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The Mitchell Report - List of Players Included

Link to Mitchell Report
-page 175 starts the list of players

Click here for a list of players named in the report.


I have heard that ESPN Radio on their Mike and Mike Show is reporting that a trainer for the Yankees has admitted to the Mitchell investigators that he supplied Roger Clemens with steroids.

Source

A former New York Yankee strength trainer says information he supplied to the George Mitchell investigation regarding supplying Roger Clemens with steroids is included in the Mitchell report scheduled to be released later today, a source close to the trainer told ESPN The Magazine's Shaun Assael.

Brian McNamee, who worked for the Yankees and as a personal trainer for Clemens and Yankee teammates Andy Pettitte, also told investigators that on at least one occasion, Clemens was in possession of steroids from another supplier, the source said.

More revelations will certainly ensue. The report is to be released today at 2:00PM EST.

UPDATE : ESPN is now reporting that Pettitte as well is on the list.

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Today could be a bad day for Astros fans
I'm sure we've all heard people speculate about Astros players using steroids... to name a few, I've heard at least one person mention that steroids could possibly have been used by Clemens, Pettitte, Bagwell, Biggio, and now Astro Tejada.

This report could really change a lot. :(
Go 'Stros!

by Stros Bro on Dec 13, 2007 9:27 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wait a few more hours
I don't think it's right to speculate about names without some sort of evidence.  A former trainer's statements about Clemens are evidence, so I think he's fair game.  But the others?  Let's wait until noon, see what's in the report, and what evidence there is to back up the report.

It's easy (and correct) to blame the players and their union collectively for the fact that any player who excelled in recent years, particuarly an older one, is automatically on the steroid suspect list.  But naming individual players without evidence is harsh.

You'd think the clean players would get fed up with being automatically tarred with the steroids brush & demand that the union change its tune.  The really sad thing, though, is that the MAJORITY of the players may not be clean, and thus would not support the union changing its anti-testing stance.

Only Congressional pressure brought the changes that have been made so far:  the spectacle of McGwire and Palmeiro being made to look like fools, liars and cheats on national TV is the main thing that toughened the policy.  If the Mitchell Report can at least keep the goverment pressure on, it will be a good thing.

by waiting46yrs on Dec 13, 2007 9:41 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not sure if..
you were referring to my comment or the original story, but I'm not speculating anything, just stating reports. :)
Go 'Stros!

by Stros Bro on Dec 13, 2007 10:00 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now ESPN is stating that Pettitte
is also named on the report... Obviously this is all just hearsay and nothing is being even considered as fact until the report comes out.
Go 'Stros!

by Stros Bro on Dec 13, 2007 9:59 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Deadspin has a purported list...
... dubbed "not entirely accurate" by "a source inside baseball." Astros or former Astros on it include:

Bagwell
Clemens
Kyle
Pettitte
Caminiti
Tejada
Everett

Link

Wait'll next year. Or maybe the year after that or the year after that.

by Austin Astroholic on Dec 13, 2007 11:10 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oops.
Correct. Thanks, Clack.
Wait'll next year. Or maybe the year after that or the year after that.

by Austin Astroholic on Dec 13, 2007 11:58 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I find it hard to believe
Kyle would be on the list, considering they found no drugs in his system when he died.
Wandilicious!!!

by saylinara on Dec 13, 2007 12:01 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We'll Have
the list (in actuality) shortly, so it's a bit premature to note the presence of Bagwell.

Although I'm scared, no doubt.

Cortisone shots: Not just for overpaid athletes anymore.

by rastronomicals on Dec 13, 2007 11:23 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They took down the list
But I've seen other list and they have Bagwell on there as well as basically any other slugger in the league...
Go 'Stros!

by Stros Bro on Dec 13, 2007 11:39 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

False Alarm, Bro
Cortisone shots: Not just for overpaid athletes anymore.

by rastronomicals on Dec 13, 2007 1:42 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So it seems
that that one document that surfaced awhile back was actually of Clemens and Pettitte and McNamee.  Can't say I'm too surprised.

I'm not sure how I'll feel once the names come out.  Depends on the years of usage, I suppose, if that'll even be included.  I'm not sure I can fault a guy who used them five or ten years ago and then stopped once baseball got serious.  Because I think it's widely known/accepted the steriod culture of mid-90's.  And now, I'm not sure it's right to incriminate these guys on that issue.  If you and your coworkers are doing everything possible to get ahead, your employer hasn't said no and probably somewhat encourages it, you'd almost be stupid not to partake.  Seems to me they should call it water under the bridge and focus on keeping this generation clean.

