Schafer arrested in Florida for marijuana possession
Uh, oh. Astros' CFer Jordan Schafer was arrested for marijuana possession during a traffic stop in Florida. Allegedly Schafer had a joint in his hand when he was stopped by police. It is also alleged that he had peanut butter cups containing marijuana. Earlier in the evening, Schafer twittered that he was at a tail gating party for the Tampa Bay Bucs' NFL game.
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As Schafer's biggest (only?) fan, this really disappoints me.
I don’t think it’s a big deal and I doubt it causes him to miss any games, but this arrest displays some immaturity issues. The best possible outcome from this is that it’s a wake up call to him and he grows up and becomes a more mature, responsible individual and in turn, a better baseball player.
Currently loving: Jordan Schafer, Trayvon Robinson, Mark Appel, Nick Williams, and the Green Chile Double at Whataburger
You’re not the only Schafer fan—-I am too. I’m probably more concerned about the dumbness he showed. Truthfully, it doesn’t bother me if he wants to smoke pot in the safety of his home. But—in a car, holding a joint as a police car pulls up at the stop light?—that’s dumb on many levels. You strike the most optimistic note, with the idea that it will be a wake up call for him to act with greater maturity.
by clack on Oct 4, 2011 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Count me in as a Schafer fan also. I agree with clack. Concerned with the dumbness of the decision.
by conroestro on Oct 4, 2011 3:24 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, not exactly a brilliant move to be smoking it out in public
I don’t see it as any worse than, say, DeShields’ DUI. Probably better in the safety sense and worse in the sense that Schafer is older and should be more mature than a teenager fresh out of high school. Regardless, disappointing, but not the end of the world.
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It almost reminds me of a scene from a Cheech and Chong movie. Maybe we can give him a humorous nickname, like Cheech.
by clack on Oct 4, 2011 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Richard Justice makes fun of Ed Wade and Jordan Schafer. Some of the humor is just an opportunity for Justice to grinds some axes. But some of it is funny enough to evoke laughter. I particularly liked these lines:
I’m just sorry the Puma wasn’t here because he loves Reese’s Peanut Butter Cups as much as anyone.
…but I really enjoyed getting to know him (Jordan).
I hope I get the package he promised me. I hope he doesn’t mind that I had it sent to Milo’s place.
by clack on Oct 5, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's going to be a crappy news day
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by Timothy De Block on Oct 4, 2011 12:55 PM CDT reply actions
Can’t believe that about Kellogg. Really hate to hear it. I was rooting for that kid to get everything together.
by conroestro on Oct 4, 2011 3:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That's such shocking, sad news
Currently loving: Jordan Schafer, Trayvon Robinson, Mark Appel, Nick Williams, and the Green Chile Double at Whataburger
Just read about Kellogg
Girlfriend just told me about Schaffer went to Astros.com to see the news and found even worse news about Kellogg. Its a sad day for Astros and Astros fans everywhere and thoughts and prayers go out to Dustin and the family.
by Its Gonna Happen on Oct 4, 2011 1:59 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
And Schaffer needs to be BITCH SLAPPED
Seriously, when you’re talented enough to be in the Major Leagues of Phucking Baseball you don’t take any chances to throw that away. This is just complete stupidity on his part. He needs to be put in serious check by this team and embarassed!
by Its Gonna Happen on Oct 4, 2011 2:02 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Awful news.
We had all seen the reports about Kellogg’s maturity issues, though. Which makes me feel like drugs or alcohol might have been involved. I certainly hope not.
The bird is struggling out of the egg. The egg is the world. Whoever wants to be born, must first destroy a world.
by Stupendous Man on Oct 4, 2011 2:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
If Schafer were a pro Basketball player...
This arrest would be a badge of honor.
by Bacasillas on Oct 4, 2011 1:12 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I've never smoked it
But I imagine its like drinking without the aftermath of a hangover? But if your a pro athlete why risk it? And if you’re a human being, why risk killing someone because you’re stupid enough to do it while you phucking driving??? So stupid…
by Its Gonna Happen on Oct 4, 2011 2:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I remember when it was legal in Texas to drink and drive as long as you weren’t past the legal limit – in other words no open container law. Federal pressure ended that. States rights!
