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Astros Potential Rule 5 Selections

Jose Bautista was once selected in the Rule 5 draft.

Contributions from Chris, Jesse and Clarence

Not only are the Winter Meetings a time for interviewing potential general manager candidates, signing free agents and making trades, but there's also a draft. Instead of drafting players out of high school and college, teams get the opportunity to draft from each others farm system. This keeps teams from stock piling talent in their farm system and helps competitive balance.

So who's draft eligible. Anyone not on a teams 40-man roster who was signed at 18 or younger and has at least five years in the minor league system or was signed at age 19 or older and has at least four years in the minor league system. The order is determined by record and is the same order that will be conducted in the Rule 4 draft this summer. The Astros will pick first.

*If the player was signed as a minor league free agent and taken in the rule 5 draft it appears they can elect for free agency. But why would you if you're selected in the rule 5 it's a shot at the big leagues.

There are some rules and restrictions that come with the selection. First is that each selection comes with a $50,000 price tag. Second for the team to keep that player he must remain on the Major League roster the entire season. If the team decides not to keep a player he can offer them back to their original club for a $25,000 reimbursement. As was the case with Lance Pendleton last year.

Some teams will let the drafting team keep that player and pocket the $50,000 or the teams can work out a trade, as was the case with Willy Taveras. In 2003 Taveras was selected by the Astros out of the Cleveland Indians system. At the end of Spring Training the Astros and Indians worked out a deal in which the Indians got Jeroime Robertson for Luke Scott and the rights to Willy Taveras (Why isn't Hunsicker interviewing again?).

There have been some high profile names that have come out of the draft: Johan Santana, Shane Victorino, Josh Hamilton and Roberto Clemente are some of the more notable names. There are also some less notable names two of which have been pitching in the Astros system after being selected. Wesley Wright was taken in the 2007 rule 5 draft and Anuery Rodriguez was selected last year.

Astros Available

Paul Clemens, received in the Michael Bourn trade, was the only pitcher with rule 5 eligibility to be placed on the Astros 40 man roster. The other eligible players are: Pitchers Danny Meszaros, Xavier Cedeno, Sergio Perez, Dayan Diaz and Kyle Greenwalt, outfielder Brandon Barnes, Jon Gaston, Collin DeLome and T.J. Steele and infielder Kody Hinze.

Of those names no one is a sure bet to be taken. The players I could see going are Cedeno, Diaz, Barnes and Hinze. Cedeno could start or be that lefty out of the bullpen. Diaz only made it to low A ball but has some outstanding numbers in relief. Barnes could make for a decent backup outfielder. Hinze is a first baseman with a .781 OPS in AA. My guess would be that at most Cedeno will be tried out for a bullpen spot but he's not the only lefty available in the draft.

The rule 5 draft takes place this Thursday. Hit the jump to find out about some of the players available.

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The Astros Select

The Astros 40 man roster sits at 38 so the Astros have two available slots for the rule 5 draft. That doesn't mean that the Astros will draft two players. They could draft one or even none. Teams don't have to select players they're free to pass especially if their 40-man roster is full. Nine teams have full 40-man rosters: Baltimore, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Detroit, Kansas City, Pittsburgh, San Diego, San Francisco and Toronto.

Personally, I'd like to see the Astros grab two players in the rule 5. With the front office in a reboot state it wouldn't be a bad idea to give the new GM a full 40 man roster to play with. Unless of course they're close to signing a free agent, like Johnny Damon, in which case they'll need a 40-man roster spot for that.

The Astros have needs all over the field. Really the only two spots set in stone are first base and left field where there's sure to be a combination of Carlos Lee and either J.D. Martinez or Brett Wallace next year.The pitching staff has depth but lacks talent in that depth.

Shortstop is easily the position the Astros need a body for the most. Unfortunately picking the Astros biggest position need and plugging it into the rule 5 draft isn't going to work. The shortstops available are either uninspiring or lack the ability to stay at the position. Their are some decent pitchers available but the starters fall right in line with what the Astros already have and there are enough intriguing position players available that it'd be a waste to make the first selection a reliever.

The most interesting position players are in the outfield and at the catcher position. Jason Castro by all accounts will be the starter next year. However he is coming of surgery and the Astros could look at a right handed compliment to Castro. Martinez and to a certain extent Brian Bogusevic look to have the corners locked up, but there may be an opening in center field with the high flying Jordan Schafer's drug exploits. If the Astros plan on trading Wandy it wouldn't be a bad idea to take a starter in the rule 5.

