Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Indy 500: 'Greatest Spectacle In Racing' Set For Sunday

The Astros Lose 0-4 but May Have Also Won

I know their was a game on, but between the Hunter Pence news and the podcast we were recording I hardly noticed.

News broke on twitter in the 4th inning that Pence had been traded thought It wasn't until the bottom of the 5th it became official as Jason Michaels came in to replace Pence in right field. Shots of Pence hugging his teammates while fighting back tears played on the screen will be my last image of Pence in an Astros uniform. I really wish it hadn't come to this but this marks just another necessary step on the way back to prominence for the Astros. Last year it was older players such as Lance Berkman and Roy Oswalt who we had to say good bye to. This year it's younger players such as Pence and possibly Michael Bourn who we will have to begrudgingly let go.

Initially I'm not happy with the return of Jonathan Singelton, Jarred Cosart, Josh Zeid and still another player to be named later. Maybe I bought too much into the hype machine and the possibility that the Astros could of gotten Domonic Brown, but Ed Wade had all the leverage and for a guy trying to save his job this doesn't sound like a job saving trade. Still it's a fair move for a player like Hunter Pence.

Maybe he's trying to save his job by showcasing another player that he's drafted in J.D. Martinez who has been called up. If you're looking for a positives from this move it's that Ed Wade will have three players make their Major League debut in the last two years from his draft classes. It's been a while since the Astros have had high profile prospects called up in back to back years let alone two being called up in the same year. 

I certainly think there are positives to take away from this deal I just can't help feeling like it could of been better.

As for the game at hand, it wasn't much of one for the Astros.

Jordan Lyles again pitched well enough to win going 6 innings and allowing 2 earned runs on 6 hits while striking out 3. Enerio Del Rosario then followed giving up another 2 earned runs in .2 innings of work. For the Brewers Randy Wolf went 7 innings allowing 0 runs while striking out 5 and walking 3. The Brewers bullpen then followed with 2 perfect innings from Takashi Saito and Kameron Loe.

Offensively 4 Astros had hits, but none collected more than one. Jose Altuve started a new streak. Jason Bourgeois, Angel Sanchez and Humberto Quintero all chimed in with hits of their own. Pence was 0-1 with a walk for his final game with the Astros. 

Which is fitting because as much as he hustled for the Astros he only walked out of the Astros clubhouse this evening. 

Comment 105 comments  |  0 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

totally watched mitch williams emabarase himself trying to break a bat 2 times over his thigh

If i were Arnold Rothstein id pay Ryan Braun all the money he
wants to stop going on homer streaks against the poor Astros....

am i the only one?

by ccislanders on Jul 29, 2011 11:46 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Was that the 3B coach? If so, that was Ed Sedar – great guy – who was actually hired by the Astros till Roenicke decided that he wouldn’t be let go.

"Prince Fielder is too fat even for the Oakland A’s" - Billy Beane

by ol Pete on Jul 30, 2011 6:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

“The Nationals, Braves, Indians and Reds are among the clubs with varying levels of interest in Bourn,” report Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. The Indians are the new suitor here.

by StrosSouth on Jul 30, 2011 12:11 AM CDT reply actions  

He can say anything and get away with it

Unless a trade actually goes down you will never actually know what is offered.

To tip your hand like that damages your bargaining power in future deals which is why I think the “reports” of what the Braves were offering were bogus. Say they went after Quentin after disclosing what they offered for Pence… the White Sox would pretty much know what was available.

by Crzycjunx76 on Jul 30, 2011 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

SO basically what I am saying

is since no one will ever call him out on it he can make up sources all day long and say pretty much what he wants and there is little chance anyone will really call him out on it. Every once in a while a GM or a player will say I have no idea where that came from and the person who made the report will spin it as bad info or the situation changing and their report was real… but the inner workings will remain secret so these “reporters” can get away with fraudulent claims as long as they keep them vague enough to avoid looking like complete idiots.

