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Jim Crane Fires GM Ed Wade, President Tal Smith

It's official. The Houston Astros, through new CEO George Postolos, informed general manager Ed Wade and team president for baseball operations Tal Smith that they will no longer be a part of the team Sunday night. 

We expected this might happen when Crane hinted that changes would be coming after Thanksgiving, but I didn't really believe it until I saw it. Now, it looks like the Astros will have a new decision-making set very soon.

No word in all the mix on whether or not Bobby Heck will keep his job. I'm guessing he might stay on until a new GM is put in place, thereby letting the new guy pick his own scouting director. Of course, they could make a clean sweep, meet with all the baseball operations people and entirely clean house.

This may be hasty. This may be not be fair to Ed Wade, given the direction he was under from Drayton McLane during his tenure and the rotten state of the farm system when he took over. However, it does show a sense of purpose by Crane. He knows what he wants and how he wants to move forward.

All we're left with now is how he will go about moving forward. We know George Postolos will be involved in the decision as the team's new CEO. We know he's been interested in Andrew Friedman all summer and we know he's fascinated by the Texas Rangers system since he almost bought the team.

Winter is coming. I mean, the Winter Meetings are coming. The Astros need someone running the show then,but it will likely be interim GM David Gottfried. If that's the case, I don't expect Houston to do much of anything, outside possibly taking a flier on a Rule 5 guy or two. Forget about a possible Wandy Rodriguez trade for now. Forget about any lower level free agent signings. All that will wait.

The question is: does this move Crane in the path towards fixing fan's feelings towards the team? Back in May, I wrote an open letter to him about the team. So far, he's promised or done almost everything I've seen. He's set to lower ticket prices. He better keep Alyson Footer around. He's going to clean house on the baseball side and look into a possible uniform and logo change for the switch to the American League. That's a clean sweep for changing the luck of a foundering franchise.

Is that enough for you? Do you wish Wade and Tal had been given a fair shake? Do you think Crane acted too harshly? More importantly, are you upset that MLB's delay of Crane's confirmation meant Wade's firing came months after it could have happened?

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The delay was definitely frustrating. I don’t know how much of a difference it would have made in the main trades and decisions this past offseason, but it would have been nice to know the direction a long time ago.

by conroestro on Nov 28, 2011 12:45 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

been a long time coming

As far as tal is concerned. I think maybe firing wade was a bit premature. I don’t want a lateral move at gm. I want a name for chrissake. I feel it’s probably too late for friedman, which sux. I think it could’ve waited a year

by HTown80 on Nov 28, 2011 12:46 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

OH HAPPY DAY!!!!!`

Get your sorry old Fro wearing ass outta here Tal Smith! And take your stupid Hill with you!

by YohannDookeyblue on Nov 28, 2011 1:01 AM CST reply actions  

Overall, I like the move

I think Ed Wade has been a better GM than he’s been given credit for by most baseball analysts, but I still think he’s no better than average, and I certainly applaud Crane for not settling for average.

Still, I think there’s a job for Ed Wade out there in an MLB front office, if not as GM, then at least as assistant GM or some other job fairly high up in an organization, and I wish him the best of luck.

As for Tal Smith, my glimpses at the front office from a fan perspective leave me the impression that he was a cancer on the baseball operations, and I am thrilled to see him depart.

Overall, I’m glad to see this first sign that Crane has a clear direction in mind for the team and is prepared to pursue it.

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by OremLK on Nov 28, 2011 2:22 AM CST reply actions  

I wonder ...

…if this is about making the team better, or just a new owner placing his “stamp” on things. It happens in every type of business – new owner or boss, new “way”. I certainly hope he has the team’s and city’s best intentions in mind – and not his own. Houston certainly deserves an above-average product.

by bones_boy on Nov 28, 2011 2:38 AM CST reply actions  

It had to be done. Especially with the putrid season we just endured.

Personally, I have always felt that Wade was taking the long view toward rebuilding, and I sort of admired it since I knew that a weak farm system would be death to a mid-level payroll team. I also knew that the suffering the fans would endure while such a strategy was implemented might mean he wouldn’t make it to fruition.

A new owner has to send a message of renewal after a season like the last one. I don’t think there was ever a choice. Interesting he didn’t can Mills too. Perhaps he sees Mills as being handcuffed with that roster.

