Knowing the Unknowable: Jimmy Paredes
Moneyball seems to be on my mind lately. We discussed a lot about the book, the movie and what they all said. I know the sabermetric community gets thrown around here a lot, but for all the fancy statistics we have, there are still things we can't know until we have more information.
I didn't have to try very hard to come up with 10 different things about this team that we just can't know. First up, Jimmy Paredes. Let's run through what we do know about him:
- One of the top prospects in the system, Paredes made a pretty significant jump just by playing in Double-A this season. After 92 games there, he jumped straight to the major leagues for another 45 games.
- He played second base the majority of the time in the minors, but also played third base and even played 39 games at shortstop.
- He had a batting average on balls in play 90 points higher than his batting average. The largest discrepancy he had in the minors was 56 points in 435 plate appearances with the Yankees' Low A affiliate before being traded to Houston in 2010.
- Both in the minors and majors, Paredes showed good speed but not necessarily good baserunning skills.
After the jump, we'll look at what we can't know...
The biggest thing we can't know about Paredes isn't what you think it is. The biggest question mark around him is the quality of his defense.
We can't really trust the limited data we got on him playing in the majors. After all, that data tells us that his range was sub-par and more like Kevin Youkilis. Our eyes will quickly dispute that, which should make us question the statistic itself (especially with all the questions surrounding UZR's use in small samples).
I'm not saying Paredes is a good defender at third, but he's certainly better than Chris Johnson. He still needs to improve in some areas, but that's more from observational data. Or, as it's known around baseball circles, through scouting.
We also don't know how much his speed affects his game. We've got some data on his baserunning, and it's impressive. He probably needs to work on his stealing instincts, but his speed can be an asset for this club long-term. The problem is it may not be an asset in the short-term, as more games and more data are needed to see just where that shakes out. If his problems with being caught stealing played out over a whole season, his baserunning becomes much less valuable, right?
Lastly, we can't know about his bat. I know, the BABiP thing is a huge indicator he'll fall off. I'm not disputing that. We just don't know how much he'll fall off. Because of his speed, I don't see him pulling a Chris Johnson, but it will be much lower than this brief appearance. We also can't know how his power will play over an entire season. Just think back to that triple he hit Tuesday. That was a very well-hit ball. If he had pulled it a bit?
None of his stats and none of the traditional scouting you can do on him will even give a hint at how he'll do next season. That's why the question of whether he should start in the minors is so tricky. He played well enough in a small sample to say the Astros should keep him in the majors and get more data. However, if the traditional scouting says he needs to work on his defense or baserunning, is he better off at Triple-A?
It's a tricky question, and I won't attempt an answer...yet.
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I'm really high on Paredes, but I expect regression next year.
As you mentioned, his BABiP was crazy high this season, plus he’s overly aggressive and needs to refine his approach at the plate, and he needs to work on recognizing breaking pitches better. The curve in the dirt kills him.
Regarding his defense, his range is definitely more limited at 3B than you’d think, and he isn’t a sure-handed as I would like. I can see his defense getting better with a full offseason and Spring Training program. He’s still learning the position and is just scratching the surface of his potential. There is no way I’d want him starting the year in AAA, especially for CJ to be our every day 3B.
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His upside is very high. Of course he will regress quite a bit next season, but his age and tools leave plenty of room to improve. He has the potential to hit 20 HRs, steal 20 bases, and be an above average defender. But he also has the potential to strike out so much that he is nothing more than a utility player.
I agree that the sample size makes the advanced metrics less reliable for Paredes. But I don’t see anything in the results that seem out of line for Paredes. Both UZR and DRS say that Paredes is much better than CJ. Filtering for all MLB 3d baseman with 300 innings, Paredes is 29th for DRS and 30th for UZR/150, while Chris Johnson is the second worst on both metrics (48th of 49). Paredes sometimes makes terrific plays, mostly due to this arm, but his technique is pretty raw, bordering on awkard. His fielding has fallen off somewhat of late. So, I’m not surprised by the defensive metric results. (For what it’s worth, more detailed DRS information says that Paredes is good on balls to his left, but weak on balls to his right and on bunts.) I agree with Boxy that he has good potential to improve, given that he hasn’t played the position long.