Jordan Danks: A 25 year old White Sox center field prospect has a brother already in the Major League rotation, John Danks. Jordan spent last year in AAA playing for the Charlotte Knights posting a .257/.344/.425 line from the left handed batters box. Which isn't far off from his .258/.340/.408 career line. His 14 homeruns last season was the first time reaching double digits and might indicate he's finding a bit of power. On the base path's he's had good success stealing at 76% success rate for his career. The downside offensively is that he's striking out like Adam Dunn. If you thought Michael Bourn's strikeouts were bad, Danks takes it to a whole new level. Defensively he's a plus defender in center field.

Sean probably put it best when he said this could be Shane Victorino for the Astros (an Ed Wade selection by the way). The strikeouts are worrying but being able to provide teen power while still getting on base, stealing bases and providing plus defense in center makes him a great option in center field.

Erik Komatsu: Clack's favorite. The 24 year old left handed hitting outfielder is a recent Washington Nationals acquisition for Jerry Hairston Jr. He's an on base player that can play all three outfield positions. Last year between Huntsville (Milwaukee) and Harrisburg (Nationals) he posted a .277/.367/.382. Komatsu walks almost as much as he strikeouts, but lacks power hitting only 7 homeruns last year. He's not the greatest base stealer either, a lot like Hunter Pence in fact. He can steal a base but you'd rather he didn't try to often. Defensively he's got an accurate arm and appears to be solid at all three outfield positions. Minute Maid Parks center field may be a stretch for him but a majority of center fielders are going to be stretched out there.

What Danks isn't Komatsu is, an on base guy. Which makes him a very good candidate to replace Bourn in the lead-off spot. He's never played above AA but he's also a year younger and if last year was any indication the Astros may not have a problem with that. The Astros can't go wrong with either Danks or Komatsu both appear capable of playing the center field position and each bring something the Astros desperately need. Power and the ability to get on base.

Clarence AKA Clack:

I am surprised that the Nats made Komatsu available. He was the Brewers' minor league player of the year in 2010, and he was having al good season in AA before he was traded to the Nats. His minor league offense tailed off with the Nats, and maybe that's why they left him off the 40 man roster. But the Nationals' front office and manager extolled his potential when they traded Jerry Hairston for him at mid season. After acquiring him, the Nats suggested he might be a 4th outfielder call up if injuries occurred. He might be worth looking at in spring training as a competitor with Shuck and others for the 5th outfielder slot.

Gorman Erickson: The soon to be 24 year old switch hitting catcher in the Los Angeles Dodgers organization, has some potential to be a good offensive option at the catcher position. He rebounded offensively from a poor 2010 campaign batting .293/.379/.486 between high A Rancho Cucamonga and AA Chattanooga. He has a good walk rate, low strike out rate and reached double digit homeruns for the first time last season. Defensively he's still a work in progress but there's potential there to be a good backstop.

The Astros are looking at the possibility of carrying a third catcher next season. Erickson would be a nice candidate to do so. Unfortunately Mills wants that catcher to be able to play other positions. Erickson aside from 11 games at DH has seen all of his time behind the dish. If the Astros are willing to drop that stipulation Erickson could be an Astros selection.

John Hester: A 28 year old right handed hitting catcher in the Baltimore Orioles system. He was acquired with Mark Reynolds from the Arizona Diamondbacks last year around this time. Between the two systems he hit .252/.324/.350 at AAA. He's been at AAA since 2009 so that may say something about his potential at the major league level. He does have some power, but doesn't walk a lot and is very slow. Something the Astros might be interested in is that he calls a good game. His defense though probably isn't on par with Humberto Quintero.

The biggest thing Hester brings is that he'd be a cheaper option than Q who's set to make over a million in arbitration this year.

Brad Meyers: The 26 year old right handed Washington Nationals product spent a majority of his time starting between AA Harrisburg and AAA Syracuse last year. He posted a 3.18 ERA in 138.2 innings. The thing that stands out about Meyers is that he will not walk people. Last year he walked only 15 batters. It's pretty clear that he's a command and control type of pitcher. He's got a good repertoire including a low 90's fastball, curveball and changeup. He projects to be a middle to backend of the rotation starter.

As stated above, If the Astros are intent on trading Wandy Rodriguez and/or Brett Myers selecting Meyers is not a bad idea.

Chris AKA CRPerry13:

Prior to 2011, Meyers was the 15th-best prospect in a good Washington Nationals system, according to Kevin Goldstein of Baseball Prospectus. Goldstein said, "He has a deep arsenal and plus command and control; scouts just wish he threw harder." Just like Jose Altuve for the Astros, the results that Meyers keeps delivering should begin to speak for themselves, despite scouts' concerns. In 138.2 IP last season across three levels, Meyers held a 7.5 K/9 and a 1.0 BB/9 with an ERA of 3.18. He holds a career 2.86 ERA in over 450 innings. That's enough for a tryout in my book. If the Astros take this guy, the numbers indicate he could immediately succeed as their #4 starter.