Wandilicious!!!

by saylinara on Dec 13, 2007 11:28 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Discredited Story
is creditable again.
Cortisone shots: Not just for overpaid athletes anymore.

by rastronomicals on Dec 13, 2007 11:46 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Likely to be the best thing...
that could ever happen to Bonds.  It is a lot harder to blame him if this many big names were in the same boat.

by clack on Dec 13, 2007 11:36 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

maybe good for bonds...
but bad for the Fans... Ultimately, this whole report could be considered bad for baseball.
Go 'Stros!

by Stros Bro on Dec 13, 2007 11:39 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Names in the report(confirmed)
Names in the report(confirmed)
Roger Clemens
Paul LoDuca
Denny Nagle
Fernando Vine
Miguel Tejada
Rondel White

*Disclaimer*
These don't necessarily mean they used steriods, just that their names are in the 300+ page report somewhere.

Go 'Stros!

by Stros Bro on Dec 13, 2007 1:01 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

COME ON GEORGE!
We don't care about all that BS, give us the names!
Go 'Stros!

by Stros Bro on Dec 13, 2007 1:05 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No Bagwell, no Biggio
But there is Tejada
Go 'Stros!

by Stros Bro on Dec 13, 2007 1:14 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No personal emotional response
I was surprised that when I saw potential names on the report, I had no emotional response. I wasn't angry; I wasn't sad; I wasn't defensive about Astros named.

Listening to Mitchell now, it's clear to me players who want to use HGH and water based steroids  can escape being caught by drug testing.

Not being named in the Report is not proof of nonuse.

Keeping Warm During Hot Stove Season

by Joe in Birmingham on Dec 13, 2007 1:17 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Players Named in the Report
**Disclaimer** they are just named, take it how you wish

Marvin Benard
Barry Bonds
Bobby Estalella
Jason Giambi
Jeremy Giambi
Benito Santiago
Gary Sheffield
Randy Velarde
Lenny Dykstra
David Segui
Larry Bigbie
Brian Roberts
Jack Cust
Tim Laker
Josias Manzanillo
Todd Hundley
Mark Carreon
Hal Morris
Matt Franco
Rondell White
Roger Clemens - ex Astro
Andy Pettitte - ex Astro
Chuck Knoblauch
Jason Grimsley
Gregg Zaun - ex Astro
David Justice
F.P. Santangelo
Glenallen Hill
Mo Vaughn
Denny Neagle
Ron Villone
Ryan Franklin
Chris Donnels
Todd Williams
Phil Hiatt
Todd Pratt
Kevin Young
Mike Lansing
Cody McKay
Kent Mercker
Adam Piatt
Miguel Tejada
Jason Christiansen
Mike Stanton
Stephen Randolph - Current Astro
Jerry Hairston, Jr
Paul Lo Duca
Bart Miadich
Fernando Vina
Kevin Brown
Eric Gagne
Mike Bell
Matt Herges
Gary Bennett Jr
Jim Parque
Brendan Donnelly
Chad Allen
Jeff Williams
Howie Clark
Exavier "Nook" Logan
Rick Ankiel
David Bell
Paul Byrd
Jose Canseco
Jay Gibbons
Troy Glaus
Jason Grimsley
Jose Guillen
Darren Holmes
Gary Matthews, Jr
John Rocker
Scott Schoeneweis
Ismael Valdez
Matt Williams
Steve Woodard

Go 'Stros!

by Stros Bro on Dec 13, 2007 1:32 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ron Villone
also played for the Astros.
Cortisone shots: Not just for overpaid athletes anymore.

by rastronomicals on Dec 13, 2007 1:40 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yea
I know I missed some(also missed Miguel Tejada ;) ) I was more interested in typing in all these damn names then actually noting Astros
Go 'Stros!

by Stros Bro on Dec 13, 2007 1:43 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ahhh, Shit, Donnels
I was hoping he wouldn't be named.
Cortisone shots: Not just for overpaid athletes anymore.

by rastronomicals on Dec 13, 2007 2:46 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Updated List
Here is the full list(from someone a little more on the ball than me... I had 75, and they are listing 88...  I'm thinking this list anyone who was ever mentioned in it, while I only mentioned those with sections on them.

