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Carlos Lee and psychology verses statistics

This morning I was reading Alyson Footer's latest blog post, in which she wonders if Carlos Lee playing at first base has had a positive effect on his concentration level.

You also have to wonder if playing first base has helped Lee at the plate. Is playing a position where he is involved in nearly every play, which in turn requires non-stop concentration, helping him focus better at the plate? There seems to be long stretches of nothingness while standing in the outfield, and I can see where it would be easy to become distracted or let your mind wander. Maybe the concentration that's there when Carlos plays first base lingers when he is hitting. It could be the best explanation as to why his bat has come to life after hitting around .240 for the better part of four months.

I absolutely believe Alyson is one of the best writers in baseball. I haven't always agreed with her opinions, but they are always well thought out and level headed.

Clack mentioned, in last nights game thread, that this was an argument one of the radio guys discussed during the game last night. If we're going to use that line of thinking why not make an argument that since he has to run less to get to his position now he must have more energy to hit the ball. Seems kind of silly.

You can in fact statistcally explain why Lee has played better at first base. Brad Mills has gotten into the habit of sitting Wallace against left handed starters in favor of Lee, essentially establishing a platoon at first base. Against lefties Lee is hitting .278/.333/.452, against righties .240/.276/.413, that's a pretty significant split. Playing mostly against lefties at first base will give the illusion that it has helped Carlos Lee.

There is another statistic we use around her that also helps to explain Lee's sudden resurgence. Batting average on balls in play (BABiP) which helps explains the luck factor for a player. Lee on the season, has a .239 BABiP which is significantly lower than his .286 career BABiP. This means he has not been especially lucky on balls that he puts in play. As his BABiP improves towards his career average so will his performance.

I'm not discounting entirely that their is some psychological effect to Lee moving to first base, but statistically Lee was due. And if Lee is having concentration issues in left field, then maybe he needs to sit a few more games than he has been. I'm not saying bench him, but if he's having issues mentally then, giving him a day off here or there would benefit him mentally.

If we're going to use psychology for Lee why not make the same case for Brett Wallace. I understanding having him sit a few games, it is a good strategy, but what effect does this potential move have on him. Sure you can say he'll probably handle it, he should, but look at his past. He's been traded from St. Louis, to Oakland, to Toronto, to Houston, and now he's going to be jerked around between the Major Leagues and Minor Leagues. How is Wallace supposed to gain confidence when every where he ends up the team is shipping him out.

The other thing that bugs me about this potential move is that the Astros say they're finally in rebuilding mode. But they're not. If they were they wouldn't be too concerned with how a young player does in such a small sample size. Why trade for Wallace if you were not going to commit to him and let him work through his struggles? It is a step in the wrong direction, and makes the front office look like they don't have any foresight.

Moving Lee to first base does decrease his impact on the defense, but the Astros do not have a better hitting prospect than Wallace to play in left field. Every game Wallace sits is one more game he isn't going to be able to prove himself. One more game sat is one more game in which you have no evaluation for him, pushing back further a determination of what you have with Wallace. For a team supposedly in rebuilding mode that should be the priority.

Alyson mentioned the silver lining in sending Wallace to Triple-A will at least provide positional depth at first base. If the Astros can't commit to Wallace now that's all he will be.

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I think its a ridiculous idea! Not only for next season, either. This isn’t something that will effect just next year because Carlos Lee is under contract through 2012. If this is what we commit to, are we pushing Wallace to AAA for two years and into Quad-A pergatory so that Lee can play 1B for the next two seasons? Because if we move Lee to 1B, Ed Wade will probably sign a FA LFer and I doubt we’ll find anyone useful for anything less than a two or three year contract. If this is how we are going to handle Wallace, I would have rather have kept Anthony Gose.

The only silver lining I can possibly see in this is that maybe JD Martinez will get a chance to compete in ST for the LF spot. I was not a fan of Footer’s Twitter arguments or her blog last night. It made me cringe…

by Subber10 on Sep 22, 2010 9:31 AM CDT reply actions  

To me, the “hole” in the Lee argument is that Lee was a good productive hitter in LF for 10 years; the boredom of LF didn’t seem to affect his production in those years. So, yes, the argument by Footer is real stretch.