Clarence AKA Clack:

Meyers' K:BB rate is great, and he probably is the most ML ready starting pitcher among the Rule 5 candidates. In AA, he worked over 40 innings before yielding a walk, and then it was an 8 pitch BB against a major league hitter.

Nick Barnese: The soon to be 23 year old is a right handed starter that has seen a steady climb through the Tampa Bay Rays system. Last year in AA Montgomery Barnese posted a 3.76 ERA in 117.1 innings with a 1.415 WHIP. He features a 89-94 fastball with movement, a curveball and a good changeup. He projects to be a middle to back end of the rotation starter. He posted the worst numbers of his career last year. John Sickels recently said that he has durability/injury concerns and rated him as a C+ prospect.

Like Meyers if the Astros are intent on trading Wandy and/or Meyers Barnese makes sense, but personally I would prefer Meyers.

Jesse AKA conroestro:

In terms of guys that have a good chance at sticking on the roster all year, I would say maybe Brad Meyers, Jordan Danks, or Pat Venditte would be good options and a safe pick. However If I was looking at upside then I would like Nick Barnese. He is definitely not ready, but has potential to be a decent starter in the future if he can get his walk rate under control. He is probably my favorite this year in the draft.

Bryce Stowell: The 25 year old right handed in the Cleveland Indians system is one of the best relief pitchers available. Scouting reports indicate he plays in the high 90's with the occasional triple digit reading. He also has a developing slider and a changeup. He only pitched 38.2 innings last year due to personal issues but did post a 2.09 ERA with a 35.4 K%. The negatives are that he walks almost 5 per nine innings and has struggled with arm issues in the past. Stowell projects to be a late inning reliever at the Major League level.

Stowell's walk rate, injury and personal issues are a concern but he wouldn't be a bad selection for a bullpen that struggled last year. A second round selection for Stowell or any other reliever is more likely.

Chris AKA CRPerry 13:

Stowell is a 25-year old right-hander with control issues. Prior to 2011, Goldstein ranked him #12 in the Indians system and had this to say: "This power reliever whiffed 102 over 67 1/3 innings in 2010; his upper-90s fastball should reach the majors in 2011." Stowell never made it to the majors, but his career line sits at 3.17 ERA with a 12.1 K/9. His elite strikeout rate and high walk rate make him look like a young Brad Lidge to me, and one thing the Astros lack is power power pitchers. If this guy is available later in the Rule 5 draft, the Astros need to take a look.

Brandon Sisk: The left handed 26 year old Kansas City Royals product is a relief pitcher with a low 90's fastball and low 80's off speed stuff. Between AA Northwest Arkansas and AAA Omaha Sisk posted a 2.52 ERA in 60.2 innings. He's got a good strikeout rate 8.6 K/9 and a decent walk rate 3.4 BB/9. He'd make for a good LOOGY.

Johan Yan: The righty side-arming 23 year old relief pitcher for the Texas Rangers has posted some pretty impressive numbers in the minors the last two years. Between high A Myrtle Beach and AA Frisco Yan compiled a 1.06 ERA in 68 innings of work. He features a heavy 87-90 mph sinker, a developing slider and a changeup. He's a converted shortstop so he's still a bit new to the pitching game but is showing a lot of success. He's been moving quickly through the Ranger's system and could be ready for majors in 2012 regardless of whether or not a team drafts him.

Clarence AKA Clack:

Yan may be one of the easier pitchers to keep on the roster because he can be used as a one hitter ROOGY reliever. I like the sidearm-quirky delivery relievers in that role, because hitters aren't used to seeing them.

Cesar Cabral: The soon to be 23 year old is a left handed relief pitcher in the Boston Red Sox organization. Cabral is no stranger to the rule 5 drat as he was selected last year by the Rays but was returned to the Red Sox before the end of Spring Training. He's got good numbers across the board posting a 2.95 ERA between high A Salem and AA Portland in 55 innings. His K/9 has been trending upwards since he began pitching in the Minor Leagues, it peaked at 11.5 last year. His 3.4 BB/9 also isn't terrible and appears to be a result of him improving his strikeout numbers. As for stuff he has a low 90's fastball, a good low 80s change, mid 70's curvelball and low 80s slider.

Chris AKA CRPerry13:

Despite a 5-year minor league career, Cabral will be 23 years old in 2012. He's a lefty power reliever who posted a 11.5 K/9 last season with a not-shabby (for a strikeout pitcher) 3.4 BB/9 . Controlled wildness may make his ERA fluctuate initially in the majors, but at his age the Astros could use him in low-leverage situations while he learns to harness his stuff.

