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Random Weekend Astros Thoughts

 Here's some of the random things I've been thinking about in the past week...

 

Felipe Paulino has me worried. When he originally went on the disabled list, I thought it was a product of the Astros wanting to limit his innings. Turns out that shoulder tendinitis was a little more serious than let on. While he may not have to have surgery, it's a distinct possibility. This late in the season, it's doubtful the Astros will count on Paulino as a part of the Opening Day rotation.

Chris Johnson doesn't have a shot at winning National League Rookie of the Year, but he may be the Astros top rookie this season. 

Brett Myers feels like a top-line starter, doesn't he? When I see his rotation turn pop up in the past two months, I've felt like the Astros have a good shot at winning the game no matter what. Felt that way with Oswalt and am beginning to feel the same way with Happ.

I'm impressed with the lack of main-stream panic over Jason Castro. His season hasn't gone according to plan offensively, but he's acquitted himself nicely overall. I really think the Astros were planning on bringing him up later this season, but the black hole at catcher forced him to be called up early. 

While Tommy Manzella seems totally recovered from his injury, the Astros have talked about him retooling his swing while on rehab. I've read before that they can leave him on rehab for three full weeks. He's already spent seven games in the minors, so that means he's got about 14 days left. Could the Astros be trying to put off a roster move that lets someone on this current team go by keeping him down in the minors till rosters expand? Maybe that was the plan all along...

Is Hunter Pence the best offensive player on the team? Is it Johnson? Is it Carlos Lee?

Lots of talk about the draft signing deadline on Monday. It all boils down to "advisors" and players not wanting to negotiate till right up until the deadline and the commissioner's office not approving over-slot signings until later in the process. Astros still negotiating with three guys, Austin Wates, Adam Plutko and JaCoby Jones. Bobby Heck was optimistic on signing two of the three. I'm less so. Wates will probably sign and I think Plutko might be a dark-horse as the other signee.

Have you seen the pics of DDJ's forearms from his debut with the GCL Astros? Dude can generate some power from there. That's one of the reasons I think he can hit for more power than scouts project him for.

Did you read Zach Levine's piece on Jordan Lyles? It might be time to rein in the expectations on this kid some. I like him as much as any prospect since Ben Zobrist, but this is ridiculous. He's like Houston's Strasburg.

In a completely self-serving moment, I was looking over my mini-scouting reports on the Day Two selections from 2009 earlier this week and was surprised with some of them. For instance, I predicted that David Berner wouldn't be phased by the hitting environment up in Lancaster. Lo and behold, he's got an ERA right at 3.00 in 56 innings. On the bad calls? Misspelling Dallas Keuchel's name and being really high on Brandon Wikoff were not my best moments. Also was interesting to read my take on Robbie Donovan in the context of his Lexington numbers.

I'm bummed about this whole Rangers sale on a number of levels. Not only are the Astros losing Round Rock as an affiliate, not only are they losing the possibility of Nolan Ryan buying the team, but the price of the team has to move up a bit after the Rangers sold for as much as they did. The two franchises are valued very similarly, even with the difference in debt-to-value ratios. That will make it harder to sell the team in the future.

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Justice's piece the other day

made it sound as if Lyles is a lock for the 2011 rotation. I stay calm by reminding myself Justice has no clue what he’s talking about, or at least I hope he doesn’t.

Also the possibility that the Rangers will steal Corpus from us after 2012.

by AstroB on Aug 14, 2010 10:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Lyles is virtually a lock to be in the rotation at some point in 2011, but hopefully he won’t be there opening day. Would be rushing him pointlessly. However, I will be shocked if he doesn’t make any starts in an Astros uniform next season.

by OremLK on Aug 14, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

take flip flop justice with a grain of salt…

by strokin_stros on Aug 14, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Always

However, it’s just common sense that Lyles will see ML action next year if he’s healthy and doesn’t fall off a cliff. At the latest I would imagine he would get a September callup. But since they promoted him to AAA this year instead of waiting until next season, I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see Lyles make his MLB debut in June or July.

by OremLK on Aug 14, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree.

