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Matchup/Diary NLCS Game Five vs. Cardinals

 

Chris Carpenter   Andy Pettitte
2 - 0, 1.00   
0.86 WHIP  
1 - 1, 5.54
1.23 WHIP

Word is, that Andy Pettitte's bruised right knee has healed, and I'm sure he's going to pitch very well tonight.

But could this team possibly provide us with a laugher, a 6 - 2 or 8 - 3 runaway that'll have the Astros faithful dancing in the aisles by the fifth inning? Just once?

How about an Ensberg longball, or back-to-back-to-back doubles? How about an early three-run lead?

It don't hurt to ask, way I figure.

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Pre Game
Alright, let's win a pennant!

by rastronomicals on Oct 17, 2005 7:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What would work here
"Hell yeah!" or "damn right," or even "about time!", something like that.

Let's win a pennant!

by rastronomicals on Oct 17, 2005 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Additionally,
It's Our Turn!
"It's better to throw a theoretically poorer pitch wholeheartedly, than to throw the so-called right pitch with a feeling of doubt." -- Sandy Koufax

by Astro Annie on Oct 17, 2005 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really
After all the LaRuss-Cuzzi-Edmonds bullshit that harshed my buzz so much yesterday, I feel so very positive about this game.

'Stros put a hurting on Carpenter.  I don't know about an eight-run hurting--that might be wishing for too much--but I got a feeling Carp takes the loss this evening.

by rastronomicals on Oct 17, 2005 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm glad you are...
because i'm so very nervous right now, with all the talk of 'destiny' and 'it's our turn'.

by brian in cali on Oct 17, 2005 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you're watching the Fox pregame
That Sprint commercial with the bigwig sitting high up in his ivory tower. . .it'd be much funnier if when the toadie says, "so you're sticking it to yourself," the bigwig would say, "you're fired."

Ha!

by rastronomicals on Oct 17, 2005 7:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Pettitte's Knee
The knee is still swollen.  On the opening shot, where they showed him standing there, you could see a big welt sticking out off the knee and it was pretty noticeable.  Not sure how good this is.  

by saylinara on Oct 17, 2005 7:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Top of the First
Certainly doesn't seem like Eckstein has only two hits. . . .

Scary there, but Pujols very surprsingly pops up on the first pitch he sees.  What's up with that?

Sanders == dangerous again, in facing Pettitte.

And Andy rolls out of it.  

by rastronomicals on Oct 17, 2005 7:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Lamb Needs better wheels
LiveStrong and wear Yellow panties.

by MrsBagwellsBoyToy on Oct 17, 2005 7:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bottom of the First
Cardinals tight?  Grudzy may or may not have caught Biggio, but he shouldn't have dropped the ball .

Carpenter flat out challenged Berkman not once but twice, and got away with it, although he ended up walking him.

Coming off a game where he hit the ball pretty well, the last thing you want to see from Ensberg is that excuse me thing.

Lamb nearly got it done.  

by rastronomicals on Oct 17, 2005 7:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Top of the Second
Both pitchers look vulnerable--which might not be to Houston's advantage.

Great at bat by Molina.  Can we agree that Taveras catches that?

Luna looked silly neither committing nor stopping himself on the high fastball.

Remember that game against Backe where Carpenter had two doubles?

Me neither.

by rastronomicals on Oct 17, 2005 8:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Reggie is playing a soft Leftfield
Reminds me of how he use to play rightfield with AZ and SFG.  He plays very soft.  Much the likes of Luis Gonzalez.
LiveStrong and wear Yellow panties.

by MrsBagwellsBoyToy on Oct 17, 2005 8:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Fox Sports with Bob Brenly
He is showing off his rookie manager WS ring to the audience.  Very appropos for the situation.
LiveStrong and wear Yellow panties.

by MrsBagwellsBoyToy on Oct 17, 2005 8:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bottom of the Second
Can't figure out who's gonna have an acceptable day at the plate from game to game.  yesterday Ausmus strikes out three times, so of course he hits a double as soon as he comes up tonight.

Go figure.

Everett had a couple decnt at bats later on yesterday, so he looks terrible striking out.

Pettitte did what he could, but no dice.

It appeared to have slipped away when Biggio wnet to 0 - 2.  He hit .191 with an 0 - 2 count this year.

Not that it's a gamebreaker or anything, but it's a lot easier to play this game having gotten the run than if you hadn't.

by rastronomicals on Oct 17, 2005 8:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Top of the Third
Pettitte was like a balloon that had been deflated after Poncino didn't ring up Walker.  At no point did it look like he had Grudzy and I was not surprised at allby the RBIs off his bat.

