In Defense of Ed Wade
It is easy to be down on the Astros right now. At 31-64, they are stating their case as the most embarrassing team in the history of Houston sports. Hoards of angry fans with torches and pitchforks are tramping down Crawford Street, intending to make the responsible people pay for the travesty that is the 2011 Houston Astros. The most common target, if one were to take a spot survey of callers into local sports radio programs, is General Manager Ed Wade.
A little history: in 2007, coming off of two disappointing years in which they predictably failed to return to the playoffs after their first ever World Series berth, the Houston Astros fired then-GM Tim Purpura and hired Ed Wade to right the ship. Rightly or wrongly, some circles credited Wade for overseeing the farm system rebuild that eventually led to the Phillies' success, though he was sent packing after eight years of playoff-less baseball. The hiring was seen as questionable by some people, who pointed out Wade's prior relation to team president Tal Smith.
The for-and-against cases judging Wade's tenure as Astros GM, with respect to managing player rosters in particular, are actually quite interesting. This article will present the viewpoint that Ed Wade is mostly a victim of circumstance, and that his presumed vision for the Astros has not had time to bear fruit. A future article will give the opposite case, that Wade has botched the job and made a bad situation worse.
My major sources for this article were Cot's Baseball Contracts, MLB Trade Rumors' excellent transaction tracker, Wikipedia (of course), and MLB.com
A Situation Inherited
In 2007, the Astros boasted a payroll of $87,750,000, well within the top half in all of baseball. This included several large contracts backloaded to increase with coming years. To make matters worse, the farm clubs were so barren of talent that Baseball America ranked it among the worst in the majors. So on a failing club with no farm system, Wade faced immovable contracts, rising costs, and the expectation to trim payroll once it was clear the Astros could not buy their way into contention again.
Heavyweight Contracts:
- In 2006, GM Tim Purpura signed Carlos Lee to a 6-year, $100MM contract with full no-trade clause. Lee was well-known as an excellent hitter with a bad body and bottom-barrel defensive skills. In addition, the Lee contract was back-loaded, which payed him $11M in '07, $12M in '08, then $18.5M for each of the next four seasons. Meanwhile, Lee got noticeably heavier, his bat became noticeably slower, and his outfield defense worsened to an unplayable point. But what choice did Wade have but to instruct his managers to keep running the big guy out there?
- In 2006, Purpura signed 40-year old soft-tosser Woody Williams to a 2-year, $12.5M contract, essentially throwing money away at a bad starter obviously well past his sell-by date.
- In 2006, Purpura extended Roy Oswalt to a 5-year, $73M contract, also backloaded to increase from $13M in '07 to $14M in '09, to $15M in '10, to $16M in '11 and beyond. With a full no-trade clause and a player option for 2012. Incidentally, as part of the agreement to trade Oswalt to the Phillies in 2011, the Astros still have to pay $7M of his contract.
- In 2005, Purpura extended Lance Berkman with a 6-year, $85MM contract. Again, backloaded. After $10.5M in 2005, it jumped to $14.5M annually, until his $15M club option for 2011 kicked in. The Astros were required to pay $4M of his contract after trading him to the Yankees in 2010.
Organizational Talent
Back when Gerry Hunsicker was GM of the Astros, the team was widely considered to have one of the top--if not the top--farm systems in basball. A series of trades later (Randy Johnson, Carlos Beltran, Jason Jennings, etc), de-emphasis on scouting and player development by the GM's and the owner, too many Class-A and -B free-agent signings, and refusal to pay over-slot for draftees, and the Astros were cellar-dwellers to stay. Ask the Pirates, Royals, and Rays: building a farm system can take a decade. It can be ruined overnight.
- In 2005, Baseball America ranked the Astros #22 in organizational talent (farm system).
- In 2006, they were ranked #20.
- In 2007, Baseball Prospectus ranked the Astros #28 of 30.
- In 2007, Purpura signed enough free agents to lose his 1st and 2nd-round draft pick rights, then failed to sign his top two draftees, from the 3rd and 4th rounds.
Ownership Instability
Team owner Drayton McLane is in the process of selling the Astros to Houston busienssman Jim Crane. Two years ago, McLane attempted to sell the Astros to Crane before the deal fell through. For years, it is obvious that McLane has been trying to sell the Astros, and it is not a leap to consider that he would not want to heavily invest himself in the future of a franchise that he knew he would not be a part of.
