Moneyball, Dinner And An 11-2 Astros Win
I missed most of this game due to seeing Moneyball this evening (review will be coming next week). I was happy to find on my return home that the Astros were well ahead of the Rockies, and still keeping that 60 win hope alive. Apparently they did something special in the first inning, that had never been done before in Astros history.
The first 6 hitters reached base via a hit. J.B Shuck, Angel Sanchez, J.D. Martinez, Carlos Lee, Matt Downs and Chris Johnson all made their mark on Astros history and I missed it. Stupid Brad Pitt and his full head of hair. So anyway those six hits to start the game were accompanied by 5 runs leading to an eventual 11-2 win.
Brett Myers pitching with a nice cushion went 6 innings allowing only 1 earned run on 4 hits. He also managed to only walk one and strick out 6. Lance Pendelton, Juan Abreu and Jordan Lyles all followed Myers with 1 inning a piece. Pendelton allowed the other run to score via a homerun but struck out 2, Juan Abreu allowed 2 hits but struck out three and Lyles struck out 2.
Good offense, good pitching and CJ picked up his 15th error on the season. I really can't believe Mills has already rejected the idea of moving Johnson to first. Apparently Mills didn't read my latest article on the Astros roster inefficiencies where I point out that CJ has been the worst Major League third baseman the last two years.
You really can't beat seeing Moneyball, dinner at Outback and an 11-2 win by the Astros. Now that's an evening.
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I agree
I had a similar night (substitute Bullritos for Outback though). Moneyball, Bullritos, and I saw that the Astros were winning 11-1 on the bottom ticker on ESPN at Bullritos. I returned home to a 11-2 win, hooray!
by Patrick Harrel on Sep 23, 2011 11:08 PM CDT reply actions
I went to the 4 pm showing, and had a raging bull pizza.
by clack on Sep 24, 2011 6:19 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I got off work at 7, so our night was a bit later, but we ate at a nice chinese restaurant that I can’t spell the name of and went to the late 10:20 showing and got home at nearly 1 in the morning….solide evening!
That's a pretty late work night on Friday
I had my last class over at 4 so I was only out til 9:30ish.
by Patrick Harrel on Sep 24, 2011 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Gotcha beat superyankee!
I was AT the game, and aside from some jerk spilling my own beer on me and on the field and getting security out to investigate me, I had a great time and got to witness an 11-2 arskicking! I was on “El Grande” 3 different times and influenced Drew Pomeranz to suck so he could be swapped to Houston in the offseason in a sweet trade. Oh, and I saw the midnight showing of Moneyball, I expected more but it was good.
ESPN has screwed me on seeing my fallen beer and my flicking off of the HR hit to the foul poll highlights though…
by Its Gonna Happen on Sep 24, 2011 1:50 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
In my defense
You were waving that beer everywhere.
by seanbergmanrules on Sep 24, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes LF for Downs double
Some random passer by came and tried to watch the ball hit the wall and knocked my beer onto the field. In his defense he offered to buy me another but still major party foul!
by Its Gonna Happen on Sep 24, 2011 12:54 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Hey, you didn’t tell us he offered to buy you another beer.
by clack on Sep 24, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Caught up in the moment...
We were up by a ton and Pomeranz was seemingly taking my advice to blow his starts to drop his value enough for the Astros to snag him. Suddenly I’m covered in sticky goodness (beer), and am distracted between the runs we’re scoring on the field, the approaching security officers with their tazers and batons in hand, and an appologetic guy that was saying something…He was third on my list of immediate priorities.
Deep breath in…deep breathe out…Ok, I forgive him.
by Its Gonna Happen on Sep 24, 2011 2:12 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
tasers? that seems like overkill for spilling beer.
by clack on Sep 24, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Carlos Lee
I know we all like to get down on Carlos Lee, myself included, but you can’t deny the fact that he has 94 rbi’s and has a chance to break 100. Given the Astros lineup and on base skills I think that’s a pretty impressive feat this year.
by conroestro on Sep 24, 2011 2:30 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Besides his offensive numbers
He looked really good tonight at first. It really shows that he came up as a 3rd baseman, grounders seem to come pretty natural to him.
