Glimmer of Hope: Bogusevic
I like Brian Bogusevic. I want him playing right field for the Astros pretty much full time for all of 2012. I want him to get at bats against left handed pitchers. There I said it. I think the only way he can get better at hitting lefties is to actually see a lefty. If the Astros were in a pennant race I would say he should be platooned, but unfortunately reality dictates what we should do, and nothing is at stake in 2012, so let the man play. I have modest hopes for him. I don't expect all-star campaign after all-star campaign. I know he is facing even more of an uphill battle than your usual right fielder since he got a late start on his hitting career. Sometimes when I watched him this season I thought I saw some parts of Luis Gonzalez in him or maybe a little Luke Scott...my knowledge of lefties is mostly limited to former Astro players, so please forgive me.
One similarity between Scott and Bogusevic, aside from which side of the plate that they bat from, is the fact that both made it to the majors at a later age than a team would hope for from a prospect. Both players also struggled in what little playing time they got in their first season and then had a good second season with the help of high BABiPs. So Scott gives us an example of an older prospect contributing to a MLB club. But they are not the same type of player. Bogusevic probably won't hit as many home runs as Scott. I have hope that he will be able to sustain a higher BABiP than Scott. First of all, Bogusevic seems to hit a few more line drives than your average hitter which should lend itself to more singles, doubles, and triples, and then there's the hustle factor. I don't doubt the hustle and the work ethic of a guy who had to face the disappointment of failing as a pitcher in the minors, and then had to rebuild himself as an outfielder good enough to make it to the majors. Are we really going to bet against him at this point?
I've seen some comments comparing Bogusevic to Chris Johnson of 2010. But I don't really see it. I know Bogusevic has gotten lucky some in 2011, but his BABiP hasn't been as high as Johnson's was last season. Also Johnson's walk rate has been worse than Bogusevic's in both the majors and the minors. Then when you take into account Johnson's poor defense and Bogusevic's solid-so-far defense, it is very hard to see a Johnson-esque regression/flop for Bogusevic in 2012(For the record, I haven't given up on CJ just yet).
Bogusevic's late start in the outfield bequeaths all sorts of hopes to me. So many of the rawer parts of his game could still improve even though he is a little late in cracking the Majors (not as late as Luke Scott mind you). Things like hitting against lefties, outfield routes, and plate discipline can improve with time and experience, therefore I hope Bogusevic's arm and defense will be good enough in right field for him to win some at bats against lefties. How else can he learn to hit them better? He doesn't have to be as good as he is against righties, he just has to hit better than .154 against them.
So there's a glimmer of hope for our youngish right fielder. His batting average will probably come down a bit because I think his BABiP will regress a little, but there are hopes that it will remain above average. He has shown a great arm in right...especially toward the end of the season. I wish I could say that I saw him enough in the field to know exactly how good he is, but I haven't. I know fangraphs rates him well, but I imagine more time will need to pass before we know for sure. He doesn't seem lost in the field and has some of the natural resources to be very good. I hope his defense will force the Astros to play him enough against lefties that he can improve his hitting against them and learn to swing a little less at pitches outside of the strike zone.
What are your expectations for Bogusevic? What would it take to make you happy? How about .275/.350/.450 with good defense and a feel-good story?
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He has lots of power that he shows on every hit.
The problem is that he hits balls on the ground way too often, and he hits them hard. The power is already there. That’s not an issue. But what he needs to do to become successful is to hit balls in the air more often. Then the home-runs will come.
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Bogusevic’s groundball tendency has been a flaw discussed by scouts throughout the period that he has been a position player in the minor leagues. I agree that he won’t hit a lot of HRs, for that reason. And that’s probably the main reason that I don’t see him as a full time starter in RF long term. Bogusevic looks like he could be a good defender in RF, so he has that going for him. I think the .275/.350/.450 is possible, and would be very good year for him. However, if I were projecting, I probably would reduce the OBP and SLG by about 10 points each.
by clack on Oct 8, 2011 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm ready to see if Barnett might possibly be able to help Bogey with his swing this offseason
and going into ST. He did after all help Bourn and Pence have career years before their respective trades.
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I agree with all of this.
I think he could post a .760-.800 OPS. That’s not superstar production, but it is a useful player.
If he hits about as well as he did in AAA the last few years (and I think that’s optimistic), a line like .270/.360/.400 is more likely. I still don’t know if I buy that he’s improved his skills enough to perform that well though—the gap in competition level between the PCL and MLB is very large.
I would not be surprised at all if his batting line wound up closer to .260/.340/.380. And that’s fine for a bench outfielder, but if that’s all he’s good for I don’t think it’s strong enough to start every game.
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I think what’s encouraging is that he’s shown opposite field power. He get’s with the right hitting coach and I think he could take off.
