Beltran, Lindstrom Combine To Ruin Monday In 3-1 Loss
Ugh, the Astros did it again. They made me feel bad all over again for losing Carlos Beltran in the winter of 2004. Joe In Birmingham made a good point that Beltran was never serious about signing with Houston. That may be so, but I think it was more about his agent, Scott Boras, not wanting to sign in Houston. If the Astros had offered him a comparable deal to the Mets, he would have been patrolling MMP's center field lo these many years.
But, the past is the past. I'd talk about Matt Lindstrom's disastrous ninth inning here, but I feel it will get overblown by everyone else. The dude is struggling big-time right now and I wonder if the Astros will put him on the DL soon just to get his head right and rest his back.
No, the bigger issue I want to talk about is lineup construction. Stephen does a wonderful job of talking about how to optimize the lineup via THE BOOK and linear weight and a whole bunch of stuff I only understand fuzzily. Instead, I want to be simple in my question. Why the heck aren't our three best hitters batting 3-4-5? Or 2-3-4 for that matter?
Hunter Pence, Chris Johnson and Brett Wallace should be the center of the batting order. Those are the three biggest offensive weapons on the team. Johnson and Pence are ridiculously locked in right now and were two of the only guys hitting bullets off Jon Niese in this one. Wallace looked good at the plate, showing a maturity with that double down the third base line as they shifted the defense on him. That's what you want out of middle of the order guys.
The only reason you're not doing this is because of Carlos Lee. Slow, old Carlos Lee. He who doesn't walk nor strike out. That's who you stick in the cleanup spot constantly. Why not drop him to sixth? If you have to play him because of that contract, why not make a productive lineup? As a sixth hitter, Carlos isn't bad. He has the right mix of power and contact skills to be an asset there. As a cleanup batter after Pence? He's a liability.
So, for all that's holy Brad Mills, go with the kids. If I have to watch one more off-balance swing or grounder from El Bufalo after Pence hits a bullet into the outfield, I'm gonna scream. (and yes, I remember Lee won that game on Friday. That's one game and doesn't predict future results).
Alas, I'm sure this won't come up for the rest of the season. But, I want to go on record as saying this is the lineup that should be working. Bourn, Kepp, Pence, CJ and Wallace, that's change I can get behind.
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lindstrom is pissing me off
anyway a lineup that would be interesting would be
Bourn
Pence
CJ
Wallace
Lee
Kepp
Sanchez
Castro
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Aug 16, 2010 10:34 PM CDT reply actions
from wates
austinwates
The funny thing about Houston is ITS MY NEW HOME!
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Aug 16, 2010 10:45 PM CDT reply actions
jimcallisBA
#Astros sign 3rd-rd pick Austin Wates for $550,000. #mlbdraft
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Aug 16, 2010 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions
from kieth law
Astros sign Austin Wates for $550K. Scouting report for Insiders: http://klaw.me/ay2AFg One of my favorite bats in this draft.
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Aug 16, 2010 10:53 PM CDT reply actions
bourn
kepp
pence
cj
wallace
lee
castro
sanchez
-love kepps bat control for the two spot.
-i like an athletic three hole hitter… 25/20 isnt bad from the three hole
-i think castro is a tired dude… he hasn’t much of a break since signing. i think hell end up being a good OBP hitter. i think an off-season will serve him well. Soak things up abit.
by strokin_stros on Aug 16, 2010 10:54 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
That looks about right
Mills had no problem dropping Berkman down. I surprised he’s held out so long on dropping Lee down. Do you guys really think Bourn is a leadoff man for the next couple of seasons? That OBP isn’t looking too hot. If he could consistently get on at around a .360 pace and see a lot of pitches I’d take it with his speed, but I just don’t think it’s going to happen at this point. There aren’t any other options this season, and I love having him on the feild for sure, so he should be there now, but what about next season and beyond?
I might vary the batting order depending on whether the opposing starting pitcher is LH or RH. Lee should probably be in the clean up spot against a LHP and drop down a slot or two vs. RHP. My recollection is that when Berkman was dropped lower in the batting order, it was because a LHP was starting. Bourn is not a good lead off hitter against LHP. Keppinger should move up higher against LHP.
