Handicap the 25 Man
Guaranteed:
Due to their guaranteed salaries, these players, if healthy, are virtually guaranteed to be on the 25 man roster on opening day: Snyder, Lee, Lowrie, Cust, Q, Wandy, Myers, Happ, and Lyon
Based on 2011 performance, Lopez, Downs and Norris are guaranteed roster spots as well.
So after slotting in the players whose positions are "guaranteed" (a total of 12 spots), we're left with 12 open spots: 2B, 3B, RF, CF, LF, 2 bench spots, 1 SP, and 5 RP spots. Let's take it position by position:
2B: Based on what we've seen, unless he tanks, Altuve is going to be the 2B. The only way he doesn't make the roster is if he plays poorly in ST AND multiple infielders make a strong case, giving the decision makers the idea to move Altuve to AAA and put Downs at 2B, opening up another bench spot.
3B: Chris Johnson, Brett Wallace, and Jimmy Paredes are the primary contenders for this position. It's not inconceivable that Marwin Gonzalez plays out of his mind, making a case for moving him to starting SS and Lowrie to 3B, or that Downs makes a case for starting 3B. I think that Johnson enters ST in the lead, if for no other reason than that he has nothing left to gain from being sent down. Paredes, at only 23, is young enough and has a high enough ceiling that AAA could really help him, and Wallace could use AAA to find his power (and possibly work on playing multiple positions). This will be the funnest battle to watch over the next month, because the starting 3B job is very likely to be decided by who performs the best out of CJ, Wally, and Paredes.
RF: I think Bogusevic is the overwhelming favorite, based on his 2011 performance, his overall trajectory, and the fact that he doesn't have any options remaining, so he can't be sent down without passing through waivers, which I think a team would take him. Unless he plays really poorly, he'll be at least part of a platoon in RF.
CF: Jordan Schafer has to enter as the favorite here as well, based on the fact that he is also out of options and would be unlikely to pass through waivers. Even if he plays poorly in spring, he's very likely to make the roster and be at worst a bench outfielder and defensive replacement.
LF: Based on what we've been told and his 2011 performance, JD Martinez is the overwhelming favorite here. At this point for him not to make the team, he'd have to have an awful spring combined with a tremendous spring by a couple of other players. He does have options remaining.
Bench: Here's where it gets dicey. There are 2 spots here, and traditionally 1 would be filled by a backup SS/IF with the other going to a backup CF/OF. In that case, the frontrunners would be Marwin Gonzalez and Jason Bourgeois, respectively. As a Rule 5 pick, Gonzalez must stay on the 25 man or be sent back to the Cubs. Bourgeois had a very good 2011 and has proven to be a viable 4th OF and excellent basestealer. That said, there are endless possibilities and options. Assuming Altuve, and CJ are your 2B/3B, and Downs is your 1st bench IF, the list includes Wallace, Paredes, Shuck, F Mart, Castro (if healthy), Ruggiano, Buck, Barnes, Goebbert, Bixler, Sanchez, Hernandez, Snyder, Thurston, and Moore. The only position players I don't feel have any chance to make the roster are Corporan, Springer, DeShields, Villar, and Singleton.
SP: Like 3B, the 5th starter job will be fun to watch. In my opinion, the out-of-options Harrell and Sosa enter as the leaders, but they'll still have to pitch very well to earn the job. Many people are listing Livan Hernandez as the frontrunner, but I don't see it. The 40 man is full and there really aren't any players I think Houston is ready to cut loose to make room for a 37 year old. If Harrell/Sosa falter, the pecking order I would list right now would be Kyle Weiland, Aneury Rodriguez, and Jordan Lyles being given 1st dibs, then Hernandez and Zack Duke, followed by Xavier Cedeno and Paul Clemens as extreme long shots. Harrell, Sosa, Weiland, and Aneury have a chance to earn a relief role if they can't lock down the 5th starter spot, although I think all of those players are likely to be kept as starters in AAA in that case.