Pettitte's been gutsy--getting Pujols twice--but has allowed way too many baserunners.

Oh and have I mentioned that I f%^&ing hate David Eckstein?

by rastronomicals on Oct 17, 2005 8:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bottom of the Third
Nothing even remotely on the radar screen there.

Ensberg is back into one of his 'I'm having trouble distinguishing a ball from a strike' periods.

I don't know how much to expect from Pettitte here.  

by rastronomicals on Oct 17, 2005 8:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Pettite's Performance
Much as I hate to say it, I say pull Pettitte after this inning, especially if his slot comes up to bat.  Zeke's a good reliever and deserves some work in a game.  If Zeke can pull us through two with keeping them at two, we'd be good.

by saylinara on Oct 17, 2005 8:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We need a quick inning
Build some confidence

by Brad on Oct 17, 2005 8:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Top of the Fourth
Nice catch by Lane on the Carpenter ball.  That he hit it where he did, though, is troublesome.

Side retired, you hyperactive little freak!

by rastronomicals on Oct 17, 2005 8:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bottom of the Fourth
Knock me over with a feather:  Everett watches a pitch go right down broadway then comesback with a base hit the other way.

No pinch-hitter for Pettitte from Mr. Not-so-Outside the Box.

The Biggio liner reinforces what I had been thinking:

The Astros WILL score more runs in this game.

But can we keep it close?

by rastronomicals on Oct 17, 2005 9:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Fourth inning
Eh.  Why would you let Pettitte bat in that position?  I know he's a bunter but geeze... A base hit would have been a lot more beneficial, because it would have kept us from getting that second out.

by saylinara on Oct 17, 2005 9:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Can't really go with that
What did he hit .090 or something?  
Pettitte is a lot less likely to get a hit than Biggio, and if Pettitte fails, Bggio only drives in one.

I was cool with that.

by rastronomicals on Oct 17, 2005 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I mean
they shoulda pinch-hit, but once you decide to leave Pettitte in--which was wrong-- you bunt.

by rastronomicals on Oct 17, 2005 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pettitte hitting
Yeah, I know that.  I was grumbling about the lack of pinch-hit.

And this is something that I don't understand.  Backe's on a roll yesterday and Garner pulls him.  Pettitte is just praying for anyone to step up defensively, and you can see it on his face, and Garner lets him stay.  

by saylinara on Oct 17, 2005 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pettitte hitting
Yeah, I saw that you'd meant what I  did after I posted.  No offense intended.  

Pettitte pitching to the top of the order in the seventh is going to cost us.  Oh and there's an error, the one Pettitte couldn't bear.

by rastronomicals on Oct 17, 2005 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hickey. . .
has come on the air twice that I've seen this series and just lied through his teeth.

The first time when he said that Clemens' hammy wasn't hurting in Game Three, and just now that Pettitte wasn't hurting either.

by rastronomicals on Oct 17, 2005 9:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hickey
Especially when you can see Pettitte's knee getting bigger and bigger throughout the procession of the game.  

by saylinara on Oct 17, 2005 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Top of the Fifth
Pettitte works through, but yeah what's the thing with the stolen bases?

I can't see a hitch or a telltale, but it's gotta have something to do with the way he's favoring the good leg.  Can anyone see it?

Walker may not have much left, but he's got his smarts and his discipline.  He's had good at bats over the last ten or so.  

by rastronomicals on Oct 17, 2005 9:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bottom of the Fifth
OK.  I'll say it:

Ensberg is bringing nothing, nada, to the table offensively.  He's not even missing close.

by rastronomicals on Oct 17, 2005 9:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Top of the Sixth
We got Pettitte through six, and Garner can take credit for that particular piece of luck all he wants.

This is becoming more and more the type of game the Astros have won.  Carp's at 83 through five, and I'm pretty sure that means he won't be pitching a complete game.

Not that we haven't had swings on him.  They just haven't been back-to-back-to-back.

Go Astros!!!

by rastronomicals on Oct 17, 2005 9:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bottom of the Sixth
Maybe it's true, what they say.

Maybe the Astros hitters just aren't that good.

