B-Pro on Wave of New GMs
This article is worth linking, if for no other reason, that it quotes from comments at TCB. Pointing to new GM hires like Luhnow and Epstein, the article suggests that it is becoming increasingly difficult for small market teams to gain an advantage based on hiring a smart GM, alone, because...almost .all teams are catching up by recognizing the need for saavy GMs.
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Wow...
Pretty crazy seeing TCB posters quoted at Baseball Prospectus…
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by Stupendous Man on Dec 22, 2011 12:00 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I don’t really get why they spend so much time talking about how NL Central GMs will make it tough on the Astros.
by seanbergmanrules on Dec 22, 2011 7:53 PM CST reply actions
True. It’s kind of an artificial argument to make their point. But I suspect that the same point could be made with AL West GMs, particularly with DiPota taking over in LAA.
by clack on Dec 22, 2011 8:21 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Even with sabermetric-minded GM's
There is no better indicator of future success than traditional scouting of players. Stats don’t identify holes in swings. Stats don’t tell you the likelihood of a player becoming great at a major league level.
This is why I feel that we need to have the best scouts in major league baseball in order to have the best farm system in baseball. There is no piece of technology available today that can replace a human’s ability to scout a player.
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Stats don’t tell you the likelihood of a player becoming great at a major league level.
There is no certainty that the statement is correct. Maybe the stats have yet to be invented. In reality, neither stats nor scouting are sure things to identify success at the major league level. Someone has to use judgement to combine both. Scouts can be very, very wrong. Stats can be incomplete. So, I hope whomever is exercising the judgement in integrating the scouting and statistical data is very good.
by clack on Dec 22, 2011 10:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I totally agree with this.
The best GMs are the ones that really integrate their stats with what their scouts are seeing, imo.
When I said “Stats don’t tell you the likelihood of a player becoming great at a major league level”, I meant that in a present day sense. I didn’t say stats WON’T tell us the the likelihood of a player’s success in the future. For all we know, in the future point-and-shoot cameras could be tracking the spins on baseballs, computer programs could be analyzing the glide path a bat takes when a player swings it, the reaction time from pitch to swing. There is a lot of potential for stats in the future, but currently stats don’t tell us much of anything, especially on a high school or college level where the emphasis on scouting is really high and the emphasis on any kind of statistical analysis is really low. I’m not saying any kind on emphasis on statistical analysis should be disregarded, but if you are scouting a really projectable player, you would expect to see good results from statistical analysis.
Scouts can be wrong. But that’s just that. Scouting isn’t perfect. I never said it is. All I said is that statistics cannot replace scouting at this point in time. But scouts do not always evaluate talent equally. This is where an emphasis on scouting is important. My main point is not putting an emphasis on more scouting than statistics, but putting more emphasis on hiring scouts who have the best track record at finding talent, have the best track record at finding needles in a haystack, and have the ability to analyze a player from top to bottom and evaluate potential weeknesses more effectively than any old average scout can do. And that was the main point of my 1st post. Not that I want less statistics, but that I want better scouts. And that could give us an advantage over all the other teams who are hiring savvy GM’s.
Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is probably the reason why so few engage in it. - Henry Ford
Yeah, I agree with you that improving the quality of scouting is a means for differentiating teams’ front office performance. That is not a new development. If a team is serious about relying on internal player development, it has to strive for the hiring and keeping good scouts. However, I think you may be selling the value of statistical analysis short for evaluating college players. (Obviously it’s more difficult to rely on individual statistics at the high school level.) As I understand it, Luhnow led the Cardinals to develop proprietary statistics on college players that took into account park factors, the quality of the pitchers faced by batters and vice versa, etc. If nothing else, this might allow a team to identify the amateur players upon whom they should concentrate their scouting resources.
I’m not arguing with your point, just elaborating.
by clack on Dec 23, 2011 7:06 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
it's also whom the GM hires...
this probably fits with your point, but on a broader level. The B-Pro article makes a good point that it’s not just the GM’s talent/ability, but more importantly the people whom he hires. We really won’t know much about a Luhnow front office for months or even years, because it will take that long for him to re-formulate the front office with the personnel and positions he wants in place.
by clack on Dec 22, 2011 10:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It's somehow fitting
that when the Astros finally get a saber-using GM, BPro decides that stats are passe.
(I’m 90% kidding)
It’s a requirement now to be competitive. What Luhnow needs to do is be innovative.
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