Houston Astros Trade Michael Bourn To Braves For Four Minor Leaguers
by David Coleman on Jul 31, 2011 10:15 AM CDT
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PrintJust as I'm getting out of church, I check Twitter, only to find the Astros have done something that immediately makes me curse. Sorry, God. A deal that many thought dead seemed to come together quickly this morning, as the Atlanta Braves added Astros center fielder Michael Bourn for four minor leaguers.
Who did the Astros get? Center fielder Jordan Schaefer (who's already failed in a couple big league trials), left-handed pitcher Brett Oberhelzer and right-handers Juan Abreu and Paul Clemens. That's right, none of the big four pitchers from the Braves were included. Not even Randall Delgado, who ranks at the bottom of those top 4.
This is ridiculous and should cost Ed Wade his job. Granted, I'm reacting in the heat of the moment when I say that, but if the Astros were going to trade their best player (Bourn) to a team that desperately needed him (Braves) AND they had the leverage of having Bourn under team control for another year, why make a deal when you don't get an impact prospect? It's mind-boggling. Wade had leverage and basically wasted it.
Some of you will argue that this return isn't bad, that the Astros got some interesting arms, etc., etc. I'm sure they did. Oberhelzer in particular looks like a nice addition and the other guys throw hard. I'd counter that by bringing up the impact player scenario. The Braves got the best player in this deal and they may have gotten the player with the highest ceiling too.
I'll have a little more detailed reaction after I digest things, but for right now, I'm going on record with my anger. The Astros got a terrible deal here. Terrible. Whoever takes over this team is going to be in an even worse situation than the Astros were in at the beginning of 2011, because they now have only one or two legitimate big leaguers in their lineup every day (sorry, Jose and J.D).
You know what this trade reminds me of? The Miguel Tejada deal Wade did with the Orioles. Houston gave up a bunch of prospects for Tejada, but none of those guys really panned out, with the exception of Luke Scott to an extent. I don't even think Schafer can be as good as Scott has been for the O's. This is what we're supposed to get excited about?
Since I've now lost all objectivity, let's throw it to you guys and gals. Is this the worst trade Ed Wade has pulled off with the Astros? Is this one of the worst five trades in the past 10 years for the franchise? Can I be any more over-the-top? (Yes, yes and yes are my answers).
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Remember the Lidge/Bourn deal?
It took a couple of years for the deal to swing from being lopsided to being more even.
The fact of the matter is that just about every player acquired this weekend is NOT MLB ready, and won’t be for another 2-3 years, so it’s just too hard to give a judgement call on the trade right now.
If, in 2015, everyone from these lists have flamed out, the Astros clearly lose, but if one or two become big stars, and another two to three become solid contributors, I think the Astros win long term.
by ToyCannon on Jul 31, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The difference is that not every player has the same chance of becoming a star. That’s why people are disappointed. When the Bourn-Lidge trade went down everyone knew that Bourn had the potential to become an excellent leadoff hitter with great defense. On the contrary, the guys in this trade are expected to become back of the rotation starters or fourth outfielders. The expectation of potential isn’t there.
I have no problem with the Pence trade, and will give it time to shake out. The Bourn trade is completely different.
by seanbergmanrules on Jul 31, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Technically, the same is true about Schafer
Regarding the “potential to become an excellent leadoff hitter with great defense” part. Hope is fading for that, but he’s only 24, and it’s still within the realm of possibility.
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I don't really care about MLB ready.
This team is I dont know… at least 5 years away? (Now probably more)
There is nothing to get excited about. The only thing I was getting excited about before was the moment when we traded Bourn and Pence and … well Bourn and Pence… so that we could upgrade our farm system to something better than DEAD LAST. The Pence deal was ok. I like Singleton and Cosart but the rest of the deal is worthless. Plus we should have gotten Singleton last year in the Oswalt deal anyways but of course we were weak then too. And I think we should have gotten more than just those two as legitimate pieces. But this is horrid. The worst part is I find out in the email sent by the astros saying “Astros acquire four Top Braves Prospects.” WHAT? TOP? Are you stupid? The only thing I see in our future is… 4 straight years of 1st overall picks? Hopefully Crane will actually spend money on the draft and not be a waste where we waste our 1st overall pick on a 5th rounder to save a couple hundred thousand. Sorry my venting is over now. The padres got Better prospects for a freaking SETUP MAN. We traded one of the best centerfielders in the league for this crap.
by forloveofthegam3 on Jul 31, 2011 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
The Jason Jennings deal was by far the worst thing ever. Well, for this past decade.
Even though none of those guys turned out to be really good…
i tell the truth; i lie a lot
I was getting really excited
When the Pence trade went through, I was sad…but since we actually got a good return, I thought, “Wow, Wade finally gets it.”
And now, with this…I’m back to wanting to punch Wade in the neck.
by Mr. Imperial on Jul 31, 2011 10:26 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Schafer was suspended for a banned substance...
Great. Just what we need: Ed Wade trades for another cheat in the system.
It was not proven
It was never proven that Schafer tested positive, it was very “shady” suspension. Schafer and Oberhelzer are the main players but Clemons is solid back end guy, Schafer has star potential.
by atlbravesfn12 on Jul 31, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
where there’s smoke there’s fire.
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by Timothy De Block on Jul 31, 2011 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I recall some conversation about this case a couple of years ago, but after looking it up, I agree that it is an odd HGH suspension. Schafer never tested positive for HGH nor was he ever caught buying HGH. (Obviously he never tested positive because there is no MLB test for HGH.) Neither MLB nor Schafer will discuss the case. Schafer denied the claim. There is some informed speculation that this is an instance of a suspension based on the MLB PED hotline. Anonymous persons can report PED violations to MLB through the hotline. MLB players can appeal suspensions based upon hotline “tips” to a hearing process. But minor league players do not have a similar hearing process, but they can request that the commissioner listen to their side of the story.
I have no idea if Schafer used HGH, but I have to say that I learned something about MLB PED investigations I didn’t know.
by clack on Jul 31, 2011 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well MLB does not do blood tests
and as far as I am aware there are not other reliable ways to test for HGH so it would not have been a test.
I wouldn't give up on Schafer
Even with his nightmarish year, he was still on track to be better than a 2 WAR player this year. If he can have a BA turnaround, he has the potential to be a very good starting CF.
by Patrick Harrel on Jul 31, 2011 10:32 AM CDT reply actions
Horrible trade
People in the ATL love this trade and can’t believe that they had to give nothing up.
Brett Oberhelzer is the only interesting name in this deal to me, but he is not a front line starter and of course Wade had to make sure he got his reliever in the deal.
