A Glance at Jordan Lyles Rookie Season
In the midst of the Astros worst season in franchise history, constant change of ownership drama, the trade deadline, and several prospects making the jump from Corpus Christi to the majors, the Astros highly touted prospect Jordan Lyles major league debut was lost in the shuffle this season. Not since Hunter Pence have the Astros had a prospect that has been hyped as much as Jordan Lyles was, whose name was mentioned so much last year that you would have thought he was the Astros own version of Stephen Strasburg. In his 92 innings pitched this year Lyles put up a respectable debut season for a 20 year old, but it was not impressive enough to distinguish himself from the other headlines surrounding the Astros this season. With that being said I decided to look deeper into Jordan Lyles rookie season to see how good he was, and try and see what we can expect out of him going forward.
Here is a look at some of Jordan Lyles stats for the season, and also his career minor league stats as well:
2011 Houston Astros Stats
|
Pitcher |
IP |
K/9 |
BB/9 |
HR/9 |
H/9 |
ERA |
FIP |
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Jordan Lyles |
92.2 |
6.31 |
2.23 |
1.36 |
10.3 |
5.24 |
4.48 |
Career Minor League Stats
|
Pitcher |
IP |
K/9 |
BB/9 |
HR/9 |
H/9 |
ERA |
FIP |
|
Jordan Lyles |
421 |
8.9 |
2.5 |
0.6 |
9.2 |
3.55 |
N/A |
When looking at the two stat-lines side by side the biggest disappointment is that his K/9 ratio dropped from 8.9 to 6.31 this season. His K/9 ratio in AAA this season was also 6.06, which was also a little disappointing considering the solid K/9 ratio he posted at AA the year before of 8.15. This is probably an indication that Lyles could have benefitted from a full year in Oklahoma City this season to work on missing a few more bats.
Lyles ERA also rose from a career total of 3.55 to 5.24 this season, however his FIP for the year sits at 4.48, and his xFIP sits at 4.07 due to the fact that he had an above average HR/9 ratio. Another stat that suggests that Lyles was slightly unlucky this season is that his left on base percentage was 65.6% this season, but was never lower than 72.6% in full season ball. He was also typically billed as a groundball pitcher in the minors, so there is reason to believe that he will raise his GB% from the 40.2% level that it sat at this season.
By looking at his stats for this year we can tell that Lyles had a respectable season, and also that there is reason for hope that his numbers will improve next year. If he is able to reduce the number of hits that he gives up per nine innings while some of his other stats normalize then there is reason to believe that we may soon see the Jordan Lyles that we heard about in the minors. As a little reference point to see how Jordan’s rookie season compares to others of the same age, I generated the chart below.
According to Baseball-Reference, there have been 32 other pitcher’s who have made their major league debut at age 20 since 1980. Of those 32, 12 of them threw 85 innings or more their rookie year. The chart below details the results for those 12 pitchers in their rookie season.
|
Pitcher |
IP |
K/9 |
BB/9 |
HR/9 |
ERA |
FIP |
WAR |
|
180.1 |
8.53 |
4.74 |
0.95 |
4.39 |
4.22 |
2.9 |
|
|
170.2 |
4.69 |
2.74 |
1.21 |
3.96 |
4.77 |
1.9 |
|
|
162 |
6 |
3.22 |
1.28 |
5.56 |
4.69 |
1.4 |
|
|
145 |
6.21 |
1.61 |
1.61 |
3.97 |
4.7 |
2.2 |
|
|
Mike Witt |
129 |
5.23 |
3.28 |
0.63 |
3.28 |
3.69 |
1.4 |
|
107.2 |
8.36 |
4.35 |
0.92 |
4.26 |
4.08 |
1.4 |
|
|
Steve Avery |
99 |
6.82 |
4.09 |
0.64 |
5.64 |
3.64 |
1.7 |
|
Jordan Lyles |
92.2 |
6.31 |
2.23 |
1.36 |
5.24 |
4.48 |
0.4 |
|
90 |
9.4 |
4.8 |
1.3 |
3.5 |
4.52 |
0.4 |
|
|
87.2 |
6.26 |
3.49 |
0.62 |
3.8 |
3.57 |
1.5 |
|
|
Jeff D'Amico |
86 |
5.55 |
3.24 |
2.2 |
5.44 |
6.19 |
0.3 |
|
85.2 |
4.94 |
5.99 |
0.95 |
4.73 |
5.47 |
0.4 |
To sum up the graph above, here’s where Jordan Lyles ranks in the categories listed above:
K/9 – 5th
BB/9 – 2nd
HR/9 – 10th
ERA – 10th
FIP – 6th
Quite a few of the pitchers listed on this list are having, or went on to have pretty descent seasons at some point. Only Zach Grienke posted a better walk ratio than Jordan, and he also finished slightly ahead of the middle of the pack in strikeout ratio and FIP as well. However, only Zack Greinke and Jeff D’Amico posted a worse homerun ratio than Lyles, and only Steve Avery and Jeff D’Amico finished with a worse ERA as well.