by clack on Sep 29, 2011 9:13 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Im also pretty high on Jimmy P
He’s got good defense on the infield and could be pretty valuable at SS if we don’t re-sign Barmes (mainly because we have NOBODY ELSE at SS). In a perfect world, his good speed and strong arm make him a perfect RFer but he’s just too valuable on the infield. I still think its a good idea if he takes the occasional fly ball in the outfield in practice, ya know…just in case. Oh, and he’s got an INCREDIBLE ARM! I like the fact that he’s a switch hitter but I like him, like most switch hitters, more from the left side. The fact that he goes 3-4 one night and then 0-4 the next makes me think he still has a ways to go, but its clear we have something good here.
by Its Gonna Happen on Sep 29, 2011 3:20 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Flash in the pan
Utility player most likely. I just don’t like his swing. It says SLAP HITTER too much for me to say he has the chance to be a starter.
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Say what?! Slap hitter my ASS!
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Sorry...
Who hit that triple to the CF wall the other day?
by Its Gonna Happen on Sep 29, 2011 5:41 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
So Tommy Manzella wasn't a slap hitter because he can hit triples?
Slap hitters can hit triples and doubles too.
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
Manzella never had power and never will. Paredes has power but was not near being
ready to take over everyday at any position in MLB. His progress is behind due to shoulder/arm injuries while in the NYY system which is why he was moved from SS to 2nd. That will affect not only your growing defensively but also your offensive growth. J-Walls was starting to come around some in Corpus in both categories (even after being moved to 3rd to make room for Altuve) before the call up. The FO even said he wasn’t ready when they called him up. He has plenty of power and still has room to grow into his body and gain strength and considering he hasn’t even turned 23 yet he is not anywhere close to his prime yet.
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Who knows. I think he has a little ways to go defensively, and a long ways to go offensively before he’s a good major leaguer, but I think he will be good enough to be a regular. Whether that’s next year or not is still to be determined.
by conroestro on Sep 29, 2011 5:54 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You’re entitled to your opinion, but I’m having trouble seeing how Paredes profiles as a slap hitter. Check out his AA numbers this year. 10 home runs and 23 doubles in 93 games is nothing to sneeze that.
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by Stupendous Man on Sep 29, 2011 8:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That’s also AA. Look at Wallace he’s supposed to have 20 homerun power and he’s been reduced to slap hitting at the major league level.
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by Timothy De Block on Sep 29, 2011 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
There is obviously a difference between numbers put up in AA and the majors. But Paredes’s major league sample size is pretty small, so I’m not comfortable calling him a slap hitter just yet. Wallace is a different story, though.
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by Stupendous Man on Sep 29, 2011 9:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
True about Wallace, but Paredes has more of an uppercut in his swing, Wallace doesnt, and his swing is sorta inside out.
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wants to stop going on homer streaks against the poor Astros....
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by ccislanders on Sep 29, 2011 9:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
look up Nick Punto and Luis Castillo, that is a slap hitter. Jimmy P is not a slap hitter, look up his homerun on August 23. To me, that says enough too me that he is not a slap hitter
If i were Arnold Rothstein id pay Ryan Braun all the money he
wants to stop going on homer streaks against the poor Astros....
am i the only one?
by ccislanders on Sep 29, 2011 8:51 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I couldn't disagree more
His swing from the lefthanded side is often a thing of beauty. He struggles with a few things—repeating his swing mechanics, recognizing pitches, and exercising a patient approach at the plate. But he’s definitely not a slap hitter, his swing shows signs of above average power and he still has more room to fill out in the next couple years.
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Paredes probably should not have been called up this year.
But, its good to see that he held his own after the call up. While he obviously isn’t a natural third baseman, he does bring a combination of speed and power not typically found at the position. The bust potential looks like it might be high with him, but there is now denying his talent.
Starling Marte has been getting a lot of love from prospecters lately, but not Paredes. Personally, I feel that they are extremely similar prospects, even though one is an outfielder.
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by Stupendous Man on Sep 29, 2011 8:38 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
*no denying his talent.
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by Stupendous Man on Sep 29, 2011 8:39 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I like Paredes, and I think everyone agrees that he probably was called up too early. I think he can develop into a plus defender at third base. Although he has only a few months experience at third base, the fact that he is in the top third of all third basemen, according to advanced defensive metrics, indicates that his defense already is adequate to be a starter. Assuming that he can improve his technique at third base, I see no reason that he can’t become a plus defender.