Sparking up as they say isn’t as big a risk factor as a lot of other things when it comes to auto safety. Cell phones is probably the biggest hazard. Being old rates up there too.
"Prince Fielder is too fat even for the Oakland A’s" - Billy Beane
I don't smoke pot
But as I understand it, it’s a different kind of high from alcohol which is not as impairing on driving skills (but still a bad idea when driving and less safe than being sober, of course).
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There is an appeal.
And that appeal is, it feels good. As a recovering marijuana enthusiast, I can attest to its uplifting affects on the mind/consciousness. I haven’t smoked in a couple years due to the risk of jeopardizing my job, however. But there are times when I want to.
It’s the same way with Schafer now, though. He needs to think about his job and his responsibility to his team, and kick his pot habit. No matter how hard it seems.
The bird is struggling out of the egg. The egg is the world. Whoever wants to be born, must first destroy a world.
by Stupendous Man on Oct 4, 2011 2:42 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
There are many reasons people smoke
And some of them are beneficial to the smoker. There is a reason why voters have approved medical marijuana in 16 states, and it’s not just to party. For many users, it provides relief from ailments (chronic pain, depression, lack of appetite, insomnia, etc.) without the extreme side effects or addiction that can come with prescription pills. Schafer is one of the millions of marijuana users who are productive members of society, made a criminal by laws that do not fit the severity of the act.
However I do agree he should not have been driving, be smart!
by ReHabit on Oct 4, 2011 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He tied the game up against the Giants in the 8th, sgl of Cain.
If i were Arnold Rothstein id pay Ryan Braun all the money he
wants to stop going on homer streaks against the poor Astros....
am i the only one?
by ccislanders on Oct 5, 2011 12:05 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Schafer played 30 games for the Astros, not 162, and he was directly responsible for at least one victory. He also had a HR in San Francisco that sealed the game.His .315/.362/.352 slash line in high leverage situations suggests that he was productive also. He obviously isn’t a superstar, and he played at a replacement level in 2011, but to deny his potential and the fact that he was a productive player is just ludicrous.
Currently loving: Jordan Schafer, Trayvon Robinson, Mark Appel, Nick Williams, and the Green Chile Double at Whataburger
I can quote numbers too.
Schafer was worth 0.2 wins to the Astros in 30 games this season. If you want to be generous and prorate that out over 162 games, he was worth 1.1 wins. That makes him exactly as valuable as Matt Downs, who was a fine pinch-hitter. But Schafer is not an impact player, never has been, never will be. Baseball Reference defines a 0-2 WAR player as a “Reserve Player”, and that’s what Schafer is at best.
It’s like you’re trying to put lipstick on a pig.
And, I just noticed
That ALL of Schafer’s WAR is from the defensive component. Meaning he’s an above-average fielder (but not GOOD), and he is a flat zero contributor with the bat.
Amusingly, Carlos Lee had a 2.1 defensive WAR this season, the highest of his career. Who saw that coming?
Actually, Schafer’s WAR comes from oWAR, not dWAR according to B-Ref. Aside from that, we’re actually more or less on the same page regarding Schafer currently. I wasn’t arguing that he was an impact player at all. Aside from possibly Martinez and Lee (and those are both questionable) there are no impact players in the lineup. I was just saying that he was somewhat productive this past season, and I’m hopeful that with regular playing time, he’ll be able to realize his potential.
Bourn was able to turn it around after having one of the worst years offensively in history in 2008, and Schafer has a better hit tool and better plate discipline at 24 than Bourn did. Unfortunately, I’m growing skeptical that he’ll be able to translate his skills to the field due to maturity issues and reports that I’ve read about him thinking he’s too gifted to have to put in hard work correcting his mistakes on the field. He would definitely be be better suited on a veteran team.
Currently loving: Jordan Schafer, Trayvon Robinson, Mark Appel, Nick Williams, and the Green Chile Double at Whataburger
What the crap is wrong with my eyeballs?
You’re right, of course.
Too early to draw conclusions like that, IMO.
by clack on Oct 5, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're probably right
I just don’t like what I see and read. The guy’s only 24. Maybe a few weeks in jail will do him good this winter.
