TCB at the Movies: The Sequel
David and I finally saw Moneyball yesterday. Before the movie came out, David promised--perhaps a bit unwisely--that if I would go with him to see that movie, he would go with me to see any movie I want. That's probably a deal he didn't need to make considering the movie stars Brad Pitt, but I'll take it.
Moneyball, based on the Michael Lewis book of the same name, chronicles the efforts of Oakland A's General Manager, Billy Beane (played by Pitt), to change the way MLB evaluates players, shifting to a more statistical analysis rather than who looks a certain way or who are fan favorites. TCB has already posted a review of the movie, which can be read here.
I agree with some of Tim and other commentators that there are awkward interactions between Billy Beane and the movie's other characters, including the fictional Peter Brand (Jonah Hill) and Art Howe (Philip Seymour Hoffman). I think those awkward moments added to the movie. The movie was uncomfortable at times because it dealt with uncomfortable moments. People's jobs were on the line. As the review says, much of the movie was fictionalized or condensed. (I heard all about it on the ride home with David.) Such is the case with movies based on historical events.
The movie deals with the best method to field a team. Which is better--the old school method of scouting and going after big names or the revolutionary method of using statistics? Ultimately, the answer is to utilize both, but that's out of the purview of the movie. Rather, Moneyball triumphs the use of statistics. Critics of statistical analysis in baseball claimed that this dehumanized the game.
Actually, the statistical analysis of play adds to the human drama. There are humans behind those stats.
This is clear with players like Scott Hatteberg (Chris Pratt) and David Justice (Stephen Bishop). We first see Hatteberg silently sitting in his living room surrounded by Christmas lights, probably pondering his seemingly career-ending injury. Enter Beane and an offer to join Oakland with the caveat that he'll have play an entirely new position. Beane wants Hatteberg because of his ability to get on base, foreshadowing Hatteberg's role in helping the A's create a record-breaking winning streak.
Justice was a popular player but was considered by many to be past his prime and on the decline. Justice has to come to terms with the fact that he's not the player he once was, but Beane assures him that they want him for the player he was at the moment, not the player he was in his youth. Justice is encouraged to be a leader on the team.
And then there's Beane himself, who recognizes that as a player he himself wouldn't have been an attractive player using his own methods. And, his methods don't lead to winning the last game of the season (a championship) for Oakland. But, he did field a great team on a limited budget, and his methods were embraced by other teams. His methodology did get a high paying job offer from the Red Sox.
On some level, as a viewer, I wanted the happy ending where Beane got the dream job and then goes on to win his championship using the methodology he espoused. But, he turned the job down to remain closer to his daughter (and for other reasons not covered by the movie, which I also heard about in the car ride home...it was a long trip). And this was an okay resolution too. Beane stays with the As (a team he clearly wants to win with) while remaining a short trip away from the daughter he adores. Sports movies often have a family element, but they usually involve a nuclear family with a wife (who could move cross-country without concern for custody arrangements).
There's human drama behind those stats!
Overall, Moneyball was a good movie with some laugh-out-loud moments. It got me to think about certain elements of baseball. I am typically more of a football movie fan, but I am warming to the idea of seeing more baseball movies.
So, I have two questions for TCB readers.
One--what baseball movies would you suggest I see?
And two--what movie should I make David go see with me? I'm thinking the new Twilight movie. A deal's a deal.
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There are lots of baseball movies worth watching. If you haven’t seen “League of Their Own” about the women’s professional baseball league during WWII, I’m sure you will like it. It has Madonna, Tom Hanks, and Geena Davis, among others, in it. It also has an Astros connection—-Casey Candaele was a scrappy utility infielder for the Astros at the time the movie was released. His mother was one of the stars in the league, and his brother wrote the screenplay.
If you want to make David pay for his bet, I suppose you need to make him watch a chick flick. But I’m not sure which movie of that type is currently playing at the theatres. The movies I have seen recently: Tower Heist; Ides of March; Crazy Stupid Love. I like “Crazy Stupid Love” (with Steve Carell) the best, but I doubt that it is still playing anywhere, but it hasn’t made it to video yet. Ides of March is a good political suspense story. Tower Heist isn’t a great movie, but I liked it, if no other reason than it puts Ben Stiller and Eddie Murphy in the same movie.
Bull Durham and Field of Dreams and maybe Major League for baseball movies
I never saw The Natural but it sure is referenced a lot.
haven’t been to a theater is a long time. but get DVD of
“King of Hearts "
or “Three Stories of Galicia”
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Nov 6, 2011 4:29 PM CST reply actions
Three Stories of Galicia is a documetary
and thus may not count as a “movie”
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Nov 6, 2011 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
It’s a tough choice, but I think “The Natural” is the best baseball movie. Bull Durham, Field of Dreams, and Eight Men Out (about the Black Sox scandal) are all great classics to see.
If you can find it out there..Long Gone is an awesome movie to see. Set in minor leagues
in the 50s or 60s and features William Peterson (CSI), Virginia Madsen, Dermot Mulroney, and Teller of Penn and Teller fame (He actually speaks in the movie).
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
I thought Teller was a mute?
If he speaks, I might have to watch it just for that
lol... No thats just his part of their schtick..
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
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by Timothy De Block on Nov 6, 2011 4:40 PM CST reply actions
This makes me want to see Moneyball again...
I liked it the first time but I thought it was a bit overhyped. I think watching it a second time, I might understand/appreciate it more.
Really, there isn’t a baseball movie that I’ve seen that I didn’t like. Major League (1,2,and 3), Sandlot, Little Big League, Eight Men Out, A League of Their Own, Field of Dreams, Angels in the Outfield, Bull Durham, 61*, Fever Pitch, Mr. Baseball, Summer Catch, and now Moneyball. I’ve seen them all and I own most of them and each one reinspires my enthusiasm for baseball everytime I watch it.
by Its Gonna Happen on Nov 6, 2011 5:47 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Have you tried “The Scout?”
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by Timothy De Block on Nov 6, 2011 6:00 PM CST up reply actions
I remember seeing parts of it a LONG time ago
But really all I really remember was Brendan Fraser as a pitcher and he was too shy to pitch in front of a crowd or something. Was it good?
by Its Gonna Happen on Nov 6, 2011 6:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Have you seen "The Rookie"?
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
That's Rookie of the Year.
The Rookie is from a few years ago, and it stars Dennis Quaid. I think it was based on a true story too.
YES!
Forgot about that one. Very good movie and it is based on a true story.
by Its Gonna Happen on Nov 7, 2011 3:30 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
My uncle Blue Deckert was in The Rookie. Great movie, up there with all the great baseball movies.
by Snake Diggity on Nov 7, 2011 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
Egonomoics
Its the age old question of humanity versus statistic
moneyball/c lee
need to see the movie… everyone i know who has says it is very good…..
re carlos lee… i do not agree that he is a bad defensive player…he plays left field smartly..knows where to be…handles the minutemaid wall well… and he was suprisingly competent at first base… i think in 2012… astros keep clee at lb 80 percent of time…play all the prospects … firm up the lineup more than it was last yr…see what happens…. 94 rbi…18 hrs…276 avg… not many players are better…and when astros started rebuilding, lee picked up his game… we might be good… if astros turn out to be in the race after 2 or 3 months…add a piece or two…if not continue rebuild… i dont see pt of adding players that hit .205 … of what use are they? if barmes does not sign..move villar into spring training as starter and see how he does…if we are rebuilding, then rebuild….mike

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