Astros Minor League Recap
by Subber10 on Jun 24, 2011 9:01 AM CDT
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I don't judge good nights by wins and losses because they don't tell the whole story. In that sense, it wasn't a good night necessarily, but it actually kind of was. Tommy Manzella continues to hit well for a middle infielder and Bogey is hitting well as of late. David Carpenter had another scoreless outing and is now to the point that it's getting ridiculous. Chris Wallace debuted last night in CC, and while he didn't pick up a hit, he did draw a walk and drive in his first RBI. Jimmy Paredes hit a pinch-hit home run and Altuve had another multi-hit game. The list goes on and on, which is the purpose of these recaps.
But, what I want to kind of figure out, is where to draw the line between good outings and bad for pitchers with a skewed run/earned run stat line? For example, last night there were two pitchers that each gave up five runs, but only one of them was earned. They don't count against their ERA, but because in one situation, a home run is an unearned run. The fact is some shouldn't be accredited to his fault, some should. Would the home run have happened had he been out of the inning? Not in that inning, but who's to say the batter wouldn't have hit anyway. Sure, the situation changes, but the he still put the bat on the ball and drove it out of the park. Both pitchers put up great strikeout numbers, so overall they did pitch good games but were plagued by errors that allowed several "unearned" runs. I think some of those runs have to have some fault on the pitchers though.
Oklahoma City won 8-6
- Gustavo Chacin-6 IP, 8 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 2 BB, 4 SO, 1 HR, 8/4 GO/AO
- Ross Wolf-1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 SO
- David Carpenter-2/3 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 1 SO-Another scoreless outing!
- Brian Bogusevic RF-3-4, BB, SO, SB, PO
- Robinson Cancel C-2-5, 2B, 2 SO
- Tommy Manzella 2B-1-5, 2B
- Anderson Hernandez 3B-3-4, SB
- Gustavo Chacin P-2-2
Corpus Christi lost 7-3
- Jonnathan Aristil-2 1/3 IP, 7 H, 7 R, 7 ER, 3 BB, 4 SO, HR
- Shane Wolf-3 2/3 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 3 SO
- Blake King-1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 SO
- Arcenio Leon-1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 SO
- Jose Altuve 2B-2-3, BB
- Emerson Frostad 1B-1-4, 3B, SO
- Jimmy Paredes PH-1-1, HR
Lancaster lost 7-5
- Andrew Robinson-2 2/3 IP, 6 H, 5 R, 4 ER, 2 BB, 0 SO, 5/2 GO/AO
- David Berner-1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 SO
- Jio Mier SS-2-4, SO, CS, PO
- Kody Hinze 1B-0-2, 2 BB
- Jose Carlos Thompson 2B-1-4, 2B, SO
Lexington lost 8-2
- Ruben Alaniz-5 IP, 5 H, 5 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 6 SO, HR, 6/1 GO/AO-Aside from the unearned runs from errors, he's done quite well in the rotation.
- Chia-Jen Lo-1 IP, 1 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 2 SO-He's back
- Adam Bailey RF-1-4, HR, 2 SO
Tri-City won 3-2
- Juri Perez-5 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 9 SO, 6/1 GO/AO-Great performance!
- Travis Blankenship-1 2/3 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 2 SO
- Ryan Cole-1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 SO
- Justin Gominsky CF-2-4, 2B
- Zach Johnson 1B-1-4, 2B, SO
- Brandon Meredith LF-1-2, BB, 2 SB-Who said he was slow?
Greeneville lost 5-0
- Luis Ordosgoitti-5 2/3 IP, 5 H, 5 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 7 SO, 5/3 GO/AO-More unearned runs...
- James Propst-2 1/3 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 SO
- Ronald Sanchez 1B-1-3, 2B, SO
GCL Astros: Off
DSL Astros won 9-5
- Luis Abad-3 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 5 BB, 3 SO, 5/0 GO/AO
- Samil De Los Santos-1 2/3 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 4 SO
- Cristian Murillo CF-2-4, 2B, BB, 2 SO
- Juan Santana SS-3-4, 2 2B
- Teoscar Hernandez RF-2-5, SO, SB
- Yoel Silfa 2B-2-3
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I think everyone wants answers
Firesale! Everyone must go!
by astrosfan1989 on Jun 24, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
We had a catcher playing 1st Base for Corpus
This Hinze situation is getting weirder by the day.
Im just wondering if they are waiting to promote Ketchup after TXL AS game. If they dont
we need Timmy and Subber to get on the horn and in Wade’s ear.
I think thats exactly what it is but yea guess we will see
Firesale! Everyone must go!
by astrosfan1989 on Jun 24, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
So for a short time at least...
Corpus could have this lineup.
