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Hinze on the Right Track

It’s no secret that Kody Hinze has absolutely dominated the California League and has nothing left to prove in Lancaster. The season he is having has generated a lot of excitement and speculation about when he will be called up to double A Corpus Christi. The moment many of us have been hoping for has finally occurred. Hinze will likely make his Hooks debut Thursday in Corpus Christi against the Tulsa Drillers. In honor of Hinze’s promotion and rise to relevance, I will take a look at a few current Major League first basemen who also spent a significant amount of time in high A during their age 23 seasons.

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Before this season, Hinze was not an especially exciting prospect. He was an undrafted signee who was a little old for his league, and though he did have a nice season last year in Lexington, his success there really wouldn't mean much if he didn't go on to do what he has done in Lancaster this year. Over the last season and half he has moved his prospect status from roster filler to fringe prospect to top prospect. This year at Lancaster, he is having a Koby Clemens or Jonathan Gaston type Jethawk-campaign.  There is hope, though, that he is not just another product of Lancaster’s park which is extremely favorable to hitters. For one, his home and away stats are nearly identical (he is slightly better on the road). And, as Brian McTaggart reported, he has also shown signs with some of his peripheral stats, namely his ability to draw walks, which lead director of player development, Fred Nelson to believe he has the strike zone recognition and pitch selectivity to excel at the double A level.

Even though Hinze’s promotion to double A moves him from a league where he was a little old to one where he is about the right age, age is still working against the Houston native. Most elite first base prospects make their Major League debut by the time they are 23, if not sooner.  There is some precedence, however, for older power hitting first base prospects making successful jumps into the Major Leagues. When I try to think of successful Major Leaguers who were older prospects, I immediately think of former Astro prospects, Luke Scott and Ben Zobrist.  The careers these two guys have had, considering how old they were when they signed professional contracts, is somewhat amazing. I’m sure there are other examples of guys like Zobrist and Scott. However, at the first base position, it is rare for successful Major Leaguers to get their start after they are 25. Let’s look at a few successful Major League first basemen currently in the league who, like Kody Hinze, spent significant time in high A during their age 23 season.

The first name that comes to mind when thinking about older, dominant first base prospects is Ryan Howard, who first saw significant Major League action midway through his age 25 season. Like Hinze, Howard started his age 23 season in high A ball. Howard also had a monster season in high A but unlike Kody, Howard was not promoted to double A until his age 24 season. When he did get promoted, he continued to dominate and even saw some major league time in the season after his A+ season.  Another interesting thing about the Ryan Howard comparison is that Hinze and Howard had similar age 22 seasons in single A. So, even though Howard was a high draft pick and Hinze was undrafted, their career paths and achievements through their age 23 seasons are very similar. Even if you account for league differences and stadium differences for Hinze in Lancaster and Howard in Clearwater, Hinze has a pretty significant edge when comparing the two players high A seasons. While both Hinze and Howard strikeout a lot, Howard struck out at a higher rate and didn’t walk as much as Hinze has at Lancaster. Howards most dominant minor league season was his age 24 season in which he hit 46 homers and posted a 1.017 OPS between double A, Reading and a short stint in triple AAA, Scranton. It will be interesting to see if Hinze can continue to keep pace with the path that Ryan Howard carved towards Philadelphia. Right now, he is a bit ahead of that curve.

Another first baseman who has had Major League success after dominating high A ball at the age of 23 is Travis Hafner. Hafner, like Howard, spent his entire age 23 season in high A, Charlotte. What is interesting to me about comparing Hafner’s season in Charlotte and Hinze’s numbers in Lancaster is that their success was really boosted by a significantly improved strikeout to walk ratio. In Hafner’s case, the K/BB ratio was improved by Hafner cutting his strikeout rate in half from his previous season in A ball. With Hinze, the strikeouts are coming at a similar rate to what he did last year in Lexington, but he has drawn twice as many walks.  While Kronk struck out less than Hinze when he was in high A, they had similar K/BB ratios which translated to a nice year at AA Tulsa for Hafner and hopefully will help Hinze in his tenure at Corpus.

A more recent example of an older guy finding success at first base is Gaby Sanchez. Last year in his age 26 season, Sanchez beat out the younger prospect Logan Morrison for the first base job and went on to finish 4th in the National League Rookie of the Year Voting.  Like Howard and Hafner, Sanchez spent his entire age 23 season in high A ball. However, though Sanchez had a decent year that year, his season does not compare to the age 23, high A seasons that Hinze, Hafner, and Howard put up. Sanchez is actually more comparable to a different first base prospect for the Astros. If you take age out of the equation, Gaby’s minor league career is pretty similar to Brett Wallace’s. I think this is a comparison that should give Astros fans an idea about the kind of player Wallace can become with time if he continues to develop power.

