Luhnow's Blogger-Friendly Background
TCB is the home of Astros bloggers. That's why I'm surprised that we haven't talked about new GM Jeff Luhnow's blogger friendly past. As an executive with the Cardinals, Luhnow had a number of notable interactions with fan bloggers. That has to be a welcome trend for those of us who write for TCB and spend time reading other baseball blogs. It's possible that the GM role will change how much interaction Luhnow can have with bloggers, but it's still nice to know that he sees value in the fan blogs. In an earlier period, before the days of team social media directors, Luhnow's interaction with bloggers probably was frowned upon by some of the traditional baseball guys. So this friendliness was not immediately cost-free for him.
In a 2007 interview, Luhnow said he frequently reads fan blogs and message boards:
Any input is valuable if the person puts some thought behind it. I read the blogs and message boards all the time and there is tons of good stuff in there, mixed in with some "puh-leeeease" stuff as you call it.
If you have been following along here at TCB, you may have already read Luhnow's previous interviews at the SBN sabermetric blog, Beyond the Boxscore, as well as Baseball Prospectus. Perhaps even more interesting is the two interviews he gave TCB's sister blog, vivaelbirdos, in 2007. The first is here and the second ("letter from luhnow") is here. (I joined TCB around then, but I was already aware of the VEB interviewer, "lboros," or Larry Borowsky, who I considered one of the best writers in the baseball blogosphere at that time.)
Luhnow's willingness to give meaty, thoughtfull answers--not just courtesy time--to a fan blog is impressive. Though many of the questions are specific to past tense Cardinals' prospects, I think you will find some of his explanations of scouting and farm philosophy interesting.
Some answers in the VEB interviews that I found particularly thoughtful...
Although Luhnow admits to being a good fantasy baseball player for 10 years prior to joining the Cardinals, he disagrees with the suggestion that the popularity of fantasy baseball was a force behind sabermetrics:
I'm not buying it. Bill James is not a fantasy guy, nor is MGL, Tango or any of the other titans. Branch Rickey wasn't thinking about fantasy baseball when he came up with his formula which was published in Life magazine in the 50s. Fact-based analysis is a part of all other industries . . . why should baseball be any different? Now, fantasy baseball did pique many people's interest in the numbers behind the game, and that is a good thing.
Luhnow discusses some hard lessons he has learned in his job:
Much as we try to make it so, life in baseball is not always fair. There is a lot of talent in our organization. The scouts do a tremendous job of identifying young men who have the potential to succeed in professional baseball. Oftentimes, what separates those who achieve their potential and those that fall short is simply the opportunity. The opportunity is scarce and valuable, and determining who gets those plate appearances and those innings is an important decision. There are tons of guys in the minors who never get the opportunity to prove themselves in the big leagues, and some of those guys would have success. It's impossible to always make the right decision, and that is a painful realization that drives me to agonize over every decision.
Luhnow has been interviewed by other Cardinals' fan blogs, like this 2008 interview in Future Redbirds. Although this answer follows from a question about a specific prospect, I think the general comment about drafting "sexy players" is noteworthy:
If we wanted a "sexy" pick, we would read Baseball America, read Keith Law’s articles, and pick based on their opinions. But we don’t, and neither do any other clubs, because while the journalists are doing a good job of expressing their opinions based on the information they have, we have to live and die with our selections and the future of the organization is impacted by these picks. If the journalist is wrong, he just admits it (maybe) and keeps writing about the next guy or the next draft. They will still sell papers or get eyeballs. If we are wrong, we’ve missed a huge opportunity to make our organization better, and nobody wants to do that.
One of the more interesting blog interactions was brought up at the Baseball Think Factory (BBTF) thread related to the Astros' hiring of Luhnow. A commenter remembered and linked this March 31, 2004 thread from deep within BBTF's archives. As stated in that 2004 thread, Luhnow asked bloggers at Redbird Nation to discuss how much the Cardinals should be willing to pay their shortstop Edgar Renteria, who would be a free agent. (Renteria ended up signing a big contract with the Red Sox.) Many Cardinals fans wanted Renteria to be re-signed, and perhaps Luhnow was interested in getting the well informed fans to think more objectively about Renteria's value. It's interesting that comment no. 49 on the archived BBTF thread purports to be a comment from Luhnow, even though it is unknown whether the identity is real or not (apparently this was before BBTF had a registration process).
