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What If: Draft Day Alternate Reality

First off, a huge hat tip to ntn; I stole the headline of his recent fanpost in which he looks at what coulda-been, had the Astros stayed healthy.  It's an enjoyable read, and I shamelessly acknowledge that his post gave me the idea for this one.

It is June 2000.  The past eleven years haven't happened.  No World Series berth, no Clemens-Petittte-Oswalt trifecta, no Cecil Cooper, no Ed Wade, no Woody Williams or Jason Jennings.  God gives the Astros a chance at a do-over (at the urging of the archangel Gabriel, who, for some reason, feels an affinity with Houston).  God instructs the Astros that they are playing for 2011 and beyond, and He gives them the following rules:

God:  "Here art thine decade do-over commandments:

  1. Thou shalt only draft players who would have been available during thine picks in the true reality.  
  2. Thou shalt not dig too deeply.  Thou shalt not draft a player for the 2nd round who actually went in the 24th round.
  3. Thou shalt not sign Free Agents, nor shall thou trade, nor shall thou acquire players using any method other than the first-year player's draft every June.  The players thou drafteth shalt be on thine roster until yon end of the 2011 season and beyond."

With those commandments in mind, the 2000 Astros have fired their GM and hired me to run their next eleven drafts, due to my my foreknowledge of future success and aptitude for revisionist history.

Star-divide

June 2000:

Armed with a decade's worth of stats, most notably WAR (Wins over Replacement), and Baseball Reference's handy draft tracking utility, I begin my search for an improved 2011 Astros team.  The Astros 2000 draft was a bust, I decide, sneering at the pick of Robert Stiehl at No. 27 overall.  I quickly toss him aside and snatch up Adam Wainwright to anchor my starting rotation.  He had been destined to go two picks later to the Braves, but this time around, he's wearing the star.  In Round 2, I choose to keep the Astros pick of Chad Qualls at pick 67.  Sure, Grady Sizemore is still available, but I'm willing to bet that in the next 10 years I can find three more promising outfielders, and nobody else in Rounds 2 or 3 have a better WAR than Qualls.  Every team needs good relief pitching.  The fans hate me, but I know what I'm doing.

June 2001:

After the lukewarm reaction from fans after the 2000 draft (despite my insistence that it just wasn't a very good draft class), I knew that to regain public trust I would need to make a splash.  2001 was my perfect chance.  I decided to let Chris Burke become somebody else's disappointment and sign my third baseman of the future, David Wright.  Wright should have dropped 20 more picks to land in the laps of the Mets, but I got him first.  In the 2nd Round, I rightly recognized that Astros fans in 2011 would have no clue who Mike Rodriguez even is, and eschewed him to take Dan Haren at pick 54.  Sorry Cardinals, you don't get Danny Boy after all.  My rotation is looking pretty stout at this point, and the fans love the picks.

June 2002:

After much soul-searching, I decide that 29th pick Derick Grigsby may not even make it to the majors, so I bypass him in favor of my catcher, Brian McCann.  #70 pick Mitch Talbot is pushed aside, and I take my right fielder of the future, Curtis Granderson, who wins a surprise NL MVP award in 2011 with the Astros.

June 2003:

Not needing a 3rd starter right away, I bypass Jason Hirsh with my second round pick.  Alas, fate did not resupply me with the 1st-round pick I lost via free agent signings in the "real" space-time continuum.  Sticking with the outfield theme from 2002, I confidently select Andre Ethier to man Left Field, knowing that his power and patience will compliment Wright in the middle of the lineup.

June 2004:

Again, I  have no Round 1 pick.  After I finish cursing the "real timeline" Astros GM, I look through my options.  I am very tempted to stick with Texas native Hunter Pence in 2004, and almost pull the trigger on my second player to man the Houston roster in both timelines, but then my eye drifts to a future MVP winner at a typically offensively-challenged position.  I say a regretful adieu to Pence and snatch up my second baseman, Dustin Pedroia.  I figure Pedroia will slide in nicely as the No. 2 hitter behind Granderson.