Some jail time would probably do him good,
but I doubt this goes that far. This is a pretty cut and dry case where Schafer’s lawyer will plea him down to a misdemeanor and get him to pay a fine and do some community service. The only way I see Schafer spending time in jail is if the judge decides to make an example of him since he’s a “high profile” arrest.
Currently loving: Jordan Schafer, Trayvon Robinson, Mark Appel, Nick Williams, and the Green Chile Double at Whataburger
He isn't that "high profile" since he plays for Houston. lol
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
haha true. It isn’t exactly like busting Jeter for cocaine distribution or something like that, but compared to an average Joe getting busted for marijuana, I’d say it’s high profile. I’m sure it made the news there, it was on the news here, and there was an Associated Press article that was distributed to every major newspaper in America. If the judge wanted to get on his soapbox and say, “Hillsborough County is tough on drugs!”, Schafer would be a great candidate to become an example of that.
Currently loving: Jordan Schafer, Trayvon Robinson, Mark Appel, Nick Williams, and the Green Chile Double at Whataburger
I know I just had to say that. It was hanging there like a Lyon FB.
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
It sounds like Schafer was cooperative with police when he was stopped (maybe more than his lawyer would like), accepting responsibility for all of the contraband. If he is sufficiently contrite, that may help the outcome. I doubt that jail time would do any good. The public embarrassment and potential negative impact on his career ought to be sufficient to get his attention.
by clack on Oct 5, 2011 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Plus, it obviously was meaningful cause the Giants didnt make the playoffs and big reason is cause they lost to the Astros 3 or 4 times this year. They shouldve won those games against the worst team in bbal.
If i were Arnold Rothstein id pay Ryan Braun all the money he
wants to stop going on homer streaks against the poor Astros....
am i the only one?
by ccislanders on Oct 5, 2011 11:40 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
One or two good hits
Do not nullify the dozens of outs he hit into.
I know, Im being hard headed.
If i were Arnold Rothstein id pay Ryan Braun all the money he
wants to stop going on homer streaks against the poor Astros....
am i the only one?
by ccislanders on Oct 5, 2011 8:37 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Nah,
I don’t have a good reason for being SO down on Schafer since he’s only 24. Well, and I don’t like his minor league numbers.
I think my real animosity stems from that I had him on my fantasy team in 2009 and he was terrible. He should know better. I demand excellence.
And I’m totally just dicking around. I’m thinking he was probably a nice pickup that year in dynasty leagues and what not.
HAHA
Actually, it’s a 20-team league with 10 keepers per team and a prospect system with 5 per team. So yeah, it’s crazy deep. It was worth a shot, but he wasn’t worth keeping, even in that league.
except for his 1st atbat.
If i were Arnold Rothstein id pay Ryan Braun all the money he
wants to stop going on homer streaks against the poor Astros....
am i the only one?
by ccislanders on Oct 6, 2011 11:36 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Moderate drinking is medically benificial
Think of it as similar.
"Prince Fielder is too fat even for the Oakland A’s" - Billy Beane
Gotta say I could of called this one.
"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.
Coulda...Shoulda...Woulda....didn't....
I’m now full on Bourgeois bandwagon!!!!!
by Its Gonna Happen on Oct 4, 2011 3:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Come on, dude.
It’s not like Schafer burned down on orphanage.
The bird is struggling out of the egg. The egg is the world. Whoever wants to be born, must first destroy a world.
by Stupendous Man on Oct 4, 2011 4:00 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
No, but he MAJOR error in judgement
Maybe its both of these news stories at once. Seeing a young prospect taken away from his family by an auto accident at the same time as a player is caught smoking weed while driving, the two stories don’t mix well at all and may make Schafer look like more of a douche than he really is.
I’m just saying in your home is one thing, but driving around impaired is another.
by Its Gonna Happen on Oct 4, 2011 4:30 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I totally agree with that. Smoke at home, not in your car. That is pretty poor judgement.