Let’s try to look on the bright side: Maybe Barnett can turn Schafer around and get him going in the bigs. If I remember correctly, at one time he was a top prospect for the Braves.
Unbelievable.
What a terrible trade.
How can we not even get Delgado?!
Ridiculous.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
This trade also makes it clear to all other GMs that Wade is bluffing, and absolutely will blink if you stick to your guns and refuse to include top prospects.
by seanbergmanrules on Jul 31, 2011 10:37 AM CDT reply actions
yeah, Wade is now saying that the Astros have to get top prospects for Wandy….but would you bet on that?
by clack on Jul 31, 2011 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rosenthal reports that the Astros say they will only accept “impact prospects” for Wandy.
by clack on Jul 31, 2011 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
that means a good RP
right? Wandy’s contract makes him a long term negative to many teams.
by auclairkeithbc on Jul 31, 2011 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Ed Wade
Is Ed Wade the Rick Smith or baseball? Ed likes relievers and Rick likes cornerbacks.
Schafer almost 25
Not much upside left there. And, he’s not a very likeable player either, for whatever that is worth.
by pacbellpilgrim on Jul 31, 2011 10:38 AM CDT reply actions
lol - guess I should have a reason right?
How about this – best known for being a failed prospect (from 2009).
Looks kinda funny.
by pacbellpilgrim on Jul 31, 2011 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
A helluva lot more upside than Bourgeois, Bogusevic, Shuck. I think it’s fine because a good defensive CFer has a good amount of value even if their offense is erratic or spotty. Even if his offense doesn’t become what people thought it would be at one time, defensive CFers like this command $3 – $5 million on the free agent market. So there is some value there. And there is chance that the offense comes around.
by clack on Jul 31, 2011 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
More upside than those guys
But we didn’t just acquire those guys for our star centerfielder.
by pacbellpilgrim on Jul 31, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Bourn was 25 his first year with us
Look at what he’s done since improvement-wise.
by Patrick Harrel on Jul 31, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Hats off to Wade if Schafer becomes the next Bourn
I’m skeptical though.
by pacbellpilgrim on Jul 31, 2011 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Difference is
Bourn had some good seasons in the minors with around a .330 BABIP which is a little high but reasonable… he also had some success in limited time in the majors with around the same BABIP.
Schafer has only had success in the minors when his BABIP is higher than .350 and he has never had success in the majors.
I am not high on him but I feel a little better about him now than I did earlier. I just hope he was not a player that we acquired at the expense of higher ceiling talent in the low minors.
Wade went for quantity, and maybe he got a little quality back in the deal. Oberholtzer has better numbers than Keuchel does at AA, so that’s a plus. Paul Clemens also has a 7.7 k/9 and a decent era. If he has plus stuff maybe he’s decent. Juan Abreu looks good as a reliever. He’s older but has an incredible strikeout rate. I don’t know what to say about Schafer. The guy never hit that great in the minors either. I’m not for sure if he’s the answer for center.
As far as Oberholtzer and Clemens go, they weren’t the best that the Braves had, but if you look at our AA club those two are better than the guys we have at that level.
by conroestro on Jul 31, 2011 10:45 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Jordan Schafer
Bourn’s offense was also not all that great at first, but he continued to work hard and improved every year. I would say Michael Bourn upside for Schafer is a reach, but if his bat comes around then maybe.
by conroestro on Jul 31, 2011 10:51 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
I just don't know.
My reaction was the same as David’s, but I’m wondering if there really was an opportunity to obtain any more than he did. Bourn is a 1-season rental, and figures to be really expensive next season. Then he hits free agency, and Boras is sure to use his NL-leading steals totals of the past few years and defensive metrics to get him something along the lines of a 6-year, $75M deal, which would be absurd.
My thought is that other GM’s know all that and were I in their shoes, I’m not sure I’d part with any top prospects either. Bourn for Teheran straight up is probably a win for the Astros, and the Braves were not going to do that.
Astros fans love to hate Wade, but I’m not sure he could have done much better than this for Bourn. At least Schafer (ick) has a pedigree as a top-50 prospect, but he’s no more than a placeholder for Springer. He may even be the 4th OF behind Martinez and Bougeois.
A couple of the pitchers have decent-not-star upside and good velocity, and in a 4-for-1 deal, I’m not sure we can realistically expect a better return.
It’s a pretty “blah” deal, but if we were really expecting a player back with star-level upside, we were deluding ourselves.
yeah
my estimation on dollars were probalby a little high, but Bourn is younger than Figgins was when he took his deal. I don’t think he’s taking anything less than 5 years. They say “Speed doesn’t age”. A while back BP did an article about how Boras clients on average are paid more than all other players. Bourn will get more money than he’s worth, you can count on it.
So is corpus's rotation going to be:
Cosart, Oberholtzer, Clemens and Kuechel?
Are they still in the playoff hunt? Could be a good time to be a hooks fan.
No kidding wish I lived in Corpus.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 31, 2011 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
If Wade felt like the new owner’s mandates are pressuring him to get rid of Bourn’s future salary no matter what, maybe that provides some excuse for a disappointing trade return. Otherwise, yes, I wanted more for Bourn and would have been willing to keep him if the Astros didn’t get that kind of value. I was fearful that Bourn would be traded for less than top dollar return.
This trade seems more like the types of trades that the Pirates have done over the past few years, with the kind of return they got for their top position players like Bay, McLouth, and Sanchez.
by clack on Jul 31, 2011 10:52 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Must be the world of prospects now or Ed Wade’s incompetence.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 31, 2011 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
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by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 31, 2011 10:53 AM CDT reply actions
I felt like breaking something when I heard about the return.
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by Timothy De Block on Jul 31, 2011 10:54 AM CDT reply actions
Looks like Oberholtzer and Clemens are both solid pitchers, and should be up by next year,
but we should have gotten one of the Braves’ top pitchers.
We basically caved for this deal.
Complete sham.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
Meh.
I don’t know why you guys keep flipping out over Ed Wade. As soon as the owners approve the sale to Crane, he’s as good as fired. Ed Wade is on borrowed time.
by Kenneth Noisewater, Md. on Jul 31, 2011 10:56 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
True, but IMO, the only thing the Astros can do is build the farm system. I think it’s irrelevant right now who they get for the MLB club.
He’s not doing a terrible job in getting prospects back. The MLB club is so terrible, I don’t think it matters whose added to it.
by Kenneth Noisewater, Md. on Jul 31, 2011 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Plus with this farm system every new prospect is probably better than the guy they
will be replacing soon.
