Starting Rotation Depth
The Astros finally have the quality young starting pitching depth that they have been lacking for several years. The starting rotations at all levels of the organization look to be drastically improved next season. Do the Astros finally have that good problem to have of having too much starting pitching? You can’t call them the Atlanta Braves yet, but you also can’t ignore the depth that has been stockpiled recently. Guys like Henry Sosa and Lucas Harrell may not end up being everyday starters, but they have definitely proved that they have earned the right to be given a chance and deserve to be in the majors. Below I have worked the rotations from the top down just to see how the rotations will look at the AA level and higher next season.
Houston Astros
If no trades are made this offseason then the 2012 Houston Astros starting rotation would probably look like this:
Scenario 1
1.) Brett Myers
2.) Wandy Rodriguez
3.) Bud Norris
4.) JA Happ
5.) Jordan Lyles
This is seemingly the same rotation that the Astros had for the majority of this season. It’s possible that Lyles or Happ could be replaced with Lucas Harrell or Henry Sosa, but most likely this would be the starting rotation. If Happ rebounds, Myers shows some positive regression, and Lyles improves upon his rookie campaign then this could be a solid rotation. In this scenario the backup options or depth for the big league club are Henry Sosa, Lucas Harrell, Aneury Rodriguez, and Dallas Keuchel. The Astros would have the most quality depth on the big league club with this scenario.
If both Wandy Rodriguez and Brett Myers are traded this offseason then the 2012 starting rotation would probably look like this:
Scenario 2
1.) Bud Norris
2.) JA Happ
3.) Jordan Lyles
4.) Henry Sosa
5.) Lucas Harrell
There’s a good possibility that Wandy Rodriguez would get traded in the offseason, but Myers seems unlikely to be moved. However, this scenario looks at what the rotation would be like if both veterans were to be traded. This rotation would carry far more question marks as JA Happ would still have to rebound, Jordan Lyles is still young and expected to take some lumps, and Lucas Harrell and Henry Sosa are unknown commodities. This rotation would be significantly younger, and would at the very least be interesting to watch. The depth options in this scenario would be Aneury Rodriguez, Dallas Keuchel, Paul Clemens, and Brett Oberholtzer. Given the depth here, if an injury or ineffectiveness were to occur then things could get pretty rough in Houston for the 2012 season. Xavier Cedeno could be another intriguing name to add to this list if the Astros chose to bring him back.
Oklahoma City Redhawks
If scenario 1 plays out, then the RedHawks rotation would look like this:
1.) Henry Sosa
2.) Lucas Harrell
3.) Aneury Rodriguez
4.) Paul Clemens
5.) Brett Oberholtzer / Dallas Keuchel
This would be a solid AAA rotation, but you could make the argument that both Brett Oberholtzer and Dallas Keuchel deserve to be in Oklahoma City’s starting rotation next year. It’s possible that the Astros would start Aneury Rodriguez in AA if they chose not to keep him on the big league club as a reliever, but given that he just spent the year with the Astros it would make more sense for him to be in Oklahoma City.
If scenario 2 plays out, then the RedHawks rotation would look like this:
1.) Aneury Rodriguez
2.) Dallas Keuchel
3.) Paul Clemens
4.) Brett Oberholtzer
5.) Sergio Perez / Jonathan Aristil / Xavier Cedeno / Ross Seaton / Erick Abreu
This would still be a solid rotation for the RedHawks, but it does leave more question marks for the 5th spot in the rotation. This would be a situation where re-signing Xavier Cedeno would definitely pay off.
Corpus Christi Hooks
If scenario 1 plays out, then the Hooks rotation would look like this:
1.) Dallas Keuchel / Aneury Rodriguez
2.) Jarred Cosart
3.) Ross Seaton
4.) Jose Cisnero
5.) Jake Buchanan
In this case both Andrew Robinson and Robert Donovan, 2 guys who are probably deserving of being promoted to the next level and getting out of Lancaster are the odd men out. Dallas Keuchel has succeeded at this level and would probably have nothing left to prove, but with the depth of rotation candidates he would probably be the odd man out of the Oklahoma City rotation.
If scenario 2 plays out then this would be how the rotation would look:
1.) Jared Cosart
2.) Ross Seaton
3.) Jose Cisnero
4.) Jake Buchanan
5.) Andrew Robinson / Robert Donovan
In this case only one of Andrew Robinson or Robert Donovan would be the odd man out. Both have posted very similar numbers this season, and could both make a strong case for the spot.