Catcher – Chris Wallace, 23
1st – Kody Hinze, 23
2nd – Jose Altuve, 21
SS – Jonathan Villar, 20
3rd – Jimmy Paredes, 22
LF – JD Martinez, 23
CF – TJ Steele, 24
RF – Jake Goebbert, 23
Let’s get some arms promoted up and win that 2nd Half Crown
That makes it look a lot better. I’m ready for Steele to be released.
How’s this? JD to OkC and goebbert in left, Wates in right and jay Austin in center? What do you think Timmy? I joke, Austin isn’t ready IMO.
I’m not sure what arms are ready besides Buchanan who may not be. Cisnero seems to be struggling right now and could still use work with command.
by Subber10 on Jun 24, 2011 9:55 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
who knows with Cisnero maybe if we push him he could respond to it. He has the ability to strike guys out
I havnt digged into it and maybe Subber or Timmy know the answer but is his era a reflection of bad pitching or simply the park he plays in?
Also i see Wates getting moved up as soon as JD does
Firesale! Everyone must go!
by astrosfan1989 on Jun 24, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Combination
You have to do the same things to be successful in the Cal league, but mistakes are exaccerbated. You issue a walk, that baserunner can score more easily, and you can’t let that affect you. You have to keep pitching. The big thing about the Cal League, and what I’ve learned to like about it, is that pitchers have to grow up. The parks challege their ability to handle adversity, because they’ll have to do that in the big leagues. If they can’t handle it, they aren’t a prospect. That’s why I’m in no hurry to see Cisnero and Buchanan to be promoted because they are having struggles which is normal. I don’t want them taken out so its easier for them. It’s a growing experience and if they succeed, look out cause we have a real pitcher on our hands.
cisnero has definitely outpitched his ERA (which is not hard considering it stands at 6.75)
his LOB (left on base)% is only 54.5%, and i’m not sure exactly how that compares in the cal league, but it is definitely low. he has also been negatively affected by a .336 BABIP. so even though his ERA is 6.75, his FIP is only 3.63. his biggest problem is walks (5.98 BB/9!) and i guess i don’t see a rush to promote him. hopefully he can figure it out with some more time.
Just sign Springer and put him in AA
to start.
Why not.
by Neil Leininger on Jun 24, 2011 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Because he could easily get demolished there
Better to play it safe and start him in Tri-City.
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Hopefully, Hinze’s much better walk rate and better K rate will translate to a better transition to AA.
by MadMartygan on Jun 24, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes
It’s also worth noting that Hinze has been much better on the road than at home, which is a good sign for any Lancaster hitter.
I think it’s possible he has legitimately come into his power. He won’t keep hitting .350 or getting on base at a near .500 clip, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see him post something like a .290/.440/.560 line when they finally let him move up to AA ball. Which, by the way, is still pretty freaking ridiculous.
I’m starting to become a Hinze believer. He very much needs to be in Corpus Christi yesterday, though. As a 23-year old first base-only guy he has a lot to prove with his bat at the upper levels, and not much time to do it.
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Yeah I don’t think anyone would complain about that slash line. What do you think we end up doing with a player like this, if he keeps hitting? Does Wallace get traded, yet again? Do we trade Hinze for a lower level prospect at a more premium position? I sorta don’t know what gets done with blocked prospects on bad teams.
by MadMartygan on Jun 24, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha. I seriously just had a white hot rage fill my body. Damn you, Irish Pete!
by MadMartygan on Jun 24, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Wallace might slide over to 3rd if CJ never figures it out. Defense is probably equal to that of CJ. CJ is interesting though. Goes on a tear last year, and just slumping this year. He does hit a lot of line drives and still does this year, although a lot of them have been robbed by fielders. So, I wouldn’t pull the plug on CJ yet unless we have a real reason to.
Fire Brad Mills
I don't think he has a problem defense at 1st.
Maybe I have missed some plays, but I haven’t seen any problems with Wallace at first. Maybe that one game where he tried to throw home & totally missed it (I was at that game). But I don’t see any glaring issues. Perhaps you could fill me in. Is his range worse than other first basemen?
Fire Brad Mills
In answer to your original question about RA and ER, I think it’s tricky. Without drilling down more deeply into the games, I don’t think you can resolve how much weight to put on RA vs. ER. If a pitcher has a big discrepancy between RA and ER, you have to treat it as a red flag. You want to see pitchers showing the ability to pitch around errors. So, I wouldn’t ignore RA. On the other hand, you have to treat RA with some caution at the minor league level because there can be significant variation in the quality of minor league fields and defensive players. Sometimes players are out of position on defense in the minors, either as a “try out” at a new position or just to get the player some plate appearances.
by clack on Jun 24, 2011 10:56 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Noticing the hitting line for Chacin reminds me that he was fairly good hitting pitcher when he was on the major league club.
by clack on Jun 24, 2011 12:15 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
BA finally giving Altuve some love
Altuve was viewed almost as a curiosity coming into the season at a listed 5-foot-7, but he has shown strong offensive production this season to go along with his standout defense, so he’s legit.
http://www.crawfishboxes.com
It’s good to hear them compliment him for “standout defense”. If he is truly above average at second base defensively, that increases his ceiling a lot. I feel confident he will hit for a high average and at least gap power. That plus good defense at second base would make an above average regular, by itself.