I don’t want the farm system to be better. I want it to be good.
by seanbergmanrules on Jul 31, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
We sign Springer and Armstrong
and we might crack the top 15.. but I suspect we will be sitting in the 15-20 range and deserve it…
yeah tough to say
losing altuve and j.d. martinez hurts a bit.
by auclairkeithbc on Jul 31, 2011 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Without Martinez and Altuve
In the back end of the top 20 farm systems, yes. Getting the first overall pick next year should help, although by then more promotions may have happened, so we will see.
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It's a bad deal, David, but not a terrible one
We all view Bourn as being as good as or better than Pence, but it’s important to remember that other teams probably do not. He wasn’t even getting much trade interest until last night. So with that said, his actual market value was probably approximately “Bourn for Delgado, straight up”.
I would have much preferred that kind of trade.
Instead, Wade went for quantity and got back a whole pack of high end C+/low end B- types who are close to the majors (and I would put 24-year old Schafer in that category as well even though he’s no longer a prospect). Similar value in the form of less impressive names.
My guess is he’s trusting his scouts to find him undervalued players here instead of going for a consensus top prospect. I don’t like it because I don’t trust him to pinpoint which assets are undervalued. This isn’t Daryl Morey, it’s Ed Wade.
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by OremLK on Jul 31, 2011 10:56 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
We'll hopefully have a version of Morey next year:
Andrew Friedman.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Jul 31, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Im thinking Wade is loking at this trade as improving the pen in hopes that we have a bit more
success next year with a younger starting rotation.
I wouldve liked Bourn for Delgado too.
But Wade had casual fans in mind. As in “Braves acquire Bourn for a minor leaguer” OR “Braves acquire Bourn for four minor leaguers” Sounds better.
……Or they never even offered Delgado and Wade caved.
Terrible trade.
by YohannDookeyblue on Jul 31, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes but Wade had all of the leverage
It doesn’t matter how good Bourne is relative to Pence. Atlanta needed him and we had him. There was a deadline looming and he isn’t just a rental. Ed failed to get ANY of the Braves top prospects. Schafer is a .223 hitter
Seems like Wade made the deal that HE could make.
Bourn would either be traded now or in the off-season, right? Wade probably thinks (justifiably) that he’s not going to be the GM in the off-season. So maybe he just made the deal he could make now, rather than leaving that honor for his successor. Thanks again, Mr. Ed!
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by Austin Astroholic on Jul 31, 2011 10:56 AM CDT reply actions
So where does all of these pitchers go.
Corpus rotation is Keuchel, Oberholtzer, Clemens, Sosa, and Cosart. What happens to Seaton.
Maybe they promote Sosa, or one of the new guys they just got from the Braves.
by conroestro on Jul 31, 2011 10:57 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Good question, guessing one gets sent down. Could be Cosart if he doesn’t start off well.
Maybe Keuchel goes to AAA, where Astro players go to die.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 31, 2011 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
One of them goes to AAA or the majors
My money’s on Keuchel or Sosa being promoted to AAA. Majors if Wandy does get dealt (which I doubt).
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4 hours and still haven’t discussed money. I don’t see it happening either.
Do you think sending them down to Lancaster would be counterproductive?
Good point, Guydude.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 31, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Through 3 trades, Astros get:
SP:
Jarred Cosart
Henry Sosa
Paul Clemens
Brett Oberholtzer
RP:
Juan Abreu
Jason Stoffel
Josh Zeid
1B: Jonathan Singleton
CF: Jordan Schafer
1 player to be named later
Notice how many players we got whose names started with a J.
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My current grades on these prospects
Cosart B+
Singleton B+
Clemens B-
Oberholtzer B-
Abreu C+
Zeid C+
Sosa C+
Stoffel C
I’ll have to research/think some more on Clemens through Stoffel because I’m not sure on those grades. Just kind of a gut reaction
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Sickels recently downgraded
Zeid from a C+ to a likely C. He’s definitely had a weak overall season, but a very nice stretch in relief recently. Not sure if John is dismissing that small sample size or overlooking it.
by auclairkeithbc on Jul 31, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm going more off recent scouting reports with Zeid
I trust Sickels more than many prospect analysts, but I think one slight flaw in his analysis is that he puts too much emphasis on ERA for pitching prospects. Zeid’s numbers look a lot better if you ignore the ERA , which is basically what you should be doing with MiLB pitchers in my opinion.
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Well like I said
His overall season has not been good at all, looking at peripherals. But he’s been on a hot stretch that has coincided with a move to the pen, so it is tough to know how much credit to give that very small sample. I am optimistic though. Actually in a fantasy trade recently, I traded for De Fratus, who I wanted the Astros to get, but I’m thinking now Zeid could be better.
by auclairkeithbc on Jul 31, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Well
If you think of him as a starter, those K/BB numbers look like, whatever, decent. Little over 2:1 ratio with an okay (nothing special) strikeout rate. K/BB is mostly what I’m going to be looking at. Ignoring the ERA, I don’t see any glaring red flags in his numbers is I guess what I’m getting at. Then you look at what he’s done as a reliever (SSS though like you said) but much more importantly some positive scouting reports suggesting mid-90s heat and that’s enough for me to tack on the plus.
Whatever though, he’s relief depth for a system which could use some, but not an impact prospect by any means.
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Yeah I like him
Just adding something to the discussion. I am exciting about his potential. He is probably already our best relief prospect.
by auclairkeithbc on Jul 31, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Also...
…if we do get Bonilla (that’s looking a lot more important now) then I’d rate him a strong B-
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I'd give Zeid a B- and Singleton an A-.
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by bone31crusher on Jul 31, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Zeid a B- off of potential, rather than production.
Though, a C+ is probably more accurate.
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close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Jul 31, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Would definitely counteract with the difference in trades comparing both Pence and Bourn.
Pence gave us guys who project with lower floors to be above average major leaguers, where Bourn gave us high floor arms who project to have average ceilings.
Not a terrible idea by Wade, but I wish he would go down the high ceiling route more.
Good grades though.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 31, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Giants fan here
Stoffel is much, much better than Sosa.
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I could easily see flipping their rankings
I’m being influenced by the fact that Sosa has the better fastball and is more likely to remain a starting pitcher—and his results are pretty damn good as a starter this year.
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Sosa is 25 and in AA. If he had any future as a major league contributor, he would be in the big leagues by now. I think Stoffel will become a decent middle reliever and Sosa will languish in the minors.