Pat Venditte: The 26 year old switch relief pitcher (ya you read that right) is a New York Yankees product. Venditte posted a 3.40 ERA in 90 innings at AA Trenton last year. He struck out almost a batter per inning and walked 3.1 per nine innings. Even though he has the platoon advantage his stuff isn't that great and he lacks an out pitch. From the right side he has an over the top delivery with a low 90's fastball and curve ball. From the left he has a much slower fastball to go along with a slider and changeup. If you're wondering what happens when a switch hitter comes to the plate here's a video.

There are still a lot of question marks about whether or not Venditte can be a viable relief option at the Major League level. Obviously he has the platoon advantage against every batter but his stuff is lacking. However if the Astros are looking for a reason to get fans to the ballpark this could be an option.

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My vote

My vote is for Meyers. If the Astros get him, I’ll be excited. With their 2nd pick, I’d be happy with Cabral or Stowell, though I’d prefer Cabral because he’s younger and a lefty. And he walks fewer batters.

Good article.

by CRPerry13 on Dec 5, 2011 8:19 AM CST reply actions  

I would probably take the player likely to be in highest demand with the first pick. That means probably targeting Meyers, though I could be wrong about how the teams are valuing him in the Rule 5. I would probably target either Kamatsu or Yan with the second pick, depending on who remains on the board. However, the team may want to keep 1 space open on the 40 man roster, and they could decide that none of the remaining Rule 5 possibilities are worth the reduced roster flexibility, deciding instead to skip the second round. It’s not unusual for teams to skip the second round of the Rule 5.

by clack on Dec 5, 2011 9:09 AM CST reply actions  

Yan sounds like a nice piece

Wasn’t familiar with him, but he’s just the kind of guy I’d like to see them target. Maybe not with the top choice, but certainly someone to look at with their second selection.

by kyuss94 on Dec 5, 2011 9:27 AM CST reply actions  

No infielders even worth talking about?

I hope they take Danks or Komatsu. There’s enough depth in the system that they don’t need to take a pitcher unless they trade Wandy or Myers.

by Snake Diggity on Dec 5, 2011 10:17 AM CST reply actions  

Awesome post.

This is the first time I’ve been able to see a comprehensive list of some of the more intriguing names available in the Rule 5 draft. I’m pulling for Barnese, personally.

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by Stupendous Man on Dec 5, 2011 10:20 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

I’d like to take a chance on either Danks or Komatsu.

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by hunterpencefan on Dec 5, 2011 10:22 AM CST reply actions  

Am I the only one that sees nothing in either of these guys

I mean I guess Komatsu might be a decent bench player, but what makes him better than JB Shuck? And the Danks/Victorino comparison is way way off. Victorino’s minor league performance was far superior, he hit for much better average across all levels.

by kyuss94 on Dec 5, 2011 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Komatsu has some similarity to Shuck, as a guy who can take walks, but Komatsu should have a bit more power. I can see Komatsu as somewhat similar to Austin Wates, but at a more advanced level of the minors. I don’t think Shuck is a good defensive CFer, and maybe Komatsu can be a decent CFer, (that’s an unknown). So, my thought is that Komatsu could be brought in to spring training to compete with Shuck, and others for a back up CFer spot. If he doesn’t look like the best 5th outfielder, you send him back—-that’s what happens to 90% of Rule 5 picks. Realistically, you are going to use Rule 5 position players as back ups and pinch runners; it’s unlikely that you find a starting position player who is ready to be a starter.

I’m skeptical of drafting Danks, though I wouldn’t be upset if the Astros drafted him. I just think his K rate would make him a tough fit as a pinch hitter / back up.

by clack on Dec 5, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

As I alluded to in my comment in the article, if you set aside his half year after his trade, Komatsu’s experience in the Brewers’ organization indicates a higher ceiling than Shuck; Komatsu’s performance dropped severely after he was traded to the Nats at mid-year. I’m not sure why, but sometimes the shock of changing organizations can affect a player temporarily.

Komatsu’s performance for the Brewers since 2010:
A+ (Brevard County) .323, .410, .442, .852
AA (Huntsville) .294, .393, .416, .809.

by clack on Dec 5, 2011 11:34 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree on the Komatsu and Shuck comparison.