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by Timothy De Block on Oct 9, 2011 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Who was the Cards pitcher that they converted to OF?
Was it Ankiel? He’s a similar comp eh?
by Its Gonna Happen on Oct 8, 2011 9:26 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Rick Ankiel
Career .246/.309/.423 hitter. They profile somewhat similarly. I think Bogusevic has better on-base skills and less power. They both have strong arms, for obvious reasons.
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Ankiel showed monster power in the minors. He had 32 HRs just past halfway through his AAA season before he was called up, and then hit 11 HRs for the Cards, giving him 43 HRs in 2007. In 2008, Ankiel hit 25 HRs on the season, but his power disappeared after that.
by clack on Oct 9, 2011 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
he was busted for HGH a cpl years ago, or he was accused.
If i were Arnold Rothstein id pay Ryan Braun all the money he
wants to stop going on homer streaks against the poor Astros....
am i the only one?
by ccislanders on Oct 9, 2011 1:24 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
…Ankiel was accused in 2007 of buying HGH in 2004. HGH was not banned in baseball in 2004, and Ankiel said he had a physician’s prescription for it after his TJ surgery. As a result, no action was taken by baseball.
by clack on Oct 9, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ohhh, that makes sense, I remember all that now. I wasnt sure what the deal was, I just decided too throw that info of my brain on the comment board.
If i were Arnold Rothstein id pay Ryan Braun all the money he
wants to stop going on homer streaks against the poor Astros....
am i the only one?
by ccislanders on Oct 9, 2011 10:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree that Bogey should begin the season as the everyday RF. I think the 720-800 OPS projections are fair, which would mean he is at worst a very good 4th OF, and at best and average everyday RF. Next season should be used to determine which of those he really is.
Also, even if Bogusevic doesn’t pan out into an everyday guy, Houston has Goebbert, Bailey, Domingo Santana, and Dan Adamson all coming up behind him. All 4 are legit prospects, and Santana has a chance to really blow up into a top 100 type next season.
by Snake Diggity on Oct 14, 2011 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Santana really came on after the trade. Can't wait to see what he does this coming season.
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
I’ve been a Bogusevic fan for a while now. I would br extremely pleased to see him start in right.
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by hunterpencefan on Oct 10, 2011 10:46 AM CDT reply actions
I think a good platoon arrangement for Bogusevic would be ideal. But it depends on whom is available for the other half of the platoon. And that probably depends on whom is in spring camp and how they perform. If Brett Wallace earns considerable playing time at 1st base, it’s possible that Martinez could eat into some of Bogusevic’s playing time in RF, with Lee in LF. It could also depend on what the arrangements are in CF, which seems to me to be up in the air. A Schafer/Bourgeois platoon seems possible. But if not, does that push Bourgeois into a platoon with Bogusevic? I think the Astros will sign an outfielder or two for spring camp. Will that player primarily be a CFer or RFer? Those questions may affect the decision too.
by clack on Oct 10, 2011 11:58 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Another name, whom I forgot to mention, that could be involved in at least a limited platoon arrangement with Bogusevic: Matt Downs.
by clack on Oct 10, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That’s what I was thinking. Mr. Super Utility himself…
by Its Gonna Happen on Oct 10, 2011 2:40 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I’d think that if they sign a free agent outfielder (or two), they’d be cheap guys who can play all 3 positions. While I don’t necessarily think it’d be a good idea, I can see Wade doing it. Crisp, DeJesus, Ross, Ankiel, Hairston, Cameron, and McLouth are all free agents I could see fitting the bill.
Either way, there could be a lot of platoon situations next season, since no jobs appear to be cemented and there are multiple young players in the mix all around:
C: Castro/Q
1B: Lee/Wallace
2B: Altuve/Downs/Paredes/Bourgeois
3B: Paredes/Johnson/Downs/Wallace
RF: Bogusevic/Bourgeois/Downs/Martinez/Shuck
CF: Schafer/Bourgeois/Shuck
LF: Martinez/Lee/Bourgeois/Shuck/Bogusevic
I like the approach as it allows for favorable matchups and increases the chance that these young players get some sustained success they can build off of.
by Snake Diggity on Oct 10, 2011 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I wonder what McLouth would cost
He’s kinda like a rich mans JR Towles.
by Its Gonna Happen on Oct 10, 2011 7:03 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Goodness, no...
It’s guys like McLouth that have made the Astros the middling, mediocre team they’ve been since they went to the World Series. I’d much rather stick with the young guys and have a top 10 draft pick than signing a bunch of has-beens/never-was and be picking in the teens.
