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Jeff Luhnow Is The Astros New General Manager

Take a bow, clack.

The guy you brought up as a possibility got the job as the newest Astros GM Wednesday night. On Thursday, Houston will hold a press conference to announce former St. Louis Cardinals vice president for player procurement will be named as the general manager of the Houston Astros.

You'll have to excuse me if I can't form full sentences here. I'm a little taken aback.

Luhnow. Advanced metrics. Outsider. Ummmm....

What? Is this the same Astros organization I've been pulling for all these years? The one that drove me crazy for not respecting things like OBP and leverage situations? What is going on here?

Luhnow has everything you could want in a GM. He's got the background at building a farm system, a proven track record at drafting and developing major league contributors, plus he cares about developing his own player metrics in those evaluations.

Basically, he's exactly the kind of guy that Andrew Friedman or Theo Epstein would be, without success in the top job.

Remember, though, when the Cardinals and Walt Jocketty parted ways, it was in large part because they wanted to keep Luhnow around. Cards GM John Mozeliak and Luhnow had to work well together, a situation that led to a World Series title this past season.

Luhnow probably wasn't as flashy a choice as Friedman would have been, but he's got a better track record than J.J. Picollo and narrowly beats out Bill Geivett on the big league success thing. Do you know who he reminds me of? Daryl Morey, down to both of them being on Twitter. I think Postolos has found the Astros a numbers-centric guy to revamp the farm system and create a winner.

Now let's go get some players.

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From what I know about the candidates, Luhnow seemed like the best choice to me. I have been following his career with the Cardinals from afar since 2005. He is a pioneer in bringing quantitative analysis into the Cardinals front office. MGL and Ron Shandler, well known names in the sabermetrics community, have been Cardinals consultants. He has a strong business management background (former consultant with McKinsey & Co., the largest management consulting firm) which should provide the skills for building an organization.

As I thought about this over the last few days, I came to the conclusion that he has done a better job than Wade in rebuilding a farm system which was regarded as low or even lower than the Astros’ system. And the Cards generally had low draft picks throughout the period of rebuilding. Given how bad the Cards’ system was regarded in the 2006 time frame, it’s surprising that the system is now in the top tier of farm systems. Sickels’ most recent article on Cardinals’ prospects starts with “You have to love this system.”

by clack on Dec 8, 2011 6:27 AM CST reply actions  

Personally, I am much lower than John on the Cardinals’ farm system and although it has improved (and Miller is a helluva number one), I still think it’s middle of the pack at best.

That said, I like what little I’ve heard about Luhnow and will hope he is as good a choice as you think, clack.

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by OremLK on Dec 8, 2011 7:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Given where we are...

I’ll take middle of the pack

-- "...I was sick, napping, and then woke up and came to the computer to read a note from the Gingered Angel of Doom..." Martek - Dynamo Theory Blog

by Fuzion on Dec 8, 2011 7:37 AM CST up reply actions  

I disagree about how much he improved the Cards overall farm

Most of the “success” was through $$. That is not a bad thing, but lets not try to craft the image of surprising success through epic drafting of diamonds in the rough..

Love the move considering the options available, but he is not the “best choice”. He is the best choice willing to sign with the Astros at this point in time.

I think he will be a MAJOR shift in how the team thinks, which is a good thing. More curious on how this is going to trickle through the scouting staff and what budget Crane provides strictly for scouts. That is what makes Tor, TB and Texas so damn good…

JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook

LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"

by laxtonto on Dec 8, 2011 8:13 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree that Cardinals ownership’s willingness to spend was helpful in their drafting. For example, Cox fell to them because of concerns over bonus size, and the Cards were willing to take him with their low first round pick.

by clack on Dec 8, 2011 8:18 AM CST up reply actions  

It is not just spending on the draft

But on International signee’s. Carlos Martinez and Oscar Taveras are prime examples

by FlimtotheFlam on Dec 8, 2011 8:49 AM CST up reply actions  

and yet people overlook the fact that the Cards have had a decent presecence in LA

for a long time.. That is not something to lay at his feet as something he has “caused”. Hopefully he tries to implement that type of direction but the new CBA has pretty much hammered that market as something that can be easily exploited.

JD’s like, "you want some f*&#ing pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, b*#&hes!"- RCCook

LSB: "Oh s#*t, JD. You crazy!"

by laxtonto on Dec 8, 2011 10:41 AM CST up reply actions  

But with better resources

by CRPerry13 on Dec 8, 2011 8:13 AM CST up reply actions  

I will say this

It’s a great PR move. Crane can market it as hiring “one of the key masterminds behind the 2011 World Series champion Cardinals”.

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by OremLK on Dec 8, 2011 7:21 AM CST reply actions  

We hired the guy who drafted Brett Wallace

I need to do some reading before I offer my opinion on the hiring.

by CRPerry13 on Dec 8, 2011 7:56 AM CST reply actions  

I like him already.

by CRPerry13 on Dec 8, 2011 8:11 AM CST up reply actions  

I like the hiring

Curious though, if your Brett Wallace is this a good thing or a bad thing.

by conroestro on Dec 8, 2011 8:14 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Viva El Birdos...

The visitor from VEB in an earlier thread provided a link to Viva El Birdos discussion of losing Luhnow. The fans seemed upset to lose Luhnow. I think it is somewhere at this link.

by clack on Dec 8, 2011 8:14 AM CST reply actions  

Cardinals fans on MLBTR's forums seemed upset, too.

Some were saying stuff like “there goes our farm system”, and demanding compensation. Bodes well for us, hopefully.

