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Let's go back to 1994. The Astros are getting significantly better each year. They see what they think is an opportunity; they pounce....oops! At the end of the '94 season the Astros traded Steve Finleyand Ken Caminiti to the San Diego Padres for; essentially Derek Bell and Doug Brocail. Finley went on to win 5 Gold Gloves ('95, '96, '99, '00 and '04) while the Astros struggled to find an every day center fielder until Bourn came on the scene. Ken Caminiti won 3 Gold Gloves ('94, '96 and '97) and was named the 1996 NL MVP. The Astros are still looking for a 3rd basemen. Oh and let's not forget those same Padres took us out of the playoffs in 4 in the first round in 1998. My point is, the Astros traded two players who had shown their value early and they were never really able to replace them. The Astros have made these foolish decisions throughout their history. Joe Morgan for Tommy Helms.......Kenny Lofton to the Indiansfor Ed Taubensee........Rusty Staub to the Expos.......Curt Schilling to the Phillies..........Mike Cuellar to the Orioles......and John Mayberry to the Royals. Go to the internet and read what these guys did after the trades. Also look at who the Astros got in these trades.

I can almost understand moving Wandy and I completely agree with moving anyone else (Except Lyles and Norris). It's time to build around Pence and Bourn; not send them off to become perrenial All-Starsfor other teams. We are a couple of years away, maybe less if the new owner is willing to put some money into free agency. But moving Pence and/or Bourn will cripple this team for 3-5 years.

I have read the rumor about the 60million dollar payroll from Jim Crane and if that true then go ahead and trade everyone because we have seen our last winning season. We're not Tampa Bay Jimmy-Boy! And you and Ed Wade combined are not Gerry Hunsicker.

(Note: I didn't include the trade for (rental of) Randy Johnson. That one hurt but it's understandable considering Johnson was considered one of if not the best in the majors at the time. But in the aforementioned trades we didn't get close to a Randy Johnson, we didn't get close to anything worth what we gave up.)

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I really think everyone is blowing this 60 mil payroll out of proportion. Its not like Crane is saying that 60 mil is gonna be our payroll limit every year. Our team next year is going to be horrible. What he is essentially saying is that he is not going to chase any free agents this offseason. What could we realistically do in this offseason to make our team any better for next year?

by BHam2421 on Jul 19, 2011 1:37 PM CDT reply actions  

I disagree with your thought process on building around Pence and Bourne. Both are in their late 20’s and in all likelihood, will not be here when we are good again anyway. We can either wait for them to become free agents and collect draft choices when they leave or just trade them now or top prospects. There is so much parity in baseball this year that there are a ton of buyers that will drive up the price on each other. Myers, Wandy, Pence and Bourn could all be traded for prospects. Hopefully someone in a trade package we get will turn out to be a guy to build around, but Bourn and Pence are not building blocks, they are just pieces.

by BHam2421 on Jul 19, 2011 1:39 PM CDT reply actions  

This guy gets it

We haven’t even hit rock bottom yet. We are still on the way down. Bourn and Pence will be long gone before the Astros make the playoffs again, as in retired.

The big league club is BAD and there’s no immediate help coming from the minors. Martinez is good, but likely a good player like Pence, not someone who can carry a franchise. Same with Altuve.

The potential stars are at Low-A or below (Ovando, Springer, Folty).

by Raidas77 on Jul 19, 2011 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bourn is no Lofton,
Myers, Wandy are nothing like Schilling
Kepp is not Morgan
Also I do not think JD will be far off from Pence offensively when he hits the bigs.
I also think your wrong about Altuve he is a fire plug like Biggio or Pedroia the guy plays like he is 10 foot tall and bullet proof.

by Nado2036 on Jul 19, 2011 3:48 PM CDT reply actions  

No they're not....yet

What you seem to forget is when the Astros had these players they were not fully developed as players. the Astros have made several mistakes in trading players before they develope into very good to great players and these are a few examples.

Bourn is exactly what Lofton was when he was an Astro.

The Astros were trying to turn Schilling into a reliever…..nice choice.

by AstrosBill on Jul 26, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sounds like this post

is all about repeating the mistakes of the Drayton regime. You don’t build around 2/3 tool players. You trade them at their max value, in order to get younger players that might develop more than 2/3 tools, or pitching.

by Neil Leininger on Jul 19, 2011 4:34 PM CDT reply actions  

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