Im not against having Bogey play
But I’m not willing to completely write off the season until at least May…
by Its Gonna Happen on Oct 11, 2011 8:12 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
1. Bourgeois/Shuck CF
2. Downs 2B
3. Bogusevic RF
4. Lee/Wallace 1B
5. Martinez/McLouth LF
6. Johnson/Paredes 3B
7. Barmes SS
8. Doumit/Quintero C
by Snake Diggity on Oct 11, 2011 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Please no Shuck
As much as I like his on base skills, he’s so slow and his arm makes Johnny Damon’s look like a cannon. Please no.
by Patrick Harrel on Oct 11, 2011 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions
His Arm makes Angel Sanchez look like an All-Star Shortstop
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With Crane not being in power till after FA
I dont think we should sign any outfielders at all. We are still crowded in the outfield with Lee, Bougeouis, Schafer, Bogey, Lee, Martinez, Paredes and Downs can also play outfield. Also got a tid bit of info that Towles will probably be in Boston next year.
What could we trade Towles for?
He doesn’t carry much value other than what he showed years ago. I wouldn’t be surprised to see teams take a flier on him as a FA, but not in a trade. Towles could probably bring us back a nice box full of rally towels…HA!
by Its Gonna Happen on Oct 10, 2011 2:46 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Paper Towels maybe
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
by StrosSouth on Oct 10, 2011 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
or 10 wooden bats.
If i were Arnold Rothstein id pay Ryan Braun all the money he
wants to stop going on homer streaks against the poor Astros....
am i the only one?
by ccislanders on Oct 10, 2011 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wood is more expensive so other team would be overpaying big time
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
how about bats
made out of the cardboard tubes that paper towels come on? Who hangs up first, the red sox or the Astros? Maybe we can throw Wade in so they have some depth at the GM position in case Theo goes to the cubs.
LMAO
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Not buying it
Look, I know I’m getting a reputation for putting numbers ahead of everything else (though it’s not true, I do find them to be a convenient argument, as statements not based on anything concrete tend to be a hard point to sell when it’s against the popular opinion).
But just looking at Scott’s body of work in the minors compared to Bogusevic’s is argument enough in my favor. Scott was a far better hitter in the minors than Bogusevic was. In AAA, Scott had three times the number of home runs, a higher on-base percentage, and a higher batting average in close to the same number of plate appearances. And Scott has not had a particularly successful major league career.
Bogusevic has a great story, but I think Ankiel is a good comparison. Both should be decent bench outfielders for a while, but no team can seriously consider him to be a long-term answer in the outfield. If he hits .275/.350/.450, it will be the most shocking development to come out of the Astros farm system since Johan Santana.
I’d disagree that Scott hasn’t had a successful Major League career.
He has a career OPS+ of 122 which is well above average. He wasn’t called up in 2004 because Biggio, Taveras and Berkman roamed the outfield, 2005 he was called up but didn’t prove to be much of an upgrade over Burke but was on the post season roster. From 2006 to 2010 he posted 2+ WAR in 4 of those 5 seasons. I’m not saying he was elite or even really good, but I’d say he’s had a pretty successful career given his situation.
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by Timothy De Block on Oct 11, 2011 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
You're right...it was a word choice issue.
Anybody who becomes a starter in the majors for a few years is successful. Perhaps I should have said that he’s not the type of guy one gets excited about having in their lineup. He’s a decent, workmanlike player, and I wouldn’t mind to have him on the Astros in 2012.
But I don’t see Bogusevic being as good a hitter as Scott, and I don’t see Scott as an impact player on a possible playoff contender. Ergo, I’m not getting my hopes up about Bogusevic. That was all I meant.
My hopes are not my expectations.
I think that most likely Scott will be a much better hitter and Bogusevic will be a better defender who will most likely be a platoon player and a 4th out fielder. But since we will be lucky to win 70 games next season I would like to see if the small chance Bogusevic has can be realized.
I'll take 70 wins.
Silver lining! Another top-5 draft pick, woohoo!
Bogusevic had BETTER play next season, unless Wallace turns into a hoss and pushes Lee back to left. Unless the Astros sign a fantastic left fielder or 1B, which would be neat. Not gonna happen though.
They should just get Fielder Reyes Sabathia Ramirez Darvish and Valverde...
I’m not serious, folks. Man, I need to get a baseball video game. Anyone have out of the park baseball for iPhone?
I know you're joking....you said fielder over Pujols...
Ha! You jokester…
by Its Gonna Happen on Oct 11, 2011 8:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Next year they are not going to be competitive,why not let Bogey have a chance.I absolutely do not want any of the outfielders mentioned above.How long has he been a hitter??I think it’s like 3 years.if you really think about the wasted years pitching he essentially made the majors in 3 years and that’s pretty impressive.I think he could bat around 270 and if he could harness the power we all know he has hit at least 15 – 20 homers while providing great defense in right and decent speed on the base paths.I guess you can tell I like Bogey and am rooting for him to do well.

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