui Pence Wigginton Towles Bourn Everett Pitcher
And it ranks the top lineup with the pitcher ninth, Berkman third and Lee fourth at number 56,486.
Says it would score 670 runs, or 42 less than number one. A small price to pay for doing things the way they're supposed to be done, right?
And lastly, it says that the lineup at the top, the one I think is most likely to be used on Opening Day, and I bet you agree with me, it says that lineup would score 659 runs.
That's 53 runs less than first-rated lineup would supposedly score. 53 runs! That's 5 wins!
That could win you a division!
To be honest, I'm not sure whether to believe these results or not. I see some of the logic, but I'm a little rusty on my Markov chains, and I have no way then to check the math.
But in thinking about this, I'm a little saddened to realize that we'll never know, one way or the other, because baseball is not forward thinking enough to try some of the more radical-sounding ideas out to see whether or not they'd work.
Instead, we'll see a fast guy who can't get on bat number one and our best onbase guy stuck four spots lower, the way it's always been done.
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If Anyone's Interested
by rastronomicals on
Dec 5, 2007 8:48 PM CST
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Somebody, reporting for duty
push(@print_array, 1.00*(int($rpg*16200)/100) . " " . $lineup);
Then outside the permutation:
@print_array = reverse sort @print_array;
print join("\n", @print_array);
by Xan on
Dec 6, 2007 1:17 AM CST
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Thanks, Somebody!
by rastronomicals on
Dec 6, 2007 7:11 PM CST
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Coop has said time and time
Also: I have never looked at what you are mentioning and I will have to now.
If Bourn OBPs 314 there will be a problem. I can't possibly see how he gets to that conclusion of 314 OBP. By no means do I think Bourn is a great player. Given his walk rates in the minors and in the pros he would have to hit about .230 to only have an OBP of 314. That seems rather ridiculous to me. I haven't projected players yet but I will say I know for fact that Bourn will be healthily above 314OBP when I do.
by Shamus on
Dec 5, 2007 10:43 PM CST
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Cooper said he called...
If you want the pitcher batting 8th, you'll have to hire LaRussa, I suppose.
I agree with Shamus that the Astros will have a BIG problem if Bourn puts up a .314 OBP (if I recall that is also based on a .245 BA or something like that). I don't know that ZIPS is wrong, though. ZIPS was tied with PECOTA for accuracy on hitters last year. However, I believe that all the projection systems tend to have high margins of error for players who don't have much of a ML track record yet. If you want a more optimistic projection for Bourn, try Bill James' 08 projection: .276 BA, .350 OBP, .358 SLG, .708 OPS.
by clack on
Dec 5, 2007 10:58 PM CST
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I've always thought it
by Stros Bro on
Dec 5, 2007 11:21 PM CST
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And what happens...
by entropic soul on
Dec 5, 2007 11:41 PM CST
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all I was hoping for
by megaera on
Dec 6, 2007 3:10 AM CST
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Last season, I dismissed LaRussa's...
by clack on
Dec 6, 2007 8:14 AM CST
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When I Say "Pitcher"
by rastronomicals on
Dec 6, 2007 7:10 PM CST
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how many runs?!
Those predictions are syaing the Astros will be worse than that?!?!
I think they are an improved team and will top '07 723 runs.
Something is wrong with ZIPS or I'm missing something.
by Joel on
Dec 6, 2007 1:20 PM CST
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ZIPS projects....
by clack on
Dec 6, 2007 4:10 PM CST
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Lineup generator
This is exactly the thing that this blog is doing and has done.
vr, Xei
by Xeifrank on
Dec 12, 2007 1:10 PM CST
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