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Bullpen Predictions for 2012

Well we did it. 100 losses with 11 games to go. The Astros will probably figure to lose about 7 more with a complete record of 55-107. So what do the Astros win? We'll probably win the 1st round draft pick next year unless the Astros win all of the next 11 games and some team like the Twins loses all of the final games of the season. But that is not likely, so celebrate with a dinner at Olive Garden, clank some glasses of fancy wine, because woo hoo dog-gone it, we won the 1st round pick in next years draft. Ain't that just great?

But in all seriousness, the team this year has just done terrible as a whole. There were a few bright spots on the team, but for all we know those bright spots could be just specks of white mold in a sea of black mold next year. But what can we reasonably expect from the Astros next year? 

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The Bullpen

Starting off the 2011 season, the Astros chose 7 arms to man the bullpen. Brandon Lyon was named automatic closer, Wilton Lopez was given the set up position, Jeff Fulchino was untouchable, Aneury Rodriguez was the rule-5 pick, and Fernando Abad was the LOOGY. There were two other players who received spots in the bullpen based on their good spring trainings: Mark Melancon and Enerio Del Rosario

But ever since the first game of the season when Brandon Lyon blew the save against the Phillies, the original players in the bullpen to start the year off have been downright terrible with the exception of Mark Melancon and Wilton Lopez. Brandon Lyon was practically handed the closer's job even with a dismal spring training, Jeff Fulchino was still terrible, Aneury Rodriguez has had glimpses of success, but has been too inconsistent, Fernando Abad was a disaster, and Enerio del Rosario was just unspectacular. 

But as we wade through the blown saves and poor performances, we come upon some players who have done pretty well this year. Fernando Rodriguez is one, Mark Melancon another, Sergio Escalona has made his mark as a good lefty reliever, and Juan Abreu, Wesley Wright, and Lucas Harrell all have had success in short stints in the majors.

What does the bullpen next year figure to be starting off? My prediction:

CL: Mark Melancon
SU: Fernando Rodriguez
SU: Wilton Lopez
MR: Sergio Escalona
MR: Juan Abreu
MR: Xavier Cedeno
LR: Brandon Lyon

With Mark Melancon doing pretty well at the closer's role this year, I see him the automatic choice to become closer starting the year off next year. Wilton Lopez will again figure to be in a setup role to start the year off and Sergio Escalona will most likely be the main left hander in the pen with Xavier Cedeno or Wesley Wright for the 2nd spot. Cedeno in my opinion has much better stuff than Wesley and may end up being a valuable bullpen asset next year, possibly used in a set-up role as well.

Juan Abreu is a guy who I am very curious as to see what he could morph into. In his last outing he pumped 98mph fastballs, he threw a 90mph change-up, and threw several 82 mph curves which completely over matched the hitters he was facing. Overall this year at Triple-A, he has 77 strikeouts in 57.2 innings, a phenomenal amount, and has only given up 42 hits as well, only 15 of them being extra-base hits. If he keeps striking out hitters at that rate, he could become a shut-down closer sometime next year. However, two red flags pop up. In the past two seasons he's had a ground ball rate near 25 percent. I'm not sure if this is an issue for a pitcher like him, but if batters start getting a lot more balls in play against him, it definitely will. And he also has control and command issues as well which might be responsible for the low ground ball rates. Abreu certainly has the stuff to become a shut-down closer, but we will just have to wait and see if the other aspects of his game can come together in order for that to happen.

Next year will be an interesting year with Brandon Lyon back off the DL. He has had a history of bad spring trainings in the past and since he is coming off season ending surgery, my guess is that the Astros will put him in a long-relief role first and then try to work him back up to strength. If he does turn out to be a pretty good reliever, that will be a step up from what Aneury Rodriguez has done. If he turns out terrible, I see the Astros releasing him and replacing his spot in the bullpen with Lucas Harrell. Harrell is a groundball machine and would be a step up from what Del Rosario has done this year as well.

Injury Replacements

Should an injury occur, somebody will be called up to take a spot in the bullpen.