During this time, McLane has gone on record refusing to allow "rebuilding", meaning that any trades of major players to acquire young talent could happen only after those major players were well past the prime of their careers (Oswalt, Berkman).
This meant that through the years of ownership instability, Wade has been expected to improve a club with inconsistent resources.
Resources Available
As shown above, Ed Wade was hamstrung from the beginning by an old-fashioned ownership philosophy about paying premium dollar for aging vetarans. The Astros have been financially inflexible during his tenure, weighed down by bad contracts from previous regimes, tied with the expectation to continually lower payroll. He had no young talent in the farm system to fall back on.
Positive Steps Made
Given the restrictions, Wade did what he could.
Reinvestment in the Farm System
- Wade hired Bobby Heck, the well-respected manager of scouting and player development who groomed such players as Corey Hart, Ryan Braun, Prince Fielder, and Yovani Gallardo during his tenure with the Brewers.
- Under Wade's direction, the Astros opened a new facility in the Dominican Republic to serve as a baseball academy, recruiting ground, and school for promising young Latin American baseball players.
- Wade reversed owner Drayton McLane's refusal to sign over-slot for draftees, signing well-regarded prospects Jordan Lyles, Jason Castro, Delino DeShields Jr, Mike Foltynewicz, J.D. Martinez, and Jiovanni Mier, in addition to the 2011 draft class.
- Wade refocused efforts to sign foreign free agents, including new Baseball Prospectus Top-50 prospect Jose Altuve, Ariel Ovando, and others. (EDIT: I just realized that Altuve was a Tim Purpura signing. Credit to Tim there. I still say that Wade's team needs the lion share of credit for his development and for pushing him when he excelled in A+ and AA this season.)
- Wade acquired prospects in trade to contribute to the depth of the farm system, including Jonathan Villar, Jimmy Paredes, and Mark Melancon, who currently serves as the Astros' closer.
Acquisition through Trade
- Wade acquired gold-glove winner and NL Steals leader Michael Bourn in trade for embattled closer Brad Lidge.
- Wade acquired current Astros 1B Brett Wallace, current Astros starter J.A. Happ, and more for Roy Oswalt, despite the prohibitive contract and no-trade clause.
- As noted, Wade acquired current Astros closer Mark Melancon (and more!) for a broken and listless Lance Berkman, despite the prohibitive contract and no-trade clause.
- Wade controversially acquired shortstop Miguel Tejada for Luke Scott and a bag of nothing. Say what one will, Tejada was one of the better offensive players for the Astros in 2009, with team-leading .313 batting average.
- Jeff Keppinger, traded from the Reds in 2009, has been one of the most invaluable Astros players since, at a very low cost.
- Randy Wolf was a good starter for the Astros as they made a late push in 2008.
- Clint Barmes, though no star, contributes adequately at shortstop, and only cost Wade a starting pitcher with control problems.
Creative Free-Agent Signings and Waiver Claims
Despite a shrinking budget and increasing obligation to pay rising contract costs, Wade managed to field a competitive team until 2011, when all of the above factors came to a head. Keep in mind, as unexciting as these players were, they were likely the best Wade could afford, given budget constraints.
- Brett Myers was signed to a one-year deal and had the best season of his career in 2010.
- Kaz Matsui performed admirably at 2B until repeated injuries brought his career in America to a messy end.
- Jason Michaels is a fine fourth outfielder
- Matt Down was claimed on waivers and led the majors in pinch-hit home runs for a time
- Nelson Figueroa was a cheap and excellent 5th starter in 2010
- Alberto Arias and others currently serve for the major league bullpen
- Doug Brocail had his best years as a member of the Astros at the end of his career, and is now the pitching coach for the major league team.
Conclusion
As shown, Ed Wade was put into an impossible position: an inflexible, shrinking budget in the midst of increasing costs, a league-worst farm system that held no grade-A talent for the future, an unstable ownership situation, and unreasonable expectations.