Manny Alexander
Chad Allen
Rick Ankiel
David Bell
Mark Bell
Gary Bennett
Marvin Bernard
Larry Bigbie
Barry Bonds
Ricky Bones
Kevin Brown
Paul Byrd
Alex Cabrera
Jose Canseco
Ken Caminiti
Mike Carreon
Jason Christiansen
Howie Clark
Roger Clemens
Paxton Crawford
Jack Cust
Chris Donnells
Brendan Donnely
Lenny Dykstra
Bobby Estalella
Matt Franco
Ryan Franklin
Eric Gagne
Jay Gibbons
Jason Giambi
Jeremy Giambi
Troy Glaus
Juan Gonzalez
Jason Grimsley
Jose Guillen
Jerry Hairston Jr.
Matt Herges
Phil Hiatt
Glenallen Hill
Darren Holmes
Todd Hundley
Mike Judd
David Justice
Chuck Knoblauch
Tim Laker
Mike Lansing
Paul Lo Duca
Nook Logan
Josias Manzanillo
Gary Matthews Jr.
Mark McGwire
Cody McKay
Kent Merker
Bart Miadich
Hal Morris
Daniel Naulty
Denny Neagle
Rafael Palmeiro
Jim Parque
Andy Pettitte
Adam Piatt
Todd Pratt
Armando Rios
Stephen Randolph
Adam Riggs
Brian Roberts
John Rocker
F.P. Santangelo
Benito Santiago
Gary Sheffield
Scott Schoeneweis
David Segui
Mike Stanton
Ricky Stone
Miguel Tejada
Derrick Turnbow
Ismael Valdez
Randy Velarde
Mo Vaughn
Ron Villone
Fernando Vina
Rondell White
Jeff Williams
Matt Williams
Todd Williams
Steve Woodward
Kevin Young
Gregg Zaun

Go 'Stros!

by Stros Bro on Dec 13, 2007 4:46 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ricky Stone
Ex Astro, not in my first list
Go 'Stros!

by Stros Bro on Dec 13, 2007 7:30 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think my first list is better
It doesn't include every player mentioned in the report, but I think it's a more accurate list of players who are listed for steroid/HGH use.. for example from page 131 of the Mitchell Report.
     In January 2004, the United States Anti-Doping Agency announced that Derrick Turnbow, a pitcher who then played for the Anaheim Angels, failed a drug test administered during training camp for the U.S. Olympic baseball team the previous October. In its announcement, USADA said that Turnbow had tested positive for "a steroid violation, which resulted from taking nandrolone, norandrostenedione or norandrostenediol."251
     Turnbow was subjected to a two-year ban from international competition, but he was not disciplined under the Major League Baseball joint drug program. According to statements by Gene Orza, chief operating officer of the Players Association, Turnbow had tested positive as the result of taking androstenedione, which was not a prohibited substance under the Major League Baseball joint drug program at the time. Orza reportedly said: "Derrick Turnbow did not test positive for a steroid. He tested positive for what the [International Olympic Committee] and others regard as a steroid, but the U.S. government does not."252
So basically, Turnbow did nothing wrong, not even in the eyes of MLB... yet he is being slandered now as a steroid user.
Go 'Stros!

by Stros Bro on Dec 13, 2007 7:20 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HAHAHAHAHAHA
STEPHEN RANDOLPH!?!?!?!?!  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

pause to take a breath

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Wandilicious!!!

by saylinara on Dec 13, 2007 1:34 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yea well..
Struggling career minor leaguer... not surprising..
Go 'Stros!

by Stros Bro on Dec 13, 2007 1:37 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

75 players named
And yes, I manually typed in everyone of them from the list... This list might not be complete(I could have missed a few names), but I assure you, it's pretty damn close.
Go 'Stros!

by Stros Bro on Dec 13, 2007 1:34 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks For The Work
Cortisone shots: Not just for overpaid athletes anymore.

by rastronomicals on Dec 13, 2007 1:41 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And Thank You, Ed Wade
if for nothing else than trading for a steroids user one day before he became devalued in the probe, rather than one day after

That's real good work.