Oh, and by the way, Luhnow uses twitter. Here is his twitter link.
Are you glad that the Astros have a GM who recognizes the value of baseball blogs?
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You missed the important point
We know TCB is the best Astros blog site around. So what can we do to really grab his attention? It would be nice to help serve as the voice of the fans.
I applied for his job the day before he was hired.
I didn’t name the site though because I didn’t think the rest of you wanted to associated with the absurdity that I mailed off. If the old astro bosses were aware of the site then the new ones are too.
No I am not happy that he recognizes the value of blogs.
I want my front office to be soulless villains for me to make fun of. I want them to be smug know-it-alls who stubbornly stick to their guns long after ship has gone down.
Not to derail the convo...
This is about Lunhow, I promise. This from MLB Rumors:
Former Mets General Manager Steve Phillips likes the Astros’ hire of Jeff Luhnow as GM and believes that he understands how to operate a small market team, writes Stephen Goff of Examiner.com.
Seriously, Steve? The Astros are a small market team? In the 3rd/4th largest city in the United States? I guess this is why Lunhow is a GM and Phillips no longer is.
Amusingly,
I was told by a Sacramento Kings fan the other day that “small market teams like ours should stick together.”
Funny joke. Ha ha.
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt
And say, maybe he just meant that the Astros will be operating like a small market team for a little while.
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That's how I'm taking it..
Surely Phillips is an idiot, but can’t be that dumb to call Houston a small market team.
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by ccislanders on Dec 12, 2011 11:03 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I like the fact that Luhnow is involved in the blogosphere and fans opinions as much as it appears he is.
I liked the answers you quoted from him as well. Its definitely apparent that he gave more than just a courtesy appearance.
The more I hear about Luhnow the more I like him as the new GM.
by conroestro on Dec 12, 2011 9:36 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I'm not sure how to take this, I don't really like the idea of listening to fans opinions...
…but I hope he takes into account that TCB has some pretty awesome analysis.
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by ccislanders on Dec 12, 2011 11:08 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I think I understand your feeling, and I would be concerned if the front office was reacting to fanboy type comments. But Luhnow’s interactions seemed to be with the analytical and prospect oriented blogs, where the fans engage in more serious discussion than the typical fan blogs. If you are a team executive who is instituting new analytic methods for team decisions, it probably makes sense to encourage/promote fan blogs which have a similar perspective on evaluating players. It helps create more understanding among fans on why the team is doing what it is doing.
Didn’t one of the Dodgers front office admin also do something similar to this in regards to social media.
by conroestro on Dec 12, 2011 11:13 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I don’t know about the Dodgers’ situation. When DePodesta (who was a former Dodgers’ GM) was asst. GM of the Padres a couple of years ago, he wrote a blog and responded to commenters on the blog. Maybe that is what you are think about.
As far as social media, I think Alyson Footer may have been at the forefront of teams’ involvement with twitter and the like. And, just scanning Luhnow’s “follow” list, it appears that there are other GMs and team executives who have twitter accounts.
What struck me about Luhnow is that he was interacting with blogs 6 or 7 years ago when it was unconventional to do so. Billy Beane is the only team executive I can think of who was doing that in the early or mid- 2000’s. I think it reflects positively on his open mindedness and willingness to be on the cutting edge, so to speak.
Depodesta is who I was thinking about.
by conroestro on Dec 12, 2011 2:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
luchnow....
well, good… i think right now astros should avoid adding anyone…by free agency…astros look good heading into the spring training… questions are wandy and myers..and clee….if we trade them just be sure to get a bunch in return..or do not do it…wandy and myers are actually young pitchers…but, we have a bunch of top prospects in both minors and majors…rule 5 ss from cub system is very significant move…he is probably major league ready and this gives us time to wait for villar…. pitcher we got looks promising also…we have some pretty good bullpen pitchers … i still say… use spring training to harden up a starting lineup…and pitching staff…etc.. then go into the season with confidence, expecting to win… stop all this waiting and future talk…go out and compete now… give it a few months..2 or 3… see how we do…at that pt maybe do some more shuffling…lets see how we do… BRAUN IS A STEROID USER…WHAT PROFILE… HE TESTED POS. magnus
Bill James
In one of his books Bill James mentions that he was in an APBA league, or maybe it was Strat-O-Matic, but I think it was APBA. Anyway, he says he spent a lot of time trying to figure out how to win his league, and one thing led to another. Not fantasy but definitely some game interest.