I am sure there are some who have quality sources, probably the ones that are not constantly updating with changes in the situation like they have rumor diarrhea. For the most part I think the rest just take what they say and embellish it to make it a better story and to seem better informed.

by Crzycjunx76 on Jul 30, 2011 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Had that thought too

Since he loved it here, set down roots and called it home, maybe he’ll come back?

by Its Gonna Happen on Jul 30, 2011 1:29 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Wouldnt it be awesome

i think it would be great for Hunter to come back and be able to say he won a championship with the Astros he is only 28 he may be a few years into his thirties when it happens but it would be awesome for it to happen

by 31blur114 on Jul 30, 2011 1:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

I’d like to see both Pence and Berkman back in Astros uniforms someday.

by PeteyNhtown on Jul 30, 2011 2:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Id like to sign him to a one yearer

If/when he’s ready to retire, sign him to a team friendly one year deal as a bench player. Let him retire an Astro. That’d be ideal.

by Its Gonna Happen on Jul 30, 2011 3:34 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Nah.

2008 was fucking brilliant.

i tell the truth; i lie a lot

by jonthefon on Jul 30, 2011 3:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not true at all.

the man, the myth, the legend.
Twitter: @jyarbrough

by JYarbs on Jul 30, 2011 6:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Again we must travel on to nowhere, nowhere...

all the things that we tried just never mattered
they all shattered, so we packed up and we’ve gone

Turn the tables around
then good luck can be found
you’ve got to be Astros Astros stand tall

Turn the tables around
then good luck can be found
you’ve got to be Astros Astros stand tall

The sun in the morning warms the cold night, cold night
what makes you go on to change your mind
how far down that road you’ve gone a long way
from the first stay when you’ve picked up and gone

We will look back at this weekend for a pivotal day when we are in the post season in a few years. Yea its going to be another nasty year next year, hopefully not as bad. But in no time we will be up near the top again. Thing is like others have said. This was a long time coming. It was just our time to eat mud. Only the freak teams like the Cards do not have long periods in the mud. Hell even the Yankees stunk it up pretty bad in the 1980s. But with what we have done today, and Im optimistic as to what we will get if we do anymore trades, then we have just set the foundation for a good run.

by Silentjay on Jul 30, 2011 12:48 AM CDT reply actions  

I feel a little bad about the Phillies future

They’ve traded a good amount of their top minor league talent and I can’t imagine that they won’t be in the same boat as the Astros were 2-3 years ago. (Old, injured, and with a bare farm system.)

by Its Gonna Happen on Jul 30, 2011 1:04 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

You shouldn't have any sympathy.

Their payroll is ridiculous.

i tell the truth; i lie a lot

by jonthefon on Jul 30, 2011 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, no sypathy

Maybe I’m just reminded of the way I felt when the Astros were old, bad, and had no relief in sight.

by Its Gonna Happen on Jul 30, 2011 1:17 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Cosart and Singleton

Hunter Pence was my favorite player and he may still be and i hurt to see him walk off the field and say goodbye to his teammates. I also cannot wait to see Jonathon Singleton and Jarred Cosart and i hope in the future the rotation of Norris Lyles and Cosart strike fear into our opponents and i hope pitchers feel the fear when they see jonathon Singleton. I also want to see how Jose Altuve progresses in the Major leagues and i also cant wait to see JD Martinez get his chance with the astros. It wouldnt be fair to sign off without saying this Hunter Pence will always be in the hearts of astros fans. Hunter will always be an astro at heart

by 31blur114 on Jul 30, 2011 1:22 AM CDT reply actions  

How old is Bud?

He’s still turning into the ACE I predict him to be but will he be around when Cosart comes up?

by Its Gonna Happen on Jul 30, 2011 1:26 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Cosart makes his MLB debut next season

if things go as planned. So Bud would only be 27. The Astros will in all likelihood be the youngest team in the Majors next year.

by Neil Leininger on Jul 30, 2011 1:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow what a transition in such a short time, Oldest to Youngest

Sosa, Harrell, An Rod, Lyles, Kuechel, and Cedeno could all be in the rotation next year. Sosa has REALLY surprised me so far, but I’m not ready to insert foot into mouth just yet.

by Its Gonna Happen on Jul 30, 2011 1:32 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

ACE... I dont see it

but he is developing nicely. If he can keep his walk rate down then he could be a 2/3 at his peak.

by Crzycjunx76 on Jul 30, 2011 1:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Norris that is...

As for Cosart, he may see the majors next season but my money is on him getting his chance in the Spring of 2013.

by Crzycjunx76 on Jul 30, 2011 1:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're crazy!

