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Trade Scenarios: Jeff Keppinger to the Cleveland Indians

This is the first of two pieces on various trade scenarios this week. Today, we're looking at sending one Jeff Keppinger to the Cleveland Indians, thus fixing their lineup troubles. There are problems with this scenario, just like the last two, but before I lay those out, I'll say that Friday, we're going to have another one of these. It's going to be a suggestion from another writer on the site, native_astro, and I wanted to reiterate that I'm open to suggestions. Like many of you suggested, I'll try and update the Braves scenario with just Bourn, but in the meantime, if you have any ideas, feel free to email them to thecrawfishboxes@gmail.com

On to the Cleveland Indians...In case you only paid attention to the Futures Game for Jose Altuve, the U.S. Team's second baseman Jason Kipnis hit a home run and generally looked great. He's also hitting .297/.380/.506 for the Cleveland Indians Triple-A affiliate. The natural question to ask is why would Cleveland trade for Keppinger to man second base if they could just bring up Kipnis?

That's the main problem with this scenario, but doesn't entirely rule it out. After all, the Indians need some offensive help, and Kepp could play the role of super sub pretty well. After the jump, we'll break down what he might be worth and what the Astros could get for him...

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Let's use the Trade Value Calculator to see what Kepp's value might be. As a refresher, the TVC takes Kepp's projected fWAR totals over the two seasons he's under team control. Since his salary can't be known yet for 2012, we assume that his salary will be 80 percent of his total value. 

By looking at that fWAR projection and multiplying that by the cost of a win on the free agent market, we get his value based on performance. Subtract his current and future salaries from that, and you'll get his surplus value, which is what we use to calculate these trade scenarios.

Based on Kepp's stats through half this season, I've got him down for 1.5  fWAR, then 1.5 for 2012. Add to that a projected Type A free agency at the end of those two years, and Kepp's surplus value is at $11.1 million. That's a pretty good chunk of change, and is probably more than many of you expected of him. So, let's lower that total to a cool 10 million just for public perception purposes.

A quick refresher on the value of prospects shows us that a Top 50 pitcher is worth 15.9 million, a Top 100 pitcher is worth 9.8 million, a Grade B pitcher is worth 7.3 million, a Grade C+ pitcher 23 or older is worth 1.5 million and a Grade C hitter under 22 is worth 0.7 million. So, the Astros might expect to get back a Grade B pitcher or hitter and another prospect for Kepp. No one major, but it should be a nice deal for a player who could help Houston down the road.

In that respect, a deal for Kepp will probably look more like the Casey Blake deal from a few years ago (Blake to the Dodgers for Jon Meloan and Carlos Santana...before he was Carlos Santana) than the Pudge Rodriguez deal (where Houston got two prospects who didn't amount to much but were fairly well regarded at the time). Keep that in mind as we look at the following players. 

1) Nick Weglarz, OF/1B - Though not listed on a Top 100 list, Weglarz is the highest ranking player on Baseball America's Top 30 prospects on here. He's graded out as a B on John Sickels' rankings, but that may drop after he's had a disastrous year backsliding into Double-A. Weglarz is almost a mirror image of Brett Wallace. The only thing the two have in common is suspect defense. Otherwise, Weglarz is all power, no average, while Wallace is all average, no power. Picking up Weglarz would be redundant, but this team does need power.

2) Jason Knapp, RHP - I have no thoughts that Houston would ask for Knapp or that he's in play in any trade scenario. See, he recently had another shoulder surgery and has been ruled out for the rest of the season. The only reason I include him here is I think Houston would be interested in him if he weren't hurt. Knapp has an intriguing, power skillset and is still young, but injuries have been a problem. Oh, did I mention he was also drafted by the Phillies, coming to Cleveland in the Cliff Lee deal? That's why Houston might look at him.

3) Joe Gardner, RHP -  Look closely, because Gardner is the only other Type B player on this list. He's a little bit unique, in that Gardner doesn't have flashy strikeout numbers. Instead, he relies on a heavy sinker coming from a three-quarters delivery. That combination has made him effective, but some struggles with his control this season at Double-A might limit his value. He also may be projected as a big league closer instead of sticking as a starter.