'Cause Carpenter's sure as f&*# been hittable.

by rastronomicals on Oct 17, 2005 9:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Lamb at first
That's two outs now that Lamb missed that Berkman would have made, because Berkman wouldn't have had to jump for Everett's throw.  Not sure how that's going to affect the game.

by saylinara on Oct 17, 2005 9:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Top of the Seventh
Something's going our way when we commit two errors in the inning after we kept Pettitte in, and the Cards STILL don't score.
Cardinals may very well end this game with two runs.  Can the Astros get to three?

by rastronomicals on Oct 17, 2005 9:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

LANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by rastronomicals on Oct 17, 2005 10:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Lance!!!
Is it good or bad that I've already started whimpering?  I <3 Lance.

by saylinara on Oct 17, 2005 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bottom of the Seventh
The more I think about Ensberg getting thrown out at second, the more I forgive him, and I'm almost at the 40 or 50% point.
After all, the Cards were a little discombobulated at that point, and Berkman having just homered doesn't make us any better with RISP.  
So I can kinda sorta see it.  Force them to make the play.  

You did of course notice that one of the runs was unearned?

Astros worked out of their error, Cardinals did not.

by rastronomicals on Oct 17, 2005 10:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bottom of the Eighth
Extra runs are always good.

But we won't need them.

by rastronomicals on Oct 17, 2005 10:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Fucking Lidge
Hit to Eckstein I can understand.  Walk to Edmonds, Never Forgive him, if we don't get there.

Ever.

by rastronomicals on Oct 17, 2005 10:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Wind has been let out of the sails
Lights Up on Lidge!
LiveStrong and wear Yellow panties.

by MrsBagwellsBoyToy on Oct 17, 2005 10:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

When
shit like this happens, you wonder why you subject yurself at all.

by rastronomicals on Oct 17, 2005 10:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Scenerio same as last year
Stros up 3 to 2 and heading for Arch City.

Reminds me of BK Neidenfurer Kim during the WS games 4 and 5 2001.

LiveStrong and wear Yellow panties.

by MrsBagwellsBoyToy on Oct 17, 2005 10:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for letting me post.
I hope the Stros can close it out in St. Louie on Wednesday.

The ghost of Jack Clark has resurfaced from St. Louie.

LiveStrong and wear Yellow panties.

by MrsBagwellsBoyToy on Oct 17, 2005 10:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You're certainly welcome
I hope the Stros can close it out in St. Louie on Wednesday.

I hope to see your posts them too, as well as from everyone else who was kind enough to drop by for our victory party gone awry.

Let's try again on Wednesday, with a starting pitcher who's not ailing, and a closer named Wheeler.

by rastronomicals on Oct 17, 2005 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's not over yet...
as heartbreaking as that was (i think i want to cry over here), the 'stros are still in a good position.  roy o and roger.  win 1 out of 2 and call it a series.

but boy did that suck.

by brian in cali on Oct 17, 2005 11:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes it did.
I thank whatever higher power you subscribe to that it is not me playing these games, 'cause I would be so demoralized and paralyzed by this agonizing loss that I would roll over and play dead in my grief.

But these are professionals, even if most of 'em don't hit all that well, and they will give maximum effort Wednesday no matter what Pujols did tonight, and Roy Oz is a fucking bulldog, and if he needs to go nine to win Wednesday, I am sure that's what he'll do.

by rastronomicals on Oct 17, 2005 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hi, Cubs fan here.
In 2003 NLCS with a 3-2 lead, I thought we were in good shape with Wood and Prior to take on the Marlins, and -- Hell...we were headed back to Chicago.

Good luck against Satan's Minions. They have sold their soul -- that's tough to go up against.

by Smooth on Oct 17, 2005 11:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Kinda sorta.
But the Bartman game was game six.

And the Astros are counting on Game Six

Not sure what you mean about the sold their soul thing, though.

by rastronomicals on Oct 17, 2005 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was counting on Game 6, too.
Again-- The Cards are Satan's Spawn. Evil incarnate. That's what I mean.

by Smooth on Oct 18, 2005 12:21 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Game 6
I hope we get it in Game 6, because I feel shaky giving it to Clemens in Game 7.  The Rocket or not, deeply supressed memories of Game 7 in 2004 come rushing back in my mind.