If he keeps developing, learning how to pitch more effectively, he’ll has ACE potential. He has great stuff, closer stuff, and he is learning how to transition from strikeouts to contact, allowing him to pitch deeper into games. When he can choose whether to strike guys out or let them get themselves out he’ll be there. And he’s pretty darn close to that right now.

by Its Gonna Happen on Jul 30, 2011 1:36 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Bud

whenever it is Buds turn to pitch i am more at ease than with any other pitcher on our pitching staff. Bud has developed really good and i think he is only gonna get better.

by 31blur114 on Jul 30, 2011 1:40 AM CDT reply actions  

About but has about 5-6 seasons before he is there

so he should at least be around for our return to winning, though dealing him at some point in there might help us more than keeping him, specifically since he will hit free agency before then. For now that is not the case and it is good to see him improve.

by Crzycjunx76 on Jul 30, 2011 1:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Im in favor of signing Bud

He’s shown that he has developed a lot and as of now he’s a good #3 pitcher and if he continues to learn how to pitch he’ll be a #1. Signing him to a 5 year contract at the end of the year would probably be smart

by Its Gonna Happen on Jul 30, 2011 1:47 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

No

We might be a winning team again in 2014… but the playoffs would still be a longshot.

We have a few players at most positions that might be ready but our minors are not stacked, even with some more trades I doubt we crack anyone’s top 10 minor league systems… we simply lack enough depth of talent and to ensure a constant stream to the majors you need that depth.

by Crzycjunx76 on Jul 30, 2011 1:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dont rule out

If we have a good group of minor leaguers come up in 2013-2014, the FO making a big veteran splash in the FA market to sure up some holes and be the teams leader. Maybe Hunter Pence?

by Its Gonna Happen on Jul 30, 2011 1:53 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Thats's what I've been saying to everyone on FBook lol

People on FBook are like crying about him and stuff, and I was like well you know Pence really loves Houston and Texas is his home team, so maybe when he’ll be a FA in the next 2 years Houston may try to sign him back. I sure hope so, that’ll be great and would make great sense

by astros21 on Jul 30, 2011 1:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

As long as we dont get our paroll up to a point like we did at the end of the last

decade where our market could not handle it so we started slashing youth development and acquisition to compensate.

by Crzycjunx76 on Jul 30, 2011 1:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ehh. I think we have a good shot at 2014 maybe even 2013

If we can get Springer to sign, plus we have Martinez, and Ovando, Singleton, Mier, Altuve, etc. we have a good shot

by astros21 on Jul 30, 2011 1:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

We have a player or two at several positions that can make it

The good minor league systems have multiple players at most positions who have a shot to make it… we are still an average after this trade and our drafts have not been good so how do we say that our average system is going to graduate enough talent to make our “worst in baseball” roster better than the teams out there with better systems than us?

We have a lot of work to do, we may have another trade cycle ahead of us in a few years, not a complete trade out but one where we trade our older more expensive guys to improve the talent pool enough to be sustainable… we also need to recommit to LA and start drafting better.

by Crzycjunx76 on Jul 30, 2011 2:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

here is to hoping

here is to hoping that bud stays around Jordan stays around and Cosart turns into that pitcher the phillies were in love with. i heard he has one of the best fastballs in the minor leagues has an above average to plus potential curveball and his changeup which he is newer to him could be decent to ive heard he is a 2 starter with enough potential to be the ace of the staff

by 31blur114 on Jul 30, 2011 1:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Chron.com

I love it, but I hate reading all those insane comments on the Pence trade.

by LonerATO on Jul 30, 2011 1:55 AM CDT reply actions  

Well Astro fans

Between the pitchers we’ve picked up lately, the pitchers we will/might pick up trading off Bourn and Wandy, and the pitchers we drafted rescently (don’t forget about Folty and Velasquez), we should definately start to see wave after wave of young youthful starting pitchers along with relief guys that continue to highlight the recaps like Leon, De Leon, Chowning, Gervacio, ect.

Now the interesting thing is, what happens when Nash, Singleton, and Hinze all warrant a MLB 1B job? Three very high upside First Basemen…I like where this is heading. If Duffy can hurry his way through the system we’ll be sittin pretty (fingers crossed)

by Its Gonna Happen on Jul 30, 2011 3:47 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
good job by astros ownership allowing @HunterPence9 trade. he was drayton mclane’s favorite. next up: bourn. #tradedeadline
Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
Two scouts say 3rd player in Pence trade, RHP Josh Zeid, ready for bigs now in ‘pen. "I’d kill to get Zeid," one says. #tradedeadline #MLB

JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook

LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"

by laxtonto on Jul 30, 2011 8:45 AM CDT reply actions  

Interesting deal

sup guys (new to this blog, usually a regular on brb), but I found it interesting that the Phillies fans feel they overpaid and we feel we didn’t get enough. I didn’t see any reason to trade Pence at all to be quite honest. I think Bourn, Wandy, Myers, and Lee should all have been packaged before Pence, which is the sole reason why I’m disappointed in this deal. Scratch that I’m also a bit disappointed Dominic Brown wasn’t included in the package.