June 2005:

I have two picks in 2005!  I am elated.  Unfortunately, the epic trove of MVP-level prospects (Upton, Zimmerman, Braun, Tulowitzki, Gordon, Romero, McCutchen, Bruce, Ellsbury) are all off the board.  Not to fear, as some quality talent still slid to my draft position.  I gleefully let Brian Bogusevic's bum arm drift into somebody else's lap and snatch up Matt Garza, knowing other GM's will drool from envy over Garza pitching for me out of the number 3 spot.  I could have Eli Org with my second pick in the first round, but choose not to go there for obvious reasons.  Sifting through the available players, I bypass Clay Buchholz (I don't need my fourth starter yet), and Jed Lowrie (I just don't trust his defensive chops!) and snatch up Yunel Escobar, who should have dropped all the way to the end of the 2nd round.  17.4 career WAR through 2011 at a premium defensive position?  Other teams wish they were me.

June 2006:

The 2006 draft just can't hold a candle to the 2005 draft.  Where last year I found a dozen players I wanted to play for my team in the first few rounds and only could select two, this year I have two picks in the first two rounds, and nobody available who excites me.  The commandments won't let me say, "Can I just sign nobody and keep the picks for next year?", so I disregard Maxx Sapp and Sergio Perez and take my new closer Daniel Bard and fourth starter Justin Masterson instead.  I have a feeling Masterson will have a breakout year in 2011.  Call it a hunch.

June 2007:

In 2007, I shake my head.  What a waste.  My first pick is in Round 3.  In the real world, the Astros would have drafted Derrick Deitrich and then refuse to sign him.  Perusing my options in Round 3 and below, I hold my nose and select Marc Rzepczynski, because he's a good swingman, and because I really like typing his name.

June 2008:

Another weak draft.  How I dream of 2005.  I've already got my catcher in McCann, so I let Jason Castro walk at pick 10 and instead select Ike Davis.  Not exciting, I know, but I need a first baseman and he seems to be one of those unexciting but surprisingly good players to me.  I'm very comfortable with the selection, knowing that most teams overpay for a 1B with limited skills.  I get to underpay for a 1B with underrated skills.  Works for me.  As for Jordan Lyles, well I'm just not seeing anybody else on the board that excites me, so I go with the flow and pencil Lyles in as my 5th starter.  Maybe 2012 will be his year.  For the first time since the year 2000, fans are not happy with my choices, but hey, when life (or the draft class) hands you lemons...

June 2009:

This is getting tricky.  I want my draftee here to play in 2011, but he's going to be very young, regardless of who I pick.  Luckily, I have revisionist history and I know that Jiovanni Mier looks like the king of flops.  So, I ignore him in favor of 2011 #1 prospect Mike Trout, who I assign to play center field.  I am shocked that he strangely dropped to me at pick 21, but I don't complain.  This guy is going to be a beast, and he's reportedly a nice guy to boot.  I look forward to future comparisons between him and Bryce Harper of the Nationals.  I don't see anybody in later rounds that I want, so I move on to 2010.

June 2010:

Not many players from the 2010 draft made it into the majors, but I already have a 2B.  I decide to pass on Delino DeShields, Jr. and instead take Chris Sale.  Sale's a hard-throwing guy who should look good in my bullpen in 2011, but in 2012 I plan to make him my 5th starter if Lyles struggles.  A handy guy to have around, with top of rotation potential.  I like the pick.

 

Well, that was a trip.  Remind me to send Gabriel a thank-you note for interceding to get me a second chance to re-do Astros drafts of the past decade.  I just need to fill out a lineup card and send it to my manager, then watch the playoff wins pile up.

 

Astros Revisionist History 2011 Lineup:

 

RF Curtis Granderson
2B Dustin Pedroia
3B David Wright
C Brian McCann
LF Andre Ethier
1B Ike Davis
SS Yunel Escobar
CF Mike Trout
SP Dan Haren
SP Adam Wainwright
SP Matt Garza
SP Justin Masterson
SP Jordan Lyles
CL Daniel Bard
SU Chris Sale
RP Marc Rzepcynski
RP Chad Qualls

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I've often thought it would be cool to go back in time and be a GM's advisor in drafts

Should have started in ’99 though…Pujols and Crawford…

Oh how glorious the Astros would be if I had a time machine!!!

by Its Gonna Happen on Sep 26, 2011 6:11 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

That would have broken God's commandments

Since Pujols went in the 13th Round, I wouldn’t have been able to take him anyway.

