The Astro Fans Guide To The World Series
Depending on your feelings towards either team, the Texas Rangers verse the St. Louis Cardinals is a nightmare match-up for Astros fans. I can't say that I have a lot of disdain for the Rangers but I still don't want to see them be the first Texas team to win a World Series. On the other side of the field there's the Cardinals who are one of the Astros top rivals. Throw in the fact that you've got two beloved Astro figures on each team and this series really starts to play with your heart strings. The past rival verse the possible future rival.
Let's take a look at the Astro connection for each team.
Texas Rangers
It's not bad enough that Nolan Ryan left the Astros once as a player but then he did it again as an executive. I didn't have good feelings about him leaving for the Rangers a second time. It appears my worst fears have come to fruition. Mr. Ryan is going for yet another World Series title with the Rangers; falling short last year to the San Francisco Giants. The Astros on the other hand are stuck in the basement waiting for an ownership change that may come with a catch. A catch that many Astro fans are not happy about.
Wallowing in my own self pity aside the Rangers are doing what the Astros should of done in 2004 and 2005. I still remember the joyous look on Jeff Kent's face as he shouted while holding up a single digit "just one more."
The Rangers are an easy team to root for especially considering there's really not much of a rivalry between the Astros and Rangers. Well at least for the moment. They're still a Texas team and if I've learned anything about Texas it's that they take pride in being Texans. Heck the Houston football team is named after that pride.
With all that in mind the Rangers really don't have any players with strong ties to the Astros. Unless you're a Darren Oliver fan, who pitched in 9 games for Astros in 2004, or consider Mike Adams and Mike Gonzalez being born in Corpus Christi something worth rooting for. All three have pitched well out of the bullpen this postseason. There's also bench coach Jackie Moore who spent eight years as the manager for the Astros former Triple A affiliate Round Rock Express.
So, an owner with Astro ties both as a player and executive, a team from Texas and some bullpen pieces. Not the most ideal team to root for but let's see if the Cardinals can trump that.
St. Louis Cardinals
The Cardinals have any Astros icon playing for them. There's Jeff Bagwell and Craig Biggio together at the top, then there's Lance Berkman. Throw in the fact that he's a hometown boy and you've got Astro fans going all gooey for him. Of course signing with the Cardinals took away some of those gooey feelings, but the front office takes some of the blame for that one.
Lance Berkman is having an okay postseason (.237/.341/.342). An argument could be made that he's providing protection for Albert Pujols who is going absolutely off (.419/.490/.721) this postseason. Besides Berkman there's not much else. Unless like the Adams and Gonzalez you consider David Freese's being born in Corpus Christi something worth rooting for. Freese by the way has been going off in his own right this postseason (.425/.465/.850).
Edit: Completely missed Octavio Dotel who yes is still pitching. He was acquired as part of the Colby Rasmus deal with Toronto July 27th. Like the other bullpen pitchers Dotel has had a pretty good postseason so far.
Unless I'm missing someone, the Cardinals don't have anyone on the coaching staff or in the front office with major ties back to the Astros. Which is just as well.
Choose Your Side
So there you have it.: Nolan Ryan verse Lance Berkman. Both Astro icons from Texas both pushed out the door by the Astros front office. Are you rooting for the man with the Texas team or the man who grew up an Astro.
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Octavio Dotel
He has been a key part of the Cards’ bullpen in the post-season. And he has a history as an Astros’ player. He has deeper roots in Astro-dom than Darren Oliver.
by clack on Oct 19, 2011 12:05 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
You are correct
I got a bit flustered with BR’s new pop up adds and I only went through position players on the Cardinals side. I’ll fix that. I’m also seeing Trevor Miller now.
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by Timothy De Block on Oct 19, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Miller is not on postseason roster
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by Timothy De Block on Oct 19, 2011 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I can’t believe I just voted for the St. Louis Cardinals. Gag! Of course, last year I was sitting at Yankees Stadium cheering for the Yankees in the ALCS. That’s even worse. This is how much I love Lance Berkman. Go Cardinals!!