RPs: Another place where a lot can happen. You have to think David Carpenter has a pretty strong case for a roster spot due to his profile and 2011 #'s. Rhiner Cruz, the other Rule 5 pick, has to stay on the 25 man or be sent back to his former team, but I think he'll have to put up a solid performance to avoid that fate. He's got the heat so it's certainly possible. 4 pitchers put up good #'s in 2011 and deserve a longer than normal look in spring: Juan Abreu, Fernando Rodriguez, Enerio Del Rosario, and Sergio Escalona. The bullpen will feature at least 1 lefty, and Wesley Wright is out of options, so he may be the leader for the LOOGY role. Others in the mix include Fernando Abad, Arcenio Leon, Jorge De Leon, Henry Villar, Lance Pendleton, and Jose Valdez.
For me, this will be a very exciting spring, and I hope the decisions are tough because of too many players doing well.
Here's my prediction:
CF Schafer
2B Altuve
LF Martinez
1B Lee
RF Bogusevic
3B Johnson
SS Lowrie
C Snyder
Bench: Cust, Downs, Q, Marwin, Bourgeois
Rotation: Wandy, Norris, Myers, Happ, Sosa
Bullpen: Harrell, Wright, Cruz, Abreu, Carpenter, Lopez, Lyon
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I think your prediction is pretty accurate. A part of me would like to see Wallace go nuts in spring, provide passable defense, and earn the third base job instead of Johnson, but I have my doubts. I agreethat it seems to be looking less likely that Paredes is the guy, but if he has a great spring and the other two falter then you never know.
As far as the rotation goes, I would think that Hernandez would have the edge at this point, but being a non roster invitee and spring performance will probably play a big factor. I just can’t see Sosa as a starter long term unless he develops more weapons.
The bullpen looked like a decent projection, and if Harrell doesn’t start, which I think is likely, then I would like to see him in the pen. He could take over EDR’s role as the groundball specialist. Escalona had a good year last year so I would think he has the edge over Wright or Cedeno, but since Wright is out of options maybe that changes things.
by conroestro on Feb 15, 2012 3:29 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I think either Harrell or Sosa could be tried in the bullpen. Duke and Happ are also possible lefty candidates for the bullpen, depending on how the rotation competition is going. I tend to think that Livan Hernandez will get the No. 5 apot, unless a young pitcher like Lyles or Weiland just dominate in the spring and force themselves on the roster. (That’s assuming Hernandez doesn’t crater in the spring.) I just see too much talk by Luhnow about Hernandez helping the young pitchers and such, that I think he has been signed for exactly this reason, with the thought that Lyles will have to force his way into the rotation.
I agree in regards to Hernandez. I would hate to see the Astros lose Harrell though, so I hope they find a spot for him somewhere. Moreso than Harrell.
by conroestro on Feb 15, 2012 3:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Moreso than Sosa is what I meant to say.
by conroestro on Feb 15, 2012 3:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Btw, I hope both make the team, somehow.
I like both of them.
I LOVE THE ASTROS. Now lets win something!
Im not doubting you at all, but I haven’t read that yet. Do you know where you saw it.
by conroestro on Feb 15, 2012 4:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Nevermind, I found it, the translated link is below
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://www.elnuevoherald.com/2012/02/11/1125443/no-piensa-en-el-retiro.html&ei=twg8T-mxKqTc0QHWo8XWCw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CCoQ7gEwAQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dlivan%2Bhernandez%2Bel%2Bnuevo%2Bherald%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1656%26bih%3D885%26prmd%3Dimvnsob
Pretty interesting there.
by conroestro on Feb 15, 2012 4:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Sorry, link didnt work.
http://www.astroscounty.com/2012/02/livan-hernandez-is-in-some-financial.html?m=1
Astroscounty’s link works so use that one.
The financial trouble for Hernandez is interesting as well.
by conroestro on Feb 15, 2012 4:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ya I know. He's been around forever. I really can't believe he was guaranteed a spot.