This sucks...
Aramis Ramirez signed a 3yr deal with the Brew-crew. Don’t know if he’s worth what he signed, but we’ll see.
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by ccislanders on Dec 12, 2011 5:30 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Yes, he is, I was hoping he would sign with an AL team, then we were moved their.
Then I was hoping he’d move to the NL west, not east. My heart dropped when I heard about this news.
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by ccislanders on Dec 12, 2011 7:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Jeff Luhnow has become my role model.
Right before my AP Chem class started today, I asked myself what Jeff Luhnow would do to learn the information better. Then I did exactly what I thought he would do, and it worked. I stared at my teacher in the eyes, and acted as if my teacher and I were having a personal conversation. Not only writing down the notes, but keeping my brain focused on the topic at hand. I understood the topic much better than I would have if I continued my old ways.
And then I asked myself what Jeff Luhnow would do if he was me. Luhnow can speak spanish fluently. Would he take Spanish IV next year? I then realized that a lot of people aren’t bilingual, and that if I wanted to gain a competitive advantage in the world, learning how to speak Spanish fluently is a good place to start. Look at where it got Luhnow.
I also plan to ask myself what Luhnow would do if he had a Pre-Cal test tomorrow and he didn’t know how to solve some of the problems on it. Maybe he would be studying or calling upon his friends for help and wouldn’t be typing this right now.
I think finding a role model has helped saved me from disaster. Maybe some of you guys could benefit from finding a role model. Whenever you’re in a sticky situation, ask one of your personal role models who you can relate with and ask them what they would do. It might just save you from making a bad decision.
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
by BustaPozee on Dec 12, 2011 6:44 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Sorry if this is off topic. But Luhnow is avant-garde, hip, and cool; He’s just the kind of person I could model myself after. And I just wanted to share how something as simple as his hiring as Astros GM has affected my life.
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
by BustaPozee on Dec 12, 2011 6:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Ya, I'm worried about you...
…but you seem like an intresting person, at least your mind seems like that.
Is this one of your moments?
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by ccislanders on Dec 12, 2011 7:31 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, this is one of my moments.
And why are y’all worried about me?
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
I think they were being facetious :)
I thought it was a worthwhile post.
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by Patrick Harrel on Dec 12, 2011 7:54 PM CST up reply actions
sorry, just teasing you. Forgot this >/sarcasm.
But ya, I completely understand what your saying about luring a role model. But, why don’t you use someone else? Like Rick Perry (JK!!!). Seriously though, maybe a foundimg father, or something.
Why Lunhow?
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by ccislanders on Dec 12, 2011 8:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Why not Luhnow? He is the perfect example of the type of person I want to be. If you watched his press conference, the way the words came out of his mouth just flowed so beautifully and totally described the point he was trying to make. Astute, but descriptive enough, but not repetitively boring or cliché like. His speech just had the perfect elements in it.
Not to mention all of the other qualities he has as a person.
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
Plus, I can relate to him
You can’t exactly relate your life to somebody like Aristotle or Pythagoras. They are people you can admire, but can’t exactly relate to.
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
Completely understand. I was just wondering...
I didn’t get to see the press conference, but I’ll check it out tonight.
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by ccislanders on Dec 12, 2011 9:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Worried because I think you might be insane.
Luckily, insanity is a disease that meets with my approval. Keep up the good work.
"What would Busta Do?"
This is funny.
I think i’ll make you my role model busta.
My new motto: “WWBD”
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by chilam balam on Dec 12, 2011 8:15 PM CST up reply actions
Seriously.
I like that he reads blogs, I just hope he knows to avoid the chron blogs.
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