I think they will probably have him on the same timetable next year as they put Castro on this year. There are 5 guys signed for next year (Myers, Wandy, Paulino, Norris, Happ) who deserve to open the season in the rotation. They’ll let the beginning of next year start with those 5 (unless they sign a FA) and see how Lyles does in RR. If an injury/poor performance occurs in the MLB rotation, they’ll call him up, but I would imagine he would come up in June or July, since they’ll be trying to avoid Super Two status.

by Snake Diggity on Aug 16, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Some thoughts

It sounds like Paulino will not need surgery, from what I’ve read. Apparently there has been improvement, but he still needs more rest. His condition can take 1-3 months to rehab, so it’s not surprising that he is still down and out, however frustrating it may be for him. That said, I still expect him to be healthy for opening day next year.

On DDJ, I think the reason scouts don’t think he will hit for above average power is that his swing isn’t at all tailored for it. It reminds me of Bourn’s swing, and looks like it will produce a lot of groundballs unless he makes some significant mechanical adjustments. He certainly has the strength though.

by OremLK on Aug 14, 2010 11:02 AM CDT reply actions  

Who's the fifth?

If Paulino is hurt, and everyone wants Lyles to start at AAA, who’s the fifth starter next year? Figueroa? Wright? Moehler? Banks? Tim Redding? Ehhh.

by jmike on Aug 14, 2010 12:00 PM CDT reply actions  

A free agent maybe

Perhaps Arguello or Keuchel. But like I said, it sounds like there’s a very good chance Paulino will be healthy for next year.

by OremLK on Aug 14, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

James Andrews

must be the wealthiest doctor in the world by now. It seems like every sports star with an injury gets to visit him in Birmingham, Ala.

by AstroB on Aug 14, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Andrews’ clinic has state of the art analytical tools to advise pitchers on how they can change their mechanics to avoid future injuries. I wonder if Andrews also did a work up on his pitching delivery.

by clack on Aug 14, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

James Andrews owned a boat that competed in the America's Cup

so I think he’s doing well financially.

Check out what else he does (plus he has six kids) – how does he have the time ?

http://www.andrewscenters.com/getpage.php?name=andrews

Astros fan for life

by Joe in Birmingham on Aug 14, 2010 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

The money will be there if they need to sign a middle of the road FA. Depending on how Norris finishes the year, I doubt they sign a FA and just start with Myers, Wandy, Happ, Paulino, and Norris. If Paulino is hurt, I would imagine they would sign a free agent to take his place. If they don’t do that, I would guess spring training would decide between Figgy, Wright, Arguello, Banks, Keuchel, Lyles, and whatever other minor league FA’s they bring in. Not really on board with bringing Keuchel, Lyles or Arguello into the rotation to start next year.

by Snake Diggity on Aug 16, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

The money will be there if they need to sign a middle of the road FA. Depending on how Norris finishes the year, I doubt they sign a FA and just start with Myers, Wandy, Happ, Paulino, and Norris. If Paulino is hurt, I would imagine they would sign a free agent to take his place. If they don’t do that, I would guess spring training would decide between Figgy, Wright, Arguello, Banks, Keuchel, Lyles, and whatever other minor league FA’s they bring in. Not really on board with bringing Keuchel, Lyles or Arguello into the rotation to start next year.

by Snake Diggity on Aug 16, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Wade will bring in one or more starting pitcher free agents. They could be NRIs or could just be really cheap free agents. The possibility of a higher cost free agent pitcher is much less likely, IMO. But the injury rebound candidates are the type of starting pitchers which Wade likes to take a risk on. They provide some insurance in the event that the internal candidates for the rotation don’t go according to plan—as well as providing some spring training competition, which is always good.

by clack on Aug 16, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like the phrase.

