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Make or Break Year for 2008 Draftees

2012 will mark the 4th full year for the 2008 draft class, which is the current front office's first and for many fans marked the point at which the farm system began to improve. Of the 52 players Houston drafted, 18 remain in the system. 3 have made their big league debuts. So far, no player drafted higher than the 10th round has flamed out completely. For most of the remaining players, I believe that 2012 represents a make or break season, especially when you consider the talent that has accumulated around and behind them through the 2009-2011 drafts and various trades. Here's a run down of who is left and where they stand:

Jason Castro- 2011 was a lost season, but he's already in the bigs and is penciled in as the starting catcher in Houston next year. Profiles as an average bat and above average defender, provided he fully recovers from his knee injury.

Jordan Lyles- Made his big league debut in 2011 and is likely to be a part of Houston's rotation for the foreseeable future. Profiles as a #3 starter.

Jay Austin- 2011 was a step backward, as he started in High A (repeating) and was eventually demoted back to Lexington, where he continued to struggle. Is participating in the Arizona Fall League for the 2nd consecutive year to try and regain some of his value. A plus athlete in CF, he just hasn't hit well enough to advance past A ball. Next season may be his last chance to turn things around before he becomes a totally forgotten man behind other CFers in the system like Springer, Wates, etc.

Ross Seaton- Continued to advance, moving up to AA in 2011. He struggled, but showed flashes of what got him drafted in the 3rd round. Likely due for a repeat season in AA in 2012, he needs to show improvement to continue on the path to the bigs. He's still fairly young, so he will probably have at least 1 more year before being labelled a bust. At this point he probably projects as a 5th starter or long reliever.

TJ Steele- 2011 was a success in the sense that Steele was able to finally stay relatively healthy, but the season was a failure in terms of on-field performance. At this point, Steele is an afterthought among farmstros outfielders and will probably be slated for backup duty in Corpus. Barring a drastic turnaround, it's unlikely he ever sets foot in Minute Maid.

David Duncan- the former 5th rounder has bounced around A ball and was even released before being resigned this year. The 6'9" lefty is a long shot to be very relevant, and 2012 likely represents his last season as a professional unless he stays healthy and makes a very good shoing.

Jack Shuck- Shuck has progressed quickly through the system and made his debut in Houston this year. His total lack of power has been balanced by his on-base skill and ability to play all 3 OF positions. He'll be in the mix to be one of the backup outfielders in Houston next year, which is where he profiles to stay long term as a 4th or 5th OF.

Jon Gaston- the former minor league HR leader continued his downward trajectory, struggling mightily in a repeat year in AA. He has shown good defense and power, but strikes out far too much to continue to advance. Like Steele, he'll likely be slated for backup duty in Corpus next year, which will probably be his last chance to turn things around. At this point a major league career looks unlikely.

Brad Dydalewicz- Another players whose stock fell in 2011, the former Lexington 5 member had a distastrous 2011. It's unclear what went wrong, but if he doesn't show signs of life in 2012, he's destined to be released.

Luis Cruz- An interesting prospect who is still fairly young, Cruz began 2011 on the DL before struggling in Lancaster, which got him demoted to Lexington. There, he did quite well. He'll likely get another chance in Lancaster next season, but he may have to make it as a reliever. If he struggles again, it's probably the end of the road.

Chris Hicks- Hicks had a resurrection after being out all of 2010. He pitched in relief for Lancaster and Corpus and put up great numbers. He's currently in the AFL, and if he isn't added to the 40 man roster, there's a small chance another team could take a flyer on him in the Rule 5 draft. If not, he'll begin in AA or AAA with a chance to make it to Houston by the end of the year. I for one wouldn't mind seeing him transitioned back to starting. For now, he projects as a solid late-inning reliever.

Andy Simunic- struggled in AA before getting demoted back to Lancaster. He's never really put up very good hitting stats, and though he has played many positions, he doesn't appear to have the glove to justify everyday playing time. May get a chance as a bench player in Corpus but his career is in serious jeopardy.

David Flores- Flores started 2011 in AA, was unable to hit, and was demoted back to Lancaster, where he showed why putting stock in #'s put up in High A is a fool's errand. THere's still some hope that he can figure out AA, and this year will likely be his last chance, if he's even given that much. He may be a bench player in Corpus, with his career hinging on his ability to seize limited opportunities.

Shane Wolf- Another 2008 draftee who started in AA and ended in Lancaster. It may be the end of the line, and if he is given another shot, he'll absolutely have to show massive improvement to keep his big league hopes alive.

Nate Pettus- A supposed power arm who missed the entire season due to injury. Wherever he starts the year, he'll need to stay healthy and be a very good reliever to keep moving.

Zach Grimmett- The 28th rounder spent 2011 in Lancaster, splitting time between the bullpen and the rotation. While he wasn't completely overmatched, he certainly didn't change anyone's perception about his potential. With the talent expected to be in Corpus next season, I expect him to be a numbers casualty.

Rene Garcia- A plus defensive catcher, he's been to big league training camp, but struggled offensively the last few years. May get a chance as the backup in AA or again in Lancaster, but if he doesn't show drastic offensive improvement, 2012 will probably be his last in Houston's system.

Danny Meszaros- After rocketing all the way to AA in his first year, Meszaros took a pretty big step back in 2011. Still, his one plus pitch may be enough to get him to Houston. He's likely to start the year in AAA, and if he gets back on track, he could see HOuston sometime next year. He's an older prospect for his experience, so if he struggles again next season, the leash probably won't be long enough to keep him around.