He planted the seeds for a farm system that is growing in grudging respectability, has managed to field a team that until 2011 was at least not an embarrassment, has managed the egos of disgruntled former stars, has managed an out-of-touch owner who aggressively resisted progress, and has managed to shrink the yearly budget, as instructed.
Given the situation, it is difficult to believe any other GM could have performed any better than Wade has. No GM has a spotless record, and Wade's resume as Astros GM has its share of blemishes, but as any employed person knows, being expected to do a job while being withheld the resources to do so is an impossible task.
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Great post
I don’t love Wade, but people are way too harsh on him when the blame should be put on Purpura and McLane. You earned a rec from me.
by Patrick Harrel on Jul 20, 2011 11:08 AM CDT reply actions
Thank you!
Thanks! I’ve had a blog on mlblogs.com for a long time that nobody reads. I figured starting to post here would get me more feedback (to improve my writing). Definitely appreciate you reading it.
Next post will be the case AGAINST Ed Wade. I bet my ultimate conclusion will be that he hasn’t done a GREAT job, but under the circumstances, who could?
I agree with most of your points, and you certainly have been thorough. I agree that Wade gets more blame then he deserves. However, that is a separate question (in my mind) from the issue of his future with the new ownership. If I were the new owner, I probably would want a clean slate at the top and put in place a GM who shares my views on the new course for the franchise. I don’t know if that will be Mr. Crane’s approach, but my guess is that it will be. Wade has his positive skills, and perhaps he could be shifted to a function where he can focus on what he does well. (That could be awkward, though, depending on the new GM; so, I’m not sure it works from an organizational perspective.)
I also have to agree with most of your post. I don’t think Ed Wade is a bad GM. I have not liked all of his moves, some have backfired while others made him look like a genius, but with new ownership comes a new front office. Most of the problems, like you alluded to are from higher up and that is what needs and what has needed to be cleaned out.
IMHO Andrew Friedman is NOT coming to Houston to be the GM as all the rumors are hoping, but maybe you could offer him Tal Smith’s job as President of Baseball Operations and allow him to hire the new GM and the Astros might have something.
by rlrafuse on Jul 20, 2011 11:36 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Really, really great post
I’m not a Wade hater. I have liked most of the moves he has made. He’s shown an incredible skill at finding relief pitchers off waivers. His drafts appear to have been at least average. And your point about the circumstances he inherited is valid. The main gripe I have with him would be his free agency signings, which, aside from Brett Myers, have been fairly abyssmal. All in all, I’d grade him a C+ job.
Good post. Timely, too, with all of the weeping and gnashing of teeth over the Keppinger trade yesterday.
Is Wade a great GM? No. Has he done as well as can be expected with the trainwreck of a franchise he was given? I believe he has. I won’t shed a tear if he is gone by the end of the season, but he has yet to make a move that I feel was downright awful and unforgivible.
by Stupendous Man on Jul 20, 2011 12:08 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Completely agree
Thanks to all for reading and commenting.
I completely agree with Stupendous Man here (great handle, by the way). I’m putting together the opposite case right now, and I’m finding I don’t like Wade as much as I did yesterday. I think a “C” grade is appropriate, but I don’t envy the position he’s been in.
P.S. I have no beef with the Keppinger trade. He was playing over his head since return from DL, and getting two young arms with late-inning bullpen upside is probably about where his value is.
You certainly give as positive an outlook as you can on most of his moves
1st I like what he has done with his re-emphasis on the farm, but he hasn’t produced what is considered a top 20 talent in three years, and hasn’t really been aggressive in his drafting.
2nd you can’t say that the tejada trade wasn’t awful when Luke Scott has been just as good if not better than him, plus they gave up a two pitchers currently in the major leagues, albers with the red sox, patton just got the call up to the orioles a few days ago after posting and era of 1 something in AAA. And Tejada’s name predictably came out in the mitchell report a day after the trade in what would have hurt his value tremendously
3rd Kaz Matsui was absolutely nothing but a terrible signing, you can’t spin that any other way, not even by saying if he hadn’t gotten hurt he would’ve been good, because guess what? Kaz Matsui was injury prone his entire career
4th how the heck did he sign lyon to that deal when he could’ve have just offered Hawkins arb.?
5th why target a 30 year old ss in a trade when you know you aren’t going to be anywhere near contention?
