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Glimmers of Hope: The Pitchers

The starting rotation was suppose to be the strength of the 2011 Astros.  Sadly the rest of the team didn't set the bar very high, and the rotation still wasn't a strength.  The 2010 rotation, led by Roy Oswalt for little more than half a season, was pretty good.  The rotation racked up 14.9 WAR ranking 9th in the Majors.  Their 3.90 ERA put them in 9th place; their 3.80 FIP put them in third; and their xFIP of 3.88 had them 7th in the league.  A year later minus Oswalt plus Happ and Brett Myers's regression saw our dreams crumble.  They were 24th in ERA (4.52), 23rd in FIP (4.34), 20th in xFIP (4.05), and 28th in WAR (5.7).   The Angles basically got twice that production from just two pitchers, and then Roy Halladay himself earned 8.2 WAR.  Yeah, we sucked.

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But we don't have to suck as bad next season.  I have hope that even with the guys we have, we will see some improvement.  I think it is not at all far fetched for Wandy to get his K/9 up a little, and lower his BB/9 as well.  And while I'm at it I think he will lower his home runs per fly ball down between 9 and 10 and get his FIP back to about 3.50.  That's not too much to hope for, is it?  

Then we have Bud Norris.  Bud is younger and throws harder, so I am going to ask for a little more natural improvement from him.  Bud took a step forward in 2011, and now he will take another one and pitch closer to 200 innings.  Maybe he can even lower his BB/9 to 3 and cut his HR/FB down to 10.  He's not going to be a true ace mind you, but he can at least make his starts watchable for the fans...that's how far my hopes have fallen for our Astros, they don't have to win, they just have to keep the game entertaining.

Brett Myers, he makes me groan every time simply because I really wanted to trade him in 2010.  And now, having read the article about the anatomy of a trade, I'm not sure Wade knows that he can make counter offers, which might explain why no one offered anything of value for Myers back in 2010.  Brett stunk the first half of the season posting FIPs of 5.38, 5.43, 4.73 and then turned it around the second half posting FIPs of 3.70, 3.92, and 2.36.  Too be honest, I'm having a hard time seeing him improve much.  But I hope he will give us over 200 innings with about a 4 ERA, and be our number three.  Maybe we can squeeze 3 WAR out of him?  2.5?

And now for the fourth and fifth spots...okay, just the fourth spot.  There are just too many possibilities for both rotation spots, but I will go with Jordan Lyles even though I won't be too upset if he's in AAA.  I don't know what is fair to hope for from him.  His FIP wasn't as bad as his ERA and his HR/9 was a lot higher than his minor league numbers, so I hope he can get that down.  How many innings can he pitch next year?  140?  I hope, and I think he can, keep his ERA around 4-4.20 next season for how many innings he can safely pitch.

As for the rest of the starters and the fifth rotation spot, I have no idea what to hope for.  A total of 1 WAR?  A non-negative WAR?  I would be fine with signing a low cost free agent to add a veteran to the competition as well.  The bullpen is also not something that I really want to think about.  Can Lyon be serviceable?  Not as a closer but just a solid middle innings reliever? Can we sign someone like Brad Lidge?  I don't want an expensive closer.  I just want a bullpen that will keep my palm from my face.  If by some miracle the Astros are close to the playoffs next year...stop laughing...we can pick up a reliever at the deadline.

Hey, the St. Luis Berkmans won the World Series!

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Good job.

I guess your not very high on Happ huh. Im hopeful we will see more of his second half of last year next year.

by conroestro on Oct 29, 2011 12:29 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

That’s what makes the Bourn trade hurt me even more.

by MadMartygan on Oct 29, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ya

If we had gotten 1 true #3 starter and some fill-ins…it would have been better than two #5’s startwrs and fill-ins.

by Its Gonna Happen on Oct 29, 2011 9:51 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

…as we have plenty of #5’s anyways…

by Its Gonna Happen on Oct 30, 2011 7:55 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Keuchel, Sosa, Oberholtzer, Seaton, Lyles (at this point)

Clemens may be a true middle of rotation starter. Lyles needs to work on command of his pitches, otherwise he’s nothing special.

