Bill Hall Released and There Was Much Rejoicing
It's been four years since the Astros have had little question about the play at second base.
Astros fans were spoiled for 15 years as two possible Hall of Fame players manned the position in Craig Biggio and Jeff Kent. Since Biggio hung up the spikes the Astros have had four different players attempt to fill his shoes. First it was the young Chris Burke who had been the heir apparent to the position since being drafted with the 10th overall pick in the 2001 amateur draft. Then came free agent Kaz Matsui who was coming off a good year in Colorado. Then came Jeff Keppinger who filled in admirably at the position after Mastui faltered. Which brings us to Bill Hall who had been brought in with the Astros wanting to move Keppinger, but ultimately only kept the spot warm for Keppinger as he recovered from a foot injury.
For all the gripes about pitchers and umpires, Hall packed up his things quietly and said his good byes.
If there's one positive thing to say about the Astros is that they've had good production coming of the bench. With Jason Bourgeois coming back and only one other reserve outfielder you knew it was going to be a middle infielder replaced when it was all said and done.
If you listen to the podcast my vote was Chris Johnson, simply because he's got options left and it wouldn't be an entirely uncalled for demotion to allow him to work on some things in the minors. Hall's versatility would of allowed the Astros to play him at third base and see if maybe he's more comfortable over there while they attempt to rebuild some trade value with him. The hope would of been that the Astros couldn't of gotten something like they got when they moved Pedro Feliz last year. However Feliz has more of a track record than Hall so an opportunity to move Hall for something of value had little chance of happening.
Even if it had come down to Johnson and Hall the fact that Johnson has been lighting it up in the last few games would of tipped the scale in his favor.
The other options would of been Angel Sanchez who let's face it has come through in several situations and Matt Downs who has had his own moments, but also has a .367 wOBA which is good for fourth on the team albeit in limited playing time.
So the odd man out is Hall.
Many are celebrating this move, some even praising it, but if you read TCB during the offseason you know we weren't really all that excited about this move. This move just underlines one of negatives about Ed Wade as General Manager, he's not very good at finding free agents that can help improve this team. Pointing to second base is all you need to do to make your case.
While it is good to see the Astros are willing to account for their mistakes, I'm only responding with an unemphatic "yay."
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Well not everyone at TCB thought that in the off-season. I liked the signing at the time, and he was on my list of potential signings which made sense. The fact that it didn’t work out doesn’t mean it was a bad signing. Wade had very little money to work and was under orders to improve the offense. The only way to do that is to take risks. Hall offered the potential for buying power at a discounted price. Sometimes the risks don’t work out; that is why they are called risks. So, I won’t put a lot of blame on Wade for this signing.
by clack on Jun 4, 2011 2:38 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I liked the Hall signing as well
Reasonable roll of the dice. Hall wasn’t too old for a free agent, was coming off a solid season with Boston, and had a couple very good years in the past with Milwaukee. There was a chance his surge with the Red Sox was a sign of him recapturing the power he showed in 2006.
I’m partial to these risk/reward free agent signings, as opposed to a guy who has been consistently mediocre, as was the case with Pedro Feliz. The nature of them is that some will be busts. Wade called it a “failure of judgment”, but I don’t think he has anything to apologize for—it was a calculated risk, and it didn’t work out.
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Did you like them or where you excited about the moves. Those are two very different feelings about the signing. It was certainly a risk, but a risk that ended up ultimately failing. The fact that Wade has had little success in the free agent market, says something. If I’m correct Bill Hall was signed before they knew Keppinger was injured, now we’re seeing Keppinger bump Hall at second.
To me that says something about Wade’s decision making in the free agent market.
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by Timothy De Block on Jun 4, 2011 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
The plan was to trade Keppinger at the time Hall was signed. And that wasn’t necessarily a bad idea, since Kepp was probably at peak value; he outperformed his true talent level in 2010. Yes I was excited about the Hall signing to the extent that it showed a different way of thinking, i.e., willing to accept the 3 true outcome type hitter. As you may recall, the Astros also considered Jack Cust who had less defensive capability, but fit the 3 TO mold. I suspect that Mills was pushing for more power out of the infield, and the Red Sox staff highly recommended Hall. Given the outcome, it’s probably the last time that Ed Wade will think outside the box.
by clack on Jun 4, 2011 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
To me it didn’t really show a change in thinking. Both Hall and Matsui were coming off productive years, but had a history of inconsistency. There’s also the fact that Hall was actually the second choice to man second base for the Astros.
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by Timothy De Block on Jun 4, 2011 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I’m thinking the game might have evolved again post steroid era. This isn’t really about Bill Hall, but I don’t know if there are going to be enough guys that can hit for the same power. The athletic guys that can take extra bases become more important. I think the guys that can take a walk will always be valuable, but the days of Adam Dunn are coming to an end. Guys that can provide stellar defense, and make it home on singles are the new generation. I don’t know. Just a thought.
Hall’s career walk rate is above average. His career walk rate would have been the highest on the Astros this year.
by clack on Jun 5, 2011 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m not sure why he didn’t walk as much as normal for him with the Astros. Maybe he felt the pressure to produce more like a middle of the order hitter. Maybe he was in a bad rut.
by clack on Jun 5, 2011 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Im not a HUGE football fan...but I pay attention to it
Ed Wade reminds me a lot of the Texans Gary Kubiak. Gary is often referred to as a bad head coach but a good to great offensive coordinator. Year after year Gary does well on offense but can’t seem to put it together on defense. This year (a make it or break it year for the head coach) the owner went out and hired Wade Phillips, one of the best defensive minds in the game (formerly a head coach himself). Now the Texans have a great mind running the offense AND a great mind running the defense. They basically have split the team in two and have two head coaches.
This is kind of what I want from the Astros FO. Wade has made some really nice pick ups in the minor league department. Its hard to say what he can do on the ML level because he has had a shrinking budget since he got here and has just not had the money to get the goods. The fact that Hall wasn’t his first choice in the offseason but just didn’t have the budget for (Orlando Hudson I think) only proves this. If we could get another GM to run the majors and keep Wade and his team for the minors we could have our cake and eat it too! Not unlike the Texans eh? Unfortunately the Astros do not sell out games and don’t have similar luxuries like paying to guys to do one guys job.
by Its Gonna Happen on Jun 4, 2011 2:56 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
That last line should read “like paying TWO guys to do one job.”
by Its Gonna Happen on Jun 4, 2011 2:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
bill hall should stay
Bill hall is a on and off player he is cold right now but HE IS AMAZING WHEN HOT this is one of the most dynamic players when hes hot he can player anywher in the field!
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