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by Christopher H on Nov 28, 2011 3:20 AM CST reply actions  

Its a shame

Wade was unsuccesful to say the least, but how much of that is due to the former owner? I would have been interested to see what he could do with an owner in his corner.

I think when Wade came in he informed Mclane that it was going to take a lot of retooling and a long time before the Astros were going to be competitive again. That’s probably when Dra called it quits with the team and started trading away the big contracts slowly but surely and cutting payroll. Now we’re stuck with the worst record in baseball, but who’s really to blame, Dra? Wade? Purpura?

by Its Gonna Happen on Nov 28, 2011 4:09 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Great. Gotta let a loser lose.

My first mistake was assuming you knew what I was talking about.

by Shamus on Nov 28, 2011 4:17 AM CST reply actions  

Not sure I understand the timing.

I mean, Smith absolutely had to go. But what’s the point this late in the game of clearing house? Stealing away Friedman is a long-shot unless Crane’s really willing to wag some money at him. Other than him, though, who’s left at this point that would be an upgrade over Wade?

by Mr. Imperial on Nov 28, 2011 7:14 AM CST reply actions  

though...

I wonder if Hunsicker could be swayed back…

by Mr. Imperial on Nov 28, 2011 7:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

"In the biographies of men and nations, success often arrives in a mask of failure"

by hunterpencefan on Nov 28, 2011 7:47 AM CST reply actions  

FoxSports talks to Tal Smith, who isn’t happy. Postolos telephoned Smith before he boarded a flight home from Hawaii and informed him of the dismissal. Smith said that Postolos apologized for the media speculation, which seems to have prompted the Sunday night phone calls.

by clack on Nov 28, 2011 7:50 AM CST reply actions  

In Talk Smith’s case he had to know this was coming for a while since George was named by Crane a long time ago.

by conroestro on Nov 28, 2011 8:04 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Though that seems obvious to most of us, apparently not to Tal Smith. He said he really wanted to talk with Crane about his role with the club.

By the way, as Joe in Birmingham noted in the other thread, Postolos’ title is different than Smith’s. Smith is President of Baseball Operations and Postolos is President of the Astros.

by clack on Nov 28, 2011 8:32 AM CST up reply actions  

I see. I didn’t catch the difference in titles between the two.

by conroestro on Nov 28, 2011 8:35 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

If the Astros wanted to attract a “big name” like Friedman, they probably have to offer him the President of Baseball Operations title.

by clack on Nov 28, 2011 8:37 AM CST up reply actions  

It was time for a change.

I think Wade did reasonably well as GM during his short tenure, considering all the constraints he was working under. But, the time is right for him to leave. New owner, new direction.

I’ve never been much of a Tal Smith fan, but I respect the fact that he’s been a part of the organization for decades. If anything, we may start losing more arbitration cases now that he’s gone.

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by Stupendous Man on Nov 28, 2011 7:59 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

I see this as interesting, but ultimately inconclusive.

Given the strictures Wade was working under, we’ll never really know if he could have righted the ship or not. I do feel like it was necessary to clean house though, if only to appease the casual fans who lay all the blame of a crumbling franchise unjustly at the feet of the GM.

I’m not familiar enough with how many fingerprints Tal Smith actually had on the franchise to comment on his dismissal either way.

Regardless, now we have new talking points around here, woohoo!

by CRPerry13 on Nov 28, 2011 8:07 AM CST reply actions  

new GM

do you think theyd just fire Ed Wade without already being in talks/near a deal with a new GM? Maybe Andrew Friedman was in Houston for happy thanksgiving??? That’d be nice.

by GhostOfGlennDavis on Nov 28, 2011 8:13 AM CST reply actions  

I don’t think they can talk to the candidates without formally getting the other teams’ permission. I doubt that they got that permission over the Thanksgiving weekend. But it would be nice if Friedman would agree to be the Astros’ GM.

by clack on Nov 28, 2011 8:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, Friedman is definitely our best case scenario.

by conroestro on Nov 28, 2011 8:45 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Chron.com article reflects more Tal Smith bitterness...

Story here. Maybe David should change the title of this TCB post. Smith takes offense that people would frame this as a “retirement.” He said he has never said he wanted to retire.

by clack on Nov 28, 2011 9:02 AM CST reply actions  

Indifference is what I'm feeling.

Ed Wade gone? I don’t really have a strong opinion on it either way.