6th As a GM he was incapable of dealing with Roy O behind the scenes, leading to Roy’s sabotaging of his trade value.
7th kepp is currently a type A free agent under the elias rankings and look at what we got for him
8th Hasn’t been aggressive in locking up young players; why we are heading into a situation where it might be better to trade pence and bourn
9th inexplicably let wigginton and wolf walk
10th No mention of Pedro Feliz? you’d have to acknowledge it was a terrible signing but you could’ve spinned it into he made a great trade for carpenter
Im not saying he has been absolutely terrible, and he has certainly was dealt a tough hand having to inherit the team he did, and deal with Drayton seemingly losing interest in the team and not wanting to spend on it anymore. But I don’t think he’s really done enough to warrant Crane keeping him by an means. He was serviceable, in a no win situation for him, and now its time for both sides to move on
Yep!
Most of the points you bring up will be in my next post. I have mixed feelings on the Tejada trade, though. Scott hasn’t been THAT good, and the Astros outfield (all 3 of them) has been quite a bit better. Albers and Patton look to be Quad-A tweener types that will never make an impact anywhere but in middle relief. Meanwhile, Tejada had a pretty good season at a position that’s difficult to fill (SS). But signing him the day before the Mitchell Report came out….yeah, that was questionable.
Keppinger may a type A FA on the report but let's be honest here, he is not worth that FA
rating. He is more likely a Type B FA after next season. last year and this season Keppinger has been above his head on a team that stinks up every stadium it plays in. I think a lot of folks overvalue him because of good he looks on this horrible team we have. there is no way that Keppinger keeps up this pace for the next three to four years. He’s already 31 and on the downside of his career honestly. I think we got what Keppinger’s true value is in this trade. Keppinger may start for SF the rest of the season but they will most likely try move him next year or let him walk after next season unless they offer a one to two year deal until a MiLBer is ready to take over.
If anything Kepp may be undervalued there are only 10 second baseman in all of baseball, with as many or more PA, ahead of him in wOBA.
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by Timothy De Block on Jul 20, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Keppinger is most likely a super sub bench player on most teams. On this team he
is/was the starting 2nd baseman. Just wait until Altuve starts playing and begins to mature then you will hopefully see what a true second baseman is like. One with range, excellent glove skills, intelligent (not that Keppinger wasn’t), has power, hustles, and drives in runs.
Have you looked into that?
I counted 11 teams he would of been an upgrade for offensively.
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by Timothy De Block on Jul 20, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
He’s 11th in wOBA among second baseman with at least 170 PA, he’s an above average second baseman. If you haven’t noticed the run environment in baseball has changed particularly at the middle infield position where players aren’t jacking 30 HR’s anymore.
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by Timothy De Block on Jul 20, 2011 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Im not looking for 2nd bagger to hit 30 HRs. I want a guy that can cover
more ground than Keppinger can and can also drive in runs with a bit more pop than what Keppinger has. As much as I like Kepp because of the way goes about his business and plays the game old school style he is about to become a huge defensive liability as he ages. Kepp is at his max potential right now at the age of 31. He’s not going to get better. I see the reasoning for trading him now for a couple of reasons. One, we have/had Altuve basically waiting in the wings although he could have had a bit more seasoning in AA imo. Two, at the age of 31 he is not going to be a part of the future of this organization. by the time this franchise is truly competitive again Kepp could be 35 or 36 or possibly already retired. Ed did the right thing and traded high and got what was most likely the going rate for Keppinger.
He's a below average defender at second base
So that hurts him quite a bit. But whether the idea is sabermetrically sound or not, StrosSouth is right about how teams view him. That’s just how it is, unfortunately. Maybe it’s because he’s such a one-dimensional player (he hits for average and that’s about it), maybe it’s a relic of how he was viewed in the past which he can’t shake free, but whatever it is, teams think of him as a bench guy and not much more.
Even if you think he’s good enough to start every day, though, you have to admit he isn’t an impact piece, he’s a complementary player at best. Teams rarely give up good prospects for complementary pieces, even ones who are capable of being everyday players.