The Astros’ success in the second half of this season (see this article in USA Today), has caused more fans (like those in Chip’s fanblog, or at the Astrosdaily forum) to expect the Astros to be in contention next year. I am skeptical, but I could see Drayton McLane ordering some acquisitions with that line of thinking.
Then you have this “Carlos Lee at first base in 2011, Can you dig it?” by Richard Justice. He refers to the radio guys’ discussion, and says, that a lineup of Hunter Pence, Carlos Lee, and Chris Johnson is “pretty darned good.” This article by Zachary Levine suggests that the Astros could take the free agent route for LF next year if Lee plays first base.

by clack on Sep 22, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry, got the Justice linked screwed up. Here it is.

by clack on Sep 22, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

utter nonsense by Justice as always

‘pretty darned good.’
how do you quantify such a statement.

As for any notion of signing a big FA like Carl Crawford.

by AstroB on Sep 22, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

That is a hole for sure. If that is the case, that is a problem with lee and his commitment to the team. My concern is pretty much the same as timmys. I don’t trust drayton to leave wade alone and will likely force him to Attempt to sign a Carl Crawford type lfer and we’ll be in the same situation we were in the to start this season. It would be a step back.

by Subber10 on Sep 22, 2010 12:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

As much as I’d love to drool over a lineup with Crawford and Bourn 1 and 2 (or vice versa), it ain’t happening. We specifically dealt for Brett Wallace in a separate deal after the Oswalt trade – take the time to develop him. They supposedly wanted them, no sense in not finishing what they started.

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by Elephande on Sep 23, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed, it would be a great top of the order but I don’t want him in an Astros uniform as long as we have Carlos Lee. I think this team needs to finish what they started and commit to Wallace. Although, I am with clack, that if Wallace struggles early next season, send him to AAA to iron things out. Not because he won’t help us compete, because I don’t think we will, but because it would be better for his development. Continuing to struggle will not help him long term next year, he will take his lumps, but if he’s not showing that he’s adjusting, he needs to go back to AAA. I really hope, for Wallace’s sake, that Bagwell comes back as the hitting coach.

by Subber10 on Sep 23, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wallace has played 201 games at AAA, what else does he have to prove at that level.

by AstroB on Sep 22, 2010 9:54 AM CDT reply actions  

I don’t think it’s a matter of proving anything in AAA; it’s the fact that AAA can be a better environment to learn how to make adjustments. Chris Johnson played a lot of games in AAA, but I absolutely think he benefitted from being sent back to AAA earlier this season. He knew what he needed to work on, based on what happened in ML at bats, and he made those adjustments in AAA.

I’m not saying that Wallace should be sent back to AAA next season—I think some of these articles (I include McTaggert) are way too premature in making judgements. Wallace may be suffering some bad luck so far in the majors, but there is no questioning that he is struggling at the plate. Some of the swings and misses are cringe-worthy and give me the impression that he needs to make some adjustments. If Wallace struggles at the plate in spring training or during the first couple of months next season, the best possible direction for his development may be to send him back to AAA to work on particular adjustments. Relatively few hitting prospects are like Pujols, Braun or Pence when they reach the majors. It is relatively common for prospects to struggle for awhile in the majors and then go back to AAA and return with better results. (Morgan Ensberg, Lance Berkman, and Luke Scott are examples among the Astros.) So that’s why I would not view a AAA trip for Wallace next year as necessarily a bad thing. However, I think it depends less on results, and more the coaches’ evaluation.

by clack on Sep 22, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

The problem I have with your comparison is that all three of the guys you mentioned the teams were either coming off a winning season or heading into a season with aspirations to compete.