Agreed with playing the match-up game with the LHP v RHP. Seems like Mills has a good feel for the match-up game. On bourn I have to say on not sold on him. Its possible that hes pressing with the added leadership role and expectations. Also, he made a major adjustment last year in becoming a hitter and it seems as if the league has adjusted back. I would wait for the end of next year before completely judging bourn as a major league hitter.
by strokin_stros on Aug 17, 2010 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Carlos Beltan and Scott Boras
My references to Carlos Beltran having no intention of signing with Houston more precisely should have been stated Scott Boras wanted Beltran to sign with Yankees, and if that fell through to settle for the Mets. Boras was not interested in salary alone, but in the endorsement deals he saw flashing if Beltran was a superstar in NYC.
Boras was scum for sure; but Boras could not force Carlos Beltran to do anything. Beltran had the final say every step of the way. Persuade, advise, and cajole is all Boras could do. Everything Boras did in that deal has to be attributed to Beltran since Beltran chose to go along with the shenanigans. He could have told Boras it was dishonorable and unprofessional and distasteful to manipulate Houston management the way he did. but Beltran marched lockstep with Boras the whole way.
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Aug 16, 2010 10:58 PM CDT reply actions
You’re right on point. Beltran let himself be led by Boras and he’s just as culpable, as is the entire front office for being held hostage by the whole process. Just an unfortunate situation all around.
I’m a simple man. I like pretty, dark-haired women and breakfast foods.
--Ron F'ing Swanson
by David Coleman on Aug 16, 2010 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I don’t have a problem with what Carlos Beltran did. He went for the money. 99.9% of players will go for the money, when given a choice. Boras was doing what he is paid to do—maximize his client’s pay out. I don’t think it was pre-ordained that Beltran wouldn’t re-sign with Houston, but he and Boras knew it was unlikely that Houston would match what the Mets would give. If the Astros had surprised them by doing so, I have little doubt he would have signed with Houston. Sure, Boras uses teams as leverage against each other; that is part of the agent’s job. He is a lawyer. And most of the lawyers I know would use every bit of leverage they can in negotiations. The Astros went into a high stakes poker game with a rookie GM, only months on the job, who was used to playing Old Maid.
anyone hearing about some of our later picks
like Jacoby? deadline just passed
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Aug 16, 2010 11:06 PM CDT reply actions
No word from anyone else so far. Will probably trickle out as night goes on.
I’m a simple man. I like pretty, dark-haired women and breakfast foods.
--Ron F'ing Swanson
by David Coleman on Aug 16, 2010 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions
central signings
buccos get tallion and allie
cards get cox on MLB deal…don’t get wilson
brewers don’t get their first rounder
reds get grandal
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Aug 16, 2010 11:13 PM CDT reply actions
brianmctaggart
It’s official. Wates is the only signing of the day for Astros. www.astros.com
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Aug 16, 2010 11:19 PM CDT reply actions
thescorer
#Astros haven’t signed any players other than Wates tonight. Adam Plutko (Rd 6, UCLA-bound) is highest unsigned pick. -Z
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Aug 16, 2010 11:21 PM CDT reply actions
so we saved money from the oswalt/berkman deals for who?
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Aug 16, 2010 11:22 PM CDT reply actions
Went to the game for my birthday
Had a blast, saw Wandy pitch a nice game but I did start (or try to start) a “Lindstrom Sucks” chant.
cause that really helped Lidge get right.
by Timothy De Block on Aug 17, 2010 7:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Whoa, whoa...
Let Wallace hit a homer first, then he can be called a weapon. We’re not going to win anything in 2010, so why put extra pressure on Johnson and Wallace by batting them 4th and 5th? Let them build confidence batting a spot or two lower.
I agree
I was going to mention that this is a lost season, so I’m not bothered Mills isn’t maximizing his lineup.
by Timothy De Block on Aug 17, 2010 7:29 AM CDT up reply actions

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