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I would have been shocked if got a top 4 SP or Salcedo
But even still, I don’t think these 4 are really too close to being the next 4 I’d want. Quite a disappointing deal, even for someone that has been pessimistic overall about the Astros trade potential. It makes me wonder who Wade actually asked for. Were these the guys Wade really was high on, or did the Braves offer some spare parts and Wade finally went for it.
For me, I’d say the total return from both Pence and Bourn is actually better than what should have been expected in my mind anyway, but that is only because we got such a great return for Pence (that was more of a win than this is a loss).
by auclairkeithbc on Jul 31, 2011 11:02 AM CDT reply actions
jcrasnick Jerry Crasnick
Talked to scout who thinks #Astros did ‘OK’ in Bourn deal. He called Oberholzer a ‘Randy Wolf type’ & Clemens a ‘strong-armed kid.’ #braves
I love how all the scouts think Houston does well, but the majority of “baseball writers” always denounce the moves.
Something tells me baseball writers know very little about what they are talking about.
Most of us here probably have more knowledge than some of these guys.
Not talking about people like Keith Law, with actual scouting backgrounds. He knows what he is talking about, even if he is disagreeable with at times.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 31, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
100% agree
That writers generally know almost nothing about prospects.
by auclairkeithbc on Jul 31, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Or writing, in a lot of cases.
"He walked 18."
"New league record!"
"Struck out 18."
"Another new league record! In addition he hit the sportswriter, the public address announcer, the bull mascot twice...also new league records! But, Joe, this guy's got some serious shit."
It sounds like you guys are in serious talks with the Yankees for Wandy Rodriguez
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they are talking about it on MLB Network
Heyman, Rosenthal and Gammons are there
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by mathisrocks5 on Jul 31, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Wade did do alright last year against the Yankees, so I will still hold out some hope.
by seanbergmanrules on Jul 31, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
which thread is the new thread for all the tlak
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 31, 2011 11:11 AM CDT reply actions
I guess Demon Betances for Wandy is not an option. Wonder if the Yankees are dissappointed they missed out on Ubaldo.
by conroestro on Jul 31, 2011 11:15 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Red Sox pitching has sucked this year, a red sox fan in my family told me
I wonder if a bidding war will come down between New York & Boston.
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wade should just say to the team that loses,
ok you can have myers
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 31, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
Astros would have to eat huge chunk of Wandy Rodriguez contract to make a deal with the Yankees. #trades
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 31, 2011 11:12 AM CDT reply actions
if they can get Betances and Banuelos
id do the deal
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by mathisrocks5 on Jul 31, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
We won’t get either of them.
I doubt we get more than one out of their top 10.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 31, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Joelsherman1 Joel Sherman
#Astros r surprised by little Wandy interest. 1 team that called said, "we have no indication they’re willing to include a lot of $$"
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 31, 2011 11:15 AM CDT reply actions
NYY and NYM guy
longtime baseball contacts..
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
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easy way to keep track of stuff… hard to ahve to listen to too much bullshit at 140 characters at a time
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
He won't get dealt
He’s a good number two starter, but teams just don’t see it that way. Their loss. Keep him, let him anchor our rotation for the next couple years.
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by OremLK on Jul 31, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
we need to be paying to get prospects. We’re going to be paying him if we don’t trade him. May as well throw in money and try to get something. Although I don’t really trust Wade. How much better of a position would we have been in if Wade didn’t hand out stupid contract extensions last off season
I'd rather save the money honestly
Remember 28M (or whatever he’s owed the next two years) isn’t doing the Astros any good over the next two years as we won’t be very competitive. IFF we are going to re-invest that money either into the minors to sign a big time player a couple years from now, that is better for us.
The increase in prospect from taking on that salary won’t be worth it. Think about it. Let’s say we pay half his salary going forward…that is 14M. What kind of prospects can we pay overslot in the draft for that kind of extra money? Much better use than getting a pretty good prospect (it won’t be a TOP guy anyway).
by auclairkeithbc on Jul 31, 2011 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
I smell bull shit here...hoefully thats all it is
AndrewMarchand Andrew Marchand
It was awhile back, but a Yankee person I spoke to wasn’t that high on Wandy. #Yankees
that looks like Jake Peavy’s delivery
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by Timothy De Block on Jul 31, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Are you a girl/woman? Just wondering. It’s hard to tell based on usernames.
by Stupendous Man on Jul 31, 2011 11:34 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
He's no Chris Paul
But decent eyes, yes.
by seanbergmanrules on Jul 31, 2011 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, sorry. Just with all of the fluffy cat pictures, and saying stuff like guys having cute eyes, I thought you MIGHT be a girl, but I had assumed you were a guy in the first place. Didn’t mean to imply anything or insult you in any way, my bad.
by Stupendous Man on Jul 31, 2011 7:05 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Via twiiter
@onebluejaysway: Hearin Wandy Rodriguez to Yanks is done; hope they gave up Monteto and one of Betances/Banuelos for a guy who’s gonna get rocked in AL East
by Patrick Harrel on Jul 31, 2011 11:18 AM CDT reply actions
who the hell is that?
Minor League Ball's 2010 Rookie of the Year Poster
If you didn't know by now, my screen name is sarcastic
by mathisrocks5 on Jul 31, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
LMAO
jcrasnick Jerry Crasnick
One scout on #RedSox’ late surprise over Harden’s questionable medicals: "Have they heard about the Titanic?’’ #OaklandAs #trades
jonmorosi Jon Morosi
Source: #Astros and #Yankees discussed Wandy Rodriguez as recently as this morning
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 31, 2011 11:22 AM CDT reply actions
guys its okay we already have our next star
Hogue
Need I say more? World series on the way
Karate? The Dane Cook of martial arts?
by Rocket94 on Jul 31, 2011 11:22 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Is there a 5th player we got for Bourn?
They said we did on SportsCenter
it says 5-player deal
bourn + 4 players from braves
Ahhh
Wishful thinking I guess. I was hoping they included Roger Dorn
5 player trade
4 to us, 1 to atl
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 31, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Funny but OUCH
kristieAP profile
kristieAP Just pulled up to Minute Maid Park and it is still here. Guess Wade couldn’t get enough prospects to trade it
alysonfooter Alyson Footer
Astros call up OF Luis Durango from OKC. He’ll be in Houston tomorrow.
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 31, 2011 11:24 AM CDT reply actions
richardjustice Richard Justice
“We inherited a pretty barren farm system, and we’re paying the price for it.”—Astros GM Ed Wade.
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
I give respect to Wade about not complaining all the time about his situation.