Cortisone shots: Not just for overpaid athletes anymore.

by rastronomicals on Dec 13, 2007 1:43 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Meh
Maybe it's because Bagwell wasn't in the list, or that anyone that I'm really partial to was on the list... but now that it's posted and I've read through the list.. I'm kind of like... well, oh well. :) I mean it sucks that there are this many on the list... but obviously it's not a full list. I heard that they took a voluntary anonymous test a little while back and 5% of the people in that test, tested positive... 5% of people who knew they were taking test for this, tested positive. This list of 75 players... obviously, there is going to be many more that used...
Go 'Stros!

by Stros Bro on Dec 13, 2007 1:47 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tejada may have escaped with only minor injury
If I read the report correctly, several players and books mention Miguel Tejada, but Tejada sticks to his story it was B-12; and the report says they found noting to prove Tejada's explanation was incorrect.

They are suspicious I'm sure.

On the other hand, Roger Clemens, Andy Pettite, Bary Bonds, and the Giambi brothers are hit hard.

I was surprised to see Matt Williams, David Justice and Troy Glaus.  Eric Gagne comes out looking bad.

Keeping Warm During Hot Stove Season

by Joe in Birmingham on Dec 13, 2007 2:01 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I certainly haven't read...
the entire report yet.  But I noticed that there is a copy of a cancelled check for $3200 from Miguel Tejeda in the appendix under a tab labeled information related to players' steroid and/or human growth hormone possession or use.

by clack on Dec 13, 2007 2:08 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There are lots of those
Has checks for lots of players in the report, he's basically just showing some of his proof.
Go 'Stros!

by Stros Bro on Dec 13, 2007 2:14 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I missed the $3200 check reference
Thats a lot of money for B-12 isn't it?

If so, why didn't the report come down harder on him.

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by Joe in Birmingham on Dec 13, 2007 2:19 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm Backpedalling on Tejada
This is the most damning part on Tejada:

[Adam} Piatt had several conversations with Tejada before a transaction occurred. Piatt
admitted he had access to steroids and human growth hormone and agreed to obtain them for
Tejada. Piatt recalled that he provided Tejada with testosterone or Deca-Durabolin, as well as
human growth hormone. Piatt emphasized that he did not know whether Tejada actually used
the substances.
Piatt's bank provided two checks deposited into Piatt's account that had been
written to him from Miguel Tejada. The checks are dated March 21, 2003 and are in the
amounts of $3,100 and $3,200 respectively. Both are included in the Appendix; one is shown

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by Joe in Birmingham on Dec 13, 2007 2:35 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Awesome.
I love Miggy already.
Cortisone shots: Not just for overpaid athletes anymore.

by rastronomicals on Dec 13, 2007 2:49 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Should MLB oust any owners??
What are the chances MLB will demand some MLB owners separate themselves from Baseball (ie - sell their clubs).

Particulary onwers of these clubs:
Mets - Giants - Orioles- Diamondbacks  - Maybe Red Sox,  Yankees & Blue Jays.

Keeping Warm During Hot Stove Season

by Joe in Birmingham on Dec 13, 2007 2:08 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

None?
Cortisone shots: Not just for overpaid athletes anymore.

by rastronomicals on Dec 13, 2007 2:49 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Moneyball:
Identify market inefficiencies in baseball.  Maybe failing to take advantage of steroid use was an unrealized market inefficiency.

by clack on Dec 13, 2007 7:51 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thoughts...
I guess I take issue with any report that has footnotes from Juiced.

As for Tejada... who cares... he's an Astro now.  He may miss the first 15 games on suspension.  He may not.  The culture of baseball was (and maybe still is) screwed up and it shares A LOT of the blame.  Its really a cultural problem.  It was his fault if in fact he actually took steroids (the report really does not prove anything about him... I just read the parts related to him - I suggest everyone do the same before they jump to any conclusions).  

Also, I like that Mitchell said that no one should be punished for being in this report because it is time to look forward.  (Hopefully Selig follows his recommendations)

Finally, I'm very pleased that neither Biggio nor Bagwell were mentioned in the report (although their absence does not equate with innocence either).