Really Cosart is the only one who has ace potential.

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.

by BustaPozee on Oct 30, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m not very high on Clemens. He’s a fringe 5/reliever.

by MadMartygan on Oct 30, 2011 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’ll be surprised if Lyles doesn’t end up having at least a few seasons as a very good #3/#2.

Clemens is still a pretty big unknown, but his performances in his minor league career thus far have to point to a signifiance MLB career. I think he ends up as a #4, or a middle-class man’s Bud Norris.

by Snake Diggity on Oct 30, 2011 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Wandy will be traded this offseason, which will make the 2012 rotaion pretty weak/young.

If you were to rank the pitchers that ended the year in the rotation, I think Wandy would fall in the 15-30 range in the NL. He’s an established #2.

Norris would probably fall in the 30-45 range, although he could be a little higher. I see him improving his pitching, but I think eventually he’ll be a moderate injury risk, which lowers his value a little. That said, I think any team would love to have him in the middle of their rotation.

Myers is an innings eater and I think he’s due for a rebound season. Most teams would definitely have a place for him at the middle or back of their rotation, but sadly, Houston will be counting on him to anchor the front end of theirs. The good news is that he’ll have an opportunity to raise his trade value and bring a significant haul at the deadline.

I’m sold on Happ rebounding. He’ll never be the #3 guy I had hoped he would when Houston acquired him, but I think he is a capable starter for the time being.

If Houston held onto Wandy, it would only leave 1 major question mark in the rotation, but if he’s traded as I expect, there will be 2 completely unproven starters in the rotation to start the season (unless a proven starter comes back in the Wandy trade—as an aside, I could see a Wandy and $3M for Rosario and Bettis). Lyles and Sosa both showed flashes of their potential, but neither set the world on fire. As young as Lyles is, I’d rather see him start in AAA and be forced to dominate before moving up full time. If Wandy is gone I don’t see any way he doesn’t slot into the major league rotation. If Sosa were 24, I’d be REALLY high on him. But at 27 I don’t see much upside from where he already is, which is as a 2 pitcher hurler with good stuff but an inability to conform to a bullpen role. In my opinion this limits him to a #4 or #5 starter at best.

The good news is that (finally) the rotations in the minor league system should be strong from top to bottom. Assuming Sosa and Lyles are in Houston, OKC should feature Clemens, Keuchel and a slew of guys with solid MLB experience like Van Hekken, Harrell, Aneury Rodriguez, and Xavier Cedeno. Former 2nd rd pick Sergio Perez may still be in the mix. Other than Perez, all 6 of the other guys have a chance to contribute in Houston in 2012, with Clemens, Keuchel, and Aneury having #3 long term upside.

In AA, Cosart, Oberholtzer, Buchanan, Cisnero, and Seaton all have high enough ceilings to be excited about, and with strong seasons, all could be in Minute Maid by the end of the year. Houston has a lot riding on Cosart being their future ace.

It remains to be seen who will be the starters in Lancaster and Lexington, but there is a LOT of really interesting high ceiling depth, with the list headed by the 2011 Lexington guys (Foltynewicz, Bushue, Alaniz) and the 2011 draftees (Houser, Armstrong, Tropeano, Hallock, Dufek).

As for the bullpen, I’m not nearly as concerned as most. There was a long list of young players who were fairly productive: Escalona, Carpenter, Lopez, F Rod, Melancon, Wright, EDR, and Abreu all did well enough to expect continued major league contributions next year. I don’t believe in Melancon as the closer long term, but at this point a team as mediocre/terrible as the Astros doesn’t really need a lockdown closer, and that’s a position that won’t warrant attention until they are competitive again. A key measure of Mills’ performance in 2012 will be how well he is able to differentiate the real quality relievers from the posuers out of his list of young relievers. The minor league teams should be fine in the bullpen as well, so help could be on the way in short order and the competition for slots should be healthy. Hicks, Stoffel, Zeid, De Leon, Leon, Chowning, and on and on shows that there should be a yearly stream of new arms to try out.

by Snake Diggity on Oct 30, 2011 7:29 PM CDT reply actions  

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