Jordan Lyles Stays in Astros Rotation
News came down after Sunday's game that Jordan Lyles is sticking with the big league club for now as a starter. To make room for the returning Wandy Rodriguez, the Astros optioned struggling reliever Jeff Fulchino to Triple-A Oklahoma City.
In order to make room for Wandy in the rotation, Houston also bumped Rule 5 pick Aneury Rodriguez back to the bullpen after he made nine starts. Aneury had replaced Nelson Figueroa in the rotation back in May, but his ineffective control doomed many of his starts.
I'm pretty sure this is a good thing for both the Astros and for Lyles. While I don't love the idea of Lyles pitching the rest of the season in the rotation, he has shown flashes of being good and holding his own at the big league level. That's enough to keep him around and let him learn on the job with the major league team.
As we've talked about in the past, Lyles probably won't get to Super Two status even if he stays with the major league team for the rest of the season. It's interesting that Fulchino was the victim of the roster crunch, though he certainly hasn't been good this season. In fact, it wouldn't shock me if any of the bullpen arms got sent down, with the possible exception of Mark The Shark.
I think this also is a vote of confidence for Aneury Rodriguez. The Astros really seem committed to keeping him around all season. He's not been good, but there have been times where you can see he's got talent to be a contributor one day. This Astros team isn't winning a pennant, so why not keep him around and see what happens?
What do you think? Are you happy with Lyles staying in the rotation? Did the Astros choose the right reliever to demote?
55 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
I’d rather have seen lyles go down, but as far as keeping lyles up this is probably the way I would do it. Well…I’d have released Lyon but that’s not really an option as wade is already having to explain himself enough with the bill hall situation.
by Subber10 on Jun 12, 2011 6:12 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I’d like to see him take a full year in AAA and refine his stuff then call him up after super two status next year. In a lost season though where people are grasping for some type of hope I think he provides that especially since Castro is out with an injury this year.
Follow my ramblings on Twitter .
by Timothy De Block on Jun 12, 2011 6:13 PM CDT reply actions
Fulchino
I saw it in spring training, and now he’s demoted. He wasn’t terrible, but he did give up runs in close games which we ultimately lost. Anyway, sucks to be him.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Del Rosario gets sent down soon too. He’s been shaky most of the year with the exception of a recent stint of good bullpen outings.
Lyles was awesome in his first start, but somewhat shaky his past 2 starts. I would prefer him over An-Rod since he has better control of his stuff, but he still needs to refine his breaking pitches. He doesn’t really have a strikeout pitch at the moment since hitters have been fouling them off instead of striking out. But he has pretty good control & with a little work with Arnsberg, he should get better. I don’t see him being ace material, but he will be a strong arm in the rotation for years to come.
A rose with no fragrance is like a baseball player with no average. *cough* Joe Inglett...
Lyles never has been a strikout pitcher per say. He'll get his K's every now and then
but when he gets better command of his pitches I think we might see some increase in his strikout numbers. Personally, I wanted him to go down but if you’re gonna keep him in Houston the good news is he gets to work with Arnesberg on a daily basis.
I think Lyles deserves it.
He has pitched beyond his years, and he will get better by facing Major league line ups. Im glad they rewarded him, because he definitely earned it.
by YohannDookeyblue on Jun 12, 2011 6:30 PM CDT reply actions
I have a gnawing feeling that the prudent thing to do is send Lyles back to AAA in order to work on refining his breaking pitches to the point that he is a dominating pitcher. But, I have come around to keeping him at the major league level. A couple of concerns I have about keeping him in the rotation: (1) The pressures to push his pitch count (which we started to see in his last start); I think Mills will try to hold his pitch count below 100 or so, but the bullpen is so shaky that it creates pressure on the manager to get a few more pitches out of Lyles; and (2) Creating high expectations which are unrealistic. On the latter point: Lyles will have some bad games, maybe some really bad games, this season. Given the nature of his repertoire and his age, it will happen. I think Lyles, himself, can handle it. But I get concerned about how the fan base responds if he isn’t a great, or even good, pitcher this season.
