Astros Waste Plenty Of Chances, Lose 5-4 In Extras
by Will Bonn on Jul 24, 2011 4:59 PM CDT
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PrintWas it Hunter Pence striking out in the ninth with one outs and the bases loaded that cost us the game? What about Pence losing the ball in the sun to allow a lead-off triple in the tenth? Or maybe it could have been that the 5-8 hitters (CJ, Wallace, Matt Downs, and Quintero) combined to go 1-16 with 8 strikeouts?
Missed opportunities aside, this was one of the most frustrating losses of the season. Just when you think that Carlos Lee's two-run homer in the eighth was going to be enough for a victory, Wilton Lopez implodes in the bottom half to allow the tying run. I could go on and on about the rough patches of this loss, but it wouldn't be pretty...
What must Jordan Lyles do to ensure his first win as a major leaguer? Throw a no-hitter? Hit a solo shot and throw a shutout?
Whatever the case may be, Lyles certainly deserves to get that first victory. He says it doesn't bother him, and maybe that's true. Come on, just get it over with already.
Lyles has now officially tied the franchise record for consecutive winless starts to begin his Astros career with ten outings. You might not believe this, but Lyles threw a decent ballgame and was a victim of poor run support. I know, what a surprise right?
While Lyles didn't pitch as well as he did in his major league debut, his return to Wrigley was still equally impressive for a different reason. He got into early trouble when he surrendered three runs in the second on lots of hard-hit balls, but he was able to pitch out of multiple jams and record his fourth quality start of the year. Lyles allowed nine hits, but he showed some real grit and toughness pitching through a rough day on the mound.
Please erase this game from my memory.
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Astrooooooooooooooooooooooooooos
3 game lose streak
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by BustaPozee on Jul 24, 2011 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
On another note...
The Giants telecast says that for winning the WS last year, SF will visit the White House tomorrow. I guess Keppinger had to borrow a suit and tie from the travelling secretary to be suitably dressed to meet President Obama. He didn’t even know about the trip.
…remember the days when players had to dress in coat and tie for road trips…
by clack on Jul 24, 2011 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well in 7 days
if our FO does things right we will be a much worse team, but a much better organization.
That what Im hoping for. BTW, if Giants actually do want Pence I want Surkamp in the deal
he’s pitching today and thru 4 1H 1BB 7K
Surkamp+Cedeno+Kuechel=talent!
by Its Gonna Happen on Jul 24, 2011 5:39 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Well...
Over 700 comments in the game thread. That’s pretty impressive. To what do attribute this recent surge of attention? Altuve? Lyles? Buzz over the minor leagues/trade possibilities/next years draft position?
As Dra once said even bad news is better than no news. Let’s just hope we don’t have any bad news in the next week or so!
by Its Gonna Happen on Jul 24, 2011 5:38 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Hes so little, I wouldnt be surprised
He’s VERY lanky, I really can’t wait till he fills out
by Its Gonna Happen on Jul 24, 2011 5:45 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Prof. X back down to CC Greenwalt to Lancaster. For now Prof. X is in the pen.
Does this mean someone from CC’s starting rotation will be heading to OKC soon? Keuchel or Sosa?
Can Greenwalt go back to a rotation?
He still has upside there.
What was Xendenos stats for AAA? I thought he did well there
by Its Gonna Happen on Jul 24, 2011 6:12 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
He just had that one start and was out after 4IP. Wasnt a bad start though. Im just
curious as to if the recently acquired Sosa will go up to OKC after his next start.
I would have given him another start in CC
But he did look good in his lone start. There’s no need to rush him unless we’re really looking into trading Wandy.
by Its Gonna Happen on Jul 24, 2011 6:20 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
He was in SF's AAA team for awhile. My question is why send Prof.X back down
after only one start? IT wasnt a bad start at all. I know the FO is said to see Sosa a viable SP in the near future.
Im with ya,
I’m in favor of getting the AAA team some starting pitching. Kuechel, Xedeno, Sosa could really benefit from AAA time IMO. If Lancaster has guys deserving a promotion, or if not deserving at least capable of being promoted
by Its Gonna Happen on Jul 24, 2011 6:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Wonder if Wade has a trade for Wandy set up or thinks he is about to which
would make sense if ur gonna bring up a guy from AAA to Houston to fill open spot and then Move AA SP to OKC
Just saw this one so thought that I would put it up.
07:43 AM ET 07.24 | The Astros are taking offers for outfielder Hunter Pence, the best player in a bad lineup. The Phillies and Indians are among several teams with interest.
lets hope the right offer comes
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by astrosfan1989 on Jul 24, 2011 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Im not optimistic about this trade.