“you can never have enough pitching”

by Timothy De Block on Aug 16, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Manzella’s rehab seems to be going really well, but I still hope Sanchez gets (95%) of the starts at SS.

I don’t really want either one of those 2 platooning at 2B either. I’d like to keep Keppinger pretty much in the lineup every day.

I think Bogusevic is ready, but I don’t think there are enough AB’s up here in the “Bigs” to justify bringing him up right now.

Just a few things on my mind…..

by PeteyNhtown on Aug 14, 2010 1:05 PM CDT reply actions  

I may way be off on Bogusevic. I’m not an expert on minor leaguer’s. I’d just like to see him given a chance. With Lee, Bourn and Pence here (which I like all 3), where would the AB’s come from?…I guess I’m not so sure.

by PeteyNhtown on Aug 14, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe sit Lee once or twice a week and Pence once a week.

by pacbellpilgrim on Aug 14, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would like to see Bogusevic given a good amount of at bats in September when callups come around.

by AstroB on Aug 14, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

CJ - Astros' best hitter

CJ is much more productive per at bat than anyone else. Nearly 8 runs created per 27 at bats, according to EPSN. A couple of other guys just above 5 (Michaels, Wallace). Others between 4 and 5 (Pence, Keppinger, Sanchez, Bourn). Lee below 4. Bad baserunning probably brings Pence down some.

by pacbellpilgrim on Aug 14, 2010 1:21 PM CDT reply actions  

He's been the most productive

But he’s also had a lot of luck on balls in play, with a lot of balls finding holes and dropping in. Don’t get me wrong, I think there is a chance he could be our best hitter moving forward, but I don’t think we can know for sure between CJ, Lee, Pence, and Wallace.

by OremLK on Aug 14, 2010 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Moving forward they are all probably pretty close. Pence and Lee are the known entities, while there is much more uncertainty about how the younger two will develop.

by pacbellpilgrim on Aug 14, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I keep thinking that

if CJ lowers his hands a bit he might be able to get more elevation in his swing. He has the strength to hit for more HR’s.

by StrosSouth on Aug 16, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Paulino: I’m more encouraged by Paulino’s condition after reading his reaction to the second opinion from Andrews. Paulino now has the peace of mind that he won’t need surgery in the future, and he is very optimistic. Paulino thinks there is still a chance that he will get back on the field this season, but the Astros probably will be more cautious. It sounds like Paulino was pushing his rehab to too quickly, and now is aware that he needs to be more careful. I don’t think the Astros will be leaving Paulino out of their plans for the rotation next year (and I hope not); Mills said that he wants to be very careful with bringing Paulino back this year, because his talent is “special.”

Manzella: An article in the Austin American Statesman a couple of days ago said that Manzella is scheduled to make five more starts at Round Rock. That could mean he will be coming off the DL next week.

Lyles I mentioned a week or so ago that I was worried that the media attention would get the fans so worked up about Lyles that the front office might be forced by “marketing considerations” to promote him even if it isn’t in the long term best interests of him and the team. I already see some fans on the chron.com blogs pleading for the Astros to call up Lyles so that he will be the first teenager in the NL since Doc Gooden to start a major league team. (Can you ask yourself, could there be a reason no teenager has made a pitching start in the NL since the mid-80s?) And I’m sure Drayton would like to fill up MMP and get a bunch of media hoopla for Lyles. Short, the owner of the Rangers fell for the same marketing gimmicks when David Clyde started in the majors for Texas. (And what happened to Clyde after that?)

by clack on Aug 14, 2010 2:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Wandy

Definitely feeling good about our chances when it’s his turn. Too bad we blew his last two gems.