Both share the statistical profile of not enough glove for full-time CF duty, not enough pop for full-time RF or LF duty. I can’t see why Houston would want two very similar players of that ilk. Same goes with Danks and Schafer, for that matter, given their beyond-shared-first-name similarities.

by reillocity on Dec 5, 2011 5:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Komatsu has greater potential to show some power, based on his background.

by clack on Dec 5, 2011 8:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I would like Danks alot more if he was a right handed hitter. Then he would be able to platoon with Jordan Schaefer. As it stands though it seems like Danks and Schaefer’s skillset is pretty similar, and I would rather Schaefer get the opportunity. With some of the higher upside pitchers available I would rather the Astros take a chance on an arm. You can never have enough pitching.

by conroestro on Dec 5, 2011 11:30 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Ouch. I guess it was a long shot anyways, but oh well. If that’s the case then my favorite now is Luhnow (if I spelled it right) from the Cardinals.

by conroestro on Dec 5, 2011 12:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

There goes last nights podcast recording.

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by Timothy De Block on Dec 5, 2011 1:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Even worse now.

by conroestro on Dec 5, 2011 1:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Houston Chronicle says Astros never interviewed Friedman

Why not? They reprrotedly interviewed others.

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by Joe in Birmingham on Dec 5, 2011 8:33 PM CST up reply actions  

It sounds like Friedman chose not to go through the interview process. The article quotes the Rays’ press release: "Andrew chose not to be a part of the Astros’ process."

by clack on Dec 5, 2011 8:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I wonder if he was the reason for the delay or the Astros were.

Since the Astros interviewed like 6 candidates so far, one party or the other was stalling.

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by Joe in Birmingham on Dec 5, 2011 8:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I’ve got to think Daniels was the delay, perhaps he took some time to think about it. I suspect that Postolos and Crane wanted a chance to make their pitch whenever they could.

by clack on Dec 6, 2011 10:29 AM CST up reply actions  

komatsu

komatsu seems like he would be good as 4th or 5th of…. i think we need a utility infielder….who is good at getting on base…. biggest need may be a big dog starter…we have a bunch of good pitchers and prospects….but lack an ACE….bullpen seems ok to me… and i am glad to be in american league…. will see yankees, redsox…twins…rangers, angels…al east is ok… astros will fit in…. they are as good as the other 4…mike h

by Mike HJALM on Dec 5, 2011 12:57 PM CST reply actions  

I started looking into Brad Meyers a couple days ago

I like that he throws strikes and doesn’t walk guys. Seems ready for a big league trial, if not here then somewhere. If he is able to stay in the rotation then we could have Bud, Brett and Brad aka the return of the killer B’s… the marketing practically writes itself for the 50 anniversary season. You’re welcome Crane.

by lawson3 on Dec 5, 2011 1:34 PM CST reply actions  

agreed. I like Meyers and the relievers because they’d actually contribute. I’m not as excited about Komatsu as some of you are because we have so many 4th/5th outfield types already. I’d rather have somebody who will play next season and get some experience than somebody who will ride the pine because the Astros aren’t allowed to demote him.

by CRPerry13 on Dec 5, 2011 1:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I wouldnt mind Komatsu in the 2nd round

If he is available and if they plan on taking 2 which in rebuilding mode I think they may. He gets on base and can be returned after spring training if the don’t think he can stick the whole year. But Meyers seems like the best choice.

by lawson3 on Dec 5, 2011 2:07 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Komatsu Ericsson and Meyers

Would all make me happy. They all are young and seem to have enough polish that they can get by for a season in the majors and still have upside. I find the rule 5 draft exciting. It’s like getting free lotto tickets or something. Meyers is probably the wise choice just like Rodrigeuz was last year…but position players are more exciting for me, and several of those position players can take walks which is something the Astros don’t know how to do.

by ntn on Dec 5, 2011 1:38 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Meyers, Stowell, and Danks

In that order if they’re still there. I think Meyers is the safe choice, but I find myself unimpressed because he’s basically another 3/4/5 type starter. He could move up to a #2 guy someday if his command is pinpoint and he excells at pitching to major leaguers, but he just seems like more of what we already have.

Stowell is a guy that has a lot of upside. He obviously has control issues if he’s walking nearly 5 per 9 but he was able to maintain a 2.09 ERA in spite of that. 102 strikeouts in 2010 tells me that he has great stuff and could be a dominant closer type if he gets his command in control. That’s worth a look!