Pence has not been very good post All-Star break. I still think the best has yet to come with Pence.
by Its Gonna Happen on Jul 24, 2011 7:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
He needs a freekn day off. But Gms lnow players who are on the block might press
just a bit more than usual
Nice i just put it on.
I have to catch up on Breaking Bad though too.
They sat down Hinze, Goebbert and Wallace quickly.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 24, 2011 6:53 PM CDT reply actions
Ah, demotion...now I remember.
He sucked it up in AAA…
by Its Gonna Happen on Jul 24, 2011 7:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Villar and paredes have really been turning it on lately it seems
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yea so just looked and over the last 10 games it has just been an increase in power not avg
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by astrosfan1989 on Jul 24, 2011 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions
thats really good
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by astrosfan1989 on Jul 24, 2011 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I wonder if we trade and what we get for Myers and Wandy
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Myers prob something like Kepp return possibly a tad bit netter but Wandy should net a
pretty nice return. Not as good as say Pence or possibly Bourn.
I just wonder if they actually get moved. Things seem to be quite on thhem
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by astrosfan1989 on Jul 24, 2011 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions
With pitching movement today between OKC and CC I think something might in the works
for one of them and most likely Wandy
Yea he had a good start the other day
Hope it brings back some good return that gives us a better idea of what they will be looking for in a Pence or Bourn trade. Bourn market seems to have flaired out too
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by astrosfan1989 on Jul 24, 2011 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Why does Myers contract bother you? Do you expect them to take that money and spend it more wisely?
Getting rid of Myers and Wandy as salary dumps does not guarantee that the money will be spent elsewhere.
If they take that money and sign a couple of draft picks
and a couple of international “stars”, I would advocate for salary dumps. However, I have no faith in this. I think it will be lost money.
Since details of Astros sale are complete except for the closing
Wouldn’t Drayton McLane just pocket money saved this year on salary dump?
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Jul 25, 2011 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Because he should have been traded last year when they decided to trade Roy
Last year we could have gotten a pretty good haul out of Myers. Now we cant get SHIIIIT and this is the reason I would take the best trade at the deadline for Hunter. He will not hit this well next year and his ISO is going down every year
Hindsight is always better.
Nobody was talking this way at this time last year. His extension was widely applauded, even though everybody knew he was pitching over his head. I am not sure what kind of haul we would have gotten last year, but I suspect it would not have been as good as you believe, because he would have been a rental.
Apparently
Wade had his scouts watching Jesse Biddle (Phillies, A ball). A Philly deal looks to be in the works apparently.
How bad would it be if Wade was actually a double agent, working for Houston but secretly working for Philly the whole time? Right before he knows he’ll be fired he trades away our best pieces to Philly and then has a job there once we cut ties with him.
by Its Gonna Happen on Jul 24, 2011 7:27 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I really like Biddle and his K rate is awsome. He has actually out preformed some of the other guys in the rotation that are rated ahead of him just based on experience
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by astrosfan1989 on Jul 24, 2011 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Brown and Biddle would be awsome
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by astrosfan1989 on Jul 24, 2011 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Valle is the catcher right
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by astrosfan1989 on Jul 24, 2011 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions
yea he has good avg numbers so that would be cool if we got him
i wonder after the A+ jump if the stros see wallace as a legit prospect to platoon with castro
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by astrosfan1989 on Jul 24, 2011 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions
7 walks in 261 plate appearances
Does he have good defense?
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i heard its a work in progress
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by astrosfan1989 on Jul 24, 2011 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions
are you referring to Wallace still? If so then yes his edfense is good
but could still use some work
o i had been told he had problems with passed balls and throwing guys out
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by astrosfan1989 on Jul 24, 2011 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions
There have been a few passed balls here in CC but I blame
those on the pitchers as they were borderline being WPs. The staff here is east to run on as they all have slow deliveries except Sosa now.
yea you kno more cause u got on hand knolage of it
i have had to go just off what people have said
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by astrosfan1989 on Jul 24, 2011 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Biddle Valle singlton, sounds like a good deal
When you ask Carlos Lee what his favorite place to play is, and he anwsers with the words, anywhere with a Buffet. You know theirs a real problem.
by orangeblood kid on Jul 24, 2011 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I would probably go with
Brown, Biddle, and J.Rodriguez as my dream scenario… I mean I could certainly dream bigger but I mean pseudo-realistic dream scenario.
I wonder if we trade and what we get for Myers and Wandy
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I wonder if the Astros would have to include significant $$$ in a deal for either?
I hope that the Astros trade both Myers and Wandy (and pretty much everyone else—-(Minus) Altuve,Lyles and Norris) for young talented prospects.
I like these guys.
I just think its time for a REBUILD.