I honestly think he did about the best job he could do with the conditions he was presented with. The minor league system was barren of talent and the roster was full of aging vets when he took over. During his tenure, he’s placed emphasis on the draft—even if the draft picks haven’t always worked out—and has been responsible for making the team much younger.

As far as trades and signings go, he whiffed on a few (signing Kaz Matsui and Brandon Lyon, the Oswalt trade), but he also made some pretty savvy moves (acquring Keppinger and Lindstrom, the Berkman trade, the Pence trade). I’d argue that there’s more of the latter.

At the end of the day am I sad Wade is gone? Not really. I think he’s an average GM at best and, honestly, being the GM of the worst team in baseball (and during an ownership change), you could see that the writing was on the wall for him.

by ToyCannon on Nov 28, 2011 9:29 AM CST reply actions  

Remember who got Bourn in the first place?

Ed Wade.

At the time of that trade, everyone was calling this a VERY one-sided deal since Lidge (even though he had a subpar 2007) was considered a premier closer and the best part of the return (Bourn) wasn’t anything more than a prospect struggling at the MLB level.

Of course, as history has shown, that deal has gone from being very pro-Phillies to even for both teams.

The point I’m trying to make is that you can argue until you’re blue in the face about what potential deal for Bourn last summer was best, but until we see what happens with the prospects the Astros received from the Braves, it’s really premature to say they “got hosed” just yet.

by ToyCannon on Nov 28, 2011 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

I’m glad Tal Smith is gone, but I remain a Wade apologist. If you go back and review his trade, waiver, and player development history, he’s been very, very good. It’s his free agency signings that have brought him down. Unfortunately, I think he was a victim of circumstance, both during his employment (being forced to try and compete with an aging roster, limited payroll flexibility, and empty farm) and his firing (new ownership wanting their own people regardless of the current regime’s performance).

I think there’s a good chance that Wade could find himself in a similar situtation to when he was ousted in Philly; once Houston is a winner, we may look back and see that the WS roster was largely built by Wade and Heck.

by Snake Diggity on Nov 28, 2011 10:15 AM CST reply actions  

I would bet that Wade can get a job as an advisor to the Phillies.

by clack on Nov 28, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Do you want him back?

Then why do you defend Wade?

My first mistake was assuming you knew what I was talking about.

by Shamus on Nov 28, 2011 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

“He turned this into the worst team in baseball, if not most pathetic franchise in sport…”

Surely you jest? This team was a joke when he arrived. The team could have been the worst in the league his first year or second year here if Drayton would have allowed us to hit rock bottom then. Instead, he ordered Wade to keep putting a band-aid on it and delaying the inevitable.

We could have been in the Strasburg or Harper sweepstakes and on our way back up. Because of Drayton, we haven’t even hit bottom yet.

by Raidas77 on Nov 28, 2011 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

The Tejada trade and the constant trading with the Phillies are indefensible to me. There is enough blame for Uncle D and Wade.

Let’s hope for better days.

My first mistake was assuming you knew what I was talking about.

by Shamus on Nov 28, 2011 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

with the Phillies. Very unsettling to me

My first mistake was assuming you knew what I was talking about.

by Shamus on Nov 28, 2011 4:37 PM CST up reply actions  

It would be unsettling if the return for each trade sucked

they weren’t. The Oswalt deal was a little underwhelming, but Wade won the Lidge trade (win-win for both sides, I suppose) and he came out very well in the Pence trade.

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by jonthefon on Nov 28, 2011 5:10 PM CST up reply actions  

The Oswalt deal yielded a young major-league ready pitcher who has pitched more MLB innings since then than Oswalt has, even with a stint in the minors. plus a shortstop who currently ranks somewhere between 4 and 5 on Astros top prospect lists, depending on the source. Considering how much salary was dumped and the Astros weren’t winning, if people think that was a bad trade, they’re confused. Bourn > Lidge, and the trade for Pence was incredible. Talent hauls like that rarely happen in trade anymore.

I wish Wade had traded MORE with the Phillies, I think he won all three of those deals.

by CRPerry13 on Nov 28, 2011 5:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Well sure Happ has pitched more innings than Oswalt, but Oswalt has pitched much better in those limited innings.

by Woodlands'stro on Nov 28, 2011 11:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Everybody knew that was going to happen though. That’s why we got three players in return for him.

by CRPerry13 on Nov 29, 2011 8:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Happ > Oswalt? Serioiusly?

