Clint Barmes and Other Astros Shortstop Options
So what has changed this offseason that has now made Clint Barmes a long shot to be re-signed?
One factor affecting the decision that has not so much changed since the trade-deadline but more or less remained the same is the fact that the sale of the Houston Astros from Drayton Mclane to Jim Crane has still not been approved by MLB. Until this occurs, assuming Crane is in fact approved, we can only guess as to what type of budget Crane will allot Wade for free agency. The fact that Ed Wade indicated in the article that he does not expect to be big players in the free agent market and also hints that Barmes may be out of the Astros price range does not leave room for much hope for offseason acquisitions. This also assumes that once the sale is approved Wade will still be the person that is making the offseason decisions for the Astros.
Another interesting development that may have played a role in re-signing Barmes is the fact that he will be a Type B free agent this offseason. This means that if the Astros offer Barmes arbitration and he chooses to sign elsewhere then the Astros will receive a compensation round draft pick in next year’s amateur draft. Wade stated that he thinks the best plan of action was to continue the rebuilding process that was started when Roy Oswalt and Lance Berkman were traded, and was continued this past season with the Hunter Pence and Michael Bourn trades. An extra draft pick in next year’s draft could help that process, and could also potentially lead to a better prospect than what could have been received had the Astros chosen to trade the defensively oriented shortstop as a half-season rental.
Who are some of the other viable candidates out there should the Astros explore the free agent shortstop market?
Assuming that Brian Bixler is depth or a utility infielder this season there are other free agent options out there that could still be interesting acquisitions. By choosing one of the lesser tier shortstop free agents Ed Wade could essentially solve both issues listed above by signing a more cost effective shortstop for next season while also receiving the compensation round draft pick due to Clint Barmes departure. Below is a look at some of the more intriguing shortstop free agents offensive and defensive statistics that could fit the Astros financial needs:
| Player | Year | AVG | OBP | SLG | BABIP | BB% | K% | 2011 Salary |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Ronny Cedeno | 2011 | .249 | .297 | .339 | .313 | 6.6% | 20.5% | $2.05 Million |
| Career | .246 | .286 | .353 | .297 | 5% | 19.8% | ||
| Ramon Santiago | 2011 | .260 | .311 | .384 | .283 | 5.8% | 12.9% | $1.25 Million |
| Career | .249 | .316 | .342 | .286 | 6.6% | 14.9% | ||
| Jerry Hairston Jr. | 2011 | .270 | .344 | .383 | .301 | 8.8% | 12.2% | $2 Million |
| Career | .258 | .326 | .371 | .282 | 7.5% | 11.7% | ||
| Jamey Carroll | 2011 | .290 | .359 | .347 | .332 | 9.2% | 11.4% | $1.8 Million |
| Career | .278 | .356 | .348 | .325 | 9.9% | 13.9% | ||
| Alex Gonzalez | 2011 | .241 | .270 | .372 | .285 | 3.7% | 21.2% | $2.5 Million |
| Career | .247 | .291 | .399 | .282 | 4.8% | 18.7% | ||
| Angel Sanchez | 2011 | .240 | .305 | .285 | .278 | 8.2% | 13.4% | $.432 Million | Career | .255 | .304 | .308 | .302 | 6.1% | 14.8% | Brian Bixler | 2011 | .205 | .267 | .265 | .266 | 7.4% | 20.2% | League Minimum | Career | .187 | .248 | .247 | .286 | 5.8% | 31.2% |
Both Angel Sanchez and Brian Bixler were listed in the chart for comparison purposes. Angel Sanchez had the lowest batting average of all the guys listed in 2011, but also had a batting average on balls in play 22 points lower than his career totals. Sanchez also had the lowest slugging percentage out of the group. Brian Bixler’s stat’s were listed, but due to the fact that he has only had 260 major league at-bats his offensive production is tough to gage at this point.