The bird is struggling out of the egg. The egg is the world. Whoever wants to be born, must first destroy a world.
by Stupendous Man on Oct 4, 2011 4:39 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You know they research what effects driving. Being emotionally upset has a significant effect on performance. A stirring sermon or a political rally could be worse. The reason its stupid is because of the insane laws. Young people don’t fully realize how perverted, illogical and unfair the “system” is.
"Prince Fielder is too fat even for the Oakland A’s" - Billy Beane
Whether or not the laws are fair, they’re still laws. Anytime you drive with a blunt in your car (or an open drink, or any other sort of contraband) you’re taking a risk. Schafer knew that.
The police have the right to search your car, but not your home without a warrant. If he needs to get high, do it behind closed doors, where they can’t touch him.
The bird is struggling out of the egg. The egg is the world. Whoever wants to be born, must first destroy a world.
by Stupendous Man on Oct 4, 2011 7:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Isn't this his 2nd time getting caught with marijuana? Or something illegal?
And Dustin Kellogg… My oh my. It is his fault he’s dead. What’s he doing out at 1 in the morning for? It’s still a tragedy, but it was his fault though.
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
people who stay out until 1 in the morning should die?
by lawson3 on Oct 4, 2011 4:16 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You might want to clarify your statement. Because right now, it sounds like you’re saying its his fault he’s dead simply because he was driving a car after midnight.
The bird is struggling out of the egg. The egg is the world. Whoever wants to be born, must first destroy a world.
by Stupendous Man on Oct 4, 2011 4:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That's not what I meant.
Sorry, I misread the article a bit and thought it specifically said his truck hit the 18-wheeler, when in fact that is not the case. Sorry.
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
Well it is the case, so never-mind.
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
You were probably implying that drugs and/or alcohol were involved in his accident (which I suspected as well).
But, that’s not what you actually said. All you said was something along the lines of ‘what was he doing out past 1 AM? What did he expect?’. Which at first glance, doesn’t make much sense. Can’t blame us for jumping on you there.
The bird is struggling out of the egg. The egg is the world. Whoever wants to be born, must first destroy a world.
by Stupendous Man on Oct 4, 2011 7:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
Schafer previously had a human growth hormone (HGH) suspension as a minor leaguer. From a baseball perspective, it’s better that it’s marijuana this time and not a PED, since the a second PED infraction has a severe suspension penalty.
by clack on Oct 4, 2011 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I regularly drive my car past 1
I don’t believe I deserve to die. Yes, it appears that Kellogg was at fault in his accident, but it is no less of a tragic tale. An 18 year old kid, a kid with a family, dies well before his time. Whether he was run over by a 18 wheeler when he swerved into the other lane of traffic or hit by a crazy driver at 2 in the afternoon makes no difference to me.
by Patrick Harrel on Oct 4, 2011 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions
This is the location of the accident. And it looks like it's Kellogg's fault for dying. Sorry
http://g.co/maps/ses8m
Also, this statement confirms my inferences:
Dustin Kellogg, 18, was killed when his pickup truck traveling south on FM 1314 crossed four lanes of traffic and struck the 18-wheeler head-on, according to the Texas Department of Public Safety.
http://www.yourhoustonnews.com/courier/news/update-caney-creek-grad-selected-by-astros-killed-in-early/article_13d6f496-b126-5be1-837f-077ce7dbef1b.html
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
Does it really matter if it's his fault or not?
He’s dead, and that’s not changing. It doesn’t make it any less of a tragedy or any less horrible for his family that this was his fault.
by Patrick Harrel on Oct 4, 2011 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's not lose perspective
It probably kinda sucked for the driver of the 18-wheeler and his family too.
by CRPerry13 on Oct 4, 2011 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, its a tragedy for sure
For his family its a big personal loss I’m sure. It almost feels wrong to think of his loss to the Astros as a prospect, but he was said to have good upside. We lost a kid today that could have been the next big thing. Double whammy.
by Its Gonna Happen on Oct 4, 2011 5:34 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
And after reading that article
I find out that he was burned inside the truck?…that’s realllllyyyyyyyy PH’ed up.
by Its Gonna Happen on Oct 4, 2011 5:37 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I am going to sound harsh, but this is how I sincerely feel about the situation.