by blakemusn on Dec 13, 2007 2:41 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Section about Tejada from the Mitchell Report
Sorry for the lack of structure...
Miguel Tejada Miguel Tejada is a shortstop who has played for two teams in Major League Baseball since 1997, the Oakland Athletics (7 seasons) and Baltimore Orioles (4 seasons). He was the American League Most Valuable Player in 2002. He played in every game from June 2, 2000 until June 21, 2007, the fifth longest streak of consecutive games played in Major League 202 Baseball history. Tejada has played in four All-Star games and was the Most Valuable Player of the 2005 All-Star game. In 2003, Adam Piatt's locker was located next to Tejada's in the Oakland Athletics clubhouse. According to Piatt, Tejada asked specifically if he had any steroids. Piatt believed that Tejada asked him because Piatt was in good shape and generally friendly with him. Piatt had several conversations with Tejada before a transaction occurred. Piatt admitted he had access to steroids and human growth hormone and agreed to obtain them for Tejada. Piatt recalled that he provided Tejada with testosterone or Deca-Durabolin, as well as human growth hormone. Piatt emphasized that he did not know whether Tejada actually used the substances. Piatt's bank provided two checks deposited into Piatt's account that had been written to him from Miguel Tejada. The checks are dated March 21, 2003 and are in the amounts of $3,100 and $3,200 respectively. Both are included in the Appendix; one is shown below. Separately, before our interviews of him, Piatt also spoke with federal agents by telephone. Piatt had his personal lawyer present for this call, as he did in his meetings with me 203 and my investigative staff. The federal agents later advised my staff that Piatt also informed them of Piatt's sales to Tejada during their telephone interview. Radomski recalled receiving a call from Piatt during which he said he needed extra testosterone because "one of the guys wanted some." In a later conversation, Piatt told Radomski that the testosterone was for his teammate, Miguel Tejada. Radomski never spoke, or sold performance enhancing substances, directly to Tejada. Radomski provided this information to me without knowledge that I had spoken to Piatt or that I was otherwise aware of Piatt's alleged sales to Tejada. Similarly, Piatt was unaware of any statements by Radomski on this subject when he was interviewed by my investigative staff. As discussed earlier in this report, Tejada was interviewed as part of a congressional investigation into whether Rafael Palmeiro had lied under oath about his use of performance enhancing substances during a March 17, 2005 congressional committee hearing.408 In that investigation, Palmeiro said he had received injectable, and legal, vitamin B12 from Tejada; Palmeiro said it was possible the vitamin B12 had been tainted and had been the reason for his positive test for steroids. Tejada admitted to investigators that he provided injectable vitamin B12 to Palmeiro and two other unidentified Orioles players during the 2005 season. The congressional report said that the Players Association had tested another vial of vitamin B12 provided by Tejada and it showed no signs of steroids.409 Tejada is also mentioned in two books on the subject. In Juicing the Game, the author Howard Bryant wrote that during the 2002 season, an airport security screener found a syringe in Tejada's briefcase. Tejada reportedly explained that he received a supply of vitamin 408 See supra at 103-06; see also H. Comm. on Gov't Reform, Report on Investigation Into Rafael Palmeiro's March 17, 2005 Testimony Before the Comm. on Gov't Reform, at 6 (109th Cong. 2005) ("Palmeiro Report"). 409 Palmeiro Report at 9-10, 25, 27. 204 B12 from the Dominican Republic that he administered to himself.410 Mickey Morabito, the director of team travel for the Oakland Athletics, confirmed the incident in an interview with my investigative staff. He acknowledged that he did not report the incident to anyone with the club or the Commissioner's Office. In his book Juiced, Jose Canseco wrote that, in 1997, when he and Tejada were teammates on the Athletics, they discussed the use of performance enhancing substances: I started giving him [Tejada] advice about steroids, and he seemed interested in what I was saying. Tejada and I had a secret weapon: We could speak in Spanish, which made it easier to talk about whatever he wanted, even if there were reporters around.411 Tejada denied that he had ever had any discussions with Canseco about steroids. He was further reported to say: "I work very hard to keep in shape and any suggestion that I use steroids, or any banned substance is insulting and not worth discussing further."412 In December 2005, Texas Rangers owner Thomas O. Hicks and general manager Jon Daniels engaged in an email exchange about possible trade discussions. In one email, Daniels stated that he had "some steroids concerns with Tejada," and cited Tejada's decreased productivity over the second half of the 2005 season.413 In order to provide Tejada with information about these allegations and to give him an opportunity to respond, I asked him to meet with me; he declined.
Go 'Stros!

by Stros Bro on Dec 13, 2007 2:47 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

also...
He's mentioned earlier on with regards to the issue of Palmero.  Just use the find function on Acrobat or whatever you are using to read the PDF.  

by blakemusn on Dec 13, 2007 3:01 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Will somebody be listening and taking notes from
Selig's presser?