4) Josh Judy, RHP - One of two players on this list to actually show time in the major leagues this season, Judy is a reliever. You know how much Ed Wade loves those guys. Judy actually profiles similarly to Mark Melancon as far as stuff goes. Both live in the low 90's with some sink, but have the makeup to be pretty good relievers. He wouldn't be a centerpiece, but Judy is intriguing enough to get in a Kepp trade.

5) Cord Phelps, 2B - The other big leaguer, Phelps may have been passed on the depth chart by Kipnis. His brief time in the bigs this season showed he can get on base at a good clip, but he's not hitting worth a damn. In the minors, Phelps showed off power and a good eye, which is a great combination. Honestly, Houston couldn't do worse than him as a second base option until Jose Altuve is ready to go.

Since we have a way to value players, that gives us Weglarz worth 5.5 million, Knapp worth 2.1 million, Gardner worth 7.3 million, Judy worth 1.5 million and Phelps worth $700,000. Now, we start slapping together some trade scenarios.

Scenario One: Astros trade Keppinger to Cleveland for Nick Weglarz, Josh Judy and Cord Phelps - Because Weglarz value is only about half of what Kepp's figures to be, we added in two more prospects to pad out the numbers. This still doesn't get Houston to 10 million in value, but it comes close. Plus, I really like both Phelps and Judy, but there's not nearly enough value there to justify sending Kepp for just the two.

Scenario Two: Astros trade Keppinger to Cleveland for Cord Phelps and Joe Gardner - Again, with this deal, Houston gets a MLB-ready second baseman to fill in for Kepp while also getting a good pitching prospect who's already fairly developed. Gardner would fit into the wave of players currently at Corpus and his floor is pretty high. Houston wouldn't get the value for Kepp in this deal, but they'd probably be happy with the return.

Scenario Three: Astros trade Keppinger to Cleveland for Joe Gardner and Josh Judy - Ditto what I said about Gardner above, just with Judy added in here. This is the deal for Ed Wade, since it gives him two potential relievers. We all know how much Ed Wade likes his relievers. 

None of these deals are terribly great, but I think I like the addition of some of the lower floor guys. Frankly, I don't like Weglarz as a centerpiece, because (as I said) he's redundant with Wallace. Gardner makes some sense, and if Houston could somehow get Gardner, Phelps and Judy, that'd be a pretty nice deal. I just doubt they'll get three prospects in return for Keppinger, however much my calculator says his value really is.

What do you think? Which deal would you make? Are there any Cleveland prospects I missed that you'd include? Do you think the Indians need Kepp in the first place?

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I can’t see Cleveland giving us more than one player for Kepp. But Kepp for Weglarz would be nice.

by Stupendous Man on Jul 14, 2011 10:13 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Scott Barnes, LHP in AAA ball

John Sickels posted a story about him on Minor League Ball today.

Money quotes:

Barnes began ‘11 with two outstanding starts for Akron, earning a promotion to Columbus where he currently stands 7-4, 3.68, with a 90/34 K/BB in 88 innings and 80 hits. Overall at the two levels, he’s got a 3.45 ERA with a 107/36 K/BB in 99 innings, 85 hits.
The southpaw is tall and thin at 6-4, 185 pounds. His mechanics are a bit unusual and he throws across his body at times, but he’s deceptive and has been quite durable. His fastball normally ranges between 89 and 93 MPH, although he’s reportedly hit 95-96 at times this year. Even at the lower velocities his fastball plays up, due to the contrast with his curve, slider, and changeup, all three secondary pitches being quite solid.

Sounds like a solid middle rotation guy. The Indians are loaded at the top end, having several elite prospects and several more elite young players who just graduated to the majors, but it’s unlikely that we’d get anything better than Barnes in exchange for Kepp.

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by OremLK on Jul 14, 2011 10:18 AM CDT reply actions  

Is getting a 2B back necessary? It seems that the Astros could plug Downs in for the rest of the year and then pick from Altuve, Paredes or Down next year. Second base is probably the most stacked position in the minors with Altuve, Paredes, Thompson, DDJ, Orloff, and Bautista.

by Reverend Koosh on Jul 14, 2011 10:20 AM CDT reply actions  

Agree

However, some 2B are capable of moving over to third base, which is a position of much greater need. Something to consider.