Really, what this accident has caused is not pain for Dustin Kellogg, but pain for his family members who have to bury him and pain for his friends who will never get to talk to him again. It certainly does matter whose fault it was because if Kellogg had made the choice not to drive dangerously, he would still be alive today. Should Kellogg have received a lesser punishment than death? Definitely! However, This is the real world. The real world is unforgiving unlike us humans who would rather see Dustin be able to live again. But Kellogg had a choice to make. Unfortunately, he made the choice to go out onto the roadway, as an impaired driver, in the middle of the night and, as a result, he ended up getting himself killed in an automobile accident. Not only did he die, but he could have killed someone else as a result of the irresponsible actions he took.
So while we may be feeling sorrow and pity for the late Dustin Kellogg, who is at rest, at peace with this world, it is in fact he, and he himself who has caused the pain and suffering of all his family and friends. So while I do feel sorrow for the friends and family of Dustin Kellogg, I do not feel sorrow for Dustin Kellogg himself. He made his own decisions with or without potential consequences in mind.
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
That seems like a callous thing to say...
That you don’t feel sorry for him. It’s true that he made the decision to drive, but he did so in a drunken/impaired frame of mind. If you ask a sober person if he would ever consider driving under the influence, he would probably say no. If Kellogg was indeed driving drunk, he was making a decision to put himself and others at risk that he probably would not have made if he were sober.
He may or may not have planned to drive himself home after becoming intoxicated. But, in a different frame of mind, be chose to do so. Alcohol makes reasonable people do dumb things. In the end, he is responsible, but it’s still sad and he deserves empathy.
The bird is struggling out of the egg. The egg is the world. Whoever wants to be born, must first destroy a world.
by Stupendous Man on Oct 4, 2011 7:14 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
My family almost died in a head-on collision in February 2003 involving a speeding driver on an S-curve
Had their Ford Expedition hit us more directly, the results of the accident could have been much worse. It is because of this I do not feel sorry for people who choose to drive irresponsibly because they punish other people as a direct result of the consequences of their decisions. That’s not fair. Dustin Kellogg could have killed someone because of his actions. That someone could have been me.
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
I've been on both ends of it.
On Thanksgiving 2008, a drunk teenage girl hit my wife and I when we were driving home from her parents house. We weren’t seriously hurt (she hit the back of our car, fortunately, instead of the front), but the girl ended up in the hospital.
In the summer of 2007, I was at a party and woke up the next morning hungover with my car parked on the front lawn with the keys still in the ignition. I had no memory of driving home, but my friends said I left of my own accord. They didn’t stop me because I didn’t seem drunk. Who knows what could have happened while I was driving, if I had hit another car or a pole? Kellogg’s situation could have been like mine. I had no intention of driving drunk, but it happened nonetheless.
The bird is struggling out of the egg. The egg is the world. Whoever wants to be born, must first destroy a world.
by Stupendous Man on Oct 4, 2011 7:50 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That's interesting to hear your story
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
They're assuming because he was driving erratically
by Patrick Harrel on Oct 4, 2011 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions
When I think of a vehicle drifting over 4 lanes at 1 am, the thing that comes to my mind is someone falling asleep at the wheel. However, it is possible for alcohol to be a contributor to a driver falling asleep.
by clack on Oct 4, 2011 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was thinking that was potentially the case, too. But I had read several articles before the draft about Kellogg having maturity issues and underage drinking issues (like many other teenagers). Which makes me think that its not out of the question that he was drunk or otherwise impaired, as an alert driver obviously wouldn’t have driven like that.
The bird is struggling out of the egg. The egg is the world. Whoever wants to be born, must first destroy a world.
by Stupendous Man on Oct 4, 2011 7:55 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Nothing mentions he was intoxicated or under the influence of drugs
He could have had a diabetic coma, or some other medical problem. His truck could have had a tire blowout causing him to lose control.
However, the nature of this accident has led me to speculate that Kellogg was being an irresponsible driver. Either under the influence of drugs, speeding or something of that nature.