With that said, it seems the Astros got a decent return for our best player. Pence is good, very good, but he did net us 2 top 50 prospects. I also agree that this now allows us to give JD Martinez a fair shake. lol, we should just call up everyone, Lyles, Altuves, and Martinez seem to be doing fairly well.

by wiseonekms on Jul 30, 2011 11:56 AM CDT reply actions  

Im pretty sure that Dom Brown was never on the table contrary to was reported. Dom

Brown was 4th best prospect in all of baseball and under team control for years so he is cheap to them. We had to send cash to Philly in this deal bc it would have put them into a bind by going into the luxury tax. They have one of the highest payrolls and needed some financial help to pull this deal off so no way they give up a cheap and potential superstar for Hunter Pence.

by StrosSouth on Jul 30, 2011 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure what I think about this.

Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
NL source says the Braves would have included Mike Minor as part of a deal for Hunter Pence. #trades

by Astrosws20 on Jul 30, 2011 11:56 AM CDT reply actions  

Would've loved Minor who is a little more of a sure thing than Cosart

but Cosart has more upside. All would depend on the rest of the package obviously

by Astrosws20 on Jul 30, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wade took the risk of possibly landing a really valuable guy in this trade, knowing the bust factor is definitely there.

He made the right decision. The Braves were unlikely to match a deal RAJ and the Phillies would offer.

by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 30, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

IDK what to say but Olney is a credible source.

I could see them adding Minor but no other arms. Minor is a #3 and we were looking for a potential #1 or #2 in the deal. If the other prospects weren’t anything special then it’s a good move by Wade but if it was their SS prospect included or something then IDK if I like the decision. A #3 that could help us for the next 5 years plus some other stuff isn’t a bad return in my mind.

by Astrosws20 on Jul 30, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Call them and see if they will do Minor and an A ball prospect for Bourn

They are not getting Carlos Quentin especially now after Olney’s tweet for less than two of the four pitching prospects. So lets get this done

by Nado2036 on Jul 30, 2011 12:03 PM CDT reply actions  

I think Minor for Bourn straight up is more realistic

and not too bad for us. Ready for our rotation right now and the next five years.

by Astrosws20 on Jul 30, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why sell Bourn short he is still under team control for one more year

That makes him more valuable and I think the Braves will have to pull the trigger to be competetive with the Phillies

by Nado2036 on Jul 30, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm unsure if he's worth much more than the 37th best prospect (preseason)

in baseball considering we’ll be shedding salary to do it. A year and a half of Bourn v. 5 and a half years of Minor isn’t a bad deal. If we can get another A ball prospect then I say pull the trigger but Atlanta is holding onto those pitcher with a death grip and valuing them pretty high. If we get one of them then that’s not too shabby. Giving them a little money might go a long way to getting a second prospect

by Astrosws20 on Jul 30, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah I dont understand why they arent using a couple of them to make some moves

Dont they know at the max you can only do 6 starting pitchers at the big league level. Beachy, Hanson, Jurrjens are going to be there for a while so they can trade two of these guys

by Nado2036 on Jul 30, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think their thinking is that

2 of them might not pan out or will turn into bullpen arms when it’s all said and done. If they hang onto all of them then it’s hard to imagine the Braves not having a crazy good rotation from 1 all the way down to 5 for several years. For the future it’s a smart move but yeah it doesn’t help them much right now.

by Astrosws20 on Jul 30, 2011 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

being deep at key positions in the minors is NOT a luxury it is a necessity for any team that wants to experience consistent success because there is inevitably attrition in the form of players that never make it or end up below their original ceiling as bench players.

by Crzycjunx76 on Jul 30, 2011 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

how come

Ed Wade only trades to Philly ?