Three current Astros relievers have had 6 meltdowns this year: Lopez, Fulchino, and Lyon. Lopez has the offsetting factor of 9 shut down innings. Lyon has too much time left on his contract not to give him a chance to recover from injury. That leaves Fulchino as a reliever who got lit up often, but didn’t shut down the other team enough. I am guessing that there is a fair chance that Lyon will go back to the DL at some point. So Fulchino may have a chance to return if he performs well in AAA.
by clack on Jun 12, 2011 6:46 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
What is it with you people
Do you all have Ed Wade/Tal Smith ittis? Lyles has pitched better than Rodriquez and deserves to stay up. He has the make up to handle the major leagues (imo). Forget the super 2 status and all that….The Astros need to get on to the future and Lyles represents that. ’
Oh and I am sure the Astros brass saw the attendance of 32K today and knew that Lyles brought in 7-10K of those folks. The fans are desperate for some hope for the future!!! Learning on the job can be a good thing…..
"now you chunkin' in there.."
What is it with you people who are willing to rush a 20 yr old kid who doesn't have command
of his pitches? Leaving up here to get lit up on pathetic ass team like we have this year could destroy his psyche. Its happened to pitchers older and more polished than Lyles. And like Lyles everyone thought that they had the makeup to endure it. Im hoping this kid does have a psyche of steel but only time will tell. Besides one young pitcher does not constitute the future for a franchise.
I can see some of your points, but I would say Lyles definitely has command of his pitches.
Plus, Arnsberg will be able to work with him more. That duel between him and Chipper Jones was very telling of what kind of pitcher Lyles will be – very good. I say this year even. He is very advanced for his age, and only will get better.
by YohannDookeyblue on Jun 12, 2011 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions
You need to watch more than just these two starts. His curveball is still too loopy at
times and he struggles with placement and control of his four seamer. Ive watched several of his OKC starts along with these two televised starts and you can see it every game. I like his potential but he is still only 20. He has time to learn in the minors without getting shellacked (sp?) by ML hitters. Im in the group that believes the Astros waited too long to bring up certain players in years past but bringing up a 20 yr. old pitcher who isnt a power pitcher who can possibly get by with his heater at times is a very risky move on part of the FO.
It definitely is a risky move.
But I dont think they would make it if they weren’t confident Lyles couldn’t handle it. I hope they wouldn’t.. One thing that gives me a lot of confidence in this is that Arnsberg has worked with the kid now for 3 starts and Im sure he had a say in whether he should stay up or not, Arnsberg is going to have more time with him now, and I think that’s a very good thing.
….I guess we will all see. Its great to finally have a kid with so much potential in the bigs though – other than when Pence came up.
by YohannDookeyblue on Jun 12, 2011 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll say this
For the last, well forever really, they have kept guys down WAY TOO LONG. Not saying there were a bunch of guys tearing up AAA, but at some point you have to see what your best prospect have in terms of major league value.
So I’m glad to at least see a young guy get called up for more than a cup of coffee under the age of 28
I see myself as an entertainer and an Icon. Oh and C finnegan can go fuck himself
by AllenOU on Jun 12, 2011 6:53 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
But 20 might be just a tad early. He's only been in pro ball what a year and a half now. There
really is no need to rush him. When we say that we don’t mean let him linger in OKC for another 3 years. We just mean that 20 years old he needs more polish so he could do with another season in the minors.
I don’t see how anyone could even come close to saying that Lyles had been kept down in the minors too long.
http://www.crawfishboxes.com
After a year and a half in the minors and people are using the excuse we keep players
down too long. He’s what two years removed from high school?! Good grief. This franchise can afford to take its time with this prospect.
We do tend to keep players down longer
I know lyles is young, I was just saying it’s nice to see them let guy that young stay up
I see myself as an entertainer and an Icon. Oh and C finnegan can go fuck himself
by AllenOU on Jun 12, 2011 8:47 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Well you got your wish
Fulchino is off the team & he is older than 30.
A rose with no fragrance is like a baseball player with no average. *cough* Joe Inglett...
I'm ambivalent
I think he could definitely benefit from a bit more time in the minors to work on things. At the same time, I think he does have the ability to pitch in the majors right now without getting demolished.
I just hope fans don’t get their expectations too high. Chances are he will be a bit mediocre at first, and he still doesn’t profile as a future ace at any point in the future. I am worried fans will have an unrealistic vision of his potential and will vent disappointment and anger when he turns out to just be a good solid no. 2/no. 3 inningseater.
http://www.crawfishboxes.com
That is exactly the concern I had. If fans expect a savior, and he turns out to put up a ERA in the 5’s this year, then he becomes a scapegoat of sorts among fans.
by clack on Jun 12, 2011 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
First year and a half - Greg Maddux
ERA in the mid-5’s over 32 starts.