Rarely, did I ever hear him comment about how terrible his situation really was.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 31, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Altuve!
Minor League Ball's 2010 Rookie of the Year Poster
If you didn't know by now, my screen name is sarcastic
by mathisrocks5 on Jul 31, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Damn, and I thought I’d gotten rid of my stomach problems…
"He walked 18."
"New league record!"
"Struck out 18."
"Another new league record! In addition he hit the sportswriter, the public address announcer, the bull mascot twice...also new league records! But, Joe, this guy's got some serious shit."
Gonna miss the game today
unless there’s a stream somewhere
Pretty sure It'll be a blackout
I live in the beaumont area
by danielcp0303 on Jul 31, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
richardjustice Richard Justice
“It’s not a fire sale.”—Astros GM Ed Wade.
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
its not?
Minor League Ball's 2010 Rookie of the Year Poster
If you didn't know by now, my screen name is sarcastic
by mathisrocks5 on Jul 31, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
I feel sick.
Is there anything we can do to Ed Wade that is worse than firing him?
by vicious-peanut on Jul 31, 2011 11:35 AM CDT reply actions
I think he is doing a good job
He is realizing you can’t make lemonade with rotten lemons.
Time to plant new lemon trees so the lemons will be better quality in the future.
/\__/\
(=^_^=)
The return we got for Bourn was pitiful. Oberhelzer looks nice, but Bourn was worth so much more.
by vicious-peanut on Jul 31, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Since lemons contain sugar if they were rotten
couldn’t we ferment then distill them and produce alcohol. Given that (IMO)we only got two pieces back of any worth in the Bourn trade, and neither of them are great prospects, I think alcohol would be more useful than lemonade.
richardjustice Richard Justice
“If we stay course, the end result will be so substantial that fans will understand why we had to go through it.”—Astros GM Ed Wade.
richardjustice Richard Justice
“The plan we have right now dovetails with what (Jim Crane’s) expectations are.”—Astros GM Ed Wade.
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
NYYankeesLatest NY Yankees news
Yankees aiming to acquire Astros lefty Wandy Rodriguez (NBC Sports) http://bit.ly/qowDkF
/\__/\
(=^_^=)
Cash
I really hope we don’t pay any salary after 2011. We aren’t getting a good prospect anyway. If we chip in 10M+, we’ll only be getting weak upgrades in prospects. I’d rather use that 10M elsewhere.
by auclairkeithbc on Jul 31, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I have a bad feeling we get dog shit in return for Wandy. Amaro really did us a solid by sending us Cosart and Singleton…he probably could have persuaded Wade to take less, based on the Bourn trade.
by Stupendous Man on Jul 31, 2011 11:41 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
and carlos makes like 3 times that
and spends about that much on donuts
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 31, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
First rec since the rec debacle last night.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 31, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
That much...a day.
"He walked 18."
"New league record!"
"Struck out 18."
"Another new league record! In addition he hit the sportswriter, the public address announcer, the bull mascot twice...also new league records! But, Joe, this guy's got some serious shit."
I have no idea
That money is nice though.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 31, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
someone just woke up
jonmorosi Jon Morosi
#Astros announce they have sent cash to #Braves in Bourn deal.
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 31, 2011 11:41 AM CDT reply actions
yeah fine i guess
figured it wouldn’t be too much. but now that is 3M we’ve shipped away. how much to sign those late round gambles from the draft?
by auclairkeithbc on Jul 31, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
The guy has never even been average in AAA.
by MadMartygan on Jul 31, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Schafer looks like he is what he is...
I expect nothing better than what he has already shown in the majors really… certainly never a respectable OBP.
bourgeous is so much better than schafer who is a lifetime 258 minor league average
somebody tell me what ed see’s in him
Was a top 50 propsect 2 years ago
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
When I was kid and the Astros traded Glenn Davis I got so mad I quit watching them and didn’t start watching again until they traded for Bagwell.
I think I’m at that point again. Pence trade was ok (2 Top 50 guys according to ESPN) but the Bourne trade was disaster.
This team will be lucky to average 18K in attendance in 2012. There is not a single reason for the average fan to go to the game. Remember everyone here is interested in the young guys and minor league but the average fan is my wife who loves going to the games and watching on TV but doesn’t care about the minors.
She just said,“Cancel the 20 game plan” They are unwatchable
ehhh not bad?
jonmorosi Jon Morosi
Source says “50/50” chance of Wandy Rodriguez trade. #Yankees among teams involved. #Astros
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 31, 2011 11:49 AM CDT reply actions
Is he seriously John Edwards or something?
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 31, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
I can't handle another Ed Wade trade.
I seriously want to roll up into a little ball and die.
by vicious-peanut on Jul 31, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
#astros trying to get down to $60M. so desperate to move wandy. should not have signed him to big extension. #oops
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 31, 2011 11:52 AM CDT reply actions
desperate bcz. new owner...
had they been in contention ppl would praising us that we signed a #2 pitcher that cheaply
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 31, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Don’t post Heyman. He is a joke. We are already under 60 million by moving Pence and Bourn.
He is an idiot.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 31, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, but dropping 6.9 million – whatever we paid Philly, plus the same with Bourn’s 4 million and it doesn’t equal out
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 31, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
This isn't reporting
This is Heyman deciding the Astros are desperate based on prior reports that payroll must come down. Not going to pay attention to this douchebag anymore.
http://www.crawfishboxes.com
by OremLK on Jul 31, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Going to try to convince myself Schafer will finally break out next year
“Give him Bourn’s BABIP and he’s the same player!” Just gotta keep telling myself that…
http://www.crawfishboxes.com
if only BABIP was random for hitters
by auclairkeithbc on Jul 31, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
well that would mean
altuve and j.d. wouldn’t be prospects.
by auclairkeithbc on Jul 31, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
If he can hit linedrives he will be another Bourn
Bourn has the highest linedrive percentage in the majors. And then I heard Schafer has a good linedrive percentage. #Winning?
/\__/\
(=^_^=)
+1
I think even though the two trades are independent, the combination of all those prospects (with 2 elite ones) is a pretty good haul for Bourn and Pence.
by auclairkeithbc on Jul 31, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep, I think we got some nice pieces out of two pretty damn good farm systems.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 31, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Fairly close to Delgado's but not quite as good. A lot worse than Vizcaino.
http://www.crawfishboxes.com
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
#yanks would need #astros to pay significant chunk of the $39 mil left on wandy
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 31, 2011 12:03 PM CDT reply actions
Astros County
AstrosCounty Astros County
Jordan Schafer hit his first career home run in his first career ML plate appearance on April 5, 2009. Against Brett Myers.