Mitch Moreland split his age 23 season between high A and double A in the Rangers system.  His OPS dropped 150 points after he was promoted to double A. However, it was still a respectable .861 through  327 at bats and enough for the Rangers to decide to start him off in triple A his age 24 season. Moreland put up similar numbers in triple A and made his way to the Rangers roster. I could see a scenario where Hinze’s OPS take a similar dip but is still high enough to warrant advancing him through the system.

So, there are a few examples of first basemen who played in high A ball when they were 23 and went on to be successful at the Major League level. Sure, there are many examples of guys who dominated in high A ball and then sputtered out along the way. However, something has seemingly clicked with Hinze this year and it has resulted in a much better season than any of the other guys mentioned in this post put up when they were a similar age and at a similar level. It will be exciting to see how Kody handles Texas League pitching. He will be going from an extreme hitters park to one that favors pitchers. However, Hinze’s current home/road splits and propensity for drawing walks lead me to believe he will experience a smooth transition to double A.

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nice write up

The owners remind me of the fat nerdy kid on the block with all of the cool toys. And if you dont let him win he takes his toys and goes home.

by BRASO on Jul 5, 2011 4:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Very good and interesting writeup. Hinze has a very high ceiling, and I think anyone would more than take a Ryan Howard clone. AA will be a very good proving ground for him and his performance over the rest of this season will be a very good gauge of his major league potential.

by Snake Diggity on Jul 5, 2011 4:26 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I agree.

The Hooks will have a lot of my attention this summer

by Brad E on Jul 5, 2011 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice piece

I’m still in “wait and see” mode with Kody as I want to see him succeed at AA ball before I get my hopes up, plus the fact that he was not drafted at all keeps creeping back into my mind. I mean, Piazza was at least drafted in the filler rounds. So, Kody has the odds against him.

With that said, I’m not worried about Hinze’ age at all. For starters, first base is a premium power position and most kids do not develop the necessary power to hold the position down until later in their career. Sure, there are the Prince Fielders of the world, but if you looked at Joey Votto’s (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=votto-001jos) Jim Thome’s (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=thome-001jam) or Adrian Gonzales’ (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=gonzal001adr) stats, you would never know they would end up being the mashers they are today.

Second, it’s fairly cheap to sign a guy that is limited with the glove, but can rake. Look at people like Thome, Matt Stairs, Adam Laroche and Adam Dunn. Guys that can hit some serious bombs and are almost viewed as a commodity. These guys are fairly cheap compared to players up the middle or pitching in general, so there is no rush to push these kids through the system when there is a decent guy in place at the MLB level until they are ready to step in and produce powers numbers required of the position.

by Raidas77 on Jul 5, 2011 4:49 PM CDT reply actions  

“I’m still in "wait and see" mode with Kody as I want to see him succeed at AA ball before I get my hopes up, plus the fact that he was not drafted at all keeps creeping back into my mind. I mean, Piazza was at least drafted in the filler rounds. So, Kody has the odds against him.”

Piazza wasn’t drafted until the 62nd round of the ’88 draft. Recently, there have only been 50 rounds. If there had only been 50 rounds in ’88, Piazza might not have been drafted. Or vice versa if there had been 60+ rounds in ’08, Hinze may have been drafted.

Plus, Hinze was drafted in the 46th round of the 2005 draft by the Pirates. He just didn’t sign then.

by Matt McDougle on Jul 6, 2011 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Check out this scouting report of him in high school.

It’s actually pretty awesome and describes exactly what has happened this year. I don’t know what happened between then and the end of his college days, but it looks like he had this type of potential.

by MadMartygan on Jul 6, 2011 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

you have to scroll down to the 2003 profile.

by MadMartygan on Jul 6, 2011 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh did it not show the scouting report of him? It’s at the bottom of the page.

by MadMartygan on Jul 6, 2011 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hinze is a strong power hitter that showed some unique hitting traits at his age. At 6 foot tall he has a thick 220 pound frame and uses all of it when he swings the wood. He used an open stance and closes up to the ball as he gets the bat through the zone with Major League bat-speed. He showed Big League power and fast hands. The ball came off his bat extremely fast. He hits with a professional approach of knows how to swing it against strong pitching. In the field he showed a good arm at first base and good mobility and light feet for a big guy. He can afford to improve his body composition a little. He runs the bases OK for a big power hitting first baseman. He needs to be followed because his bat could turn him into one of the top power guys in the 2005 class.

by MadMartygan on Jul 6, 2011 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah he looked a little doughy, haha. I believe that was him as a 16 year old.

by MadMartygan on Jul 6, 2011 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's still a big guy

But he does look to be in at least a bit better shape. I can’t see him even being an average defensive 1B though.