One would think that it would be more difficult, or at least complicated, for the Astros to add a lot of dollars to any deal, given the status of the ownership change.
by clack on Jul 24, 2011 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wait Professor X sent back down to CC?
What the phuck’s wrong with this front office?
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Im thinking that one of Myers or Wandy is about to leave which means someone from OKC
is about to go to Houston and Mr.Sosa is about to go up to OKC
So why did they send down Cedeño?
Doesn’t make sense.
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who knows maybe they saw something in that start that they didnt like
could be a sign that they might not be keeping hima fter this year
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by astrosfan1989 on Jul 24, 2011 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions
yea i hope he has another good start
really hope he could turn into a good 5th starter
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by astrosfan1989 on Jul 24, 2011 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions
really think he can reach that mark already at 25 and hasnt broke threw aaa
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by astrosfan1989 on Jul 24, 2011 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Well he is a product of San Fran's scouting
They’ve produced some very solid major league pitchers. You gotta think they saw something in Sosa.
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yea maybe he can reach his potential with us
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by astrosfan1989 on Jul 24, 2011 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions
WEll if his start Tues. is anything like his last one Im for moving
up and let him work with Hooten there and seeing what he has in Sept. call up or in ST
wade seems like he can be in the rotation next year
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by astrosfan1989 on Jul 24, 2011 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions
esp if wandy and or myers get traded
we will have some spots to fill
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by astrosfan1989 on Jul 24, 2011 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions
aun rod gets a chance next year too maybe
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by astrosfan1989 on Jul 24, 2011 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I just hope Cedeño isn't put into the bullpen
If they move Sosa up, then that’s good for Cedeño.
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that blows
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by astrosfan1989 on Jul 24, 2011 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Dont really like sending down X
I mean he turns 25 this year and is running out of time to become a big leauger so after a decent showing I am not sure why they would hold him back. I am particularly unsure as to why he would be in the pen.
There are some people who think Xavier is better suited for a late inning bullpen role. I have read comments like that, but I don’t have a personal opinion on it.
by clack on Jul 24, 2011 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Andy Van Hekken had a very nice start today
7 IP, 3 H, 2 BB, 8 K
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Id really loike to see him get a chance one last time. Guy saw ML action and sniffed the show
again. Hes been almost the only winning SP our AAA team has had the last few seasons.
wonder if he could do better than happ
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by astrosfan1989 on Jul 24, 2011 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions
2.98 ERA this year, currently having a career year at the ripe age of 31
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yea i got that right as i hit enter lol
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by astrosfan1989 on Jul 24, 2011 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions
The clubhouse door swings again today for the Hooks. LHP Xavier Cedeno, who started for AAA Oklahoma City Thursday night in Albuquerque, returns to Corpus Christi. Cedeno was charged with two earned runs in four innings (4.50 ERA) in Thursday’s loss to the Isotopes. He is listed today as being available out of the pen.
With Cedeno added to the active roster, RHP Kyle Greenwalt has been reassigned to Lancaster of the California League. In 27 games and nine starts this season with the Hooks, Greenwalt is 4-10 with a 7.83 ERA, with 90 hits, 17 walks and 44 strikeouts in 66.2 innings.
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Clippard Yes... MLB Trade Rumours
The Nationals are willing to trade Tyler Clippard, and have been continually pursuing Michael Bourn
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bourn for clippard plus 2 prospects
john 3:16
who is clippard i didnt see him in the top ten
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by astrosfan1989 on Jul 24, 2011 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions
or is he on the ML ream right now
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by astrosfan1989 on Jul 24, 2011 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
MLB relief pitcher
Altuve got his first mlb hit off him.
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I prefer Strasburg and Harper for bourn. :P
by Woodlands'stro on Jul 24, 2011 9:20 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That sounds about right :D
by Woodlands'stro on Jul 24, 2011 9:27 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Youd have to get Cole and Ray or Solis.
Bourn is a very valuable player. He is very underrated.
On MLBTR right now they have a poll, who would you rather have Beltran or Upton or someone else?
That someone else should be Bourn, he is in his prime, is controlled for another 2 seasons and has a high OBP and leads the NL in steals. Not to mention his .300 BA, and stellar defense.
He is WAAAAAAY better than Upton. I would want more than freakin Clippard and change for Bourn.
Though, I do wonder if we could make Clippard a SP? Regardless, MORE. From DC.
MOAR!!!
by YohannDookeyblue on Jul 24, 2011 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Other than the High OBP I am with you
.356 is not a high OBP, it is a good OBP… the lowest you should ever really have in the lineup is around .335 OBP.
He really does not have a true leadoff hitters OBP, but his base stealing ability and his fielding make up for it.