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 31, 2011 12:04 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Scouting reports actually said he had good power potential when he was a prospect
He sure hasn’t shown it lately though.
http://www.crawfishboxes.com
I’m reading that he admitted hgh use. Let me check the source though.
by MadMartygan on Jul 31, 2011 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
jonmorosi Jon Morosi
#RedSox aren’t among the teams on Wandy Rodriguez, source says. #Astros
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 31, 2011 12:04 PM CDT reply actions
Would be so cool to get a Josh Reddick straight up for Wandy. I would be happy
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 31, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
zacharylevine Zachary Levine
Let’s not overlook the big news of the day: The Astros reinstated Fernando Abad from the DL and assigned him to AAA.
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 31, 2011 12:09 PM CDT reply actions
zacharylevine Zachary Levine
Technically “optioned” Fernando Abad to AAA.
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 31, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I have a second interview at Best Buy
Go me
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 31, 2011 12:12 PM CDT reply actions
Thanks
I need to rehearse some practice questions. 3 interviews.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 31, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
That’s so wrong. 5 interviews? OMG kill me!
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 31, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I used to work at Best Buy. In Geek Squad. Good company.
by Stupendous Man on Jul 31, 2011 12:16 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah I’m trying to work anywhere I’m needed. Be versatile so they will select me.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 31, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
The Best Buy that hired me in Corpus Christi was weird, though. They “hired” me on Halloween but I wasn’t on any work schedules until around Thanksgiving. It took forever. Hopefully your store won’t do that.
by Stupendous Man on Jul 31, 2011 12:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
So that’s cool. You got to wear a costume on your first day.
by MadMartygan on Jul 31, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Definitely. I’m finally starting school up too, so its going to be hard.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 31, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
any body heard whos getting promoted in bourns place?
since schafers on dl
I think they will both play once schafer is off the DL. I see a lot of Carlos Lee at 1B in the future.
by MadMartygan on Jul 31, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Haha. I’ve already grown accustomed to Lee. It’s like I’m in a bad marriage, but don’t have the life left in me to get a divorce so I’m just running out the clock until the sweet freedom of death arrives.
by MadMartygan on Jul 31, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Carlos Lee
has done better in nearly every major hitting category than Hunter Pence since May 1st. Why would you want to release him?
Because this is going to be the worst team in the majors by far
And keeping him in the everyday lineup presents an opportunity cost, however mild. I really couldn’t care less whether we win 55 games next year or 53. And that’s a generous estimate for Lee’s value next season.
http://www.crawfishboxes.com
C, If I'm talking about Lee
its a good bet I’m being sarcastic.
My guess is we’ll use Lee as good marketing tactic in 2012. Come and say goodbye to Carlos Lee, 81 times!
fo realz
just bring schuck up and cut him
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 31, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm slightly upset about not getting Delgado
but looking at the other Braves positions players, and I was like these guys are basically what the Astros have now. Bunch of toolsy guys with bad strike zone judgement.
by Neil Leininger on Jul 31, 2011 12:24 PM CDT reply actions
stark calls houston the losers so far
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 31, 2011 12:26 PM CDT reply actions
Besides when you are as bad off as the Astros are right now, pitching wise
your motto should be the more arms the better.
by Neil Leininger on Jul 31, 2011 12:26 PM CDT reply actions
Every pitcher the Astros have acquired
is probably better than anyone currently in the minors.
by Neil Leininger on Jul 31, 2011 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Ed Wade--as good as fired?
I’m not going to be like 99% of the people on here dogging Wade for making the Pence/Bourn trades, because at the end of the day, both guys needed to be traded. I do, however, seriously wonder what he was thinking (if the goal of these trades was to save his own job).
By going for A/AA guys, it’s going to be another 2-3 years before we even know how these trades will pan out and, by that time, it seems like almost a foregone conclusion Wade would have been fired.
If I’m Ed Wade, I take more major league ready guys in both deals (even if you’re only getting 1-2 players back) then trying to maximize your value (with 3-4 low level players).
If the 2012 Astros are comprised 2-4 MLB prospects received in return, instead of none (as is currently projected) and a couple perform well, I’m thinking that buys Wade a bit more time on the job.
jonmorosi Jon Morosi
Scratch #Rangers off Wandy Watch, as well. Source says Texas isn’t on Rodriguez, either.
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 31, 2011 12:29 PM CDT reply actions
brianmctaggart Brian McTaggart
Astros and Yankees are talking about Wandy and I think there’s a chance he gets moved. Money could be a hurdle.
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 31, 2011 12:29 PM CDT reply actions
Okay, so I just woke up...
after a long night of drinking, and the first thing I see is texts saying F*** the Astros, so I was like oh crap, who’d we get for Bourn. I look up on MLBTR, and have only heard of Schafer and he’s on the DL! Somebody please tell me this was a good trade. Please.
Astros feed is up on mlb.tv
Just background and occasional commercial until game time.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 31, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
its is a good trade a very good trade
for atlanta
keithlaw keithlaw
Calling the current Astros’ roster “cupcakes” for their opponents would be an insult to cupcakes
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 31, 2011 12:43 PM CDT reply actions
Yeah they did kinda, but not like this onslaught. Getting out of hand. Are they trying to get rid of baseball in Houston? Seriously
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 31, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Will you just stop please? lol
Killing me.
What reason possesses law to say these things?
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 31, 2011 12:44 PM CDT reply actions
Cowboys are terrible.
Their whole team quit last year.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 31, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Our team didn’t quit and if our defense plays just a little bit better, we could smash the Cowboys easily.
Cowboys offense is garbage.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 31, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
didnt say they quit said that when dallas quit they were on ur teams level
then gave u a reject coach ull always be second string
Players quit because they don’t have discipline.
Houston experienced horrible late game luck and still played hard.
If you need a coach to rally you playing a game where you make millions, GTFO you dont belong.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 31, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Man up and quitting have never been linked together.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 31, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
lol you can't a real conversation about football with a cowboy fan
by MatthewT on Jul 31, 2011 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
besides it was also said that wades scheme was too predictable
so good luck with that
Good luck with a head coach with hardly any experience.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 31, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
To who?
Its cool I believe in James Casey.
Maybe we can go get Leron McClain
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 31, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Ravens and yeah I really like Casey..
as TE. McClain isn’t bad but Leach was just a favorite of mine.
Wow Ravens? That is crazy.