So because Happ pitched more innings, that excuses his ERA and win-loss record? You don’t trade your best pitcher with proven talent for a guy who would be the 5th starter on every team save KC, Pitt, Sea and Houston and wouldn’t even be in the starting rotation for top tier teams!

Houston got rooked for Oswalt.

The “talent haul” for Pence is risky because both talents had not proven themselves above A ball, and if you look at their stats, it’s not overwhelming.

You trade your most popular player and secone most talented player on the team for two A ball prospects who basicly have a 50-50 chance AT BEST of becoming MLB players at the same talent level as Pence? The Phllies were barren at AA and AAA?

And what’s with Wade’s loyalty to Philly anyway? Are we supposed to believe that the Phillies were always the top contenders?

by KarlPopperFan on Nov 29, 2011 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t say they got “rooked” in the Oswalt deal. Roy had essentially demanded a trade, but his no-trade clause gave him control over where he went, so the FO was limited in who they could shop him to. In the end, they received Happ, a viable MLB-ready 4th starter, Villar, a fringe top 100 SS prospect with unlimited upside, and Wallace, a top 100 (at the time) prospect with a reputation as a “hitting machine”. All that for 1.5 years of an aging, injury-prone Roy Oswalt. Factor in the state of the roster, payroll, etc., and it wasn’t a bad deal. Even though Happ ran into some hard times this year, his career ERA is still 4.00. Wallace is looking like a bust, but at only 25 hope isn’t lost that he can find his way. And the story has yet to be written on Villar, who as a VERY young player in AA showed defensive prowess and pop in his bat. If he ends up being Hanley Ramirez, this trade will look a lot different.

As far as the Pence haul, we received 2 top 50 prospects, another fringe top-100 prospect, and a solid reliever prospect for 1.5 years of Pence. Again, given Wade’s payroll restrictions and the state of the roster, not a bad haul. We won’t know for at LEAST 3 years how good or bad the deal was, but for now, I think most experts have given the deal positive reviews.

Wade’s dealings with the Phillies could be just circumstantial, or his familiarity with their prospects and FO personnel may have led him to believe that he had an upper hand when dealing with them.

Go back and review Wade’s trades during his Astro tenure; he did a good job.

by Snake Diggity on Nov 29, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Not only was Wallace a toP 100 prospect, he was #27. too bad he didn’t live up to his reputation…still young though

by Woodlands'stro on Nov 29, 2011 5:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Comments from Wade

Chron.com has some comments from Wade. Points of interest: (1) Wade was told of his firing on Wednesday and had a meeting with the ownership group, in which he pleaded the case for keeping certain Astros’ personnel (notably Mills); (2) Wade has two years left to be paid on his guaranteed contract; (3) Wade expresses regret about financial constraints that McLane applied to his decisions; (4) Wade expresses regret that the rebuilding process has been too slow.

by clack on Nov 28, 2011 11:36 AM CST reply actions  

I read about that “evergreen” clause in his contract that left Crane on the hook to pay 2 years of Wade’s salary instead of just one. Interesting.

2 years is a nice vacation.

by conroestro on Nov 28, 2011 12:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I don't think it's a judgement on Wade's performance primarily...

Wade, with all the Drayton-imposed obstacles, still did pretty good, and I bet Crane and Postolos would at least generally agree with that assessment.

It’s just that they need to have a new set of people who are BETTER than pretty good in order to flatten the curve of the transition as much as feasibly possible so that more folks come back to the park to see a team that appears on the way back up—i.e., not by Year 7, but hopefully, by Year 3 or 4.

The AL West is now loaded with new-school GMs, in every team. We can’t go to battle against those sorts of guys long-term with folks like Wade and Heck—or rather, it wouldn’t be optimum to do so. We need people who assess value and think/analyze in a different way, I think, because that’s what the rest of the AL West will be doing. If the As get to move to San Jose, they’ll eventually get more aggressive too (more $$ to spend), etc. Better people need to be running the show, but that doesn’t mean the folks they’re replacing are bad per se. We really need change—not just for show; we really, truly need it.

by va que va on Nov 28, 2011 8:33 PM CST reply actions  

tal smith...too much entitlement

Smith’s case really deserved to be handled differently, but again given the short time frame to the Winter Meetings handed to us by Selig, it just wasn’t going to work out nicely.