Crawford, I could have taken with the Astros 1st pick in 1999, but honestly…would you rather have Crawford this season or Granderson. I’d take Granderson. Crawford has a hugely overrated skill set. Maybe if he actually hit for the power that people seem to think he does. Crawford averaging 11.5 HR/season, and Granderson is averaging 23.9. The difference in SB doesn’t make enough difference to tip the scales in Crawford’s favor, and Granderson has a better OBP.

by CRPerry13 on Sep 27, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

This was all part of the sleepless night. Then I bit off the smallest piece with injuries. The draft was just too overwhelming, but you had a good set of criteria to narrow down the options. I love how you work in the fantastic players that we did take in each year. Who’s going to do the third part of the trilogy: What if: Trades. I won’t. But some suggestions: Lofton, Schilling, Cammy, Finley, Zobrist, Randy Johnson…maybe the rule five (Santana) and expansion draft (Abreu) can be added to it…or as a sequel.

by ntn on Sep 26, 2011 10:31 PM CDT reply actions  

“fantastic players”, haha. I consider myself a pretty strong Astros nerd, and honestly….I don’t remember drafting guys like Robert Steihl and Eli Org in the first two rounds.

Just shows what a crapshoot the draft really is. Like playing darts in a “moonwalk” balloon thing.

by CRPerry13 on Sep 27, 2011 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

2008 Draft

So would you not draft Smoak who went a pick later than Castro. I mean Ike Davis is decent but I still think Smoak has uber power and ability.

by blazemule on Sep 27, 2011 10:41 AM CDT reply actions  

Major league slash lines so far.
Smoak in 879 PA: .228, .317, .387, .704.
Davis in 750 PA: .271, .357, .460, .817.

I don’t know, I probably would prefer Davis, myself. But I think it comes down to one’s assessment of bust potential vs. ceiling. Smoak may have a somewhat higher ceiling, but his early major league sample would suggest a higher bust possibility.

by clack on Sep 27, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

I totally considered Smoak, but I’m not really liking his numbers so far (as clack points out below). I took Davis because, although his upside is lower than Smoak, I feel more confident that he will be a sure-thing above average 1B. I figured with a nucleus of Granderson, Pedroia, Wright, McCann, Ethier, I would rather go with a guy I’m confident in (for 2011, I mean) over a boom-or-bust guy like Smoak (who busted in 2011, BTW).

Also, I’m already toting around Mike Trout, who was dismal in 2011 but has a sky-high ceiling. That was my one “upside prospect” pick.

My least favorite pick was sadly Lyles. Especially when considering the 5th starter, I’d rather have Chris Sale in my 5th spot over Lyles 10 times out of 10. So in my world, 2012 would push Lyles to long relief. Sigh.

by CRPerry13 on Sep 27, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

In 2008 I'd take a guy named Brett Lawrie.

I remember reading he ridiculous raw power and hit balls out of Wrigley(?) maybe? field. I was all in on Smoak, but Lawrie was my second choice.

by YohannDookeyblue on Sep 28, 2011 2:43 AM CDT reply actions  

Yes. I hoped the Astros would take Lawrie in the first round in 2008. Lawrie was a high schooler when he played on a Canada national team; as a teenager he played against teams in the Carribean that had players with professional experience, and he dominated the pitchers. That struck me as a good sign that his bat would develop quickly.

by clack on Sep 28, 2011 6:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

I had Lawrie on my list too, until I saw that I could grab Wright and Pedroia.

I liked Granderson, Trout, and Ethier better than Lawrie too, so I didn’t have a place for him to play. And I needed a 1B. Good thinking though.

by CRPerry13 on Sep 28, 2011 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd still take Brian Bogusevic

and start him on the OF path instead of the mound path.