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
You might be onto something with the blowout suggestion, though. Just a few weeks ago, a jogger was killed right in front of the school where I work in the morning hours. People were speculating that a drunk driver hit him (even though it was morning), but it turns out a woman dropping her kid off in front of the school had a blowout and lost control, hitting the jogger. It was tragic. Lots of kids saw it happen, including my brother in law who is a student there.
The bird is struggling out of the egg. The egg is the world. Whoever wants to be born, must first destroy a world.
by Stupendous Man on Oct 4, 2011 7:59 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Wow, I thought I was unclassy
You’re are assuming that it was his actions (drugs, alcohol, immature driving), that caused this accident when in fact you have no idea. Have sympathy for the kid who’s life was taken regardless of what caused it. There is nothing more precious than lif itself, nobody knows that more today than Dustin Kellogg himself. Understand, even if the kid made the mistake of driving stupidly or impaired, or whether it was a mysterious phenominon that caused his truck to swerve into that 18 wheeler and wasn’t his fault at all, nobody deserves to die for that. You can’t learn a lesson by losing your life.
by Its Gonna Happen on Oct 4, 2011 8:01 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I may be wrong. He might have suffered an innocent death
But I look at why an 18 year old would be driving at 1 in the morning without anyone else in the vehicle. And then his maturity problems. And his death just doesn’t look so innocent to me anymore.
Pardon my ignorance, but that is just where my judgement beyond reasonable doubt comes into play.
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
Again with this. What’s wrong or suspicious about an 18 year old driving alone at 1:00 AM? TONS of young people drive around that late without incident. I worked late nights during high school and my first year of college as an 18 year old, and drove home that late many nights.
The bird is struggling out of the egg. The egg is the world. Whoever wants to be born, must first destroy a world.
by Stupendous Man on Oct 4, 2011 8:29 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That just seems abnormal to me. But maybe I'm wrong.
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
You're what a Sophomore/Junior in HS?
I’m not saying you’re not mature but trust me, everybody makes errors in judgement. Everybody deserves a second chance.
by Its Gonna Happen on Oct 4, 2011 8:41 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I have to say something. Cant help it.
Im 16 and over the summer I was always driving around 12-3 in the morning(legally), but I really do understand your point for not feeling bad for him cause youve almost had to experince something similar, but seriously though, this kid was EIGHTEEN, he had a whole future in front of, youve gotta feel sorry for him. I actually witnessed a similar situation, in may on the way back from Houston I was about 50ft from a crash, a charter bus was going south on hw77 and a pickup pulled in front of it and the bus tried to turn away, but it hit the truck and hit a huge light pole and dug it out of the ground, 1 peraon on the bus died and the driver of the truck was extremely lucky he survived. All he got was a ticket….at the time though, now idk whay his situation is.
If i were Arnold Rothstein id pay Ryan Braun all the money he
wants to stop going on homer streaks against the poor Astros....
am i the only one?
by ccislanders on Oct 4, 2011 11:56 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Im bad on this dang phone!!
Corrections:
*in front of him
*1 person(lady)
If i were Arnold Rothstein id pay Ryan Braun all the money he
wants to stop going on homer streaks against the poor Astros....
am i the only one?
by ccislanders on Oct 5, 2011 12:03 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yep, I would say I'm a good example of this
In high school, I regularly stayed out late, would even drive drunk friends home, but never ever drove under the influence. Sometimes, I was out late at a party, sometimes I was working, but I always drove home without incident because I didn’t drink and drive.
by Patrick Harrel on Oct 4, 2011 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Thats why Im out of this conversation, too political.
If i were Arnold Rothstein id pay Ryan Braun all the money he
wants to stop going on homer streaks against the poor Astros....
am i the only one?
by ccislanders on Oct 4, 2011 9:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
So Busta doesn't have to feel alone
I get what he’s saying and I think it’s fair to speculate that Kellogg had some responsibility in his own demise. I also think it’s fair that people feel Kellogg may of had little control in this accident.
I don’t think it’s fair that people seem to be trying to project their feelings and opinions on Busta. He’s merely taking a different point of view. The facts are that Kellogg not the other driver crossed four lanes and hit a semi-truck head on. Where’s the empathy for the truck driver who stayed in his own lane and was as far as we know driving responsibly. He has to put money on the table for his family and that’s been disrupted.
