About Hunter Pence And Crossing A Line
Look, I'm no insider into the Astros machine. I'm just as outside the system as all of you readers. I spend a good deal of time thinking about the team, but other than that, I'm not connected in any way.
Except when I am, sort of...if that makes sense.
One of my friends at my new job is a member of the Houston Chapter of the Baseball Writers Association of America. He used to attend quite a few games each season (despite living two hours away from the stadium) until some things conspired to make it impractical for him.
But, he still remains connected to people who are connected to the team. Which means any information I glean from him (and get to share with you) is, at best, fourth-hand. That's sort of the case here, but the story I am about to lay out is too good not to get irate about in this public forum. Unfortunately, the article discussing the issue isn't online at my primary place of work, so I'll sum up the issue for you.
My boss heard my friend talking with Bill Hartman, who is the president of said local chapter of the BBWAA. Hartman talks to my friend from time to time and, really, I wish you could hear these conversations. Hilarious, but in that dark way where you make fun of a train wreck. Anyways, apparently, Mr. Hartman called my friend to tell him about this whole incident with the voting for Astros MVP.
For those of you who are not aware, the Houston chapter of the BBWAA each year votes for an Astros MVP, Best Pitcher, Best Rookie, Daryl Kile "Good Guy" Award and the Houston Area Player of the Year. This year, my friend and other members of the chapter voted for Hunter Pence as Astros MVP, which is why he was announced as the winner last week. Before that announcement, though, shenanigans ensued.
According to my boss and friend through Mr. Hartman, there are Astros officials who called him (and presumably other writers) to get them to change their vote so it would be less embarrassing that a Phillie won Astros MVP. This brilliant plan predictably did not work.
I mean, if they did call members about this...never mind the line between the media and the subject it covers which got crossed, or the gray line that exists between MLB.com's stable of writers and its editorial input. This...this was too much. I can just imagine the conversation that might have happened if Richard Justice was one of the writers approached. It must have been amusing.
I don't want to make a tempest in a teapot here, but to me, that kind of thinking just shows how rudderless this front office is right now. It also smacks of Drayton McLane's hand, because I can't really imagine Ed Wade taking it upon himself to do this on his own nor can I see Jim Crane pulling off this kind of power play. This was a Drayton move all the way.
Until this team can get away from these kinds of bone-headed decisions and get back to being a first-rate organization, things are going to be pretty grim. Grim enough to vote a guy as team MVP even though he hasn't been there for 55 games.
Lastly, just so I'm putting things in proper perspective, it appears that not every writer was called, as my friend certainly didn't hear from Uncle Drayton on the matter. I don't know how many actually did get called, just what I heard and read about in that article by my boss that's not online. The only thing fit to print is that Bill Hartman was called and quickly rebuffed those attempts at avoiding further embarrassment.
As if 106 losses wasn't embarrassing enough...
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Personally, I probably would exclude Bourn and Pence from consideration, if it were my vote, given that they were not with the team for a large part of the season. However, if the Astros’ front office was trying to manipulate the writers’ vote, that was class-less—particularly since the motivation is kind of transparent. .
by clack on Oct 3, 2011 8:37 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Two things about this bother me.
First, if the Astros have a “machine”, it’s badly in need of maintenance, oil, or replacement.
Second, hopefully I’m not the only person who feels despair over the fact that the Astros MVP hit 308-49-11-62-7. We can’t scrounge up a better line than that? Allen Craig was better than that with the Cardinals, and in 200 fewer AB!!
I think that speaks as much about the ineptitude of the front office of the past 5 years as does this strongarming of reporters.
My initial reaction is that
this is making a mountain out of a mole-hill. I can see why the Astros would want to avoid further embarrassment by wanting the BBWAA to name a player that’s actually on their roster as the team MVP. Carlos Lee would’ve been a better choice anyway. According to B-R, he tied his career best for WAR in 2011.
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by BoxyBrown on Oct 3, 2011 9:12 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I would have gone with Lee also, on the sole basis that the was the only Astro who was an Astro all season that had the counting stats to qualify.
Very true.
I’m a little ashamed that I hadn’t thought of that. Oh well. If an MVP were going to be picked based off of a limited season, Bourn was more valuable anyway.
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Pence is the MVP
Because he helped replenish the farm system. Maybe Berkman should be the Astros MVP because he gave us the Shark and Paredes. Otherwise I’d go with Lee or Barmes. Sad sad days.