Well McClain is much younger.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 31, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Hopefully not, but yeah he was a beast for the Texans.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 31, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
2013
2012 is a bit soon for Cosart and the Braves guys
by Patrick Harrel on Jul 31, 2011 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Oberholtzer can be here next year
Not that I expect him to be very good; Cosart and Clemens pending performance but yeah probably not until 2013.
http://www.crawfishboxes.com
Explain to me why Ed Wade, who is a de-facto lame duck, still making trades?
If we did not get enough in return for Keppinger, Pence & Bourne then that is squarely on Ed Wade. Of course the full analysis cannot be made for at least 2-3 years, but I’m really wondering why Crane has not stepped in and put a halt to this process. If he doesn’t know who his GM is going to be, then just suspend the roster transformation until after the season is over. Further, if he doesn’t already know who his GM is going to be, then he is not thinking as quickly as he should be, which is already a bad omen for the Astros. That needs to be his first order of business. He’s supposed to have a solid baseball background. Right now I am wondering if he knows any more about baseball than the wholesale grocer guy.
It took the Astros 44 years to get to the Series, the Oilers-Texans are OVERDUE to get to the playoffs, much less the big big dance...Go Texans!!!!!
by oiler-texan diehard on Jul 31, 2011 12:48 PM CDT reply actions
not really sure yet if thats true
still need a ss next year
We have some 40 million in Wandy, Myers and Lee
Thats a lot of near minimum players on the roster.
by Patrick Harrel on Jul 31, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
If he costs 5 million, which is doubt, he can go somewhere else.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 31, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
True, market is pretty much the deciding factor lol
Rollins and Reyes will be a free agents, which could raise Barmes’ value.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 31, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
He will get 5 million. If he signs a 1 year deal I’m all for it. He’s well worth that. It would suck to have a really bad SS with some of the young pitchers.
by MadMartygan on Jul 31, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah 400-450k for the majority of our players.
If you are on the 40 man roster, you usually get the minimum too of 400k
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 31, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah it should very well be under 60 million.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 31, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
brianmctaggart Brian McTaggart
Bourn tells MLB.com: “When I saw Hunter go I know there might be a possibility I’m going, too.”
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 31, 2011 12:52 PM CDT reply actions
jonmorosi Jon Morosi
Summary of what sources have told me on Wandy Rodriguez: #Yankees are in. #RedSox, #Rangers, #Reds are not. #Astros
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 31, 2011 12:55 PM CDT reply actions
Be careful what you wish for
Ed Wades alter ego apparently went away and dumb arse Wade is doing the dealing today.
by Crzycjunx76 on Jul 31, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
SeanCablinasian Sean Pendergast
by richardjustice
SOURCES: If the Phillies do one more deal with the Astros, they get a free six inch sub. Bonus! #EddiePoints
JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook
LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"
Took Dick all day to come up with that one. jk
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 31, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
What's wierd is..
that while Astros have 47 million committed to four players in ‘12, excluding any FA signing in the offseason, I’d be surprised if rest of ENTIRE roster made 10 million combined!
so can we watch the game today? where?
john 3:16
when you sign up, there should be a big list of games.
There will be a row with Houston v Milwaukee.
Its a free game therefore the stream works without bringing you to the screen to purchase.
Hope this helps
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 31, 2011 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
cool I dont wanna hear the announcers, but screw listening to the radio.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 31, 2011 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I know you are disappointed
But Bourn was gone after this year… Would you rather not trade him and let him walk and get nothing in return? I’m sorry but what leverage you thought we had is always going to be negated by the contract they are currently tied to. I like the trade, if he didn’t move him you guys would be bitching because he wasn’t traded, if we aren’t winning with these pieces might as well move them for some new pieces. It’s called rebuilding something this team hasn’t done since 1991 which is 10 years too long.
Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity
by Ryan Perrio on Jul 31, 2011 1:02 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Very nice quality.
Are the MiLB games in HD like this?
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 31, 2011 1:02 PM CDT reply actions
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
wandy would pass waivers with $39M left on deal. so there should be no rush on him. #yankees
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 31, 2011 1:03 PM CDT reply actions
i think theres a chance he doesnt
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 31, 2011 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you Randy Myers him if that's the case
probably not, but you never know.
by Neil Leininger on Jul 31, 2011 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions
As far as I know
If team claims him, they’d have to take him and his contract unless original team pulls claim back.
Right. August waivers is a multiple-layered game, and Heyman’s only looking at the surface.
The Astros aren’t going to let Wandy go without getting players in return. He’s still got years left on his contract, and if the Astros can’t work a trade today, then they still have a shot at a trade in the offseason. Every GM knows this. So if he’s claimed, the Astros are like 99% certain to pull him back so they have the opportunity to trade him in the winter. Every GM understands this too.
So after the deadline, when the Astros put Wandy on waivers, for example, the Red Sox will claim him just to keep the Yankees from having him, knowing the Astros will pull him back. This sort of gamesmanship is a regular occurrence and a fundamental part of GMing.
So basically, Heyman is wrong. Again.
Wouldn't be so sure
Why would the Astros pull him back? If the Red Sox claim him, then let them have him.
First paragraph there…they have more opportunities to trade him for players in the offseason, and he’s a good player in the meantime.
People with large contracts get claimed all the time in August to keep them from getting traded to division rivals. And practically everybody gets put on waivers in August.
The Astros aren’t going to let Wandy leave without getting players in return, so there’s virtually no risk for another team to claim him.
teams will definitely be afraid
that the astros won’t pull him back. i’m not sure what the astros would do honestly.
by auclairkeithbc on Jul 31, 2011 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
His contract isn’t really that bad. It’s close to fair value. The problem is you’re not going to get good prospects back, if the player has very little surplus value.
Maybe
I tend to believe the Astros will let him walk if someone puts in a claim.
Which would be fairly moronic
but I suppose it depends on which one of Wade’s personalities are steering the ship that day.
the thing is...
1) we would never sign wandy to that contract if we had a chance to do so at this point – and if that is true, ownership prefers no wandy to wandy (w/ his contract).
2) teams that trade for wandy have to pick up a pretty big option (above market value esp w/o knowing how good wandy will be at that time). they are going to force the astros to pay a good chunk of the total of nearly 40M owed to him from this point forward. maybe we’ll have to pay 15M total.
3) teams that trade for him (even with 15M taken out of the contract) aren’t going to give up a major prospect. so in essense, we’d be paying 15M for a not-so-great prospect.
4) we could use that 15M to sign a pretty good prospect in the 2nd and 3rd round of next year’s draft (and maybe buy a late rounder out of college). lots of good prospects don’t get drafted due to high salary demands. w/ 15M, we can get several prospects, EACH of whom are better than what we’d get back for wandy.