by Its Gonna Happen on Sep 24, 2011 4:16 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Carlos Lee has beaten his ZIPS projection for the season. That would have been tough to imagine around 3 months ago.
by clack on Sep 24, 2011 7:11 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
a win's always good
But haven’t the rockies lost something like 9 straight?
by AstroB on Sep 24, 2011 4:06 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
SWEEEEEEPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!
by Its Gonna Happen on Sep 24, 2011 4:17 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I thought that was a pic of Roger Clemens, at first... ^
"Nothing says romance like a face full of QWERTY." - The first-ever edition of Ask BLAS
Game
Went to the Astros game Friday for the first time in a few months. It’s nice you can pretty much sit wherever you want and stretch your legs out on the seat in front of you.
Martinez, really cracks the ball. Downs looked decent in right. Maybe took a false step or two, but he definitely has the athletic ability and the arm to be decent out there. Shuck really busted it on that triple, I like his hustle. Even though he’s probably not more than a 4th OF, he gives a good AB and always hustles. Sanchez looks much better at second than short and made a nice running catch on a pop-up. CJ of course made an error on a routine ground ball, but then later made a sparkling diving stop. Myers looked good. Really pounded the strike zone once the Astros got the big lead.
Also, disappointed for Rockies that Tulowitzski didn’t play. I was looking forward to watching him live.
Haven't been keeping up with the team as much lately
As the minor league season is over and I’ve simultaneously gotten more busy with other things. But when I’ve checked the box scores it seems like Altuve hasn’t been playing much, and that’s frustrating. I know he’s been slumping, but that just drives home the point to me that if they weren’t ready to let him play through his struggles, they should have had him stay down in the minors for the rest of the year.
When a 21-year old kid comes up after only 153 plate appearances above high A ball, he is going to have some vicious slumps. My understanding was that the Astros knew this and were just going to let him play through them and figure it out. But yet again, we see Mills benching the young guy in favor of veterans. It’s inexcusable as far as I’m concerned.
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Altuve has done well his past couple games. He's has a swollen elbow from a HBP and did not play yesterday
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
Yeah, that's fair about the HBP
He’s only played about every other game in the month of September as a whole, though. It feels like Mills isn’t willing to allow rookies to play through slumps, and slumping is an automatic reduction to a part time role until the guy starts hitting again.
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I couldn't agree more...
I believe Mills is ruining some of our rookies through poor managing and worthless platooning. I can’t wait until he gets canned.
Ruining seems too strong of a word
I think Altuve will be fine in the long ter, but “delaying his development for bad reasons” seems a fitting description to me.
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There is a school of thought that it’s better to give players occasional days off when they are in a vicious slump. I know of no reason to automatically dismiss the idea. It’s hard to test, but it’s a prevalent line of thinking among a lot of managers. Also, the reduced playing time for Altuve has meant more playing time for Downs, which I think is important. In my way of thinking, Downs is as important as Altuve, in terms of getting at bats.
by clack on Sep 24, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not sure I agree about Downs
I like him a lot, and have since we picked him up, but Altuve is 21 and Downs is 27… Altuve is a better defender and I think may have a higher offensive ceiling as well. I still believe it’s possible Altuve could be an important long-term part of this franchise. The best case scenario for Downs seems like he tops out as a solid regular for 3 or 4 more years before he exits his prime and winds down his career in a utility role. Altuve could have a long career as an everyday player.
I mentioned before I’d like to see Downs get some at bats in an outfield corner… that would be a good way to get him into the game without robbing more important players of ABs.
As for benching players when they slump—I think I would be more okay with it if it applied equally to veterans and rookies. Players like Carlos Lee get run out there while a month deep in a horrible slump, but after a couple weeks of bad hitting, a young inexperienced guy gets thrown onto the bench. I would actually say it’s much more important for the young guys to have consistent playing time than the veterans because they’re still in the development phase, while a guy like Lee is a finished product.
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The thinking is that veterans have been through so many slumps that they no how to handle. That is a bigger question mark for very young players. There is a possibility that playing Altuve more this month would have left him with an OPS below .600…is that better for his development, or is it possible that maintaining semi-positive results (such as his current .650 OPS) would leave him with more confidence to begin next year? I don’t think there is any way to know the answer with certainty. But I have to say that the latter train of thought is not irrational. And I have to believe that the coaches know more about Altuve than me.
by clack on Sep 24, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree about occasional days off...