by wiseonekms on Jul 30, 2011 12:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Obviously he has a relationship with them

but I’m not so sure this is a mistake. Both Cosart and Singleton could be better than Minor. I think Wade is simply trying to hit a HR to save his job instead of settling for a solid double. Not defending Wade, but you can’t evaluate the trade when we only know one of the 4 players involved, just like we can’t completely evaluate the actual trade without knowing the 4th player. Like I know it has been reported that it isn’t Biddle, but if it is then it’s a complete HR trade that we no doubt win.

by Astrosws20 on Jul 30, 2011 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol i was just trolling.

btw, I have short term memory loss, other than Happ, what do we have to show for the Oswalt deal?

by wiseonekms on Jul 30, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

If we can move Bourn and Wandy I wouldnt be opposed to bringing Wade back for next year but we need a new coaching staff.

by Nado2036 on Jul 30, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

If we can actually get Friedman to come or Hunsicker back then

Wade needs to be ousted now. I know harsh and we won’t know that sadly, but I WANT FRIEDMAN BAD! I’d take Friedman more than Pujols. That’s how much I want him. Because he could help us get the next Pujols when we are competitive.
Wade hasn’t done a disastrous job as GM over his tenure, considering last night. He has made some amazing waiver wire pick ups and hasn’t completely lost on trades, although with Wallace continuing to suck it’s looking worse on that trade everyday. He did get Wolff and Hawkins for cheap. I do however think that we can do better than Wade. I don’t like him that much and would like to just see us completely clean house and start anew this off season. Maybe keep Heck but that’s it. I think the Stros just need a fresh start.

by Astrosws20 on Jul 30, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, there’s only a limited amount of buyers. He’s traded with the Yankees (Berkman), Giants (Keppinger), Cardinals (Feliz), Rangers (I. Rodriguez) at the deadline recently too.

by jmike on Jul 30, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think originally because he drafted most of those guys.

by Nado2036 on Jul 30, 2011 12:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah and he knows RAJ will give him value unlike a guy like Frank Wren.

by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 30, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don’t think Pence will stay long in Philly. He just doesn’t fit well in that organization and I have no idea why. He is a grinder. Doesn’t do anything smoothly, but plays baseball the way it should be played. Tough. Every play of every inning, just like Pete Rose. The rich get richer. With the Phillies pitching rotation, I would have to call them the World Series favorite over both the Yankees and Red Sox.

http://www.FromThisSeat.com

by jwmann2 on Jul 31, 2011 12:58 AM CDT reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to the Crawfishboxes, the SBNation blog for the Houston Astros.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Chimp_small
The Importance of George Springer

Recent FanPosts

Small
Oswalt in 2012
Small
Heck and Co. - Your time is up.
Small
Santana and a bold new top 10, etc..
Astros_retro_logo1_small
Lance Berkman with possible torn ACL...
Astros_retro_logo1_small
Quasi update on Lucas Giolito for draft
100_1519_small
Good News
Small
Thinking about where the top 2012 draftees will be ranked for 2013
Astros_small
Most valuable building blocks
Nsapcs13_large_small
Minor League Open Thread

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

TCB Tweets!

    

Current Series

3 game series vs Dodgers @ Dodger Stadium

Fri 05/25 WP: Lucas Harrell (4 - 3)
SV: Brett Myers
LP: Clayton Kershaw (4 - 2)
3 - 1 win
Sat 05/26 WP: Kenley Jansen (4 - 0)
LP: Wesley Wright (0 - 1)
3 - 6 loss

Houston Astros
@ Los Angeles Dodgers

Sunday, May 27, 2012, 3:10 PM CDT
Dodger Stadium

J.A. Happ vs Chris Capuano

Partly cloudy. Winds blowing out to right field at 10-15 m.p.h. Game time temperature around 75.

Complete Coverage >

NL Central Standings

W L PCT GB STRK
Cincinnati 26 20 .565 0 Won 1
St. Louis 25 22 .531 1.5 Lost 3
Houston 22 24 .478 4 Lost 1
Pittsburgh 22 24 .478 4 Won 2
Milwaukee 19 27 .413 7 Lost 1
Chicago 15 31 .326 11 Lost 11

(updated 5.27.2012 at 1:03 AM CDT)

Yahoo_full_count

Managing Editors

Tcb_icon_small Timothy De Block

Old_school_dome_logo_small David Coleman

Editors

Nsapcs13_large_small clack

H_astros_small Subber10

Astrobritrs2_small AstroB

Small conroestro

Small CRPerry13