| Player | Season | Defensive Chances (SS) | Errors | Fielding % | DRS | UZR |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Ronny Cedeno | 2011 | 601 | 13 | .978 | 8 | 5.9 |
| Ramon Santiago | 2011 | 117 | 2 | .983 | 2 | 1.8 |
| Jerry Hairston Jr. | 2011 | 3 | 0 | 1.000 | 1 | 0.2 |
| Jamey Carroll | 2011 | 214 | 4 | .981 | -5 | -1.9 |
| Alex Gonzalez | 2011 | 633 | 12 | .981 | 15 | -0.3 |
| Angel Sanchez | 2011 | 194 | 7 | .964 | -3 | -1.7 |
| Brian Bixler | 2011 | 5 | 0 | 1.000 | -2 | -0.8 |
So to tie all of this together it looks like Ed Wade and the Astros have decided at least for now that Clint Barmes will be out of their price range. Wade also said that he does not expect to be major players in the free agent market, but did not necessarily rule out low key acquisitions. Should he choose to replace Barmes via free agency then guys like Jerry Hairston Jr., Ronny Cedeno, Ramon Santiago, Jamey Carroll, and Alex Gonzalez all make the case to be intriguing stopgap choices. If the Astros chose to go with their in-house options then Brian Bixler may be the better option based on the fact that he has a better minor league track record than Angel Sanchez. In a perfect world it would be nice to see one of the other free agents on this list holding down the position over the incumbent options, but budget constraints could keep that from being the case.
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Clint Barmes played himself off of our team? I can agree with that. Clint was a great SS for us this year and I wish the best for him (when he’s not playing against us). That being said…WE GET AN EXTRA PICK!!! WHOOOOPPPPPEEEEEEEE!!!!! More prospects! Maybe our front office has learned from their draft mistakes?, or maybe we’ll have a new front office?!
With a new front office would we have to relive the same growing pains in drafting? “Apparently strong players that run really fast also have to be good at baseball in order for us to draft them as high…”
by Its Gonna Happen on Nov 6, 2011 2:16 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
I wouldn’t mind if Barmes did accept arbitration. That would mean he would get a moderate raise and a 1 year deal.
I’m sure he could probably make more on the open market than what he could in arbitration, but like you said who knows.
by conroestro on Nov 6, 2011 8:54 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Good breakdown of bad shortstops
I’ve already registered my distaste for signing Cedeno, and I think his defensive stats in the table above are misleading. He’s got a career -1.6 UZR. So either he had a flukey 2011, or he suddenly learned how to improve his range at the position.
In case anybody cares, Oswaldo Navarro and Anderson Hernandez are even far worse defensively than everybody listed above, with UZR’s listed around -10,938,590,123 (which is pretty bad). Brandon Wikoff is in AAA…he’s not real exciting but it looks like he can draw a walk or three. Has anybody read a scouting report on his defense at AAA? The Astros could also take a quick look at Wladimir Sutil in the spring too.
In other words, with nobody stepping up at any high minor league level, nobody standing out from the free agent crowd, and nobody on the active roster who deserves to be handed the job…there should be an open tryout in Spring Training where the guy with the best defense wins.
Having seen Wikoff here in Corpus the kid has a pretty decent glove on him. He played
every here in Corpus and flashed the glove at each position. He has decent range and decent arm to go along with it. He kind of reminds me of Dickie Thon a little.
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
Hope to see him in the spring then. Goodness knows he deserves the shot as much as anybody else who will be there.
Wikoff
He probably is a safe bet to see some time in the majors at some point this season. I don’t know that much about him other than hearing that he has a ceiling as a Jeff Keppinger type hitter.
by conroestro on Nov 6, 2011 7:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
What about Nick Punto? Now that guy can play some defense. Sure, he can’t hit, but neither can any of the other people mentioned. Best of all, he only made $0.750M last season and can probably be had for around $1 to $1.2 M.
He had one of the best offensive years of his career last season. And, sure, it may be (probably) a fluke, but that fluke could cause teams to bid up his salary. I think the Cardinals probably will want to bring him back. I agree that he isn’t a terrible idea if you can get him that cheaply, but I suspect that the career year and playoff performance may lead teams to overpay for him.
I forgot about Punto. He could be another decent option as well.
by conroestro on Nov 6, 2011 9:02 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I like Jerry Hairston, Jr., but he is more of a utility player, and there is a risk putting him at shortstop as a starter. But he did perform well playing a lot of shortstop for the Padres in 2010.
Alex Gonzalez probably is the most similar to Barmes. He will give you good defense, and on offense, mostly likely you get a low batting average hitter with some occasional HR power.
Those two would be my preference from this group, but they are also the type of player that a good team will want for their bench. So, why would they sign with the Astros? Because they want to start? Maybe. But I wouldn’t count on it.
If Cedeno came at a cheap price, I wouldn’t mind signing him, I suppose. He was a very good shortstop prospect when he was young, and he is the youngest of this group.