The bird is struggling out of the egg. The egg is the world. Whoever wants to be born, must first destroy a world.

by Stupendous Man on Dec 8, 2011 8:20 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Demanding compensation?

That’s delusional, to put it nicely :)

by mike_o on Dec 8, 2011 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

They have a lot to be upset about.

They lost Pujols to the Angels this morning.

"The best thing about being a cynic......is that you are never surprised." ~Anonymous
"Don't get yourself a bunch of tricky plays.......get yourself a bunch of tricky players." `Paul "Bear" Bryant

by Christopher H on Dec 8, 2011 9:40 AM CST up reply actions  

It's worth noting that due to our relocation we now continually face Albert through the end of his career.

There will be no escape.

"The best thing about being a cynic......is that you are never surprised." ~Anonymous
"Don't get yourself a bunch of tricky plays.......get yourself a bunch of tricky players." `Paul "Bear" Bryant

by Christopher H on Dec 8, 2011 9:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Hopefully he ends up tooting out in 2 or 3 years and ends up sucking up the Angels' payroll

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.

by BustaPozee on Dec 8, 2011 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

A man can dream.

"The best thing about being a cynic......is that you are never surprised." ~Anonymous
"Don't get yourself a bunch of tricky plays.......get yourself a bunch of tricky players." `Paul "Bear" Bryant

by Christopher H on Dec 8, 2011 9:45 PM CST up reply actions  

This article is a great interview with him from 2009.

by CRPerry13 on Dec 8, 2011 8:16 AM CST reply actions  

Solid hire.

Comes from a winning organization, and has a good track record of developing talent. I’m happy with this.

The bird is struggling out of the egg. The egg is the world. Whoever wants to be born, must first destroy a world.

by Stupendous Man on Dec 8, 2011 8:16 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Questions

Hopefully he didn’t have any involvement on the Pedro Feliz trade.

by MrRBI on Dec 8, 2011 8:35 AM CST reply actions  

Ha. If I were him, I would give Mozeliak credit for that. I really don’t know about his involvement there (I’m not sure he was still VP of player procurement at that time). But what I’ve read indicates that Mozeliak entered into the trade due to desperation (injuries at 3d base) and pressure from LaRussa to trade for Feliz as a proven veteran.

by clack on Dec 8, 2011 8:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Whew

That makes me feel better. Thanks

by MrRBI on Dec 8, 2011 8:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Campbell refers to a Callis tweet that Luhnow’s first three drafts produced more major leaguers (25) than any other team’s drafts. That kind of comparison can be misleading, but it’s worth noting if you want to feed your optimistic side.

by clack on Dec 8, 2011 8:43 AM CST reply actions  

It does make it somewhat more impressive

That the Cardinals have consistently been a contender during that time; so one, they’re calling guys up because they think they can play, not as part of any kind of rebuilding effort (as is happening with the Astros), and two, these young MLBers have contributed to winning seasons.

Neither of which is conclusive, but it helps support that he’s done a good job.

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by OremLK on Dec 8, 2011 9:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Excited and Relieved

In full disclosure, I don’t know enough about Jeff Luhnow to evaluate him.

But reading the posts here, I’m excited

Recalling yesterday’s thread on Ed Wade, I’m relieved Astros have a GM that just by signing adds support to a crumbling foundation.

I’m excited and relieved Astros have a GM that ’ll look forward instead of what he liked in the past.

Astros fan for life

by Joe in Birmingham on Dec 8, 2011 10:34 AM CST reply actions  

A bit underwhelming

but he does fit the criteria of what the Astros need: young, energetic, modern thinker.

There are those who are bashing this hire for one reason: He’s not Andrew Friedman.

Fact is, we never really had a chance. Credit to Crane/Postolous for doing their due diligence and taking their shot.

The first thing I’ll be interested to see is how Jeff revamps the scouting staff. They all need to go, Bobby Heck included.

Kubiak believes in you

by JayRedd on Dec 8, 2011 10:56 AM CST reply actions  

I agree on Heck.

Heck needs to move on. I wonder how long it will be before Luhnow bring one of his guys in to take his place?

The bird is struggling out of the egg. The egg is the world. Whoever wants to be born, must first destroy a world.

by Stupendous Man on Dec 8, 2011 11:01 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I like the Hire

He knows how a successful organization operates.

by The Deadman on Dec 8, 2011 11:17 AM CST reply actions  

Clack, I've never told you this but...

I think you are a genius, if not, you’re very close.

Btw, I love this hire. I think Luhnow brings great enthusiam and effort.

Also, I LOVE what I’ve seen so far from Crane and Postolos, Crane really does mean business, he’s talked and he’s walked so far. He knows what he’s doing and realizes that being an owner consumes his life, he definetly seems prepared.

I LOVE THE ASTROS. Now lets win something!

by ccislanders on Dec 9, 2011 12:19 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

….well, thanks

by clack on Dec 9, 2011 7:07 AM CST up reply actions  

....wait, or is it a crystal ball?

I LOVE THE ASTROS. Now lets win something!

by ccislanders on Dec 9, 2011 8:29 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

If Luhnow wanted to pull a fanblog poster in to be an asst. GM, clack would be my nominee.

by Snake Diggity on Dec 9, 2011 9:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

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by Stephen Higdon on Dec 9, 2011 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

I definetely agree...

Clack, I suggest you try and get some kind of interview, you have to much knowledge not to be working in the upper tier of bball.

I LOVE THE ASTROS. Now lets win something!

by ccislanders on Dec 9, 2011 11:39 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah, but only for the Astros. Not the Arlington team.

by jmike on Dec 11, 2011 10:39 AM CST up reply actions  

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