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by OremLK on Jul 14, 2011 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought Michaels was the “lefty killer”….

by Reverend Koosh on Jul 14, 2011 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

back when he was a left killer.

well maybe not killer, but at least good against lefties. now he’s pretty much worthless.

by Reverend Koosh on Jul 14, 2011 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Also, Kepp can play multiple positions which should enhance his value (although not really a legit SS option).

by jmike on Jul 14, 2011 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

What about Jeanmar Gomez for Keppinger? or Scott Barnes?

by rlrafuse on Jul 14, 2011 10:33 AM CDT reply actions  

What about just hanging onto Keppinger?

I think it makes some sense if the Astros can’t get max value for him. He won’t cost that much next season (around $4M) and would most likely be a Type A free agent netting an extra high draft pick in ’13.

by Reverend Koosh on Jul 14, 2011 10:39 AM CDT reply actions  

Also....

does the fact Keppinger profiles as a Type A increase his value to any team trading for him?

Let’s say the Indians did trade for Keppinger and gave up a B level prospect and a lesser prospect. The Indians would then get a 1st round and supplemental pick for Keppinger in ’13, essentially upgrading the two prospects they traded.

by Reverend Koosh on Jul 14, 2011 10:47 AM CDT reply actions  

Are you freaking kidding me?

Keppinger is more like a Ryan Theriot with more pop and less speed and you’re hoping to parlay two decent prospects in the dream? Also, Brett Wallace an all average/no pop thought. Once again…an individual who looks at a rookie season and defines a player solely by it. Wallace in the minor leagues has had an SLG% of .484 or better in his minor league years, Weglarz stands at an overall of .450….Take time, do research, and reasonably assess…geeesh

by Sanness on Jul 14, 2011 11:08 AM CDT reply actions  

Welcome to the Crawfish Boxes!

If the Astros could show any sign of being ahead, rather than being behind the competition, maybe, just maybe the Astros will be good in the future.... Maybe

by BustaPozee on Jul 14, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Some ones angry

When you ask Carlos Lee what his favorite place to play is, and he anwsers with the words, anywhere with a Buffet. You know theirs a real problem.

by orangeblood kid on Jul 14, 2011 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

We seem to be getting a lot of these folks soming here out of nowhere and just

complaining about all our players and putting down all of our prospects.

by StrosSouth on Jul 14, 2011 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dont understand what he is talking about

by Nado2036 on Jul 14, 2011 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

ya he must be a troll

When you ask Carlos Lee what his favorite place to play is, and he anwsers with the words, anywhere with a Buffet. You know theirs a real problem.

by orangeblood kid on Jul 14, 2011 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don’t think he is. Though he might be pushing it. I think he, just like all of us, has opinions of his own. And we should respect that. Maybe if he would care to elaborate we could understand what he was saying.

If the Astros could show any sign of being ahead, rather than being behind the competition, maybe, just maybe the Astros will be good in the future.... Maybe

by BustaPozee on Jul 14, 2011 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

also he could say it in a more polite way

When you ask Carlos Lee what his favorite place to play is, and he anwsers with the words, anywhere with a Buffet. You know theirs a real problem.

by orangeblood kid on Jul 14, 2011 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Considering that he just signed up and posted that the same day makes me

believe that he is a troll. A lot of these guys come over here to try make those whom they dont agree with look stupid in their opinions. Just a bunch of people looking to pick an argument with us.

by StrosSouth on Jul 14, 2011 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah he could have been a lot nicer.

If the Astros could show any sign of being ahead, rather than being behind the competition, maybe, just maybe the Astros will be good in the future.... Maybe

by BustaPozee on Jul 14, 2011 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ryan Theriot with more pop and less speed.

Don’t see the comparison.

by conroestro on Jul 14, 2011 11:22 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Kepp also walks more K’s less than Theriot. So more pop, more walks, less speed and less K. I think at this point they aren’t that alike.