- This does assume Crane will re-invest savings.
by auclairkeithbc on Jul 31, 2011 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
that is pretty unlikely
either way, that money could be used for IFAs or another free agent a couple years from now that we otherwise wouldn’t have signed.
by auclairkeithbc on Jul 31, 2011 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Also
Some of these guys may actually be closer than we think because the braves rotation is pretty stacked and hard to crack right now.
Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity
by Ryan Perrio on Jul 31, 2011 1:03 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Current payroll (before Pence and Bourn trades) was $80M including $10M they are still paying for Oswalt. For next year, with the Pence and Bourn trades they have taken $11M off the payroll. So 2012 payroll is already down to $80M – $10M for Oswalt – $11M to $59M. If they trade Wandy it will be down to $48M. If they trade Myers down to $37M. And if they trade Carlos Lee and eat half of his $19M per year contract it will be down to less than $30M. Lots of room to add free agents, as Astros payroll over last 10 years has averaged $80M.
We shouldnt sign free agents unless its one year deals so we can flip them at the deadline or net extra picks through compensation.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 31, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
1 year low risk high reward signings are the way to go, since you could possibly get picks for them.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 31, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
There are plenty out there who have good track records who can’t get long term deals.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 31, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Like Barmes
he may be looking for a his last multi-year deal. But he’s the type of guy the Astros need to covet. Barmes has an elite skill, which is his defense.
Really the only position I would want them to look to fill in the off-season other than BP, is 3B.
by Neil Leininger on Jul 31, 2011 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
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Why Wade didn’t trade Wandy and Myers last deadline is beyond me. Not only did he hang on to them at arguably their highest value, he extended both.
Because SOMEONE,
and I am not sure who but I suspect the initials are DM, thought we would be a better team this season. That and if it is the someone I suspect it was, he hates to get rid of his NAME players because they sell merchandise and tickets for him.
One of the major reasons behind the Wandy contract is that Wade was constrained with a smaller budget and anticipated that Wandy might cost $10 million in arbitration. In order to “fit” Wandy into the budget, Wade entered into a contract which fixed his 2011 salary at $7 million. As a result, though, the contract was not trade-friendly.
by clack on Jul 31, 2011 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Can one of them take Happ's spot?
Please?
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by Ryan Perrio on Jul 31, 2011 1:28 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Preaching to the choir, Dave......
…..as we are already the laughingstock of baseball, this deal makes us a national comedy tour…..only question is whether they can top it with a worse deal for Wandy (probably Wandy + 10 million for some Derek Jeter trading cards…..)
On the bright side: after a fairly decent return on Hunter, this should officially sound the death knell for Wade and the rest of the front office “organization”…..
Wandy for a replica of Jeter's 3000 hit ball!
omg please!
What a circus act. Wade should be fired immediately and issued a restricting order for any baseball facility. He can try stand up comedy.
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by RocketsAstros on Jul 31, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Personally I think J.Abreu and J.Schafer
are the worst two pieces we have traded for at the deadline, including the guys we got for Keppinger.
this is a good trade for both sides
Oberholtzer and Clemons are severely underrated and overlooked because of all the prospects ahead of them, they will instantly be 2 of the best and most ready pitching prospects you will have. Secondly, Schafer is good and has shown signs of brilliance, his ceiling is to be a Bourn type player, he has just been slowed down by injuries.
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
He's Bourn + power.
I don’t think I would lead him off though. I would bat him more towards 6-8 to start.
Bouregois
Altuve
not sure
Lee
Martinez
3B – TBNL
Schafer
Barmes
Castro
by Neil Leininger on Jul 31, 2011 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
optimism finally
this post was a breath of fresh air compared to others that are just way over the top pessimistic give this trade a chance to work. Oberholtzer and Clemens may surprise you and maybe shafer just needs a change of scenery
Optimism
lets not grade this trade just yet lets wait and see first give it a few years. were better than the supposed know it alls of the world like Keith Law i dont care about his scouting background if he were really that good he would be a GM somewhere.
What I like about adding 9 pitchers to the system
is that is allows the Astros to make decisions. Such as, does Cisnero project better in the BP?
Give him a few more starts
We have a young Bullpen at ML level now and need to have as many SP options as we can after this year. If Wandy and Myers get traded also. Its time to release either Figgy or Smith or both
We've got a ton of options for the 5th starter next spring
Happ might have to fight for a spot next year. We might have some REAL competition come Spring Training.
SPEAKING OF Spring Training…anyone have an idea of who will be there next year? I went last year, missed this year, but really want to go back next year. Its a hell of a drive from Houston to Kissimee but its worth it if I get to see a ton of these guys that we just got and see what we have first hand. God I can’t wait, Castro, Ketchup, JD, Altuve, Lyles, Kuechel, ect.
by Its Gonna Happen on Jul 31, 2011 8:17 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I did say we should completely stack AA
And I think now it is about as stacked as it can get. Problem is a lot of pitchers are now closing in on their max innings and will start to A) suck, and B) be shut down to avoid injury.
Yes we could have gotten better quality prospects, and should have gotten better quality from dealing Bourn, but there is some quality in the guys we got.
I don’t know why we got Schafer or what exactly he offers that we didn’t have in Shuck. I was against getting ML prospects (and bad ones at that) so this move didn’t make a lot of sense to me especially since we have Bourgeois and Durango.
Abreu will be a nice piece if he can learn how to pitch. Clemens is my favorite prospect of the group with good stuff and signs that he knows how to pitch. Next season should be an exciting year for our minors, Subber10 is gonna be the God King around here with his daily recap.
by Its Gonna Happen on Jul 31, 2011 5:16 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
This
Schafer has much more upside than Shuck as well. He has at least a small chance of developing some power. Shuck is a slap-hitting outfielder who doesn’t play good enough defense to play center field in Minute Maid Park.
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meh...
I would have rather got McClouth
by Its Gonna Happen on Jul 31, 2011 8:08 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
hes one of the hardest workers in the game
go’s hard every play, first one there, last one to leave, and the kid is a beast, i mean he got hit in the nose by a pitch, had a black eye and a broken nose and was in the lineup the next day. And he had a chip fracture in his finger yet still played 10 innings in that 19 inning game
Chopmaster: my link is my dad who has watched the braves since I don’t know. he’s 56.
How is that sad?
They would improve any team’s minor league system. Nobody says, “Gosh, I have too many C+/B- prospects in my system, I better cut a few!” Except maybe the Rays because they’re just ridiculous that way…
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