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by OremLK on Jul 6, 2011 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Awesome awesome analysis.

So excited for what’s going on in Corpus. It would be so nice for Kody Hinze to blossom into a middle of the lineup bat at the pro level.

He would become the story of the guy that made it all the way to the top from nothing like Piazza.

by Irish Pete on Jul 5, 2011 5:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Thanks for giving us some interesting comps to think about

Hinze might be one of those guys who will just need a big league oppurtunity to open up in a year or two. He might not be the most highly touted prospect, but he could be a late bloomer who surprises everyone.

by pacbellpilgrim on Jul 5, 2011 5:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Hinze

Definitely good to see him promoted. Hopefully he can keep up the good season. AA is really the make or break level for most prospects.

Also, reassuring to compare Hinze to those comparables. The limitation with that list, however, is that it doesn’t show the players who had big years in A+ at a similar age and wound up flaming out.

by jmike on Jul 5, 2011 6:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Nice to see. Hopefully he turns into a guy that could maybe even push wallace out the door

or make him expendable and we could trade him for a few prospects in a year or 2

Firesale! Everyone must go!

by astrosfan1989 on Jul 5, 2011 6:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Ketchup will just dominate!

It would be nice if Nash can progress and we can see both of them on the ML team at once! I guess Nash would have to play LF? Although Ketchup looks athletic enough to play more than just 1st but I’m assuming there’s a reason he doesn’t.

by Its Gonna Happen on Jul 5, 2011 7:43 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I’m glad that Hinze was promoted, and I hope he can be as good as one of those comps. But I will hold back on the over-enthusiasm at this point. Hinze’s Lancaster stats are nearly identical to Koby Clemens at Lancaster…and at the same age. I think the odds are 50-50 that he has a similar result at AA. At least Hinze has somewhat higher BB% and lower K% rates at Lancaster, compared to Clemens. That could be a good sign.

by clack on Jul 5, 2011 10:07 PM CDT reply actions  

very similar season to Clemens. But he has walked twice as much as Clemens did…but has also struck out at a higher clip. It would not be devastating (obviously not Howardesque but pretty similar to Moreland’s AA OPS) if Hinze put up a similar OPS to the one Clemens put up in CC. But it would be disapointing if he put up a similar OPS in OKC to the one Clemens is producing this year.

by Brad E on Jul 5, 2011 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, the difference in their BB/K

Plus Hinze having a bit better of a previous track record, makes me more optimistic about Hinze as he moves up. Also, Hinze never repeated a level for a full season—Clemens repeated basically a full season of A+ after a lackluster showing the previous year.

Also, Kody Hinze has been hitting a lot more homers per plate appearance than Clemens did. Clemens relied more on BABIP for his power numbers. And, to be fair, Clemens’ power is fairly legitimate, he just strikes out far too much and doesn’t walk enough to make up for it, which is less likely to be a big problem for Hinze.

http://www.crawfishboxes.com

by OremLK on Jul 6, 2011 1:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think he just didn't get all that much playing time

Remember he was signed as an undrafted FA.

http://www.crawfishboxes.com

by OremLK on Jul 6, 2011 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

hooked on phonics

i for im a fan of Mills and company…but with the way the farm system keeps copying the big club, its showing how inept these coaches are with their bull pin arms…CC 7-3 lead pulling the SP and allowing 3HRs to drop 8-7 in the top of the 9th…looks like all the clubs have a problem in this area.

by tqp7 on Jul 7, 2011 10:37 PM CDT reply actions  

sorry 9-7 no outs and counting

by tqp7 on Jul 7, 2011 10:38 PM CDT reply actions  

lee to indians for run at the WS

with the astros history of retail players and the depletion of the system shouldnt they try and send someone off for that ring and get some kidz in return.
of course C. Lee wont bring back top 50 or even top 100 talent, but what about potential players that are young and have a chance to develop with this team. here are a few names that have shown promise in the Indians system:
Pitchers: Jeanmar Gomez, Scott Barnes, Kelvin De La Cruz, Mike Rayl
Position Players with Pop: Jesus Aguilar 1B/3B, Adam Abraham 3B/1B
and my personal favorite to be a pesky hitter: Tony Wolters 2B/SS
all players are at or above A-ball excluding Wolters
what do you guys think about Lee+ money for 1 or 2 of these players??

by tqp7 on Jul 8, 2011 12:50 AM CDT reply actions  

I don’t see it happening. Lee would have to be hitting more HRs than he has to be attractive to other teams. And the amount of money of cash that the Astros would have to pay would be so large, that it’s unlikely.

by clack on Jul 8, 2011 7:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

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