I LOVE THE ASTROS. Now lets win something!
by ccislanders on Feb 15, 2012 5:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe they straight up told him about a pending trade. That’s the only way that I could see them guaranteeing Livan a rotation spot.
by Snake Diggity on Feb 15, 2012 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
Astrosdaily had an article among their links indicating that the creditor wants to garnish Hernandez’s wages. Good luck with that, since Texas is one of few places that doesn’t allow wage garnishment for ordinary debts. Maybe the Astros have found a new market inefficiency.
There you go. They need to hire an accountant to be scouting players financial ineptitude.
I am an auditor, and would be up for the task if you got any ideas Mr. Luhnow.
by conroestro on Feb 16, 2012 7:55 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
He's not guaranteed a spot
I took that article as Hernandez is saying he is guaranteeing that he will be in the rotation since he now has this financial problem he has to deal with and he can’t stand to be cut or played in the minors. He’ll probably be working hard this spring.
Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is probably the reason why so few engage in it. - Henry Ford
I interpreted differently mainly because he kept saying that he can’t get into the details but he will be in the rotation.
by conroestro on Feb 15, 2012 6:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
same here
I LOVE THE ASTROS. Now lets win something!
by ccislanders on Feb 15, 2012 7:50 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Probably something in between those interpretations. The Astros may have told him that he had a very good chance at getting the rotation spot or something like that (leading him to say that he can’t get into details). I am guessing that he was told something short of an actual guarantee, but he was told enough to feel like he would win it. You may recall that Livan was infusive in his praise for the Astros having so much confidence in him. That, in the context of his financial troubles, may explain his thankful words.
Question
What do you think the Astros will do if both Johnson and Wallace have a great spring training?
If that happened, they'd both make the team. Possible outcomes in that scenario:
1. Downs becomes the backup SS, Marwin released
2. Only 4 OF kept on roster (not including Lee)
3. Altuve sent to AAA, Downs becomes 2B
4. Only 11 pitchers kept on roster
5. Lee to LF
6. A trade involving 1 player (Lee, Wally, CJ, Downs, etc)
by Snake Diggity on Feb 15, 2012 5:00 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
I think Marwin would be released or Lee to LF would happen. Lets say they do move Lee to Left who would get RF Bogusevic or Martinez?
I think you are right probably Martinez more likely than a platoon.. How about center what if Schafer sucks it up in spring? I’d put Bogey at CF and Platoon with Bourgeois.
A different way of looking at it:
Position: Player- odds of making roster at that spot if healthy
C(2): Snyder 90%, Q 70%, Castro 39%, Corporan 1%
1B: Lee 94%, Wallace 5%, Singleton 1%
2B: Altuve 80%, Downs 19%, DeShields 1%
SS(2): Lowrie 95%, Marwin 55%, Sanchez 35%, Bixler 14%, Villar 1%
3B(2): Johnson 45%, Wallace 40%, Paredes 35%, Downs 70%, Hernandez 10%
OF(5): Martinez 80%, Cust 80%, Schafer 70%, Bogusevic 70%, Bourgeois 60%, Shuck 35%, F Mart 25%, Ruggiano 20%, Buck 20%, Snyder 10%, Thurston 9%, Lee 6%, Moore 5%, Barnes 5%, Goebbert 4%, Springer 1%
SP(5): Wandy 100%, Myers 100%, Norris 100%, Happ 60%, Harrell 20%, Sosa 20%, Weiland 15%, Aneury 10%, Lyles 15%, Clemens 5%, Livan 30%, Duke 20%, Cedeno 5%
RP(7): Lyon 100%, Lopez 100%, Carpenter 70%, Abreu 50%, Cruz 50%, Wright 50%, Sosa 30%, Harrell 30%, F Rod 50%, EDR 40%, Escalona 30%, Abad 20%, Weiland 10%, Aneury 10%, Leon 5%, De Leon 4%, Clemens 1%, Livan 15%, Duke 10%, Cedeno 10%, Villar 5%, Pendleton 5%, Valdez 5%
Cust
“Due to their guaranteed salaries, these players, if healthy, are virtually guaranteed to be on the 25 man roster on opening day: Snyder, Lee, Lowrie, Cust, Q, Wandy, Myers, Happ, and Lyon”
I’m pretty sure that Cust’s contract was reported as a non-guaranteed $600K. I agree that he’ll probably make the 25 man roster, but I don’t think it’s in any way guaranteed(the contract or the roster spot).