At one time, Clippard was a ballyhooed pitching prospect for the Yankees. He was later traded to the Pirates and from there to the Nats, I think. When he was traded by Yanks, I thought that was too bad because his name was perfect for the Yankees. Yankees’ fans were already calling him the Yankee Clippard.
by clack on Jul 24, 2011 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
They also have Derek Norris
Would be funny, Norris throws to Norris
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I really like the postion we are in.
so many people looking for quality OF help in tight races… so few quality outfielders…. and we have two of the ones at the top of the market and they are both over performing for us this year. At least something went right this season, now lets see if we can do anything with it.
now we just need to make the right moves
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by astrosfan1989 on Jul 24, 2011 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions
We could deal with the Nats
But I am not a huge fan of Clippard. The Phils have two relievers that are as good IMO and I am sure the Braves do as well. A relief prospect should never be a centerpiece for a quality starter.
i think we need to convince the braves they need bourn
get a top pitching prospect and maybe a lower level guy
and trade pence to the phils
and Wandy to the yankees or to the reds
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by astrosfan1989 on Jul 24, 2011 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Meant to say relif pitcher..
and I already take that back… because I could see us flipping Clippard for more than Bourn is worth in a year or two.
and I am flipping once again
Because I am afraid Clippard and his 58% career fly ball rate might have some issues in MMP.
how wierd would that be altuve just got his 1st hit off him and now they would be teamates
john 3:16
I think there is one factor being ignored in the Cedeno demotion. The Hooks used A LOT of pitchers last night where even Frostad pitched. So, this could be a simple eat some innings because he only threw 60ish pitches the other night so he can eat some innings real quick.
if we trade with the Nats i want to find a way to get AJ cole
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i doubt we could get him but yea thats who i would want
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by astrosfan1989 on Jul 24, 2011 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions
i thought last year
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by astrosfan1989 on Jul 24, 2011 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions
i wonder who the dimondbacks would give up for wandy
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i forget who has him
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by astrosfan1989 on Jul 24, 2011 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe we can get him from them
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by astrosfan1989 on Jul 24, 2011 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions
what are his stats for the year
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by astrosfan1989 on Jul 24, 2011 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions
love the stats
i wonder if we could pull him off
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by astrosfan1989 on Jul 24, 2011 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions
ha which would be awsome
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by astrosfan1989 on Jul 24, 2011 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions
how fast does he throw or wats the scouting report
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by astrosfan1989 on Jul 24, 2011 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions
thanks for all the info
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by astrosfan1989 on Jul 24, 2011 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions
seems to have some good upside
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by astrosfan1989 on Jul 24, 2011 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the DBacks would be VERY good with Wandy
They could challenge SF.
by YohannDookeyblue on Jul 24, 2011 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions
he could be a big peice
hope the return is good though
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by astrosfan1989 on Jul 24, 2011 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions
that was from this morn
it has flipped almost every other day
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by astrosfan1989 on Jul 24, 2011 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Tropeano had a nice start today
6 IP, 0 R, 2 H, 1 BB, 9 K, 7-1 GO/AO
yea i saw that great news
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by astrosfan1989 on Jul 24, 2011 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Im really high on him.
I think if he can get his FB up to 93 or 94 mph (I dont think its out of the question) he can be a frontline starter. As it is he can be a good #3 or #4/
by YohannDookeyblue on Jul 24, 2011 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions
We have the chance to be kingmakers this year
We are in a position to impact all the NL division races with trades!
I personally like the idea of sending Bourn to Atlanta, Pence to Philly, Barmes+Wandy to Arizona.
Hold on to Myers for the off-season unless a deal knocks our socks off and hope he builds value in the second half.
This piano piece expresses my feelings for the Astros' 1st half
Titled Clair de lune, written by a French composer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlvUepMa31o
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I had been hoping last year at this time that we would trade him to to the Twinkies
for Ramos and some prospects
How do you feel about this trade
Valle, Biddle, Singleton!
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by orangeblood kid on Jul 24, 2011 8:58 PM CDT reply actions
yea i want dom brown first
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by astrosfan1989 on Jul 24, 2011 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, but with the way Pence is playing...
Hopefull yPence turns it around and has a good week.
Sure could us a UPton like day 4-4. JUp is finally reaching his ceiling.
by YohannDookeyblue on Jul 24, 2011 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I am with you May instead of Valle..
And honestly I want Julio Rodriguez as well..
Brown/Biddle/Rodriguez would be my first option
Singleton/Biddle/May/Rodriguez would be my second
I think you could get Singleton/Biddle/rodriguez
BUT, Mr. Wade probably wont do that cause he wants guys closer to the majors//
by YohannDookeyblue on Jul 24, 2011 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactry.
We have to contend w the Rays now as well since Upton’s on the block.
Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
by YohannDookeyblue on Jul 24, 2011 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Here is to hoping
Here is to hoping that by mid week Upton ends up a Nationals and Beltran ends up with the Giants(since he basically said no AL teams).
All the market will belong to us.
My son played against him in high school. I have never seen the fascination everyone has with him.
He has pretty good speed, and a good arm, and he has shown more power than I expected, but I always believed he would be a free swinging, low average hitter.
I agree
He had a great year in 2007 and a good one in 2008 but his BABIP was out of this world both seasons and since it has come down to earth he has been below average at best.
by Crzycjunx76 on Jul 24, 2011 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
In a trade with the Phillies, I would prefer to pass on Brown (I agree he has superstar ability), in favor of multiple prospects such as Biddle, May, Colvin, Singleton, Valle, etc.
I would love to have Brown, but think we get better value this way. Each of these have above average potential.
Is Carlos Lee tradeable?
Does Lee have a “No Trade” Clause in his contract?
I’ve just wondering if Lee might waive his NT clause(If he has one) if the Astros potentially could trade Lee+ Cash(Whatever) to a team like Texas, Boston or NYY?
I don't even want a prospect back I would just give him away
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by orangeblood kid on Jul 24, 2011 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Lee had his full NTC expire
His 10/5 were due to kick in this off-season, but we would have free reign to trade him this season. However last off-season we negotiated with him that in exchange for waving his 10/5 rights we would agree to a limited NTC for the remainder of his deal. So that is where we currently stand.
Somewhat realistic dream trade deadline for me
Myers to the Rangers for Roman Mendez and Justin Grimm; Rangers get a guy that can pitch in their rotation or out of the bullpen for much cheaper than what it would take to get a Heath Bell. Astros get two hard throwing righties that need to be refined a bit but have high ceilings if they can put it together. Neither are ranked very high in the Rangers system but they have produced pretty impressive numbers thus far into their careers
Wandy to the DBacks for Pat Corbin, Ryan Wheeler and Chase Anderson; DBacks get a desperately needed starting pitcher in Wandy (they are 22nd in team era) stros get a solid not spectacular deal for wandy in which they add to their pitching and third base depth, two areas that are much needed
Michael Bourn to the Braves for Randall Delgado, David Filak, Adam Milligan; I’m a big fan of both Filak and Delgado and love what their ceilings could potentially be, With Milligan your just taking a chance on what could be an impact bat, can never have enough of those
Finally….Pence to the Phillies for Zach Cosart, Jesse Biddle, Jon Singleton; Cosart has absolutely electric stuff, but im a little worried about his violent delivery, could be a injury risk; love everything about Biddle, big power lefty with a clean delivery, and finally getting a guy with the hit and power tools that singleton could posses would be huge for our system (plus i kind of have this vision of singleton and nash playing LF and 1B in corpus next year…talk about some bash brothers)
anyway here’s what the final returns would be:
6 RHP (Cosart, Delgado, Mendoz, Filak, Grimm and Anderson)
2 LHP (Corbin and Biddle)
1 OF (Milligan)
1 3B (Wheeler)
What do yall think?
if they don't give up cosart...
Id be more than fine with a package of Singleton, Biddle, Colvin/May , and Valle
yea, valle may be a little to much in that package though
might be a lesser prospect like jiwan james, or a reliever like schwimmer
Seems a little optimistic bc I don’t think Philly gives up cosart
by wdh001 on Jul 24, 2011 9:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
which i would actually be fine with
i like biddle better than him, and i really like both may and colvin as interchangeable prospects in a deal
Either Cosart or Singleton.
Probably not both
by YohannDookeyblue on Jul 24, 2011 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions
long shot but would be awsome
would complete a good stock of the minors
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by astrosfan1989 on Jul 24, 2011 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
We really need something like this.
I especially like your Myers to Rangers suggestion. Though, we would probablyu have to eat some of the contract
by YohannDookeyblue on Jul 24, 2011 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions
if i was wade id be extremely willing to eat salary
think about it whats better to present to crane, i cut this much salary, OR look at the return i got?
plus he's unlikely to keep his job anyway
so i don’t think its really any hair off his back how much salary he cuts
Yeah, I agree. Myers is a good long relief option for clubs.
Hell he could be a an absolute shutdown set up man. Just eat some of the salary Ed.
by YohannDookeyblue on Jul 24, 2011 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Minor League Overhaul: Add in the Kepp Trade, & 1st pick next year, Holy Shi...
8 (9) RHP: Cosart, Delgado, Mendez, Grimm, Filak, Anderson, Sosa, Stoffel, (Lance McCullers)
2 LHP: Corbin, Biddle
1 (2) OF: Milligan, (Nick Williams)
1 (2) 3B: Wheeler, (Trey Williams)
I think you overvalued most of our guys, but even if we get some of these guys back, wow do our Minor Leagues look good.