As we get more details we’ll have a clearer picture, but I don’t think it’s unfair to hold empathy for Kellogg who appears, initially at least, to be at fault for the accident.
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by Timothy De Block on Oct 5, 2011 7:21 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I posted this above...but nobody seemed to have a link.
Before we make judgments, we should have some evidence. That’s the way science and the legal system work, not to mention a lot of other fields. So I think we should reserve our criticisms for when we actually have evidence that Kellogg was under the influence. So far, nobody has pointed me to any link showing that the accident was even remotely Kellogg’s fault.
I don’t see anywhere where someone is accusing him of being under the influence of something. People are asking if there’s information regarding that variable.
The facts that we do know is that Kellogg crossed four lanes to hit an oncoming semi. I don’t think it’s unreasonable for people to speculate that something else might be in play here.
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by Timothy De Block on Oct 5, 2011 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, man
Maybe Schaefer won’t be able to hit well anymore after this ordeal.
Oh, wait.
Funny
Maybe if were lucky it will have the opposite affect. Then we can compare Schafer: BM and AM stats. Before and after marijuana.
by conroestro on Oct 4, 2011 8:57 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
He should have clam-baked
Keep the windows up, the cops in the unmarked car wouldn’t have smelled it, and then had no cause to pull him over. At least he was stopped at the light, not asleep at it (I’m talking to you LaRussa). I like the fact that he owned up to it, claimed all the weed was his, admitted to having more in the car, and didn’t try to hang the charges on his buddies.
I’d like more details on those peanut butter cups…
I'm about to be unpopular
But I’m agreeing with BustaPozee. It’s a damn shame what happened to Kellog, but the pity belongs with his family and the other driver and their family. Regardless of whether he was drunk, high, or asleep, he made a decision to be on the road at that time in whatever state he was in.
IF they find out that he had a sudden medical condition or if they find out that his car broke forcing him across four lanes, then I will feel sorry for him, but really….people have to live (or not) with the choices they make.
To most of you that may sound callous. To me, that’s just recognizing the situation for what it is.
What’s really sad about this comment thread are the number of people verbally insulting BustaPozee for having a different viewpoint. THOSE are the people who need a change of perspective.
I agree with you.
We take our lives into our hands every time we’re behind the wheel of a vehicle. It’s just a fact of life. As more details have emerged, it has become increasingly clear that Kellogg was to blame for this. As everyone knows, young drivers, especially males, are more likely to be involved in accidents due to reckless or impaired driving, and that’s what this seems to be.
That doesn’t take away from the overall tragedy of the situation though. He was far too young to die. I’ve seen what happens to the parents of teens who die suddenly, and it’s overwhelmingly difficult for them to even get back to their daily lives. I just hope they’re able to cope with this and don’t allow it to ruin their lives.
Currently loving: Jordan Schafer, Trayvon Robinson, Mark Appel, Nick Williams, and the Green Chile Double at Whataburger
Accidents like this are why the insurance rates for males under 25 are much higher than
for females under 25.
"This is a simple game, you throw the ball, you hit the ball, you catch the the ball, you got it?!"
We’re engaged in a lot of speculation here. And I doubt that it’s appropriate, given the nature of the tragedy and a grieving family. I don’t care who’s at fault, because ultimately it’s irrelevant to the tragedy of a young man dying.
by clack on Oct 5, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I agree 110%. Its sad. Regardless of the circumstances that caused it, a young life is over and its sad.
by conroestro on Oct 5, 2011 8:35 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Well, look on the bright side.
His DAR (Doobies Above Replacement) and UCR (Ultimate Cheetos Rating) will both be through the roof now!
by ToyCannon on Oct 5, 2011 9:57 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Busta,I am going to sound harsh, but this is how I sincerely feel about the situation.
You need to shut the fuck up.
I’m in no way “Mr. Perfect”, but a young man is dead.
RIP Dustin Kellogg
Busta, sorry about the personal attack. I let my emotions overcome me there for a second and I shouldn’t have said that.
I feel bad for everyone involved.Sad…just very sad.
Sorry guys(Busta).
It's Okay. :)
It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
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