Danks, I love speed guys! If he has power to go with it, even better! Now there’s the contact/K rate….ugh. That’s why he’s not on a 40, but there is still potential with a guy that can cover our CF and hit for some power and steal. Just teach these guys the Michael Bourn special, poke it out into LF and go for 2.

by Its Gonna Happen on Dec 5, 2011 2:59 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

I like Meyers for what he is

But he is not a #3 starter, let alone a #2. He’s a #5/long relief type, with an absolute ceiling of a #4. He’s got very nice command/control, but at age 26 his stuff isn’t going to magically get better.

by kyuss94 on Dec 5, 2011 5:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Only reason I put that

Is if he somehow GREATLY EXCEEDS expectations, I don’t want to be the one who didn’t see it coming. Does it make me sound like I don’t know what the hell I’m talking about in regards to prospects, probably, but I don’t like to write off a prospects ceiling. I think of Cliff Lee and Roy Oswalt when I think about potential. Guys can sometimes seem average at best and then something clicks, they figure it out, and sky’s the limit.

The more I think about it though, the more I like Stowell. Just much higher potential with his plus fastball. We need more hard throwers IMO

by Its Gonna Happen on Dec 5, 2011 6:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

We need more hard throwers IMO

Amen, amen, amen. Though I’d rather Cabral, I like Stowell a lot.

by CRPerry13 on Dec 5, 2011 7:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Will somebody please give Tal Smith a job immediatly so that he can draft TJ Steele!

by Subber10 on Dec 5, 2011 3:55 PM CST reply actions  

Heyman with another name for the Astros' GM mix....

Scott Nethery, who is identified as a former executive for the Reds. (I’m not sure about the “former;” his linkedin page indicates he currently holds that position.) He was Asst. GM for Pro Scouting under both Krivsky and Jocketty. Other information gathered in a google search: Nethery is a former assistant to Omar Minaya with the Mets and was hired by the Reds in 2005. He is a Houston native who received bachelors and masters degrees from Texas Tech, where he was a 4 year baseball starter.

by clack on Dec 5, 2011 5:21 PM CST reply actions  

If you're looking to dive further

into potential rule 5 targets Vlad over at Buc’s Dugout did an even more extensive look at rule 5 eligible players.

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by Timothy De Block on Dec 5, 2011 7:12 PM CST reply actions  

I agree that they are interesting. Unfortunately, only one (Pham) has made it to AA. In general, there are a lot of intriguing players who are at A level on his list. I suppose that is why teams were willing to expose them to the Rule 5, thinking that the players won’t be able to stay on anyone’s major league roster. As I recall, the Rays bloggers handicapped Lara as more likely to be picked than Barnese, because of his velocity. I would be tempted to take Rhee for his potential, even though it’s probably difficult to devote a ML bullpen to him.

McFarland, the LHP reliever from the Indians’ system, seems like a young pitcher who could be used as a LOOGY.

by clack on Dec 5, 2011 10:10 PM CST up reply actions  

How does the minor league portion of the draft work?

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by BustaPozee on Dec 5, 2011 10:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I believe

(and I could be wrong) but players need to have been in the same system for 5 years as opposed to 4 for the major league portion, and players selected only have to be kept on the 40 man as opposed to the major league roster. This is just off the top of my head, feel free to correct me if I’m off here

by kyuss94 on Dec 5, 2011 10:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Personally, I would much rather have Pham than Komatsu

I know the various injuries are a little offputting, but if the eye condition is really under control he should be fine. His multiple .800+ OPS seasons and ability to man CF in the bigs make him a more attractive option than a guy like Komatsu who is more ready to contribute but is about as good as he’s ever going to be already.

by kyuss94 on Dec 5, 2011 10:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Pham is interesting, but the drafting team probably wants to closely look at the injuries/medical condition.

by clack on Dec 5, 2011 10:58 PM CST up reply actions  

My understanding is that teams don’t have access to all the draftee’s medical records. So a team is taking a gamble that the players is healthy.

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by Timothy De Block on Dec 6, 2011 6:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Marwin Gonzalez looks interesting. They say he can stay at SS and with Altuve and Paredes being potential IFers with him, that could create a solid IF. He’s not a guy to draw walks or strikeout or steal bases, but he developed some doubles power last year and at 22, that could continue. If he can be average defensively and hit for a decent average with some doubles, he wouldn’t be terrible in the back end of the lineup. Definitely looks more attractive than current options IMO, if last year is an indicator that he’s actually improving.

by Subber10 on Dec 5, 2011 8:09 PM CST up reply actions  

We had talked about Gonzalez in another thread, and I had read some reports that he doesn’t have the range to stay at shortstop, that he mostly likely will be a second baseman. That made me wonder about his fit. That would still permit him to fill a utility role, though.

by clack on Dec 5, 2011 8:55 PM CST up reply actions  

The Buc’s Dugout seemed to lead me to that he could stick there. However, if he would be bad there, that changes things a bit. I don’t really have time to research these guys right now, and Buc’s dugout has a good rep with these things so I took as concensus.

by Subber10 on Dec 5, 2011 10:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I read reports as well that indicated he’d have to move to second. I think the Astros could get more bang for their buck with another option. Shortstop might be the biggest need for this team but it’s far from the only need.

