Brad Hand's the Astros a Shutout Loss
by Timothy De Block on Jul 7, 2011 9:20 PM CDT
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PrintNo it's not Brad Mills that handed the Astros another loss it was Brad Hand this time.
The Astros handed Mr. Hand his first Major League win by scoring absolutely zero runs and managed to be no-hit by the Hand for 4 1/3 innings. Overall the Astros collected two hits and three walks against Hand who went 7 innings and lowered his ERA to 2.77. The only other hit was a Carlos Lee single in the top of the 9th against Steve Cishek.
This was one of those games that you kept on in the background while you did something else. In fact I was working on article involving the Astros race to the number one pick in next years draft. There wasn't much excitement unless you were a Marlins fan. The most exciting play for the Astros was a pick off of Mike Stanton in the bottom of the 4th inning.
J.A. Happ battled his way to the 11th loss of the season. He went 5.2 innings with 5 hits, 5 runs allowed, 7 walks, 8 strikeouts and a bomb given up to Mike Stanton. Has Prince Fielder called yet?
Enerio Del Rosario followed Happ with a scoreless 1.1 innings pitched with a strikeout, he did however manage to allow a hit and walk one. Mark "The Shark" Melancon had a perfect 8th striking out one and that was it for the pitching.
Offensively 6 men on base for the entire game isn't going to win you many games. While the meeting was nice it still doesn't change the fact that this team still has a lot of holes to fill.
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thought 9th inning pitcher for FLA
was Chizek (you said Choate)…he was nasty…
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 7, 2011 9:22 PM CDT reply actions
fixed
you are correct sir I read the play by play wrong
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by Timothy De Block on Jul 7, 2011 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Lee not caring...
really makes me upset, and so does meachem’s staring…
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 7, 2011 9:22 PM CDT reply actions
meacham was lost right there for sure
If i were Arnold Rothstein id pay Ryan Braun all the money he
wants to stop going on homer streaks against the poor Astros....
am i the only one?
Opposing teams
If I was playing the Astros I would just bring up some rookie to pitch against us. How many times have we seen a rookie fresh to the show shut us down. I mean its ridiculous. Only thing that I can attribute it to is that as a team we have poor plate discipline and a low walk percentage.
Happ showing some frustration in his post-game interview. Happ said a few things about how he threw mostly quality pitches, other than a backup slider for the HR and a couple of lucky hits, and he couldn’t explain the results. He was asked to explain what he meant. Happ replied, “You tell me. What did you think about this game?” When the player turns the question on the interviewer, that usually indicates that anger is coming out. But Happ’s quiet demeanor made it seem like it wasn’t anger. The interviewer responded that Happ was hard to hit when he had his command, but he gave up a lot of walks and that hurt him. Happ responded that, in thinking about it, he probably would like to have thrown more strikes.
by clack on Jul 7, 2011 9:40 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
where did you see that
When you ask Carlos Lee what his favorite place to play is, and he anwsers with the words, anywhere with a Buffet. You know theirs a real problem.
by orangeblood kid on Jul 7, 2011 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
astros live
If i were Arnold Rothstein id pay Ryan Braun all the money he
wants to stop going on homer streaks against the poor Astros....
am i the only one?
happ was pretty upset it seemed
If i were Arnold Rothstein id pay Ryan Braun all the money he
wants to stop going on homer streaks against the poor Astros....
am i the only one?
totally saw the interview, that reporter was actually right about happ and happ agreed
If i were Arnold Rothstein id pay Ryan Braun all the money he
wants to stop going on homer streaks against the poor Astros....
am i the only one?
I hope Crane's new FO is smart enough to hang onto Happ
He should still be valuable at least through his first couple years of arbitration. He is a back of the rotation starter, nothing more, but should be a solid one and I think he has been unlucky this season (63% LOB, .310 BABIP) whereas he was lucky in seasons past. I still see him the same way as I did coming into this season, a guy whose ERA will wind up in the 4.00-4.50 range and who will give you a chance to win when he starts.
I see no problem with Happ being in a contending team’s starting rotation.
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I'm hoping that JA Happ has a late blooming renaissance like Wandy did...
But I don’t think it’s going to happen. He’s having a staunch regression to the mean this year and I’m quite positive like Subber said… we know exactly what we have.
His sole focus next year should be to lower his BB/9. Hell that should be his sole focus the rest of this year.