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If i still lived in houston
Then probably the Rangers. But living in Austin the last 5 years with a bunch of bandwagon Rangers fans makes me really not want to root for them, at all.
And although I’ve grown up not liking the cards, I like their fans. A true baseball city.
by lawson3 on Oct 19, 2011 12:22 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I like to think that there was a good deal of respect between the Astros and Cards during those playoff rivalry years. I always appreciated the fact, after the Astros defeated the Cardinals in the 2005 NLCS, that LaRussa immediately went over to congratulate Biggio and Bagwell and told the press that Biggio and Bagwell deserved to go to a World Series.
by clack on Oct 19, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for reminding me of TLR congratulating Biggio and Bagwell.
I had forgotten about that. I didn’t forget about the Cardinal fans loudly cheering for the Astros as the team celebrated on the field at Busch though. I’ve been extremely reverent of the Cardinals and their fans since then. You’re right about the series in 2004 and 2005 being respectful rivalries. There was no bad blood between the teams; they just both wanted to win and to get to the World Series. They really have a classy organization from the fans all the way up to management. I wish the Astros could be more like that.
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This is true. I have been to a few Astros/Cardinals series in St. Louis and they have some of the best fans in baseball. They are not threatened by someone cheering for the other team and they actually watch and enjoy the games. I think you would have to be totally obnoxious to make the Cardinals fans mad at you in St. Louis (e.g. Cubs fans).
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I'm not pulling for either one.
And I can’t believe that wasn’t a choice in the poll. I don’t even plan on watching the World Series this year. Hate both teams, and that’s not going to change no matter what league the Astros are in.
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I really do not want the Rangers to win a WS before the Astros
by Brad E on Oct 19, 2011 2:21 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
This ones for Berkman.
He got shafted here, and as one of the top 5 switch hitters of all time. He deserves a ring.
by YohannDookeyblue on Oct 19, 2011 2:27 PM CDT reply actions
I voted Rangers
I dont want to see that other Texas team win a World Series. But I dont want to see our hated division rival win another world series.
I’m rooting for the opposite of everything Mitch Williams says
by Brad E on Oct 19, 2011 6:39 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
…oh, no. don’t tell me that Mitch Williams will be on the announcing team.
by clack on Oct 19, 2011 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, luckily he’s just chiming in from the MLB studio.
by Brad E on Oct 19, 2011 7:02 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t know if McCarver is much better
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by Timothy De Block on Oct 19, 2011 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Cardinals are a rival sure
But I have respect for them. They play the right way. Have so much history. Berkman. National League. Gotta pull for em boys!
by man07 on Oct 19, 2011 8:30 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Nobody's Mentioning the Rally Squirrel!
I’m going for St. Louis. ;p
Plus, you can’t go wrong with Dotel and Berkman!
I'm a National League guy
Go Cardinals
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by Joe in Birmingham on Oct 19, 2011 9:56 PM CDT reply actions
I wonder what the percentages are nationwide. Are baseball fans nationally split 50-50, and we are just mirroring that here?
by clack on Oct 20, 2011 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't imagine that this is a very good barometer of how most of the U.S. feels about this series...
- Some fans here just want the NL to win
- Some want the AL and the DH to prevail
- Some fans are rooting for Lance Berkman
- Some are rooting for Nolan Ryan
I am not a Ranger fan by any stretch of the imagination. But, that being said
I would be absolutely FURIOUS over that obvious blown call at first in game 3. It seems to have switched the momentum, and man – it wasn’t even close. Because of crap like that, and for crap like that, I am for instant replay.
What an idiot ump.
by YohannDookeyblue on Oct 22, 2011 8:51 PM CDT reply actions
Rangers made a game of it in the bottom half of the inning with 2 homeruns.
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by Timothy De Block on Oct 22, 2011 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Cardinals, for sure
1. Houston’s minor league club was a Cardinals’ farm team
2. AL “baseball” is a mongrelization, due to the “designated hitter,” which took strategy away from the game.






