What say you? Which 2008 prospects are you going to watch closely next year? Which ones are underrated? Overrated?

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A note about the drafts preceding this one:

The ‘03-’07 drafts, which theoretically should form the core of the current big league roster, have 4 players on the 40 man roster (Norris, Bogusevic, Chris Johnson, Towles).

2007 has only 3 players remaining in the system (DeLome, Greenwalt, Pitkin) and is likely to have 0 this time next year.

2006 has 4 players (Sergio Perez, Johnson, Norris, Jimmy Van Ostrand).

2005 has 3 (Bogusevic, Brandon Barnes, Koby Clemens).

2004 has 1 (Towles).

No players from drafts prior to 2004 remain in the system. A span of 5 years is on pace to produce a #3 starting pitcher, a 4th OF, a AAAA catcher, and a AAAA 3B. It shouldn’t be of any surprise that this team lost 100 games this season.

by Snake Diggity on Oct 10, 2011 11:02 AM CDT reply actions  

Wow those drafts were terrible.

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.

by BustaPozee on Oct 11, 2011 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Factoring in couldabeens...

in the spirit of full disclosure, the ‘04 draft did produce Pence and Zobrist as well as Troy Patton. ’03 could have had Drew Stubbs if he’d been signed. But ‘05,’06,and ’07 were horrendous. Eli Iorg? Max Sapp?! Ugh.

by Snake Diggity on Oct 11, 2011 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shuck as 4th or 5th OF

Are most 4th and 5th outfielders guys who projected to be 4th or 5th outfielders in the minors like Shuck? Or are the former high-level prospects that got exploited in the majors or high minors? Or guys who are past their peaks but still have some useful skills?

by ntn on Oct 10, 2011 11:46 AM CDT reply actions  

Im hoping Austin and Gaston have good years

Jay Austin is like the Astros version of the Texans Jacoby Jones. He is a tremendous athlete but can’t put it together to reach his potential. I’m still pulling for him though.

Gaston is a good defender with a strong arm and has some pop in his bat. Even if he can’t hit 30 HRs, we have trouble finding guys that can hit 10-15, so I’m hoping he can rebound somewhat and be a “Shuck with power” type of 4th OFer.

by Its Gonna Happen on Oct 10, 2011 2:37 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

If Gaston had Shuck’s on-base skill, he’d be a top 100 prospect.

I figure the FO must still see something in Austin if they are sending him to the AFL again, so there’s hope for him. One of Gaston/Steele/Barnes is likely to be an everyday outfielder in Corpus (along with Wates and Bailey), so whoever that is will have a chance to shine. The other 2 will be backups in OKC and CC.

by Snake Diggity on Oct 10, 2011 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

If the Astros give up on Austin then we’ll have nothing to talk about in the podcast.

Follow my ramblings on Twitter .

by Timothy De Block on Oct 11, 2011 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Way to keep priorities straight.

by ntn on Oct 11, 2011 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gaston and Steele, Now or Never

I got to see Gaston and Steele at Whataburger Field all season and I agree with your assessment on both of them. Steele is definitely the one on thinner ice. The last half of the season it was hit and miss and his inability to keep his anger in check really didn’t help him. He was ejected for arguing a called third strike, punched the water cooler more times than I care to remember (still trying to figure out what the water cooler did). With the bullpen we had this season no lead was safe. Siminic was okay but I would take Flores over him any day of the week. While his hitting could have been better his defense made up for it.

by hooksfan on Oct 20, 2011 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

By the way

Good write up Snake. And yes, everytime I see your name I think of Metal Gear Solid

by Its Gonna Happen on Oct 10, 2011 6:59 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

That was depressing!

by DallasGatr on Oct 11, 2011 3:47 AM CDT reply actions  

THe 03-07 comment was depressing. The ’08 is on pace to provide a lot:

-A starting catcher (Castro)
-A #3 starting pitcher (Lyles)
-A #5 starting pitcher (Seaton)
-A 5th outfielder (Shuck)
-A setup man (Hicks)
-A spot reliever (Meszaros)

That’s a pretty good return for one draft. No home runs, but 2 very good pieces, 2 good peices, and 2 contributors. And that’s if Austin, Gaston, and Steele continue to bust.

by Snake Diggity on Oct 11, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

It feels like we've been rebuilding since 06, but thats not the case

We SHOULD have been rebuilding since 06 but the fact is we’ve only just begun. We really can’t say we’ve fully commited until we go all out on a draft. The draft in which we pick first in every round would be a nice time to go all out, don’t you think? God I hope we don’t “shit the bed” in this draft. And yes, that quote was from the Podcast so its useable.

by Its Gonna Happen on Oct 11, 2011 7:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Whenever I look at the Pirates and Nats last draft

IT MAKES ME GGRRRRR!!!!!!!!!! Why is it that other teams can sign multiple first round talents and we refuse to? I’m praying we get lucky and some of the 8th and 9th round guys turn into top prospects…you know like the Phillies got Cosart…bastards.

by Its Gonna Happen on Oct 11, 2011 7:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

It takes a while to rebuild a minor league system that can generate major league players on a regular basis. After the Astro system was gutted by a previous GM you are probably looking at a 4 to 5 year range to start seeing a system that can stock the major league team. The rebuilding has started under Wade, but likely that Wade is living on borrowed time until a new owner names his people and GM.

by The Deadman on Oct 24, 2011 1:33 PM CDT reply actions  

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