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i'd be fine with Past. instead of him
real two pieces of the deal are delgado and filak
thats what we need
A complete overhaul of the system would be the quickest way to be relevant again instead of signing bill halls and Pedro feliz
by wdh001 on Jul 24, 2011 9:20 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I know, I was being silly earlier
We just really need to build through the draft, get some high-upside talent through trades, and really invest in Latin talent. I hope Crane really drives that philosophy as we really didn’t splash any IFA signings.
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It seems I am just about the only person advocating for McCullers as the first pick.
I understand it is early and things may change drastically, but right know, he has ace potential. We really need this type in our system.
I see what youre saying.
But HS pitchers dont get taken #1 overall. Hes undersized (compared to who we usually take) and there is 2 guys with the last name Williams who are complete badasses – and Trey plays plus, plus D at 3rd, and Nick is a hometown boy compared to Ken Griffey Jr.
Ill have to watch McCullers more though.
by YohannDookeyblue on Jul 24, 2011 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Can not argue with anything you said.
High school pitchers have the greatest bust potential. I actually think the best way to get an ace is through trade or free agency, but it may be a while before we are in a position to do either. I am well aware of the Williams boys – you could make a case for either one. The nice thing is any of the three would be good choices – which leads me to believe we will be looking at the two Stanford players.
Unless McCullers makes himself the CLEAR number 1 pick
go with the best high school bat; more of a sure thing; then in the later rounds go overslot on some high upside HS pitchers. seems to be the surest way to hit big in the draft on most occasions
If the hard slot comes into play next year, you will not be able to do this. Those "overslot" players will get only what their draft position allows for.
Most of them will go to college to improve their draft position.
its tough cause you have no idea how other teams value their own prospects
I think the Bourn and Wandy trades are extremely reasonable returns. You never know with Myers, I just think he would fit perfectly for what they need; thought grimm and mendez was a pretty fair return, while they are both pitching well, they aren’t busting into top 100 lists anytime soon. I admit the Pence trade was a bit optimistic.
However talking with one of my buddies who is a pretty knowledgeable Phillies fan said he thinks they’d be more willing to trade cosart than biddle.
The trade we worked out that seems to be pretty fair is Cosart Singleton Colvin and Jiwan James
BJ Upton has been tossed in the mix as well.
Not bias, but I think Pence is a better player.
by YohannDookeyblue on Jul 24, 2011 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Upton has actually
been pretty bad for the last three seasons. His name and his talent carry weight but for a contender I am not sure what he brings. I really do not consider him to be a legitimate competitor with Pence and Beltran amongst options for contending clubs.
Agreed.
He had a good 07 season and Postseason and he has a pretty swing and hes fast twich all kinds of uber athletic – but, he is what he is. His brother is way better than him, and Id say Bourn is better than him as well.
He has on OPS of .706 and has hit 15 HR’s. HR’s are overvalued at the trade deadline though, and my guess is he’ll be viewed as more valuable than Bourn.
by YohannDookeyblue on Jul 24, 2011 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
MLB network
anyone watching their memorable trade countdown? It’s pretty good
by wdh001 on Jul 24, 2011 9:13 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Here is some good news
JIM BOWDEN
Tigers GM Dave Dombrowski has been very open about his search for a starting pitcher….Wandy Rodriguez, Kuroda, Harang leading candidates
When you ask Carlos Lee what his favorite place to play is, and he anwsers with the words, anywhere with a Buffet. You know theirs a real problem.
by orangeblood kid on Jul 24, 2011 9:20 PM CDT reply actions
[Hypothetical] Wandy to the Yanks. Who an we get?
Let me start off by saying, I’m not sold on Betances and Banuelos. They are both getting up there in age for prospects, yet the Yanks don’t call them up for help and they are DESPERATE for pitching help. While both of them have electric stuff, they walk a LOT of batters for older minor leaguers. A 2/1 K/BB ratio is not impressive to me for an “advanced prospect” and the Yanks refusal to call them up and see what they have speaks volumes. Just your typical overhyped Yankee prospects.
If we WERE to move to the AL, how about Jesus Montero as our DH? The Yanks seem like they are looking fro any reason to get rid of him.
Austin Romine, not a fan. More glove than bat. We already have Castro.
Assuming we eat some of Wandy’s salary, what are the chances we could get some young prospects like Gary Sanchez and Cito Culver? Both very toolsy like Heck likes, but very far from the majors to not sting for the Yanks to give up.