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I think you are correct. Even if we think other teams should consider Keppinger’s ability as a starting second baseman, that isn’t how they view him. I believe his lack of speed, lack of HR power, and defensive range has put him in the back up / utility category. Keppinger’s offensive profile isn’t too much different from Giants’ 2d baseman Freddy Sanchez (who is injured), but Sanchez is faster and has a gold glove.
Which is why Freddy Sanchez is a good second baseman. I’m not claiming Kepp is as good as Sanchez or even that he’s a good second baseman. I am saying that he should be classified as a starter, he’s only an average starter but he’s still qualified as a starter.
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by Timothy De Block on Jul 21, 2011 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not trying to prove he's an "impace" piece
or that the Astros should of gotten more, my point is that he’s being undervalued.
His defense yes is below average, but only slightly he was right in the middle of the pack for second baseman last year. He’s an average hitter and his base running is rated average as well. For all the talk about lack of this or lack of that he’s still coming out, statistically, as an average second baseman. An average second baseman can start on several teams, which is my point.
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by Timothy De Block on Jul 21, 2011 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm with the Perry ...
… on the Tejada spin. Sure, Tejada has sucked the last couple seasons, but when he was an Astro he consistently carried a .300 average and hit for some pop. He was great as an Astro!
by super_shredder on Jul 20, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Matsui was NOT a terrible signing.
Many people make the claim as Kaz was a terrible signing. But it definitely wasn’t, and here is why:
If you recall, the offseason that Kaz was signed The Astros were looking at upgrading at 2B as a priority. The Astros had 3 options for 2B. Chris Burke, Luis Castillo, and Kaz Matsui. That’s it!
Wade made the best choice of the available options. The price may not have been to our liking, but we needed a 2B and The Cubs also wanted Kaz, thus driving up the price.
So, no Kaz wasn’t a good player. But, he was the best available, and performed better than the other two. I am just glad that Wade didn’t overpay like The Mets did by giving Castillo 4 years and more money.
by baggs on Jul 20, 2011 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nope
Uribe and Iguchi were also options. They both got 1 yr contracts. I was in favor of Iguchi at the time because he had some pop.
None of the players ended up being great deals. There was no interest from the league in giving Matsui 3 yrs. Where are you getting that from?
This is another case of half-remembrances and one-sided facts telling a story. Wade and the Astros in general have made almost universally incorrect decisions since 2004.
My first mistake was assuming you knew what I was talking about.
Luis Castillo was other 2B on FA market that year
He got 4 years $25m off the Mets and stunk the place out.
Welcome, and good job
My first thought when I saw the title was “that’s a brave stance to take.” After reading the article though (and checking some of your claims – wow, Matsui did have a good first year with us – I had forgotten) I feel like you gave a good overview of Wade’s strengths.
The minor league focus in particular has been much to his credit. The Bourn trade made him look smart too, especially given some of the more advanced stats that highlight how valuable he really is (though I somehow doubt Wade was thinking in terms of advanced sabermetrics when he made that deal.
I wonder whether Wade should have been more insistent in trying to convince McLane that the team needed to rebuild sooner rather than later. Perhaps he tried to do so but was just unsuccessful.
Oh well, maybe I’ll wait on the other negatives of his tenure until you have covered them in the next post.
by pacbellpilgrim on Jul 20, 2011 12:22 PM CDT reply actions
Before reading this post ...
… I was fairly supportive of Ed Wade and I still am. Sure he’s made some mistakes, but overall I think he has been successful in what most would consider a less than ideal situation. McLane, Purpura, and others deserve much of the blame for where the Astros are today – not Wade. I would understand if Crane wants to start clean and release Wade, but I’m all for giving him a chance to continue trying to rebuild this club.
by super_shredder on Jul 20, 2011 12:40 PM CDT reply actions
Why would you defend Wade?
These are people that are bad at their jobs and have cause me much personal agony. They are dicks. Do not be kind
My first mistake was assuming you knew what I was talking about.
by Shamus on Jul 20, 2011 12:54 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Because.
Because it’s harder than attacking him, and I like a good literary challenge.
I don’t really agree with that.
My first mistake was assuming you knew what I was talking about.
by Shamus on Jul 20, 2011 1:02 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I dont really agree with you.
by Its Gonna Happen on Jul 20, 2011 5:02 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
I think Wade
has done what he could to right the ship that Pupura, Smith, and Drayton sent on a collision with a giant iceberg of suck.