Well I am not going to go as far as nameing starters but this is my 25 man
Pitchers
Wandy Rodriguez
J.A Happ
Brett Myers
Bud Norris
Livan Hernandez
Brandon Lyon
Wilton Lopez
David Carpenter
Rhiner Cruz
Wesley Wright
Sergio Escalona
Lucas Harrell
Position Players:
Carlos Lee 1B/LF
Matt Downs IF
Chris Johnson CIF
Brett Wallace CIF
Jed Lowrie SS
Marwin Gonzalez IF
J.D Martinez LF
Brian Bogusevic RF
Jordan Schaffer CF
Justin Ruggiano OF
Jack Cust COF
Chris Snyder C
Humberto Quintero C
Bourgeois and Schafer are virtual locks to break camp with big team.
They are the only true CFs of the lot (Schafer more so) and Bourgeois is the only respectable major-league-ready CF option at the plate versus a lefty starting pitcher. That said, I fully expect Schafer to flunk out of the majors by June, and Bogusevic will shift over and get the bulk of the time in CF from there on out (he has more range than Shuck).
I think I’d be more likely to cure all forms of cancer in the next twenty minutes than to accurately predict now who the Astros 12 pitchers will be come Opening Day.
I am not sure
how good of a center fielder Schafer is, but Bourgeous is likely below average in center (which is bad considering our park)… I honestly think Ruggiano might be as good of a fielder in center as either of them. Of course I think all three make the team.
by Crzycjunx76 on Feb 15, 2012 11:28 PM CST up reply actions
I know Schafer didn’t grade out terribly well as far as advanced metrics go in his small sample last year, but my eyes tell me that he is above average but clearly a notch or two below a Bourn or similar. Bourgeois probably grades out as a bit below average by current CF standards – he’s still a converted infielder at heart, and what he lacks in instincts and experience probably gets made up for to some extent by his raw speed. I haven’t seen Ruggiano at all. Bogusevic and Shuck are probably a little below Bourgeois defensively in CF simply due to the slower (but still good) foot speed.
For some reason I have a lot of optimism about Schafer
But even if you are down on him you have to admit he’s at least a 4th/5th OF type. His raw tools make him unlikely to “flunk out of the majors”. If Willy Taveras can appear in 670 MLB games then so can Schafer.
http://www.crawfishboxes.com
I think Schafer’s major and minor league numbers over the past 3 seasons (2009-2011) are probably a good predictor of what we should expect from him moving forward. He should hit in the .225 to .245 range with relatively little power while walking about once every 10 plate appearances and stealing about 5 bases for every 100 plate appearances. And I’m not sure that a guy like that is who I want sitting on my bench in an era when I am carrying just 3 or 4 non-catchers on my bench. Back in the days of 10- or 11-man pitching staffs, sure. Now, not so much.
I don’t put much weight on his offensive stats over the last three years because of his injuries. We haven’t really gotten to see how a healthy Schafer can play if he is given substantial playing time in the majors. I tend to lean in the direction of OremLK’s comment. I think he might put offensive numbers similar to the projections for Nyjer Morgan (Bill James: .288, .345, .362, .707; Rotochamps: .281, .343, .378, .721)
Hernandez makes the starting rotation; Happ is demoted. So Wandy, Norris, Lyles, Hernandez, and Clemens are my picks-you could put Harrell or Weiland in for Clemens, but I like Clemens, despite his last name. Happ’s release point is somewhere in Philly, and even though he finished strong last year, I think his time is nearing an end here.
Big rebound year for Johnson, who looks like his swing is back-3b. Lowrie, Altuve, and Lee round it out-Downs on the bench with…I don’t think we want Wallace as a bench player, so I send him down til we can move Lee…but Paredes shouldn’t ride the pine either…so I guess we go with Gonzalez as the last IF bench spot.
Martinez, Schafer, and Bogusevic, no brainer. Bourgeois and…I want Fernando Martinez. Give this kid a chance.

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