Even the greats can take a while to figure things out, so I agree that fans need to be very patient with Lyles.
by pacbellpilgrim on Jun 12, 2011 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions
He came up on a Cubs team that was playing about like what the Astros are currently.
Yes they had Dawson and Sandberg but that was it and is kind of like us having Bourn and Pence right now. Maddux was lucky and wound up in ATL where he REALLY blossomed under the tutelage of the Braves’ Leo Mazzone and their potent lineup supporting him both offensively and defensively.
I think we here in this board will take a solid #3, definitely a solid #2.
But, you’re right the casual fan expects legendary RoyO like performances from this kid, and thats probably not gonna happen.
by YohannDookeyblue on Jun 12, 2011 7:23 PM CDT reply actions
Already # 3
He’s already the 3rd most talented pitcher on the staff behind Wandy and Bud IMO.
Know this off-topic but...
Absolutely PHENOMENAL catch right now by George Springer. Could be catch of the year College and Majors. Announcers said “Houston Astros this is what you’ve got coming!”
Wow.
by YohannDookeyblue on Jun 12, 2011 8:15 PM CDT reply actions
Cant get that game down here in CC. We have the Horns on one channel and someone else
on ESPNU. Would like to see him play some more other than just yesterday.
Hey guys, I’m new to SBNation….I like the move, leaving Jordan lyles in the Majors, so he can have experience and get time with Arnsberg, but it might have not been the correct choice. I hope he does exceptionally well and I see him as a #2 pitcher in the future.
Off topic: Two amazing catches by George Springer! One running with a great off balance throw, right to third and then an over the head catch to save them! This might sound bad but I hope that they lose so we can sign him sooner and have him speed through the minors!
Thanks! I’ve been depending on the latest news from my Houston Astros on TCB, and now I’m proud to be a part of it and contribute
by Woodlands'stro on Jun 12, 2011 8:26 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Ok, I’ll take note of that. Thanks
by Woodlands'stro on Jun 12, 2011 8:30 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Welcome!
Can’t say I’m even close to the most active contributor, but I think I speak for everyone if I say that we look forward to hearing what you have to say.
by Patrick Harrel on Jun 12, 2011 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Ditto what these guys said.
Welcome. Join in our misery. Lol. Just kidding… well, not really.
by YohannDookeyblue on Jun 12, 2011 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I understand haha, I’m guessing what some people have said is true and that mills is determined to get the #1 pick…if true that doesn’t sound like a great coach
by Woodlands'stro on Jun 12, 2011 8:34 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I only joke about that. Mills is like the rest of us and wants to win. Unfortunately for
him and us the fans, there is very little talent on this team and he has to make due with what he has. Some folks just have to have a scapegoat when things are going bad so Mills becomes that by default.
Not really Mills fault.
He mostly has a AAAA lineup. Myers was overvalued and overachieved last year. We have some hope, but it’ll be a few years. BUt, I’ll take a couple of top picks for that though.
by YohannDookeyblue on Jun 12, 2011 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah that I understand. Our team isn’t that great. It has a few bright spots…but not many. Our team of the future is pretty much at A, it’ll take a while for us to be great but it’s worth the wait! This team is exciting to watch regardless if we win or lose
by Woodlands'stro on Jun 12, 2011 8:46 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Springer just beat out a double play.
But Swung for the fences on 1st pitch. Hes also hurt, so that could affect his batting.
by YohannDookeyblue on Jun 12, 2011 8:20 PM CDT reply actions
Well... Looks like UConn is about to lose.
So Springer will sign hopefully soon.
by YohannDookeyblue on Jun 12, 2011 8:34 PM CDT reply actions
Dang, that’s not good haha. Seems like I’m joining a college with a great baseball team in a few years haha
by Woodlands'stro on Jun 12, 2011 8:51 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Dang!
Tell me we drafted a bunch of guys out of FSU!
by Its Gonna Happen on Jun 12, 2011 9:34 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Sadly no. Anyways, all the players that got drafted came in the later rounds(15 and on) other than gilmartin, the 28th pick by the braves
by Woodlands'stro on Jun 12, 2011 9:51 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
the happening
lets all step back and look at it long term….jordan, jason, brett, and chris are a new wave of youth on this team….it must happen for growth…just like a farmer having to plow a field and all the old/bad stuff on it ie your lyon, lee and oswalts’ of the world
happened in Cinny with bruce and votto taking jr and dunns spots and accross the leauge excluding the bommerz and sox
it will happen and its good to grow…hurtz….but good

by 
