I liked Cedeno. He doesn’t do much offensively, and would be a downgrade from Barmes defensively but being younger would be a good thing for the Astros. After him I like Alex Gonzalez.
by conroestro on Nov 6, 2011 9:05 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Also, I forgot to mention Jack Wilson. I think he is still a pretty good defender at shortstop, but his offense is weak (like most of the candidates). The fact that he is a Houston guy perhaps makes it more likely he would want to come here. My recollection is that he hits well at MMP.
(looking it up)
In 234 at bats at MMP, his slash line: .293, .323, .500, .823.
Those are some nice tables.
How do you make them so nice?
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
Im wishing we had Tommy Manzella, even though he's a terrible hitter, he'd still be better than what we have now
If i were Arnold Rothstein id pay Ryan Braun all the money he
wants to stop going on homer streaks against the poor Astros....
am i the only one?
by ccislanders on Nov 6, 2011 9:43 AM CST via mobile reply actions
That’s true. I forgot about Manzella already, but I was hoping he would have got the reps at the start of last year while Barmes was out instead of Sanchez. If Manzella was here then he would be my favorite in-house option.
What is Manzella’s status anyways.
by conroestro on Nov 6, 2011 10:04 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I like Jack WIlson and Carrol. But you missed the following names. Couldn’t these all be potential candidates as well and are free agents? Some of these name look intriguing.
Yuniesky Betancourt, Cesar Izturis, Edgar Renteria and Willie Bloomquist.
Yeah I probably should have included all of those guys as well. I was looking at guys who got about 300 at-bats, but Jack Wilson would have been a good one. I did research everyone you listed, just forgot to include Blomquist. I figured Betancourt would be in the Barmes price range, and I think Renteria is better suited for 3rd.
by conroestro on Nov 6, 2011 1:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Fangraphs Crowd Sourcing
Fangraphs has its readers’ guesses of average salaries. Here are the annual average salary and contract length estimates for the listed shortstops (excluding the higher paid targets like Reyes, Rollins, and Furcal).
Name/Annual Salary/Years
Carroll/$4 mil/ 1.6
Hairston/$3.7 mil/1.5
Punto/$3.1 mil/1.4
Barmes/$4.4 mil./1.8
One thing that strikes me is that difference in expected salary between Barmes and these FA candidates is not very large.
Which might mean
Astros might as well go for Barmes
or
Astros won’t go for those other guys either
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Nov 6, 2011 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
Why not save the 1.3mil between Barmes and Punto
Get a sandwich pick when Barmes signs with another team… take an overslot player with the pick, and use some of that 1.3mil to sign them.
It is not like we are going to be respectable this season anyway… and if Punto does well, trade him at the deadline.
or a little of that 1.3 on multiple
over-slot players.
of course you are probably right and we should probably just avoid going for any of those guys.
This will be a pretty important draft this year for the Astros, so an extra early pick would be nice.
by conroestro on Nov 7, 2011 3:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe its the multi year deal that has Wade thinking he can’t compete with other teams for Barmes.
by conroestro on Nov 6, 2011 2:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
None of those are too much to pay for a good defensive shortstop, even for a rebuilding team. I mean, the Astros paid more for Pedro Feliz, after all.
The Astros need a proven leader.
Try to re-sign him, Wade!
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
That is true. None of those shortstops vary that much in expected salary. It would really be nice to see the Astros pick up one of those guys.
by conroestro on Nov 6, 2011 5:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Clint Barmes is a festering piece of rotten crap oozing from the pores of a thousand infected men.
You don’t want him, 29 other major league teams. Trust me, you DON’T.
*I hope this is enough for other teams to back off from signing Barmes. That way we can keep him!
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
Worth a shot to give scare tactics a shot.
by conroestro on Nov 6, 2011 5:39 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
i hear he's addicted to strip clubs and meth...
by lawson3 on Nov 6, 2011 7:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
That stuff mixed with deer meat could be trouble.
by conroestro on Nov 6, 2011 8:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Oh and a couple other names I would consider adding to the list are
Cesar Izturis SS
Munenori Kawasaki SS
I only consider either an option because of how bad we will likely be and because if nothing else a defensive player will make our pitchers look better (trade value).
Of course if the price tag is similar to Punto or Santiago… or even Cedeno then you might as well go with them instead.

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