This team did not compete this year and they have to many holes to compete next year. That doesn’t mean they won’t but when they traded Berkman and Oswalt they entered rebuilding mode. To not fully embrace the rebuild or only embrace it for two months and then prepare to compete next year is short sighted, and that’s the biggest problem I have with it.

by Timothy De Block on Sep 22, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

This kind of move is the same type of move the Astros have made for the last several years, that keep them in the bottom half of the league.

by Timothy De Block on Sep 22, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

My point is that it is possible that the best way to develop Wallace might be to send him back to AAA. He may not be a success in the majors unless that is done. Again, I’m not saying that will be the case—but it could turn out that way. So that it is an independent question from comparing it to what the Astros have done in the past. If the coaches reach that conclusion next season, then the best path to developing the team is to do that.

I think what is relevant to your concern is whether the Astros go the free agent route in LF in order to contend, which does seem like the kind of decision which could hinder rebuilding.

by clack on Sep 22, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I really don’t have a problem with Wallace going to AAA next year, I think there’s more than one way to get something done, but the focus has got to be on Wallace.

If Wallace is tearing it up in AAA, but so is Lee and the who ever plays left field, Wallace is now stuck in AAA. If they sign a guy like Carl Crawford, and both he and Lee are struggling is Wallace going to be called up? probably not.

Now Wallace still does have to prove himself, but I’d rather them focus on Plan A (rebuilding mode), rather than coming up with a new plan and trying to squeeze him in it.

by Timothy De Block on Sep 22, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

mean to add

rather than coming up with a new plan after less than two months and trying to squeeze him in it.

by Timothy De Block on Sep 22, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, you’ve got a good point.

by clack on Sep 22, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

If they're set on spending money

How about instead of signing a left fielder, we trade for Dan Uggla and sign him to a three or four year deal, just to get us over until DDJ (maybe Altuve or Paredes) is ready? He’s not a good defender, but he brings a first baseman’s bat at second base, and could probably play there for a few more years before being forced off the position.

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by OremLK on Sep 22, 2010 11:41 AM CDT reply actions  

an intriguing idea

Uggla made $7.8m arbitration last year, so maybe the Fish will want to move him if he’s making $9m.

Hypothetically, what bait would you use on your hook for such a fish?

by AstroB on Sep 22, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

How about Keppinger for Uggla straight up?

They want to extend Uggla for essentially the same money they are paying him right now, so clearly they are in the market for a second baseman. Kepp is cheaper and has more years of team control left, but he’s not as good. Seems like a pretty fair swap overall.

The Astros can probably afford to pay Uggla a bit more than the Marlins can, and perhaps come to a compromise lower than the 5 year/$58M mark his camp is floating at the moment; maybe 4/$40M, for example.

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by OremLK on Sep 22, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure the fan base would go nuts over that trade. While it may make sense as far as value and cost control, they lose a lot of offensive production. If it gets close to the point where the marlins not giving him a contract or trading, it could work.

by Subber10 on Sep 22, 2010 2:30 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

The Marlins aren’t exactly known for catering to the perceptions of their fanbase and putting winning first. Point taken, though. Might be easier as a deadline deal.

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by OremLK on Sep 22, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I still hope the Astros are sacrificing Wallace’s playing time this year in order to raise Lee’s trade value to get rid of him this offseason. I would be more than fine with that.

by Dramatist on Sep 22, 2010 12:14 PM CDT reply actions  

This is my interpretation

Mid-season this year, Lee’s only proven value was at the plate, which limited trade possibilities to AL teams that need a DH and NL teams with GMs that don’t pay attention to defense.

Think of it as showcasing Lee, proving that he can hold his own at 1B with a glove…this would expand possible trade teams to all of those above, plus those who need a first baseman. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Astros eat a lot of Lee’s salary this offseason just to move him off.

As for Wallace, I wonder if the Astros are going to get him some playing time in the AFL this offseason.

by AstroAndy on Sep 22, 2010 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I really hope that is the case. As far as getting wallace time in the AFL, it could be an option, bit I doubt it. Wallace is a bit too advanced for the league that has mostly hitters from A+ and AA. The Astros recently revised their roster by taking off tj Steele and adding Brandon barnes and jay Austin! I’m really excited to see what Austin does.

by Subber10 on Sep 22, 2010 7:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Here’s an article on Uggla.

by AstroB on Sep 22, 2010 5:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Uggla is one of the better Rule 5 picks of recent years.

by clack on Sep 22, 2010 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

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