I said this earlier today
But people need to try to avoid getting their hopes up about the return for a Wandy trade. I think it’s reasonable to except a top 50 prospect, maybe even two, for Pence, but Wandy is a different story. Teams do not view him as having much surplus value. If/when we trade him, it will primarily be a salary dump to offload his contract, with maybe a B- prospect or two coming back.
http://www.crawfishboxes.com
if we got brackman warren phelps id be amazed
i dont think there’s any chance we get banuelos, betances, noesi, nova, montero romine….from what it sounds like anyway
Arrogant NYY FO always try low ball selling teams at this time of year so dont believe
everything you read or hear right now
i’m hoping the reports that AL teams want no part of Wandy are greatly exaggerated, but as of now it doesn’t sound as if they are trying to lowball us, just that they are not interested
hopefully as the deadline draws near and teams realize there’s still not really any pitching help out there, the market will pick up on him and we’ll have someone overpay for his services
The low balling was in reference to the reports of those guys wwere off limits. Its
ALWAYS that way with the NYY top prospects every year
Oh yea, i dont think there off limits per say
just that they aren’t going to trade them for Wandy because they don’t like Wandy
On another note
Villar has really turned things around very rapidly in recent games. I think he is up over .700 OPS in AA ball now, after tonight… which is all I can really ask for at his age. I’m impressed with what he’s done lately.
http://www.crawfishboxes.com
I think Bourn and Wandy can/will bring back similar trades
Both players should bring back 2 high ceiling high floor prospects/3 high ceiling low floor prospects.
by Its Gonna Happen on Jul 24, 2011 9:53 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Bourn has more value than Wandy
He is on a much lower salary and requires far less financial commitment. And he is a similar quality player. I see Bourn bringing back a return such as, one borderline top 50 prospect and one or two grade C filler guys.
Wandy, realistically, I see him bringing back something like a B- prospect, a C+ prospect, and a grade C filler prospect. Unless we send a lot of money back in the deal to get a better return, which I don’t expect to happen since the Astros are trying to cut payroll to $60M. Maybe if we can somehow convince a different team to take on all of Myers’ salary before trading Wandy.
http://www.crawfishboxes.com
If Wandy goes with some money (Wade's habbit)
I can realisticaly see a top 5 organizational player and a 15-20 guy
by Its Gonna Happen on Jul 24, 2011 10:04 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
It may be Wade's habit in the past
But reports are (granted, it’s possible they’re not true) that he has been given a mandate this year to reduce the payroll to $60M. Since the payroll currently sits at approximately $77M, it may be quite difficult to get it down to that level while still sending cash in the deal.
http://www.crawfishboxes.com
We need to shed approxomately 17 million
Actually 16,969,000 from our current payroll. However if you are talking next seasons payroll that number changes a bit because of incremental raises in contracts and arbitration so it is probably more like 25 of what next years payroll is meant to be.
However I dont think the FO would have a problem paying the rest of this seasons salary for a traded player as part of a deal.
I still think trading Lee is key to this, I dont care what we get back even if we agree to pay all of this years salary and half of next years because that saves us 9.25mil on next years payroll. If you combine that with the money Pence, Bourn, and Barmes are currently making that saves us about 24.48 million in salary and gets us very close to a 60 million dollar payroll. Now you could afford to eat some of Myers and Wandy’s salary in a trade without worrying about that mark.
The key is being able to offload Lee… make it freakin happen please.
by Crzycjunx76 on Jul 24, 2011 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And pay them in effect 20million dollars to do it(rest of this season and half of next)
because saving the 9.25 mil is worth more to us now than Lee.
by Crzycjunx76 on Jul 24, 2011 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Well good luck convincing another team he will continue this next season
but right now he is 10th in WAR amongst all Left Fielders and about 85th total out of all major league players.
Fangraphs gives him a dollar value of 8.5million for this season which means we are overpaying for his services by about 10 million right now. However if you can convince a GM on Lees trade list that he will match his performance this season during 2012 then you could make a case for the 9.5mil we would be asking them to take on being completely reasonable.
The case I would make is that he has been trending upwards as this season has progressed and next season is a contract year so he will be additionally motivated for one last payday.
Who knows if there would even be a nibble… Preferably the return on the trade would be some ancient AAAA player like the ghost of Brandon Duckworth or Jason Lane who is organizational filler that could fill in on our gutted roster for the remainder of the season.
by Crzycjunx76 on Jul 24, 2011 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Barmes
I think we could get a similar trade to Kepp maybe more maybe less. He has more power and better defense but a much lower average. He also plays at a premium position so take that for what you will.
by Its Gonna Happen on Jul 24, 2011 10:01 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Thats good news
@jimcallisBA Jim Callis
99.9% he signs, but likely Aug. 15. @zachmayer14: Is Springer not signing w/#Astros? Getting more frustrated he hasn’t signed yet. #mlbdraft
When you ask Carlos Lee what his favorite place to play is, and he anwsers with the words, anywhere with a Buffet. You know theirs a real problem.
by orangeblood kid on Jul 24, 2011 9:53 PM CDT reply actions
I think he would have more to lose than to gain by going back to college. ESPECIALLY with the question on the draft cap next year.