To sum everything up Jordan did not live up to the hype that surrounded him, but he also was not disappointing in his first full season in the majors as a 20 year old rookie. Given his makeup and composure on the mound, he should be an interesting pitcher to watch in the upcoming seasons.
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I posted this on Astros County a few weeks ago, but always like feedback. This is the first year that I started posting or writing about the Astros, and I enjoy doing it, but have learned alot from comments from everyone, so I figured I would post it here as well.
I commented on it in one of Timmy’s links article that included a link to the Astros Country piece.
by clack on Sep 27, 2011 11:08 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I remember. I think we were looking at comparable pitchers from the list. Greg Maddox threw about 30 innings in his age 20 season so I didn’t list him, but he could be who Lyles compares most to.
by conroestro on Sep 27, 2011 11:15 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I like the article, but I’d like to point out something about your last paragraph. The only hype that surrounded Lyles was coming from Houston’s own fans. National prospect experts pegged him as a fourth-starter type with third-starter upside. Given that, he’s probably right on track. We all would have liked to see him light the world on fire, though.
Very true. Lyles was hyped by Houston media big time last year with the speculation that he could possibly be a September callup as a 19 year old although that was stalled by a bad showing in Round Rock.
But you are very correct by the fact that National media constantly considered Lyles as a middle of the rotation type of guy.
by conroestro on Sep 28, 2011 12:25 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That's not quite true
National media guys viewed him as a top 50 prospect and a very safe bet (as far as prospects go) to be a number three starter without much upside beyond that. They didn’t view him as only a number four. He was considered a good prospect by virtually all national sources though, and was hyped in that sense.
It’s true that only Houston fans and media were hyping him as a potential ace in the wings, though. I’ve never been onboard with that perspective.
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Right, I wasn’t clear with that. Lyles was and still is projected to be an average-to-good mid rotation starter. It’s easy to lose sight of how rare that is.
But Houston fans who thought he was going to dominate the major leagues the way he did in AA were aiming way too high. True ace prospects are top-10 types. I don’t think Lyles got to top 50 based on his talent, but rather on his projectability. Somebody with mid-rotation upside who is showing nothing in the minors isn’t going to make the top 50. A guy who’s closer to a “low ceiling sure thing” is going to be ranked very highly because there’s value in predictability.
I hope Lyles gets to a “good 3rd starter” status in the next couple years.
And, being a total multi-reply dork...
I’m going to add that other pitches with ace upside but less of a sure thing to make the major leagues because of control issues in the minors might also be ranked around 50. So comparing a pitcher ranked 50 to a pitcher ranked 51 on prospect lists may actually be comparing apples and oranges, because of why they’re ranked there.
But I digress. I agree with your comment.
Lyles probably got into the top 50 on a combination of his makeup, results, and control, even if he was a little lacking in the stuff department.
by conroestro on Sep 28, 2011 4:22 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
For so long it seemed like if he added a little to his fastball then he could be more because he is still young and projectable, but that just hasn’t been the case yet.
by conroestro on Sep 28, 2011 4:13 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Chron.com article about Lyle said he was in the clubhouse reading Randy Johnson’s book “Power Pitching” (or something like that). He must be thinking about how to add velocity. :)
by clack on Sep 28, 2011 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That’s good if he is trying to add velocity. He seems like a hard worker and one that will keep getting better.
Another thing he could work on in the offseason is his curveball command. He has a good curveball but is far from consistent with it. If he can figure out that pitch an add it to his changeup then he would have two average to above average offspeed offerings. That would mix well with a good two seamer that he can control. Maybe he could also hone in his command of the two-seam as well.
by conroestro on Sep 28, 2011 5:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I just went back and read that article on Lyles now. Its good that he has always trying to learn from the great ones out there.
CR Perry originally mentioned it in Timmy’s links, but I think he said something like if he were Lyles then he would be studying video and everything he could on Greg Maddox.
by conroestro on Sep 28, 2011 5:34 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yep, I would.
Not that it’s likely to become Greg Maddox, but why wouldn’t you study a guy who succeeded with a similar skillset?

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