But that’s not happening with Mills and Altuve. He is playing in slightly more than half of the Astros’ September games. I think everyone can agree about that occasional off-day. What we can’t agree about is platooning Altuve.
I agree that the time off for slumps thinking should not be dismissed as wrong. I don’t think Mills is doing much damage to these players. I think both schools of thought have merit. I think some players respond better playing through a slump, and others just keep digging a hole. The players that are going to be successful are going to find a way to rise to the top. I usually think of Art Howe as a good developmental manager because of the job he did with the club in the early 90s. But, looking back, he had his share of JR Towles and Berry Wallaces too. Eric Anthony and Andujar Cedeno never lived up to expectations. And, Luis Gonzalez struggled mightily after his rookie campaign until he moved on to other organizations. My point is, managers probably have little to do with successfully transitioning players from the minors to the majors.
by Brad E on Sep 24, 2011 1:30 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Off-topic (somewhat). But Art Howe comes across really badly in the movie “Moneyball.”
by clack on Sep 24, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's classic baseball movie stuff
Everyone knows that in a baseball movie, you have to have 1 national anthem scene (actually any sports movie for that matter has the National Anthem, check any classics you want), a scene where the “underdogs” look like the Bad News Bears because they’re so awful, a new player that the old-fashioned, stubborn manager refuses to play (Hatteberg and Howe, respectively, but Roy Hobbs and Pop Fisher in the Natural, etc.). Even though the movie is based off of a true story, they use a number of classic baseball movie stuff throughout.
by Patrick Harrel on Sep 24, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I enjoy the scene where Beane keeps telling Howe that he will be starting Hatteberg that day, and Howe keeps saying no, he will start Pena. Then Beane tells Howe that Pena has been traded.
by clack on Sep 24, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Altuve was out of this game, by the way, because he was injured. He was hit by a pitch around the elbow in the previous game and he had soreness when he threw the ball before this game. Oh, sorry, I just now see that Busta brought up the same point.
by clack on Sep 24, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Johnson had a good game offensively, bit on the defensive side let a ball role right between his legs.
by conroestro on Sep 24, 2011 12:04 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Cardinals
I was hoping for the Astros to eliminate the Cards from the playoffs next week. But the Cubs may do it first. Going into today’s game, the Cardinals’ elimination number is 3 games (any combination of Braves’ wins and Cardinals’ losses). The Cards lost to the Cubs last night and they are already behind 1-0 today.
by clack on Sep 24, 2011 12:47 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
that Rafael Furcal dropped DP ball
is looking mighty big when the Cardinals led the Mets 6-2 in the ninth inning.
I prefer to crush their hopes ourselves...
by Its Gonna Happen on Sep 24, 2011 2:13 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Just looked at the score…Cubs still ahead 1-0 in the top of the 9th.
by clack on Sep 24, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
apparently Marmol has walked in a run for a tie game, still batting in the 9th.
by clack on Sep 24, 2011 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
…and Marmol throws a walk off wild pitch.
by clack on Sep 24, 2011 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Marmol doesn't seem like he should still be closing.
He’s been terrible against the Astros this year.
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
Martinez is in RF tonight, Lee in LF, Wallace at 1st, Altuve & Paredes playing as well
Martinez’s Arm Gun is perfect for RF, Although his speed may be something lacking. I like to see him in RF to see what he can do because there are several scenarios coming out of ST which could benefit from Martinez playing RF.
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
This will be his 1st time playing RF since last year with the Hooks.
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
When I looked at the box and saw Abreu hit another player,
that was a faceplam moment for me.
He did strike out 3, but he’s gotta get his stuff under control.
He needs to focus solely on his command and mechanics this winter. He’s got electric stuff: a dynamite fastball, a good breaking ball, and a potentially dominant changeup (changeup reached 90mph once, and the batter missed it badly).
If he can improve his command, he could be our closer of the future.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
Yeah I was thinking he could be a very good closer in the future.
He does have a problem with grounballs (25%), but I will assume that is because he leaves pitches up in the zone too often.
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.




