The most likely candidate would probably be David Carpenter. The Astros seem to like him, and while he is pretty much a 2-pitch pitcher, his fastball does have sink, and his slider can be effective at times. 

Other likely candidates include Lucas Harrell, Aneury Rodriguez, and Wesley Wright. Others could be called up, but these are the most likely candidates.

Wild Card

There are a few pitchers who haven't really been considered as possible call ups. For one, the Astros could select a pitcher in the rule-5 draft who could be relegated to the bullpen, but so could future waiver wire pickups as well. Some names internally that come to my mind are Jorge De Leon, Jason Chowning, Mickey Storey, and Sammy Gervacio. De Leon had a good year this year and could take a David Carpenter path to the majors, but still needs to work on things. Chowing also had a good year with several good strikeout games. Storey and Gervacio both did well at Triple-A.

Overall, it looks like the bullpen next year will be a whole lot better than it was the start of this year, with perhaps several surprises along the way (hopefully good surprises).

Up next: Rotation Predictions for 2012

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That’s a good write up on the bullpen, and I agree with most of it. I tend to think that Carpenter probably makes the bullpen out of spring training, but it’s hard to predict how reliever arms work out. Whether the Astros sign a free agent for the bullpen is a question mark. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Astros did so, just so that they can give the impression to fans that they are trying to improve a much lambasted part of the team. In any event, the Astros probably will have a few NRI free agent candidates for the bullpen.

by clack on Sep 18, 2011 7:51 AM CDT reply actions  

There are several things the Astros could do to try to help the bullpen over the winter

I would expect the Astros to sign minor league free-agents like they’ve done with Xavier Cedeno and Fernando Rodriguez. They could pull off another trade like the Sergio Escalona trade. They could pluck a few more guys off waivers. They could pick up a pitcher or two in the rule 5 draft. Or they can sign someone to a major league deal. I think it really depends on how much money they want to spend, and whether they view the potential bullpen for next year as being a weak one or a strong one.

If the Astros want to sign money to get a pitcher, I see them signing a veteran closer. With all the blown saves this year, signing a closer or a late innings reliever would be the best choice to make. But that really depends on what the Astros want to spend money on.

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.

by BustaPozee on Sep 18, 2011 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

He could be a pretty useful player.

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.

by BustaPozee on Sep 18, 2011 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

You forgot plan A.

Draft a reliever with the first overall pick and immediately promote him to big league closer.

by ntn on Sep 18, 2011 12:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Ha. That would go over well.

by clack on Sep 18, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Perhaps a quality college closer with first pick of the second round?

by jmike on Sep 18, 2011 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ugh.

No way, if only because decent relievers are easier to find than decent starters and position players. I will not be happy if they burn ANY of their top four or five picks on a guy who projects as a reliever.

by CRPerry13 on Sep 19, 2011 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I really like Harrell

He did really well for us in AAA and has looked good in the small clip we’ve seen at the ML level. If I had a choice (Which I do in Its Gonna Happen Land!), we give Harrell a shot at the rotation in ST. If he doesn’t make it we keep him as a reserve in AAA where he can stay stretched out and keep getting work. Somebody on here said most ML teams use like 8 or so different starters at some point through the season.

by Its Gonna Happen on Sep 18, 2011 2:16 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

With all due respect to my cat loving friend...

I seriously doubt Millsie demotes Lyonsie all the way down to long relief. After all he is way to veterany for that.

Honestly, I wouldn’t be suprised if Mills even gives Lyon a shot at closer to start the season. After he loses us about 14 games Mills will demote him, again.

Unless you’re predicting that Millsie won’t be around next season; In which case, nevermind everything I just said…

…these are not the droids you’re looking for, move along.

"Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!" - George S. Patton

by chilam balam on Sep 18, 2011 9:19 PM CDT reply actions  

I think that's unlikely

Well like I mentioned above. Lyon has had terrible spring training performances in past years, and not only that, he will be coming off season ending surgery. We also have Mark Melancon doing pretty well in the closer’s role this year and I doubt Mills will remove him if he does better than Lyon in ST.