WAIT!!! Will this affect our #1 pick next year? If we can’t spend crazy money because of a cap or a hard slot or whatever is that going to sway us from HS prospects? Now I’m worried
by Its Gonna Happen on Jul 24, 2011 10:13 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
But if that happens then why would a kid risk not being the number 1 pick 3 years later. You can’t make more than the first pick if it’s a hard slot or cap.
by MadMartygan on Jul 24, 2011 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I would think with either hard slot or cap the entire first round would be protected picks
in case of someone with school eligibility remaining returning to school just because they dont like the team that picked them.
Really what it does effect is our ability
to have bad arse drafts and catch up to other organizations that way. Since going over slot is how many of the mid tier and higher tier market teams keep their minors strong when they pick at the bottom of the round. Of course since it is unlikely that we would end up with an international draft (just dont see it) that means the teams with strong presences in Latin America and the Pacific Rim would be at a huge advantage. We scrapped most of our camps and facilities back in the middle of the last decade so we better get cracking on rebuilding our pipeline. Texas is going to be filthy… they might have 5-8 guys in next seasons BA top 100, they have a stacked low minors, and probably the strongest major league presence in Latin America right now.
by Crzycjunx76 on Jul 24, 2011 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
With our new LA Academy Im expecting to see some of these guys starting making
their way through our farm system in the next few years as well as the highly publicized IFA signings.
The one in the Dominican?
It was actually not a new presence in the DR just an upgrading of our previous academy there. The improvements there will help a bit, but we really miss the Venezuelan academy which was a major asset (closed in 2008) as well as several minor camps we have closed over the last 6 seasons and not replaced throughout the region.
by Crzycjunx76 on Jul 24, 2011 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought that the Astros had completely abandoned all of LA and didnt know/forgot they
had an academy there
Well compared to most teams we have abandoned LA
I mean Tampa has several academy’s including a brand spanking new one in Brazil and I believe they have one in the DR and another in Venezuela. We really need to re-commit to LA.
by Crzycjunx76 on Jul 24, 2011 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Eh...
I wouldn’t go overboard with it. As long as we commit to drafting and player developement in general, I think we’ll be good.
by Its Gonna Happen on Jul 24, 2011 11:17 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
The problem is
our drafts have been average which is not going to get us anywhere fast even with good trades of our current players. Even if we have good drafts in the future catching the teams in front of us will be difficult, specifically given the fact that THEY are investing in LA. Getting good prospects from LA is not about offering bonus money, it is about offering the bonus money after you have had a couple years working with these kids, determining their talent, and earning their trust.
by Crzycjunx76 on Jul 24, 2011 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Absolutely correct. Trust is more important than the money.
But I do not agree with the idea that we have abandoned LA. At one time the Astros were the “it” team in Venezula. We shut down the academy years after we lost that distinction. There are only six teams left in that country. Everybody is like us, moving to the DR. Every year we have signed numerous players from the area. What we did do is tightened up the money to sign the best players. For a number of years it seemed we went quantity over quality. Last year we made a big play in the market. This year, only a couple of signings – that has worried me, but I suspect that is because of the switch over.
kind of....
we’ve been committed to drafting and player development for 3 years now, and while we have built the foundation to have a good farm system we still are a long ways a way from having a farm system thats able to sustain and replenish a championship caliber team.
You have to get the right guy in here to not only make the right moves through the draft (some of the wade/heck picks have been questionable, especially early on) but also that knows how to handle free agency situations, get the right managers and coaches throughout the system, etc etc.
Friedman has proven that he is an elite GM, having a owner that is willing to spend money in the right places and having a good gm are the two most important facets to an organization. It is all more important that Crane desperately wants Andrew, because it shows that he respects and values his opinion and more importantly will listen and let HIM run the franchise.
Make no mistake getting Friedmen would be HUGE for the stros
by strosfan31 on Jul 24, 2011 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
With Houston being his hometown and his dad interested in purchasing
the Astros it would an interesting situation to watch friedman with a real ML budget after the intial low payroll for a year or two.
Maybe thats why they're being extremely cautious with Ovando?
He could be the poster boy for Astros Latin American prospects in years to come.
by Its Gonna Happen on Jul 24, 2011 11:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Fingers crossed everyone!
Hoping he’s not fragile, is truely talented, and will be a big face in Astros history someday.
As of right now he’s just a lot of hype.
by Its Gonna Happen on Jul 24, 2011 11:14 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
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