That's a possibility
There are plenty of other examples of lefties with stuff like Happ’s and Wandy’s who didn’t put things together until relatively late in their careers.
Happ’s stuff is better than it appears on the surface, too—his fastball really plays up in my opinion, due to the deception in his delivery. I almost feel like he’s a lefty whose fastball plays closer to 92, 93mph because of that, even though his actual velocity is only about 90mph.
All of that said, I’m not counting on him making radical improvements. I am expecting something like 4.20 ERA, 180 IP from him in an average year moving forward. Still a useful pitcher with some value but not a staff anchor by any means.
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Happ's stuff
His fastball velocity is weirdly inconsistent. He was between 88 and 94 mph last night. I don’t think it’s a 2 seam v. 4 seam fastball thing. Perhaps he tries to take some off to throw strikes but that doesn’t seem to be working either.
I don’t have much optimism for Happ, but I wouldn’t trade him because it would be selling low. He doesn’t have much value for a contender, since he likely wouldn’t make a contender’s rotation right now. I agree that he is likely a No. 4 / 5 rotation pitcher. I thought that when the trade occurred, but got my hopes up last season.
by clack on Jul 8, 2011 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Interviewer
I think we may have found a new pitching coach!
by jmike on Jul 8, 2011 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
everyone one is getting cheap hits against the astros and affiliates team
If i were Arnold Rothstein id pay Ryan Braun all the money he
wants to stop going on homer streaks against the poor Astros....
am i the only one?
about what
If i were Arnold Rothstein id pay Ryan Braun all the money he
wants to stop going on homer streaks against the poor Astros....
am i the only one?
ohh wow i saw that, no offense to ranger fans but there out of control up there, but thats really sad
If i were Arnold Rothstein id pay Ryan Braun all the money he
wants to stop going on homer streaks against the poor Astros....
am i the only one?
The guy wasn't even out of control
He leaned over and slipped and fell. So sad.
by Patrick Harrel on Jul 7, 2011 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
wow that's really sad i cant imagine his buddy's or family were having to feel, was he young?
If i were Arnold Rothstein id pay Ryan Braun all the money he
wants to stop going on homer streaks against the poor Astros....
am i the only one?
they said he caught the ball and fell landing head first....thats one of the worst and saddest things ive read in a while
If i were Arnold Rothstein id pay Ryan Braun all the money he
wants to stop going on homer streaks against the poor Astros....
am i the only one?
He had a heart attack on the way in the ambulance.
It was supposedly just him and his son at the game. That’s horrifying for that kid to have to witness that.
Thoughts and prayers with that kid and his family.
aaawwwhh man thats terrible news
If i were Arnold Rothstein id pay Ryan Braun all the money he
wants to stop going on homer streaks against the poor Astros....
am i the only one?
yah that was sad when i read that
If i were Arnold Rothstein id pay Ryan Braun all the money he
wants to stop going on homer streaks against the poor Astros....
am i the only one?
I think Busta mentiond he was going to a rangers game hopefully it wasn't this one
When you ask Carlos Lee what his favorite place to play is, and he anwsers with the words, anywhere with a Buffet. You know theirs a real problem.
by orangeblood kid on Jul 8, 2011 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions
This happened last year as well, but the guy survived
If I remember right, it was also at Rangers Ballpark. What is it with that park and this happening? Maybe they need to improve the railing there for safety purposes.
Regardless, this is a terrible thing.
http://www.crawfishboxes.com
On Good Morning America, they said the deadly fall last year at Rangers Ballpark was only a few days earlier to the year.
by clack on Jul 8, 2011 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Does anyone else here want Brad Mills fired?
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
What's there to gain by firing Mills now?
Another half season, except with no continuity and a still mediocre team (on the whole)?
What's to gain?
How about watching Brett Wallace make some progress against lefties?
Or actually play Matt Downs over Angel Sanchez?
Or perhaps not batting Jason Michaels (who has a pathetic BA of .200 or so) fifth against lefties, above CJ or Downs.
I don’t like his approach, at all.
God forbid we see Brett Wallace face a lefty. Hell, I think anyone with just a left arm right now would send Michaels to the plate in place of Wallace.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Jul 7, 2011 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions
j mike needs to be history, bring up shuck in place of bogusevic and dfa michaels when bourgois comes back, its frightning watching jmike these days
If i were Arnold Rothstein id pay Ryan Braun all the money he
wants to stop going on homer streaks against the poor Astros....
am i the only one?