However, he’s tainted because of Tal Smith.
Wade
He has set the course for Houston making a long term run at the playoffs. He took a crap farm system, a bad team, and a naive owner and turned them into well…a worse team, but with a lot more up side. He has done wonders for this franchise though, focusing on spending millions and millions not on free agents to try and stay middle of the pack, but to instead spend on the future. He cut our losses with the ML club but we have a pretty bright future in store. The sacrifices we have all made watching a bad team year after year will pay off in the coming years when we start to see Wade’s vision from years ago come to fruition. Its just a shame Wade won’t be here to see it himself. The Astros and its affiliates were just too far gone when Wade got here to allow him to turn it around completely in a timely fashion.
For spending millions more on recruiting talent rather than paying for everybody else’s leftovers, Wade, I say thank you. No matter how crap-tastic our team has been for the last couple of years, I know without you we would still have no minor league talent to look for, no ML players to watch bloom, and still have the OLDEST team in baseball
by Its Gonna Happen on Jul 20, 2011 5:01 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
what upside? when does it start?
Do you think this team will be good in 12’? In 13’?
Who exactly is going to make this club better? You have to have above AVG players to win consistently. Who the hell projects to be above avg for the future?
Please tell me who in the hell the Astros have that will be above AVG, that is MLB AVG, in 13’!
My first mistake was assuming you knew what I was talking about.
Cedeno Kuechel Hinze Marinez Altuve Melancon F. Rodriguez Lyles Castro (even though Im not that high on Castro) C Wallace
2013 they all have arrived at the majors 2014 include Springer and the progression/maturation of the group. That’s a good group to start with, now SIT ON IT!
by Its Gonna Happen on Jul 20, 2011 6:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
To elaborate just a little
Both Cedeno and Kuechel are very capable lefties that both project to be better than what Happ has done. Cedeno has a very high K rate to boot, I would give him a #2 ceiling. C. Wallace is a high power C that can hit for good avg. Matinez has CarGo capability with his extremely high avg and good power he could definately be an above avg LFer even if only for a short while. Hinze has been compared to Ryan Howard…
by Its Gonna Happen on Jul 20, 2011 6:25 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
For the record
I fall somewhere between you guys in analysis of the Astros’ future, but definitely on the more…um… polite side.
I think Wade has improved the club’s future. How much is impossible to say at this point. However, I think your expectations for the prospects you named are a little high, and most scouting pundits agree. If Martinez even sniff’s the low end of CarGo’s numbers, I will be pleasantly surprised.
I think 2 are above avg. You’re a child. Dick
My first mistake was assuming you knew what I was talking about.
I'll show you a child!!!
Orangebloodkid get in here!
by Its Gonna Happen on Jul 20, 2011 7:16 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I want to rename you Its Not Gonna Happen
That way we can battle it out, The Pessimist vs. The Optimist! To the death!!
by Its Gonna Happen on Jul 20, 2011 7:27 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Nice job calling someone a dick while assaulting someone's OPINION
and then calling THEM a child. cool story bro
by linkxmalon on Jul 21, 2011 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You will never understand how little I think of what you write on this forum. Just know it makes me smile then fairly sad when I think of what your reality is.
My first mistake was assuming you knew what I was talking about.
Well I consider most of the people on these forums my friends
and I don’t take kindly to people who act in such a way as you have, to my friends. I’m sorry if sticking up for people is “sad” in your reality.
This doesn't change my view of Wade.
The Barmes-for-Paulino trade was ridiculous.
Barmes is on his way out, and heading into the year, we were a for sure non-playoff team. Yet, Wade trades a struggling, but still developing pitcher for a used up, average shortstop. That’s just flat out stupid.
Now, we trade a .307 hitter in Keppinger (who was on his way to type-a status in 2012) for two mediocre RHPs? The list goes on and on.
He has torpedoed our franchise by constantly trading young, promising prospects for veterans, most notably the Zobrist-for-Huff trade.
We’re 32-65 right now, and our top prospects aren’t due to come up until at least 2013. At that time, we may be a mediocre team at best. We probably aren’t going to be a playoff team until at least 2015, yet we still want to place hefty pricetags on vets like Pence and Wandy. Wade wants wayyy too much for Pence, and the same could be said for Wandy.