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Hopefully Altuve is at least a competent defender….I saw him a few times in Lancaster and thought he was average, but since Lancaster infielders spend far more time handling throws from the outfield than taking grounders, I may not have a good enough sample size to judge…..Hope those who are now watching him in CC can keep us up to date
On a slightly random note
Since we’ve been using the Pedroia comp a lot for Altuve, I’ve been following his disappointing season… holy crap did he rebound in a big way. Last time I looked at the beginning of June he was barely above replacement level, now he’s produced 3.5 WAR. Ha.
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Futures Game.
In the 12 years of the futures game, 79 players ended up playing in the MLB all star game. 7 players were in the mlb all star game the following year.
I remember a few years ago when Van Ostrand was in the futures game and hit a HR off Kershaw. Unfortunately, he didn’t end up in the futures game.
by clack on Jun 24, 2011 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
What's the story on Van Ostrand.
In his age 24 season of 2009 he had a nice little year. .283/.364/.469 with 16 homers and good K/BB rates. Why wasn’t he sent to AAA the next year? He completely bombed in ‘10 and now he’s super old having a decent year, again. Does he just have no tools? Who could have been blocking him at the beginning of ’10. This is weird to me.
I remember that HR but didn't realize it came off Kershaw.
At the time, I thought Van Ostrand had a very bright future. I looked up our futures game participants since 2005 and the list is pretty bad.
2005: Troy Patton and Fernando Nieve
2006: Hunter Pence and Jason Hirsch
2007: Jimmy Van Ostrand and JR Towles
2008: Polin Trinidad
2009: Jason Castro and Chia-Jen Lo
2010: Jordan Lyles
This should come as no surprise, but those Purpura years were brutal on our system.
Well, 8 are or were big league players with 1 becoming an All star. That’s actually what the percentages That’s sort of right in line with the average.
Actually, 7 of the 10 have played in the majors, but that's splitting hairs.
Compared to expectations, all of the players that made the majors on that list not named Pence or Lyles have been bad players in the majors. I guess it all depends on how you define success. If the ultimate goal is to have players reach the majors, then our Futures Game participants have been a success. If the goal is to produce productive major league players, then they have been a categorical failure.
Good catch. I have no idea why I thought Trinidad came up. Nah I hear ya man. I will say that our latest participants our looking brighter.
by MadMartygan on Jun 24, 2011 7:22 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
At the time, J.R. Towles and Fernando Nieve looked like they had bright futures. And Nieve was on course to be a good starting pitcher until he went down with an elbow injury in his rookie year. Towles just hasn’t worked out.
If you want to see the reality of “There is no such thing as a pitching prospect,” note that out of six pitchers on the list, four had to undergo arm surgery subsequent to the futures game appearance.
by clack on Jun 24, 2011 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
"there is no such thing as a pitching prospect"
That’s why i’ve been ok with the astros drafting C, ss, 2b, cf, in the last four drafts.
by MadMartygan on Jun 24, 2011 10:35 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
should be “didn’t end up in the All Star game.”
by clack on Jun 24, 2011 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tanner Bushue
Hello All. I don’t hear or see much chatter about TB. What’s his story? He seems to be having a pretty good hear.
Not too optimistic about him
Last I heard he was still sitting in the high 80s. His strikeout rate has fallen off this year and he’s repeating single A. Still plenty of time for him to grow into his projection and turn things around, but that’s down the road—right now he’s looking like about what he was when he was drafted, a long-term project.
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Thanks
One last question. What’s the status on signing some of our other draft picks. Most notably Jack Armstrong and Hoke G (I know he’s a long shot to sign though). And are any of you high on Jack? Thanks again!
by jbell on Jun 24, 2011 3:33 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I heard
He was going to the Cape Cod league. Anybody know when that league starts.
by conroestro on Jun 24, 2011 3:55 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah he said was to prove that his injuries have healed and hes ready to go. Most
likely for the $ factor there.
Juan Santana looks like a future top 100 prospect.
He’s 16, plays SS, has good size and line drive power, and is tearing up the DSL. I’m excited to see him develop over the coming years.
Adrian Houser
I really hope he gets off to a fast start in the GCL so he can move to Greeneville at some point this year. I assumed that him being the second round pick would start in Greeneville. I was surprised that the Astros sent him to the GCL.
by conroestro on Jun 24, 2011 3:52 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
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