As I think about it, the fact that Michaels is the only RHB reserve outfielder probably is the real issue.
by clack on Jul 8, 2011 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Shuck is lefthanded. So he is not a candidate for the other half of that platoon situation. If Bourgeois were healthy, he would be better as the LFer than Michaels, because at the least we would see plus defense in LF.
by clack on Jul 8, 2011 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
If have to platoon Wallace
Play Downs at first and keep Lee in leftfield.
Wallace has gotten some starts against lefties—it’s just not enough to satisfy some people. It doesn’t bother me at all. I think it may benefit Wallace.
by clack on Jul 8, 2011 7:39 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
so i got a topic for yall
When do we start the firesale? All star break? Personally I think we move Bourn 1st probly to the braves and then shop guys around. I think Durango is bournes replacement as well as bourgeois. What y’all think?
by YohannDookeyblue on Jul 7, 2011 11:50 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think it depends on the buyers. Some teams are still trying to figure out if they are close enough to contention to become buyers. It seems like the market is slow to develop, which isn’t that unusual. But suppose one team decides to try to get the jump at trading for improvement…it could happen.
by clack on Jul 8, 2011 7:43 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i say if we can get minor or delgado
For bourn we do it. Also vizcaino with that as pastonicky would do also. Just get it done. Set the market then wait for the market to heat up on the rest of our guys. Someone ( phillies) could greatly overpay for pence or even wandy
. But don’t let Atlanta find their leadoff speedster somewhere else and possibly miss out on their dearth of top pitching prospects. … that would SUUUUUUUUUCK. also on phone so typing all crappy… sooosorrrry
by YohannDookeyblue on Jul 8, 2011 12:16 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
A dearth is a scarcity. At least the fans talk about Minor as if he is a treasure. I think Beachy for Hart, a roughly comparable player, was rumored. Beachy has done well, but he’s kind of a guy from nowhere.
"Prince Fielder is too fat even for the Oakland A’s" - Billy Beane
Shit. I knew that. I was tired last night, no sleep./
I promise Im not stupid.
The Braves have a myriad of prime prospect pitchers. <<<< See. There.
by YohannDookeyblue on Jul 8, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
time to throw a huge online party for me, as i am celebrating my 1 year anniversary on tcb!!!!!
If i were Arnold Rothstein id pay Ryan Braun all the money he
wants to stop going on homer streaks against the poor Astros....
am i the only one?
We pronounce it Champ-pain here
For obvious reasons
by Its Gonna Happen on Jul 8, 2011 5:36 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Agree
Those are the ones we need to shop, plus Barmes. Keep Pence (even though he is our highest trade piece.)
by Its Gonna Happen on Jul 8, 2011 5:37 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Why keep Pence?
Our top prospects won’t be up until 2014 or 2015. At that time, Pence may not be in his prime.
Trade him for 2 or 3 B+ or A- prospects.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Jul 8, 2011 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Add Pence to that list and I'm in.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Jul 8, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Barmes
Sportscenter just mentioned him as possible injury replacement for Reyes in fantasy. He’s been hot in July!
If I were the Brewers’ GM, I would have strong interest in trading for Barmes. The Brewers’ infield defense is poor. But I’m not sure that their GM sees it that way.
by clack on Jul 8, 2011 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Prince is having his worst year. I don’t know what’s up with him. Weeks is highlight plays and muffs. He had a classic day yesterday, a 3 run HR, a crappy relay throw that should have got an out and he shanked a bloop that very nearly cost the game. Melvin loves him and the fanbase and media are right behind him. McGehee isn’t having a good year in the field either.
Yuni might be the best infield defender this year. His defense has been better than advertised while his offense has been worse. They’ve got Josh Wilson as the backup along with Counsell. If they were to trade for Barmes, they’d have to cut somebody and I think they see Wilson as next year’s Counsell – able to back up 2nd, SS and 3rd. Well, I guess they could cut Yuni. I’d be really surprised. He just hasn’t been as bad as his reputation and Melvin would aso be admitting a mistake. Suppan, Gagne, Riske, Looper, Davis weren’t mistakes – you get the idea.
"Prince Fielder is too fat even for the Oakland A’s" - Billy Beane
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