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by Timothy De Block on Sep 28, 2011 12:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Whoever wanted him to pitch

owes him an apology and several million dollars.

by ntn on Sep 28, 2011 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

If Bogusevic had been drafted as an outfielder rather than a pitcher, it might have lowered his drafting position below the first round. His pitching was more highly acclaimed in college than his hitting.

by clack on Sep 28, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

You’d take him over guys like Garza, Escobar, Buchholz?

I sure wouldn’t, not in a bajillion years.

by CRPerry13 on Sep 28, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Keep in mind, I’m talking about revisionist history here, not “what was known about these guys then.” Obviously at the time the Astros thought Bogusevic would be better/cheaper than those options I mentioned. But the beauty of this article is, I don’t have to care about reality.

by CRPerry13 on Sep 28, 2011 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think position players are more valuable than pitchers and both those pitchers are hardly established. Escobar does have the talent to be better than Bogusevic but also has the character concerns.

Starting Bogusevic out as a position player means he’s probably very close to the majors in 2007. What he’s been able to accomplish due to the late start is amazing and given a few years back may of proven to be an all-star. That decision to try Bogusevic as a pitcher first contributed to the fall of the Astros. If Bogusevic were close to the majors there would of been no need for Carlos Lee. Thus saving the Astros 100 million, of course being that the same management is still in place they probably do something just as stupid.

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by Timothy De Block on Sep 29, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mm…I’m not sure I agree with that. Lee was a well-established and successful hitter when the Astros signed him. Even had Bogusevic been a position player all along, there’s no indication that he’d be better in the majors than he is now. He’s a 280/340/430 hitter, and that’s good for a fourth outfielder, and pretty snoozeworthy as a regular. After 1,500 plate appearances in the minors (most in the high minors), he’s only 280/360/400. Those aren’t stats that translate to an impact player in the majors.

Escobar plays a premium defensive position with 290/370/400, and that’s a lot more valuable. I don’t care about his character issues—which seem to have been exacerbated by Bobby Cox, since he did nothing of note in Toronto—; I want ball players. Give me Bryce Harper, he can be a jerk all he wants if he’s hitting 280 with 45 homers.

I also don’t feel the same way about Garza (though I’m no Buchholz fan). Garza’s got a 3.83 career ERA (and posted 3.30 this season) and would look real nice as the Astros #2 starter in 2011 compared to the options we have.

I guess I’m not as high on Bogusevic as you are, but I don’t see much there to be excited about in tools or talent.

by CRPerry13 on Sep 30, 2011 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dont put all your eggs in the numbers basket. Numbers can lie.

"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"

by StrosSouth on Oct 3, 2011 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

In other words I wouldn't trust numbers as much as you do. Numbers don't always

tell the whole story and can be manipulated to make one’s point of view. You also SHOULD care about a player’s character issues. One rotten apple can spoil the whole barrel.

"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"

by StrosSouth on Oct 5, 2011 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

In some cases yes they can be especially if they younger and more

impressionable apples.

"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"

by StrosSouth on Oct 5, 2011 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't make assumptions...about me OR about Escobar

First, you assume that I’m “all about the numbers”. You’re dead wrong, but it’s not worth my time to argue with you.

Second, do you know Escobar? I sure don’t. From everything I read in the media his only “character flaw” was being disgruntled over a benching that was due to a couple mental lapses in the middle of a huge slump. If you take the five seconds it takes to google the guy, you’ll immediately see that as a member of the Braves, he was one of the guys who made hospital visits to fans and seemingly has no other record of being a bad guy.

Personally, I’d much rather have a hard-hitting defensive shortstop who gets pissed when he’s not allowed to play than a no-hitting CF who’s a pothead and PED user.

Don’t be so quick to jump on people.

by CRPerry13 on Oct 5, 2011 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

CR why are you once again acting like someone is attacking you personally?

you’re acting like a little kid. Grow up. I’m simply making a statement and if you don’t like fine but there is now reason to be a shithead about it.

"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"

by StrosSouth on Oct 5, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

P.S.-when did I jump on you in my statement(s)? I was just trying to

point something and you wrote a shitty reply back to me. you need to relax and realize that nobody is out to get you. You are not under attack here.