His reaction tells me more than anyhing else. Like Paterno: “don’t y’all worry about me…I’m going to retire at the end of the season.” When you’ve been around long enough that you start thinking in that sort of entitled way…….it’s time.

The classy way to handle it would have been to quietly tender a letter of resig. before he left for Hawaii (as I think Chip Bailey noted on Ult. Astros), while maybe noting that you stand ready to help the transition in any way you can…that might have been the most effective way to curry favor with the new regime for a future consultancy of some sort—not EXPECTING Crane to wait on you, and come to you and feel you out (after you get back from vacation!) for a new role to transition to…….(people in hell want ice water, too, Tal).

by va que va on Nov 28, 2011 8:47 PM CST reply actions  

good!

For Lidge, Oswalt, and Pence, the only player we got even close to their value was Bourn. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Cosart and Singleton are good prospects, but considering neither played above A ball, it was risky to trade proven talent for prospects who may or may not contribute until 2013!

Here’s the nail in Wade’s coffin: Oswalt for Happ!

by KarlPopperFan on Nov 29, 2011 9:43 AM CST reply actions  

Getting high ceiling A-level prospects like that is what Crane wanted. I don’t think he can legitimately blame Wade for getting risky prospects when that is what he wanted from Wade this summer.

by clack on Nov 29, 2011 9:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Crane?

he could have held out for a prospect closer to the majors than A ball. Obviously, Oswalt waived his no-trade clause, and that trade has been a bust for the Astros.
Also, before the 2011 trades, the Astros farm system was a joke, and at the end of 2011, every Astros farm club finished in last place or near last place. I know a lot of this is Purpura’s fault too, and McClane pretty much told Wade to get rid of everyone, but Wade still could have done better given the talent he traded away. And Lidge, Oswalt, and Pence all to the Phllies? Were the Phillies giving the best deals, or was Wade just dealing with an organization he knew the best and doing good ol’ boy backroom deals?

by KarlPopperFan on Nov 29, 2011 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

I was hoping Wade could stay around longer so he would have the chance to trade Wandy Rodriguez and Brett Myers to the Phillies for Brown, May, and Biddle. Oh well.

by conroestro on Nov 29, 2011 2:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Haha, one can only wish!

by CRPerry13 on Nov 30, 2011 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Given the previous allegations....

…this isn’t surprising. Rosenthal says that Crane needs to hire a minority or woman as GM in order to dispel the employment discrimination history. He mentions that the Astros should interview Kim Ng and Omar Minaya like the Angels did.

by clack on Nov 29, 2011 1:56 PM CST reply actions  

If he hires Minaya, that will hit two birds with one stone...

Minority in the front office, and the many minority players that will be hired by Minaya!

/kidding

by mike_o on Nov 29, 2011 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Kim Ng would be good, but I don’t think Minaya has done anything impressive. I would rather they go with one of the Rangers guys over Minaya.

by conroestro on Nov 29, 2011 2:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I would not be happy with Minaya as GM—-mostly based on his GM tenure with the Mets. That’s not to say that Minaya wouldn’t be suitable as a special advisor or special scout—-the kind of advisory positions that ex-GMs tend to get while they try to keep their name in line for open GM positions. The rumor is that Minaya will be hired as a special assistant in Boston.

Kim Ng is an interesting case, and probably should at least be interviewed by the Astros. She has one of the bigger glass ceilings to break though. She has interviewed for GM jobs many times, and was a finalist for the last Dodgers’ and Mariners’ vacancies. She is a University of Chicago graduate who is supposed to be smart and skilled. She is currently MLB’s VP for Baseball Operations, and probably would have expertise in the new CBA and player acquistion caps, etc. The unfortunate, and unfair thing, is that, if a trade doesn’t turn out well when she is GM, I can see Joe Six Pack, as he sits on his couch, complaining that a woman can’t possibly scout baseball players. Wikipedia says she would be the first female GM of a major professional sport. Postolos was involved in opening the Chinese market for basketball talent…who knows, maybe Ng (who is Chinese-American) can help the Astros get more notice in Asian markets. Here is an older article about her in 2002 which appeared in the Taipai newspaper.

by clack on Nov 30, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Unfortunately, she has no interest in dealing with the Astros.

But it helps Crane that Pam Gardner is here to stay.

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.

by BustaPozee on Dec 4, 2011 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

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