Also Keppinger is a Type A, Theriot isn’t even a B.

by Reverend Koosh on Jul 14, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

So Kepp IS worth a fringe top 100 prospect…

by Snake Diggity on Jul 14, 2011 11:23 AM CDT reply actions  

Oh man

If we could land Knapp. If healthy, he’d probably be our #1 prospect…maybe behind Springer. Obviously, health is a major issue with him, but the upside is there. Even with his injury status, he’d be a top 5 Astros prospect.

by auclairkeithbc on Jul 14, 2011 12:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Does anyone think this is going to be a busy trade Deadline with the potential lockout

I have a feeling that there will be alot more trades this year than usual. WIth the current CBA expiring I think it will be very interesting.

by Nado2036 on Jul 14, 2011 2:40 PM CDT reply actions  

I don’t think anybody in baseball right now is worried about there being a lockout. Accounts from both sides seem to be pretty positive as of yet.

by Stupendous Man on Jul 14, 2011 3:17 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Just was wondering with all the crap with NBA and NFL

by Nado2036 on Jul 14, 2011 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

For a moment

It looked like #4 said Judge Judy. Lol

If the Astros could show any sign of being ahead, rather than being behind the competition, maybe, just maybe the Astros will be good in the future.... Maybe

by BustaPozee on Jul 14, 2011 2:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Interesting.

I would take Knapp and Weglarz and call it a deal.

Knapp still has potential and a high upside.

I like Kepp, but I wont be broken up if we trade him.

by YohannDookeyblue on Jul 14, 2011 4:24 PM CDT reply actions  

knapp and weglarz?

that would be a good return for any player on the Astros.

by auclairkeithbc on Jul 14, 2011 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

See above article.

It would be a good return for Kepp.

Not Pence. Not Bourn.

You always undervalue our players. Are you an Astros fan?

by YohannDookeyblue on Jul 14, 2011 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes i am.

but i wasn’t buying the idea that many of you had pre-season that the astros were a .500 team at least. lying to ourselves doesn’t help things. i think the focus should be on building a WINNER…and we WILL NOT be in that position until 2014 at the earliest. we can maybe be competitive in 2013 (above .500 if things go right, but a big long shot for the playoffs unless we do some really interesting and unexpected things).

i love springer…think he is a borderline top 50 prospect.
i think altuve is a definite top 100 prospect, and was glad to see keith law put him at #50 on his recent mid-season list.
i think jd martinez has a very good chance to be a successful regular everyday outfielder.
i think ovando has great upside
i like a lot of the young pitching we have in the minors (folty, houser, etc).
i like deshields quite a bit, and i’d rank him 3rd in our system…better than most others here.
i think bourn and wandy are very nice pieces to have on a competitive playoff type team and if we had one of those teams, i’d be happy to keep them. i don’t think either will be too impressive in 2014 and beyond. and i don’t think they are the TYPE of players that teams generally trade elite or semi-elite prospects to get. that doesn’t mean they aren’t useful or even impact players that could help organizations in need.
i think kepp is a fine piece for someone to add, but we traded away a weak prospect to get him, and a lot of people didn’t like that we even gave away who we did (drew sutton! ha). keppinger was more desirable back then than he is now.
i like pence, and wouldn’t mind keeping him, but expecting a lot more than two fringy top 100 prospects (those 2 DEFINITELY qualify, and are better than Gose/Villar were when we traded Oswalt for them…and Oswalt had a much higher trade value).
if we do trade pence though, we can sign another similar player in a couple years, saving ourselves 25M or so, PLUS getting Knapp (who could be our ace by 2014 if things go right) and Weglarz who should be a starting quality OF…not that it is a desperate need for us. i’m not saying that we should say yes in an instant to that deal, but it is a good return for pence.
i like the astros very much, and want them to be a winner.
the only negative things i’ve said about them that i can think of are the following….
1) Wikoff isn’t a top 30 prospect for the Astros…no knock on him…i just like 30 or 40 players more.
2) Villar is overrated…I don’t like that type of player…I hate Dee Gordon as well and would rather have Knapp or Weglarz than Gordon by a good amount.
3) The market for guys like Bourn and Wandy probably isn’t as good as people wish it was, but it is good enough to get a nice return and save money…not good enough to get 2 mid-top 100 prospects, but good enough to get something nice and save money.
4) In the pre-season I said the Astros look like a 65 win team. I was crushed for that. Turns out I was WAY too optimistic. But even arguing that we had almost no shot at finishing at .500, I still liked the potential future of the team.