"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"

by StrosSouth on Oct 5, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why don’t you explain how my reply was “shitty”? I googled Escobar to see if he had any character issues I didn’t know about, and posted what I found.

Take a pill, man. Or at least some of the stuff Jordan Schafer uses.

by CRPerry13 on Oct 5, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

You tell me to stop making ssumptions bout which I never did and then

you use the shitty phrase that it’s not worth your time to argue with me. That’s pretty shitty since I never was arguing with you. That’s the second time you’ve used that phrase about arguing with me when I never have tried to argue with you. your replies to me seem to read as though you take my possible differences of opinion or simple statements a personal attack on you.
As for my “assumption” about you relying on numbers heavily probably stems from the fact that in a good number of your posts here you are posting stats of some sort or another to justify your position(s) and that’s perfectly fine with me btw. I’m just simply stating that one should not always judge a player solely by his numbers. Numbers don’t tell the whole story with player(s) as there always are going to be variables in play from one season to another since we are dealing with human beings. This is all that I was trying to allude to here but you post statements like you do and they come across as you being arrogant and taking my differing position as a personal attack. I’ve never personally attacked anyone here even if we’ve gotten into some heated debates.
I’m not your enemy and all I’m trying to do is share my point of view. Being older than most of the people posting on here my experience in baseball goes beyond the high school level and into coaching nowadays. I’m just trying to show another side of each situation. My experiences along with others on here are no less and no more valid than what yours are. So dismissing mine and others opinions with statements such as “it’s not worth your time arguing with me” or the other time that you called two posters here “boneheads” for agreeing with someone who vehemently disagreed with your position shows some immaturity on your part. Shouting people down or using phrases such as those when people disagree with you is not how things are done here. We might strongly disagree with one another but I’ve never seen anyone use the phrases towards people the way you do towards me. I am NOT your enemy here so please try and refrain from the insulting phrases towards myself and others.

"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"

by StrosSouth on Oct 5, 2011 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

After a few months, I'm not sure what your beef with me is.

StrosSouth Oct 5:

Shouting people down or using phrases such as those when people disagree with you is not how things are done here.

StrosSouth Oct 4:

you’re acting like a little kid. Grow up. I’m simply making a statement and if you don’t like fine but there is now reason to be a shithead about it.

I’m done replying to you.

by CRPerry13 on Oct 6, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Re-read your posts and quit blaming me for your mistakes.

you make these statements and then try and make seem like Im the bad guy here. I have NO beef with you. YOU are the one calling people “boneheads” and saying “that it’s not worth your time to argue with me” when I was never arguing with you to begin with and was just stating my opinion. I never assume anything about anyone on here as I don’t know anyone on here personally. I don’t judge anyone because as the Bible states “Judge not lest ye be judged.” Your statements such as those above come across as arrogant, demeaning, and very childish. It sounds like something a petulant teenager would say to their parent(s) when they get in trouble. Again I have no beef with you. I just wish you would try and remain civil when someone disagrees with you. I disagree with people on other topics here but only you seem like it’s ok to write snide/rude comments in your posts. Just the other day someone jumped all over Busta because of something he said and then later apologized when they realized how they came off sounding. The people who post on here are good people and we ALL get emotional when it comes to our Astros. All I ask is that if you are not intending to come across like you are that’s fine. Just maybe review your posts and see that some of your statements have been rather turdish. Again, I am not angry or mad at you. I have no problem with you personally but rather some of the comments you make when you reply back to people.

"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"

by StrosSouth on Oct 6, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wandy was in the system in 1999

He’s saying that Wandy should be included in this “Dream Team.”

by Patrick Harrel on Oct 4, 2011 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh

Yes, obviously Wandy would be probably the #3 or 4 starter on the roster above. But in my alternate reality, it was discovered that he was actually 42 years old, named Enrique Consuelo Nacho III, and got deported to Honduraguanama, and set up a new life for himself running a brothel for shetland ponies. So he couldn’t really play in the majors anyway.

Like ntn alluded to above, it could have been real easy to make this concept a daunting mountain of “what-if’s”, but I decided to focus on one manageable foothill.

by CRPerry13 on Oct 4, 2011 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

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