The whole team deserves to win MVP
Because 1st overall draft pick is a combined effort!
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by BustaPozee on Oct 3, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Pence was a VERY good player for us
He was ARGUABLY our best player and has been on the verge of GREAT for a while. Sure Carlos Lee did better than we expected him to do this year and Michael Bourn was once again beautiful on the bases and defense. Barmes was fan-PHUCKING-tastic at SS and gave us more power at the position since…well, I’m guessing since Tejada but I don’t really remember.
We had a handful of guys to choose from sure, but Pence was not undeserving of this award. The fact that the Astros MVP doesn’t even play for the Astros is kind of funny…and sad…very sad, but it has nothing to do with Pence himself. Pence had just recently felt comfortable enough to put down some roots in Houston and open up a baseball academy for kids, which actually is kind of deserving of the Daryl Kyle Good Guy Award if the Astros wanted a good reason to hold the MVP honors from Pence. But I’ll stand by the decision. Pence was our MVP.
by Its Gonna Happen on Oct 3, 2011 5:20 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Lol
Pence Bourn Barmes and Lee are the only real options.
by Its Gonna Happen on Oct 3, 2011 8:46 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
If they were willing to give it to a non-Astro
Bourn shouldve gotten it. He’s an all-around better player than Pence and contributed more this year.
There can be an arguement for both
With both making key contributions, both batting over .300 at times late in the season, and both doing well on defense you can’t go wrong with either IMO. The differences, Bourn was a much better defender and that’s no knock on Pence. Bourn is better than just about everyone on defense. Pence has the bigger bat, hitting for power and sitting in the #3 spot, but Bourn had a good average and the speed to turn hard singles into doubles. Bourn also had the speed to turn walks into doubles. Bourn was the all around better player but teams need big bats and that’s why Pence was named the MVP. I’m not saying that’s the right thing to do, but that’s my reasoning behind the decision. I think Bourn was the better choice looking back.
by Its Gonna Happen on Oct 3, 2011 6:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That's completely fair
And I’m sure that that’s the rationale of the voters that voted for him.
by Patrick Harrel on Oct 3, 2011 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I’m not saying that WAR is the only way to choose MVPs, but the WAR ranking can tell us something about position players’ contribution while they were an Astros player:
Lee 3.2
Barmes 3.1
Bourn 3.0
Bogusevic 2.4
Pence 2.1
It surprised me that Bogusevic had a higher WAR than Pence.
by clack on Oct 3, 2011 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I imagine he got a huge boost from his defensive numbers. Mostly due to teams running on him because they didn’t know about his arm. His defensive numbers will take a hit as teams learn not to run on him.
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by Timothy De Block on Oct 4, 2011 7:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree that Bogey’s defensive numbers will regress. It’s both his arm and range in RF which are responsible for the high UZR and DRS scores, though. His arm is about 30% of the UZR result.
by clack on Oct 4, 2011 7:24 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
How do you think Bogey’s WAR got so high so fast. I know he was average offensively this year, so I’m thinking that it has to do with his arm factor and the amount of assists that he got.
Still that’s impressive given the amount of games that he played. Assuming that his production would have dropped off a little, there is still a chance that he could have led the team in WAR if he was given the full year.
by conroestro on Oct 4, 2011 7:10 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Bogusevic’s defense should be good in RF, though it probably will regress in a bigger sample. Bogusevic also has good base running and decent offensive performance (122 RC+). Bogey seems kind of streaky, and I wouldn’t bank on his ability to keep up that level of production on a consistent basis.
by clack on Oct 4, 2011 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Non-issue
This is nothing more than conjecture and gossip. The article should have read: Your boss was eavesdropping on your friend (presumably his subordinate) and heard half of a phone conversation between he and Bill Hartman.
From there you jump to Drayton McClane being the guilty party of said interferance between Baseball Writers and their vote. You don’t personally know Crane, Wade, McClane or anyone else within the organization but you “can’t see them doing that”. You just want to smear Drayton and I think that’s unfair to him and a cheap shot from you.
You put out a lot of good articles, this one just stinks.
by cactusjake on Oct 4, 2011 12:27 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Well thank you for you not so insightful information there Drayton. Or is this Ed Wade?
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by StrosSouth on Oct 4, 2011 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Lol
That’s Dra all right…
by Its Gonna Happen on Oct 4, 2011 2:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Good ole Dick Justice? Sorry excuse for a sportswriter Dick Justice? Could be.
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