To me the question is his offense. His BABIP has concealed his offensive issues. Plate discipline and pitch recognition will be the keys as to whether he can develop into an adequate offensive player in the infield. Will he produce sufficient offense to be a third baseman, or does his offensive profile relegate him to a second baseman or utility player? I don’t think his offense will be good enough for RF…for CF, maybe.
by clack on Sep 30, 2011 7:40 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
One other positive…I’m impressed by Paredes’ make up. He never seemed intimidated by the majors. He seems to have self-confidence. Of course, the same could be said of Angel Sanchez. Make up means players may be able to achieve their potential, but it doesn’t substitute for baseball skill.
by clack on Sep 30, 2011 7:43 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He needs to start next year in AAA
He has a long way to go defensively. He does have the ability to make great plays at 3b, but fundamentally he still needs a lot of work particularly with his footwork. He was constantly getting caught in between on routine plays and had his share of mental errors as well out there. The routine DP ball that he turned into a disaster to end the game in Washington and the base-running mistake he made in Pittsburgh are examples of how far he has to go on the development curve.
Offensively, his issues are pretty obvious. 47/9 K/BB was actually probably a little better than expected given his minor league track record. There doesn’t seem to be a whole lot of emphasis at swinging at strikes throughout the organization though.
The talent is there, but he has a long way to go. At this point, I think major league pitchers know they don’t have to throw him strikes to get him out. His 2012 could look a lot like CJ’s 2011 if they just hand him the everyday job. The Astros should try some combination of Downs/CJ/FA at 3b for at least half a season while Paredes develops in AAA.
by kb10bu on Sep 30, 2011 1:19 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
It doesn’t appear that the FO plans to hand anyone a job just yet; I expect healthy competition all around. Which is good, because while this team is virtually devoid of proven major league players, there is some measure of depth of players who could be ready to be big leaguers
1B: Lee, Wallace
2B: Altuve, Downs, Paredes
3B: Paredes, Downs, CJ
RF/CF: Schafer, Bogusevic, Bourgeois, Shuck
by Snake Diggity on Sep 30, 2011 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
I’m actually excited about the guys we have and I could see us adding a vet or two on similar deals that we got Hall for. Between Hall and Feliz, we’ve had a bad time getting FA’s for some need positions the last two years. Maybe this year we get lucky? I think you’re right though, between Altuve, CJ, Downs, and Paredes, we should have 2B/3B covered. Preferably Downs at 2B and CJ at 3B, both performing well, and Altuve and Paredes working out their issues in AAA. All we need is a reliable back up…hopefully Blum is released so we can pick him back up…NOT!!!!
by Its Gonna Happen on Oct 1, 2011 4:29 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Anybody know what options are gonna be around for us at 2B/3B?
by Its Gonna Happen on Oct 1, 2011 4:29 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
The free agent options are shown here. The realistic options at 2d and 3d aren’t great. I’ve always liked Kelly Johnson, and he can play both positions, but he probably would command a salary that requires near starting number of at bats. Jose Lopez or Felipe Lopez might be worth a try as a utility back up. I noticed some quotes from Ed Wade in the Chronicle, who said that the Astros may make their bigger moves in the trade market as compared to the free agent market.
by clack on Oct 1, 2011 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well we are assumed to be shopping Wandy
The Rockies have seemed really interested but anyone could be a player for him. Myers probably won’t get enough return to be anything more than a salary dump if we move him. I don’t see us having any trade value outside of Wandy or (God Forbid) Bud Norris, and if we’re not making plans for a FA, I don’t foresee a lot of offseason activity, if any.
Thanks for the link BTW.
by Its Gonna Happen on Oct 1, 2011 5:57 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
bLooking over that list
We REALLY need to re-sign Barmes. He’s going to be very highly
by Its Gonna Happen on Oct 1, 2011 6:14 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Re: Looking over that list
We REALLY need to re-sign Barmes. He’s going to be very highly sought after by most mid market teams I think. He’s a tier under the two highly coveted Reyes and Rollins but has great defense (which any team will want) and some descent pop in his swing for a SS. Any team that doesn’t have a good SS in place already is going to look at Barmes whether they can afford Reyes or not. I think we need to sign him ASAP!
Also, I see trading Wandy as our only hope to get any new help on the team. The good players I saw were few and far between on that list and that, via supply and demand, drives that price way up. However when I ask myself, if we don’t sign Clint Barmes back and we do trade Wandy would I want ML players as patch work or would I want legit prospects, I feel torn and lean towards the prospects.
by Its Gonna Happen on Oct 1, 2011 6:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions

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