by saylinara on Oct 18, 2005 3:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Three main things in the loss
I found three disturbing things in this loss, none of which have to do with Lidge, because I think I've gotten over my initial anger with him.
  1. The non-pinch-hitting for Andy at the bottom of the fourth.  With the position you put yourself in with him bunting, the only way a run could score from third on Biggio's bat was if it got out of the infield.  If we had our two chances at getting a ball out of the infield, even with the runner still at second, it could have yielded a more favorable outcome, especially with the heart of the order coming up.  Furthermore, we had two starters-converted-relievers sitting in the pen with nothing to do, one who is quite good at relief opportunities.  I know Garner figured there would be more chances to score, but with the club hitting with RISP like it had, he just had to take the chance with a pinch hitter.
  2. Moe's inability to connect the bat with the ball.  The one opportunity he did get, he got picked off at second.  Granted, had Lance not just hit the home run, he stays at first.  But other then that, there were many other opportunities for him to break the game wide open for the Astros to win, Pujols homer or not.
  3. Garner just plain got cocky.  He knew with his bullpen the game was in the bag.  If he had anyone left on the bench who could play solid outfield, I guarantee you Willy would not have seen his AB.  And then not telling Willy to bunt softly up the third base side, that's just weak.  If Willy had gotten on base with his nice, tailor made, infield hit, Berkman could have batted against Izzy.  And doesn't Berkman have some rediculous batting average against Izzy?  Lastly, why in the world did he let Vizcaino hit?  I know he was saving Bagwell for that "special moment," but there is something known as keeping your player on the bench too long.  I know Baggie wants to get to a World Series so badly, he probably could have hit a cheapie on the first pitch he saw on pure emotion alone at that point.  Then if he didn't at least get on base, at least Vizzy could hit for Willy and Lance could move back into the outfield while Vizzy plays first, if extra innings should occur at that point.
What did us in the most this game was management, plain and simple.  We had the chances to break it open, but the decisions to get there had to have been made by Garner.  He even could have told Lidge to just walk Pujols, because even if Sanders got a ball to the outfield, only two runs would have scored on a cleanly fielded ball.

by saylinara on Oct 18, 2005 5:00 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Call and Response
He even could have told Lidge to just walk Pujols, because even if Sanders got a ball to the outfield, only two runs would have scored on a cleanly fielded ball.

Bingo.  My fiancĂ© said in real time that Garner should walk Pujols, and I told her no, they'd never put the winning run on base.

So I wouldn't have done it, but then again, I don't get paid the big bucks.

The more I think about it, she was right.  The WPA thing says you double your chances of losing from 7.5% to 15% by going from 1st and 2nd with two out  to the bases loaded, but the WPA software doesn't know anything about facing the best hitter in the game.  At that point it's damage control:  who can hurt you least.

Garner had the chance to outmaneuver LaRussa the way LaRussa once had the opportunity to outmaneuver Lasorda:  I'd always thought LaRussa should have had Eck walk Kirk Gibson.  Tying run is still at second, and you make Lasorda use a pinch-runner.  Plus Sax is just a little less dangerous than Gibson.

No pinch-runner here, but you diminish the Cardinal advantage in bypassing their most dangerous hitter.  And it's almost crticism proof--unless Sanders triples.  Because if Sanders homers with the bases loaded in that alternate universe which should have been,  the fans and the media would certainly understand that Pujols would have done the same.

I would have.

Had I been watching as Lidge put Pujols on, at first I would have been like, "No.  You can't do that."  But as it sank in, I would have seen the logic.

Another thing you could try was to hand Wheeler the ball for the second consecutive inning.  Don't tell me you weren't worried about Lidge after yesterday's luckfest in the ninth.  So why wasn't Garner worried?

Well, I'm sure he was, but I won't blame Phil for the "tyranny of the closer," where you have to use a recently ineffective pitcher in a critical position, because otherwise you'd hurt his precious feelings, or whatever.  That's just the state of the game, by far the most frustrating thing about it for me, and I can't expect Phil Garner to change that in one NLCS contest.

But in an isolated perfect world, unencumbered by all the baggage, using Wheeler (who threw 4 pitches in the eighth, right?) to pitch the ninth is at least as defensible as walking Pujols.

Which, of course, is what they should have done.

I am, by the way, not over my anger with Lidge at all.  And it's for that reason that the non-pinch hit in the fourth doesn't bother me at all.  I disagreed with the move at the time, but the Astros got away with it, pure and simple.  They had a two run lead with 2 strikes to go.  I can imagine plenty of scenarios where Astacio gives up runs, and the fact is, although I thought it was fait accompli, Pettitte didn't.

Criticize Ensberg?  Sure.  Absolutely.  Everett had better at bats last night.   The Pettitte at bat in the fourth was better than one of Ensberg's strikeouts.  Our MVP has hit one homer in the last month.

by rastronomicals on Oct 18, 2005 5:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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