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.

by BustaPozee on Sep 18, 2011 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was joking... a bit.

However, I do think Mills will at least give Lyon a chance at the 7th or 8th inning role before he busts him all the way down to long relief.

Not saying I agree with it, but it is Millsie we’re talking about.

Oh and he’s not costing ME 5 million next year, but I think that might also play into their decision making a bit.

"Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!" - George S. Patton

by chilam balam on Sep 19, 2011 4:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

I dont think Id even look at him as the long relief guy

Do you really want him being out there any longer than he has to be? Even if its extremely seldom (which we can’t count on with this staff)

by Its Gonna Happen on Sep 19, 2011 6:24 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

The discussion of Brandon Lyon is premature until we know how he comes back from surgery. I vaguely recall that Lyon had an unusual surgery, which may mean that we have less confidence how he will come back from it. It is entirely possible that Lyon will return as top notch reliever who will be an asset as a set up man. It also is entirely possible that Lyon returns as a washed up pitcher who can’t make it out of spring training. I think the Astros’ coaches will be paying closer attention to his velocity and stuff in this spring training than they would have in past spring trainings, because they will try to determine if he has made a comeback from the surgery. If he hasn’t recovered well, maybe he is assigned to an extended rehab in the minors or instructional league.

by clack on Sep 19, 2011 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don’t think those are allowed in guaranteed major league contracts.

by clack on Sep 19, 2011 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Didn’t Bagwell have one? Wasn’t that the reason he and the Astros were bickering at the end of his career? I guess that had more to do with insurance than actually voiding his contract.

by CRPerry13 on Sep 20, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes. Bagwell’s contract was guaranteed and from his standpoint he got paid no matter what. But the Astros had an insurance policy which would pay off if he is too disabled to play during the contract. As an aside, the Astros’ litigation with the insurer was settled for a partial payment.

I doubt that the Astros would carry a similar insurance policy on a shorter term contract like Lyons’.

by clack on Sep 20, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Locks: Melancon (closer), Lopez (setup), F Rod (setup), Carpenter (setup/middle relief)
Probable: Lyon (middle relief), Escalona (loogy), Aneury (long relief)

Outside looking in but still have a chance: Wright, Juan Abreu, Del Rosario, Sosa, Harrell, Van Hekken, Cedeno, Abad, Gervacio, Henry Villar, Arcenio Leon, Mickey Storey, Chris Hicks, Jose Valdez, Ross Wolf, Erick Abreu, Dan Meszaros, Sergio Perez, Hyphen, Aristil, Pat Urckfitz, Zeid, Stoffel, Blake King, Jorge De Leon, Alberto Arias

Tons of reliever depth in the system, so the leash should be short for all the guys who make the big league roster; produce or someone else will be right there waiting to take your spot.

by Snake Diggity on Sep 19, 2011 9:16 AM CDT reply actions  

I wouldnt say Carpenter is a lock

Nor would I say that An Rod is probable.

by Its Gonna Happen on Sep 21, 2011 6:51 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Why not? I can see Aneury being demoted, but Carpenter has pitched really well.

by Snake Diggity on Sep 22, 2011 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

It’s hard to say anybody is a lock, to the extent that anything can happen in spring training. But I agree that Carpenter has an inside track on a bullpen slot. The Astros appear to view Carpenter has one of their future late inning relievers. I surmise that they like his make up as well as his fastball.

by clack on Sep 22, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

He hasn't shown anything really outside of his fastball

You can’t be a pro pitcher throwing only fastballs, sooner or later you’ll get tore up!

by Its Gonna Happen on Sep 25, 2011 6:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

He does throw a slider 21% of the time. He probably isn’t ready for the late inning work he has gotten, but it’s hard to quarrel with his stuff. He has 94 mph FB and a 85 mph slider, and has a 23% K rate and a 5% walk rate, which is a pretty good ratio. Link.

by clack on Sep 26, 2011 6:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

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