It'll be interesting to see how this gets handled.  Thatd be a lot of suspensions and a lot of hearings if he started doling out suspensions based on this report.  It seems like Mitchell wasn't looking for that reaction, but rather trying to paint a picture to use as motivation for future action.  I've never really formed a strong opinion about the steroid issue.  It's certainly wrong and I'm disappointed at every name in the report, but I'm not sure what the appropriate action is at this point though.  Who's punished most by a suspension to a player for actions several years ago while they were on a different club?  Maybe I'm just saying that cause I'd hate for us to have just traded for a guy that may be looking at a suspension.  Teams all around the league are in a similar situation where they may be punished for things that didn't happen under their watch.

I don't know.  It'll be interesting to see how all this plays out.  I'm sure it's going to be THE topic of discussion on every blog, web forum, radio talk show, TV sports program, etc. for some time now.  Let the ad nausium begin.

by littlevisigoth on Dec 13, 2007 3:15 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mitchell says he discourages...
penalties and suspensions based on the past steroid use, even though he admits that there are pros and cons to both sides of that argument.  Of course, that doesn't mean Selig will follow that advice, but it does give Selig an "out" if he wants to decline giving any suspensions.

by clack on Dec 13, 2007 3:24 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There are some interesting parts...
specifically about Caminiti.

"It appears that Caminiti began
researching the possibility of using steroids as early as 1993 or 1994, when he discussed the
issue with one of his teammates on the Houston Astros." p. 74

Up to where I've read, the unnamed teammate has still been unnamed.

by TexSkins on Dec 13, 2007 3:53 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd assume the unnmaed teammate was Donnels
from page 191:
Donnels said that his first discussions about anabolic steroids occurred in 1993, when he was playing for the Houston Astros.  Ken Caminiti, who also was then with the Astros, asked Donnels what he knew about steroids, and thereafter they spoke frequently about the subject and conducted their own research.  Caminiti eventually told Donnels that he was going to try steroids; Donnels believes that was the first time Caminiti had tried
them. Donnels felt that using steroids was "not the right thing to do," and he decided against using the drugs then.

by MG(vers. 2) on Dec 13, 2007 5:28 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Touche...
I stopped reading just before that part...

by TexSkins on Dec 13, 2007 6:42 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

FYI - Clemens Denies Claims
Clemens through a prepared statement through his agent denies the claims that he has ever used performance enhancing "steroids". Not sure if that was the word they chose to use(since HGH isn't really steroids), but that was the word used anyways. Pettitte(through a prepared statement by his agent) basically just said that he will not make any statement about this until he talks with his agents/players union etc.
Go 'Stros!

by Stros Bro on Dec 13, 2007 4:30 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

More Aggressive than Mere Denial
Roger Clemen's attorney (or was it his agent) came out in full battle mode, outraged and attacking.

This ought to get interesting.

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by Joe in Birmingham on Dec 13, 2007 5:02 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Garner gets a mention
Similarly, in an article that appeared in early August, days before stories first appeared about Mark McGwire's use of androstenedione, then-Milwaukee Brewers manager Phil Garner told a reporter of his first-hand knowledge of a player's steroid use:

There was one kid, 27, who was cycling steroids, and I asked him, `Do you realize you could need an artificial heart when you're 40 years old?'. . .  He said, `I don't care what happens at 40.  All I want to do is be the biggest, baddest, guy I can be right now.'(229)

In his interview with our investigation, Garner acknowledged that he had known one major league player who used steroids while playing for him, but Garner refused to identify the player because it was more than five years prior to the interview and Garner did not believe it was necessary for this investigation to look that far back in time.

I wonder who the guy he didn't identify was.

As for the rest of the names, I'm just glad Biggio and Bagwell weren't on it. I already figured Tejada was going to be there, so it didn't really change my feelings there. I hated that trade yesterday(and I never get too worked up about trades!) and I still hate it today.

by MG(vers. 2) on Dec 13, 2007 5:13 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was hurt this morning
when Bagwell was tabbed as a user. So much in fact that I didn't listen to anything on the radio, blog, or watch tv until my drive home. When I heard listeners bashing news outlets for wrongly accusing Bagwell it was a huge relief. I always had suspicions, but today is a good day. Not that there may not be a day that his story is revealed.