Overall Depth
Looking at the past rotations at all levels the last couple of years, it is easy to see the improvements made, and that the Astros are on the right path to building depth in their system. I personally would feel more comfortable if Scenario 1 played out given the overall depth, but would probably be more excited to see Scenario 2 take place. The most likely outcome will be that Wandy gets traded and Myers remains on the team. This would mean that the Astros would have 1 of Lucas Harrell or Henry Sosa serving in Oklahoma City’s rotation as depth, and everyone else would get bumped down a spot.
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I think you're giving Dallas Kuechel Way to much credit.
Hes a 4th Starter at best. Even at AAA.
Clemens, Oberholtzer, Sosa and Harrell are all better. I even like Buchanan better than Kuechel. 86 mph pitchers rarely make it in the bigs.
That being said who do we get for Wandy if we trade him? We would probably shoot for a SP, C, or 3B.
Also, just my opinion of course, but I really hate option #1. Myers is not a #1, he’s a #4. I like Wandy and Norris the most out of those but I’d really like to give Harrell a shot over Myers, and Happ.
And let’s hope Lyles comes back strong next year after the idiotic decision to send him to the BP .
by YohannDookeyblue on Sep 4, 2011 5:16 AM CDT reply actions
Keuchel is a #4 at best, but he 86 is the low end of his velocity. So, give him a little more credit.
Sending Lyles to the pen is not idiotic. It’s an effort to limit his innings while still getting ML experience. Do you send him out with a start for one or two innings? No. Shut him down? Possibly, but at least out of then pen he gets some innings here and there to continue to work. That is a very common practice with young pitchers.
I agree with you full heartedly about Keuchel. The only reason I put him ahead of Clemens and Oberholtzer in scenario 2 is because those 2guys are viewed more as prospects and not as depth.
My starting rotation preference would be Bud Norris, Wandy Rodriguez, Brett Myers, JA Happ, and Jordan Lyles. If Wandy is traded I would also love to see Harrell given a shot. He looks like he could be a steal. He has real good stuff.
by conroestro on Sep 4, 2011 10:10 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Harrell has a lot of versatility.
I’m almost certain he will be with the ML club next year. I don’t see him as being in the rotation unless an injury occurs or a pitcher is traded. I see him being a long reliever as well as the guy being brought in from the bullpen to induce a double play, similar to what Mills uses Del Rosario for this year.
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
Astros Pitching Staff 2012:
Locks for starting jobs:
S1: Wandy Rodríguez
S2: Bud Norris
S3: Brett Myers
Uncertainty for final 2 spots, spring training performance could decide these jobs:
J.A. Happ, Lucas Harrell, Jordan Lyles, Henry Sosa, Aneury Rodríguez, and keep in mind potential rule V draftees.
Bullpen options
LOOGY: Wesley Wright, Fernando Abad, Xavier Cedeño
GBP: Lucas Harrell, EDR
LR: Aneury Rodriguez,
MR: Sergio Escalona, David Carpenter, Juan Abreu, Sammy Gervacio,
SU: Fernando Rodriguez, Wílton Lopez
CL: Mark Melancon, Brandon Lyon, Fernando Rodríguez,
Most realistic opening day pitching staff:
S1: Wandy
S2: Norris
S3: Myers
S4: Happ
S5: Sosa
LR: Lucas Harrell
MR: Wesley Wright
MR: David Carpenter
MR: Sergio Escalona
SU: Wilton Lopez
SU: Fernando Rodriguez
CL: Mark Melancon
I have Sosa as the 5th starter because Lyles needs time in the minors to develop his breaking pitches.
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
by BustaPozee on Sep 4, 2011 9:58 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I noticed I didn't include Brandon Lyon anywhere.
It’s possible he’s cut out of spring training, either sent to the minors or another team claims him if he performs poorly in spring training. If his arm is good and he pitches well, he may be a favorite to stick at set-up or closer out of the gate. I’m not sure if his arm was causing his sub-par performances in 2010 & this year, but that remains to be seen when he starts pitching again. If he can come back better than ever he would be a nice surprise.
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
Brandon Lyon
will be led out to the woods during the offseason.
And left there.
by AstroB on Sep 4, 2011 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
LMAO!
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
Not related to SP but interesting article on the Shark
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