If he were to smart up and trade away the entire roster, our future would be much, much brighter.
The one thing that would send me over the edge is not trading Michael Bourn. George Springer will hopefully be like Castro and rise through the levels quickly. I’d say 2013 would be a reasonable ETA for Springer. He would then take over CF. Bourn is still 28, but we have no room for him in the future. Our future outfield is likely to be Martinez at left, Springer at center, and Ovando at right, assuming they all pan out in the minors (excluding J.D.).
Trade Pence to the Braves, so we can get Mike Minor and another good prospect in return.
Also trade Wandy, Bourn, and Myers. Myers has looked decent this season, so hopefully we can get at least a B- or B prospect in return. Bourn should net us an A- prospect, and Wandy should get us a B+ prospect.
If we do all of this, we add potential impact players to our future roster. We already have some exciting young prospects like Ovando, Springer (He will sign, no question about it), and Nash in our system. We need to keep adding onto that, espcially in the pitching department. Keuchel has had a nice season, but he’s not as proven as I would like him to be (Pitching very well at CC, but he hasn’t won me over quite yet). That’s why I want Mike Minor. He’s ready to pitch now, and he can be apart of a promising future rotation consisting of Bud Norris, Jordan Lyles, and hopefully Dallas Keuchel.
Trade everyone. If they have an ounce of value, trade them. This season, and probably next season, is lost. Pence and Wandy are not centerpieces of a franchise, and when our top prospects come up, they’ll be on their way out.
However, Ed Wade will not likely do all of this. He still thinks we can make the playoffs this year.
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by Timothy De Block on Jul 20, 2011 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow.
Could of sworn he was dealt by Wade.
My mistake.
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close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
by bone31crusher on Jul 20, 2011 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
These are funny...
•Kaz Matsui performed admirably at 2B until repeated injuries brought his career in America to a messy end.
•Jason Michaels is a fine fourth outfielder
•Matt Down was claimed on waivers and led the majors in pinch-hit home runs for a time
•Nelson Figueroa was a cheap and excellent 5th starter in 2010
•Alberto Arias and others currently serve for the major league bullpen
Man you really had to dig deep to come up with these gems.
Michael Bourn
Need I say more?
by Its Gonna Happen on Jul 20, 2011 5:30 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
When dealt lemons...
All of the statements are true, even if they ignore the “bigger picture”.
-Kaz was a good 2B for the Astros. For one season. Note I didn’t say he was worth his pay.
-Michaels is a fine fourth outfielder. He’s not a fine 3rd outfielder.
-Matt Downs was leading in PH home runs at one point this year. He’s not Chase Utley.
-Nelson Figueroa had a career year in 2010. Good for him. I didn’t say he’s had a good career.
-Alberto Arias…uh…is in the major league bullpen. That’s all I got.
Some of you guys should really like my follow-up post.
I used to be an Ed Wade defender as its not his fault that we are in the position we are in now. Lay that blame clearly on Drayton McLane, Tal Smith and Tim Purpura. However, Wade has GIVEN AWAY Oswalt for a light hitting 1B, A LHP who walks more than he strikes out and a minor leaguer who may or may not amount to anything.
Given the fact...
Given the fact that he had a no-trade clause and had to eat a ton of Oswalt’s salary, I think Wade did pretty good. Wallace and Happ are years away from their prime, and Jonathan Villar is shaping up to be a nice little player in the minors. He’s definitely on the Astros top-10 prospects list. I think it’s fair to reserve judgement on that trade for now, given the circumstances.
he didn’t do a good job because 1 he let Roy sabotage his own value, and two he took 27 year old happ over cosart, may, or worley
honestly ask yourself this, if you were coming in as an owner would you keep ed wade?
If you answer with a yes than I don’t know what to say. We need a fresh start, and he is not the man to lead us back to MLB respectability. We thank Wade for his efforts, and sympathize with the situation he was given, but to be quite frank he hasn’t done enough to warrant keeping his position next year
Hopefully though the next guy is going to be able reap the benefits of some trades he is able to make this year, and him giving us a solid foundation in the rebuilding of our farm system
I would not keep him
But that wasn’t the point of the post.

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