by auclairkeithbc on Jul 14, 2011 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with most everything you said here.

by conroestro on Jul 14, 2011 9:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

The Oswalt situation is a little different. Everyone new that he wanted out and he had a no trade clause. I think the Astros were a little hamstrung by that situation.

by MadMartygan on Jul 14, 2011 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe so

I’m not basing things on the Oswalt trade really. It is just rare that teams get several great prospects for a very good player. We don’t even see TOP prospects being traded for MVP type MLB players. We barely see any solidly established top 100 prospects getting moved in deals that aren’t for ELITE MVP/CY type MLB players. Pence is very good, but not elite. We can’t expect to get an Adrian Gonzalez/Roy Halladay/Cliff Lee/C.C. Sabathia/Johan Santana type return…but look at those deals in the context of the time of the trades. they weren’t stunning packages, and all those players have tremendously more trade value than pence, bourn, wandy, kepp, etc.

by auclairkeithbc on Jul 14, 2011 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

ugh. knew not new. I'm getting terrible at that.

Yeah but in each situation everyone was in a must sell situation. Each one was a 2 or 3 month rental. I think you’re slightly underselling, although I wouldn’t say by much.

by MadMartygan on Jul 14, 2011 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

And I take back rental on some of those.

by MadMartygan on Jul 14, 2011 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I actually misread your response so, yeah, disregard mine.

by MadMartygan on Jul 14, 2011 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is a solid take and I agree with you on much of it

I do think Wikoff is a top 30 prospect for the Astros because of his defense and OBP, it makes him at least a strong candidate to at least become a utility player at the ML level.

I think Villar is somewhat overrated too. His defense gives him a higher ceiling than you give him credit for, but I basically agree with you on his floor—it’s very low and if you had ten Jonathan Villars only maybe two of them would end up being ML players at all, and only one would be a everyday regular. That said, I do think there is a chance (maybe 5%) Villar could wind up as essentially a shortstop version of Michael Bourn, and that would be a 5 WAR play, nothing to scoff at.

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by OremLK on Jul 15, 2011 3:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think Kepp for Gardner and Knapp would be ok, but I’d rather see him dealt for one more highly rated prospect. Houston’s farm has all the depth it needs, they need potential stars and higher ceiling guys.

by Snake Diggity on Jul 14, 2011 4:37 PM CDT reply actions  

knapp is

his upside is higher than lyles. don’t get me wrong here…i’d MUCH rather have lyles, but knapp could be an ace if he can recover from his injuries.

by auclairkeithbc on Jul 14, 2011 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

What about Knapp and Zack McAllister?

Some other kepp ideas;

To the Phillies for Trever May and Phillippe Aumont?

To the Giants for Eric Surkamp and Jose Cassilla?

To the Tigers for Casey Crosby and Bruce Rondon?

just some thoughts, and yes its by design all the guys i mentioned are pitchers lol

by strosfan31 on Jul 14, 2011 4:59 PM CDT reply actions  

trade scenario

First of all I love these trade scenario posts and would like more. Personally I would take any one of those deals presented. I like keppinger but I don’t think we lose much and it would get downs in the lineup. Angel sanchez could be a primary backup w jb coming off the dl we could keep bogusevic up and a left handed outfielder on the roster

by wdh001 on Jul 14, 2011 5:09 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Ehh

I’m not big on any of those scenarios. Interesting article, but hopefully the Astros find a different trade partner.

by jmike on Jul 14, 2011 5:47 PM CDT reply actions  

gettting a second baseman is not nec...

we can be very flexible there with downs starting and an angel backup everywhere, and we call up a guy like manzella or sutil to be backup…

anyway, let’s get some Pomeranz!

by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 14, 2011 6:01 PM CDT reply actions  

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