I am in the assumption that there were 2 or 3 "heads/sources" that got pressed into naming names. And the players that were named are not the only ones there truly are, they just lucked out their "source" was not pressed. And to that aspect the players named were unlucky they were.

Today is a great day for my idol Jeff Bagwell and his little buddy, our beloved Biggs.    

My first mistake was assuming you knew what I was talking about.

by Shamus on Dec 13, 2007 5:31 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm with you.. sorta
I was relieved that Baggy/Biggio were not on the list... but for what it's worth, Sosa wasn't on the list either.  This list is by no means anyone and everyone that has used..  
Go 'Stros!

by Stros Bro on Dec 13, 2007 6:17 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why wasn't this guy on the list?
I think that will be one of the threads running tomorrow.

Like, Why wasn't Sammy Sosa on the list?

 Why wasn't Nomar Garciappara on the list?

or Why wasn't Jason Varitek on the list?

etc

Keeping Warm During Hot Stove Season

by Joe in Birmingham on Dec 13, 2007 5:55 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

On ESPN this evening I heard . . .
Why wasn't Mark McGwire on the list?
Keeping Warm During Hot Stove Season

by Joe in Birmingham on Dec 13, 2007 9:22 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Todd Jones' 1998 Column
Pitcher Todd Jones writes a weekly newspaper column. The Birmingham News Sunday printed a column Todd Jones wrote in 1998 (almost a dwecade ago). It's worth reading so here it is:

USING DRUGS SAME AS DEAL WITH DEVIL

Published Sunday,May 31, 1998

DETROIT - Greetings, Birmingham. Hope all is well.

We finally had a good road trip. Even though we were 4-4 on it, we played well. That sounds stupid, but we must make baby steps around here.

This week's topic is a tough one to write. I enjoy the game so much that it hurts me to defame it, but as a somewhat member of the media, I believe it is my job to tell you the stuff that is uncomfortable for me as a player. I'm talking today about the use and abuse of steroids and uppers. In my time in the big leagues, I've never seen anyone take steroids. But I have seen teammates come to spring training 40 pounds heavier, then tell me: "Not me, man, I used creatine." Yeah, right! I don't know the exact number, but probably two or three players on every team take Ãroids.

More position players take them than pitchers. Steroids, I don't think, help arm speed.

Steroids have been around for a while. The short-term rewards for using steroids are huge, but the longterm effect can kill you.

A lot of the players who use steroids probably started in the minors. It probably happened like this: A player decides during the winter that his career isn't where he thinks it should be. He saw his buddy who is on Ãroids hit 30 homers in the minors and get to the show. He decides that getting to the majors is worth the risk.

His bench press goes up 60 pounds. He never feels tired. The next spring training, this kid comes in 45 pounds heavier and hitting bombs. Balls he hit to the warning track two years ago now leave the park. No one in the organization says one thing. You better believe the organization suspects something, but they don't say a word because this kid can help their team.

That year, this kid stays in the majors and hits 25 homers. The next winter he signs a five-year, $16 million deal and is financially set for the rest of his life.

Do you see the deal he has made with the devil? What would you do?

Uppers - also called greenies, beans, speed - are used far more than Ãroids. A lot of players do it. On some teams, I bet more than half do.

Let me paint you this picture: You have a night game in Los Angeles that goes extra innings. After the game you get on a plane bound for Chicago, where you have a doubleheader. You come in dragging. You're sore; you didn't sleep, and your buddy has these greenies. He says to try one because they help you concentrate and "lock you in." You take two and go out and play.

That night, you go 4-for-5 with two homers or throw eight innings of shutout ball. Then you wonder, "Is it me or did these really help?"

Because you are superstitious, you do it the next night. You play well again and decide to keep it going.

There is only one problem: You can't sleep at night because you are so worked up. So what do you do? You have a drink to help you sleep. You wake up the next day and feel sluggish, so you bean up again. Then you can't sleep, so you drink . . . Get the picture?

Ashamedly, I must admit I've used greenies twice. I didn't like the way it felt. I felt nervous and giddy. I get that way naturally, so I don't use them now.

Things go on in baseball that I'm not proud of. Remember this: These are not bad people who use steroids and uppers - just people making bad decisions.

From behind the seams, Todd Jones

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by Joe in Birmingham on Dec 17, 2007 12:02 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

good read
thanks
My first mistake was assuming you knew what I was talking about.

by Shamus on Dec 17, 2007 10:13 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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