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by Timothy De Block on Dec 6, 2011 7:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Goldstein with B-Pro says his ceiling is as a utility player but that he may be ready for the majors. There are worse ideas than drafting him, particularly if he is still around in the 2d round. It’s not like the competition for utility infielder on the Astros’ roster is overwhelming.

by clack on Dec 6, 2011 7:33 AM CST up reply actions  

How would that create a solid infield? There’s not one major league out of 30 that would trade their infield for that, and I bet most major league teams wouldn’t trade their AA infield for that.

by CRPerry13 on Dec 5, 2011 9:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Paredes and Altuve are average defenders at best, by the numbers. And I don’t care if we field nine Adam Everetts. If they can’t hit, they can’t hit.

by CRPerry13 on Dec 6, 2011 9:07 AM CST up reply actions  

By the numbers? They have less than a years worth of defensive metrics which a years worth is small sample size. Scouting reports all indicate they have potential for above average defense, especially paredes. Altuve is limited to range because of his size, despite he made some very impressive plays last year.

The argument was that if he was decent as SS, we could at least field a solid defensive IF and that if last year was indication of him developing some, he would be worth a risk.

by Subber10 on Dec 6, 2011 9:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Hey, he'd be better than Angel Sanchez, right?

He wouldn’t be a long-term option at SS, but he could play it a year or two.

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by BustaPozee on Dec 5, 2011 10:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I’m not prepared to say he would be better than Sanchez this year. They have comparable speed scores (not a perfect measure), and both are iffy on defense at short. Offense probably is similar. Gonzalez is much younger, and his appeal (in my view) would be the potential to improve in a couple of years. I think Marwin Gonzalez might be a good pick if the Astros are able to use him as a utility infielder this year with the hope of more development in the future. That’s my take anyway.

by clack on Dec 5, 2011 11:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Read Vlads write up, very impressive

I find myself a little interested in Marwin Gonzalez of the Cubs. I believe he could end up being a decent back up at best.

by Uncle Chris on Dec 5, 2011 8:00 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

  • at worst.

by Uncle Chris on Dec 5, 2011 8:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

So you're saying the Astros actually came out on the good side of a trade?

“At the end of Spring Training the Astros and Indians worked out a deal in which the Indians got Jeroime Robertson for Luke Scott and the rights to Willy Taveras (Why isn’t Hunsicker interviewing again?).”

I don’t remember this trade (I remember the players); and Houston really came out on the best side of that deal.

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by Joe in Birmingham on Dec 5, 2011 9:01 PM CST reply actions  

Jeriome Robertson was a good example of why you can’t rely on pitchers’ W/L records. He had a deceptive 15 wins or so, which was best among all MLB rookies in his rookie season, and the Astros took advantage of his shiny win record to trade him to the Indians. Unfortunately, Robertson died in a motorcycle accident last year.

by clack on Dec 5, 2011 9:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes yes.

To me W/L is something that can be ignored. The rest of the numbers tell the story so much better. Sure Verlander’s 24-2 is sexy, but the ratios are what is truly impressive about his season.

by kyuss94 on Dec 5, 2011 10:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Mtmy mom was down for 2 days when Robertson passed...

Just saying.
He was one of my faves

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by ccislanders on Dec 7, 2011 11:46 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Add Royals assistant GM J.J. Picollo to list of candidates who have interviewed for the Astros GM.

by lawson3 on Dec 5, 2011 11:19 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

That had been reported earlier by Rosenthal, but it was never confirmed by the Houston media. Postolos said that a half dozen people have been interviewed (several more than the Houston media had reported)….so Picollo was probably among them. Picollo has a scouting background with the Braves and Royals.

by clack on Dec 6, 2011 6:30 AM CST up reply actions  

sorry, my reference to an earlier report by Rosenthal was mistaken. I was thinking of this report from the Royals’ beat writer last Friday.

by clack on Dec 6, 2011 10:30 AM CST up reply actions  

all good

Just splitting hairs at this point. I really think the astros will get someone with an AL and player development background. Which make guys like J.J. Picollo interesting. To me at least.

by lawson3 on Dec 6, 2011 10:49 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I would be down for Piccollo. Now that Freidman and Thad are out of the picture.

The Royals system is TOP NOTCH. And they are set for a Rays like run very soon IMO.

Though I wanted a GM w/ a name like THAD. Ill settle for JJ.

by YohannDookeyblue on Dec 6, 2011 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Unless they overpay, the Astros are going to get the dregs of the Free Agents shortstop class. Few (if any) legitimate starters are available, and plenty of the backups would sign with a team in the interest of getting a ring as a sub rather than sign with a 100-loss team like the Astros, knowing they’re only a 2-year placeholder for Villar, at best. I think the Astros will be kept waiting until all the better teams fill their bench spots before they’re able to sign a starting short stop.

by CRPerry13 on Dec 6, 2011 9:10 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree with your general point that the Astros will probably wait and see who is left after everyone else has filled their bench. But if Hairston wants a ring, I don’t think the Dodgers are a great bet. If he wants a ring, he should have stayed in Milwaukee.

by clack on Dec 6, 2011 9:49 AM CST up reply actions  

One less cheap shortstop option available.

by conroestro on Dec 6, 2011 1:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm not one who likes to throw out ridiculous trades

But anyone think Wandy for Jed Lowrie seems like something reasonable. I understand it will never happen but I could see the Red Sox looking for a lefty and the Astros need a young shortstop.

by Uncle Chris on Dec 6, 2011 9:25 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

That would be reasonable, although I’d rather see Houston throw in $6M and get Lowrie, Drake Britton and a lower level high ceiling IF.

by Snake Diggity on Dec 6, 2011 9:31 AM CST up reply actions  

just curious why you think it’s unrealistic? the rumor is that the Red Sox are looking to trade Lowrie for a starting pitcher.

by clack on Dec 6, 2011 9:44 AM CST up reply actions  

oh, sorry, OremLK, I noticed that your comment replied to Snake Diggity’s comment, rather than the overall idea of trading for Lowrie.

by clack on Dec 6, 2011 9:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Right

The “Lowrie, Britton, + diceroll high ceiling guy” seems like a very optimistic return for Wandy + $6M.

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by OremLK on Dec 6, 2011 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I guess I’m not valuing Britton high enough; I thought some of the shine had come off there.

by Snake Diggity on Dec 6, 2011 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Lowrie’s about to start getting expensive, isn’t he? He should be getting close to arbitration.

by CRPerry13 on Dec 6, 2011 9:59 AM CST up reply actions  

He is older than the optimal young age for the Astros. And he is probably approaching arbitration, though I don’t know that he will be expensive (well, more expensive than the minimum salary which he currently gets, but still probably a $1 million player who is cheaper than a free agent). My thinking is that he would allow the Astros to avoid signing a lower tier free agent, which saves some money. And at the same time, you get an infielder with a good pedigree who has a chance to develop into a very good player.

by clack on Dec 6, 2011 1:49 PM CST up reply actions  

No argument here. I wouldn’t complain about Lowrie. He can hit a bit, though his fielding isn’t very good.

by CRPerry13 on Dec 6, 2011 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd be happy if we got Meyers.

Could definitely see him being in the 2012 rotation.

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by bone31crusher on Dec 6, 2011 6:07 PM CST reply actions  

Brett Myers
Brad Meyers

I bet media reporters will make fun of the similarities in names like they did with the Padres’ Nick Hundley and Chase Headley.

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.

by BustaPozee on Dec 6, 2011 7:36 PM CST up reply actions  

So according to MLBTR

Geivett’s favored for the GM job. I am Kind of “Meh” on this. They have a nice young core, but it’s not great. Would prefer Logan White.

Also, Goff is reporting that we’re leaning toward a reliever. Again, 1st pick and we take a reliever? Would not be to happy with that decision.

by YohannDookeyblue on Dec 7, 2011 12:35 AM CST reply actions  

It’s easiest to carry a reliever for a full season on the ML roster. So, that wouldn’t surprise me.

by clack on Dec 7, 2011 1:30 AM CST up reply actions  

If they take a pure reliever I’d be surprised. The Astros could grab either Barnese or Meyers and use them as a reliever, but maybe that is the plan.

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by Timothy De Block on Dec 7, 2011 7:23 AM CST up reply actions  

What day is the Rule 5 draft?

by CRPerry13 on Dec 7, 2011 9:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Thursday

Still trying to nail down a time.

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by Timothy De Block on Dec 7, 2011 9:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Should we do a quick survey

And all guess who the Astros will ACTUALLY take, and anybody who gets it right gets a prize, like the rest of us call him/her “Nostradamus” for the 2012 season?

by CRPerry13 on Dec 7, 2011 10:56 AM CST up reply actions  

I'll go with Pham

More because he’s my first choice than anything. Here’s hoping

by kyuss94 on Dec 7, 2011 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Levine tweeted that the Rule 5 draft starts at 9 am. I assume that is CDT.

by clack on Dec 7, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

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