Reliz Feliz!

by RocketsAstros on Aug 14, 2010 2:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Heath's 3 HR game in Lexington

Here is an article in milb.com about Heath’s big game. Looking at that photo of him batting—he looks really young. Heath had 2 plate appearances to tie the League record with 4 HRs in a game. The first chance, he hit a long fly ball which was almost a HR, caught at the RF fence. The second PA, he was walked by the opposing team.

by clack on Aug 14, 2010 2:42 PM CDT reply actions  

He's younger than his age, in a way, too

In baseball development terms, I mean. That’s one of the things which makes his performance level so exciting. His freshman season he essentially didn’t play at all, just seventeen at bats, and he got less than 100 at bats in his sophomore season. So, he only has a little more baseball experience than a college freshman.

by OremLK on Aug 14, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

IF we dont sign....

Plutko, or Jones, or really anyone else before the deadline, Id like to know why the !% not? ALMOST every other team out there is going over slot for players. Why arent we? Seriousy, if it takes 2 million to sign JJ – do it. Im sure it takes around 750 – 950 for Plutko, why not just spend it? We spent 4.5 million aon Pedro freakin Feliz!! We cant spend 3 million on 2 very high upside kids?

I read this updates at BA about all these teams going over slot/record slot (especially the O’s and Pirates, Royals – they know what it takes!) and it makes me sick to my stomach, because I know that Astros Brass is gonna say “well we tried, but the price just wasnt there. BUT we did sign 38 of our guys”, BS!!!! You take BPA, not best player that will sign, you make him sign, you just saved yourself MILLIONS by trading expensive vets.

You stop picking lower ceiling guys just b/c they will sign, inplace of HIGH CEILING talent. And of course we fans will say “Yeah, it was a decent draft” WE need a HOMERUN draft, not a decent freakin draft! Sign Plutko, sign JJ. Period. Next year, pick a JJ type guy in the 3rd round or 2nd if he warrants it, or if you pick him in the 16th (or wherever) and get the fanbase all riled up about it, make sure you actually pay him the money he wants to forego college.

  A year ago we had a few shots at Wil Myers, and we didnt take him b/c he would be over slot. Now look. Im so glad we took Tannner freakin Bushue. Sometimes the consensus picks, are the consensus picks for a reason. Sure you can find diamonds in the rough, but its gonna be few and far between.

Personally, Im tired of hearing excuses like Im sure well hear with the non signings of Plutko and JJ. Sorry, Plutko is not gonna sign for 150K, he wont sign for 250K – and he shouldn’t – so oh well, dont wanna piss Bud off. When we get a top 5 pick next year, we had better be wiling to spend some $$$ man!!!

I guess Im done with my rant. Let me know if you agree.

by Logan Haire on Aug 14, 2010 5:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Sorry, Disagree

We have gone overslot for the past three years to sign guys. I’m not willing to give JJ 2 million. He’s not worth it. Yes, they said they were willing to take him with their first pick but consensus said 3rd round. Why should they pay 2 million for a 3rd rounder. The kid is way too high on himself which to me indicates character flaws. Sounds like a self promoting, male diva! But, that’s my opinion. Even if they did offer 2 million, I have my doubts that Bud Selig would even sign off on it. That amount for such a later round is so unprecedented that and completely ruin any hope for a standard hard slotting.

Plutko is a different story. I think we will sign him. If not, I don’t think it will be the bonus that prevents him. He has said that he really wants to go to UCLA and be a part of their stellar pitching staff and go to the CWS. That is a big deal! He has a solid chance at that. Sometimes, the money is not necesarily the issue.

There is no such thing as a homerun draft right now. It takes 10 years to know if any draft is a ‘homerun’. We have taken big shots at high upside players. DDJ is a high upside/low floor pick. There is no arguing against that. Thats everyones opinion of him. Velasquez and Folty are both high upside guys. Wates is a high floor type though. This was a very ceiling driven draft IMO. Look at Rodney Quintero! That guy has a ridiculous arm and if he can harness his FB and develop some decent secondary stuff, he has great potential! For other years, Lyles, Telvin Nash can mash, Jay Austin. Your so called Tanner ‘freaking’ Bushue whom you insinuated is a bust already has shown flashes of brilliance with his bad times. He is a project with solid potential too.

I have to disagree with you. I like our draft, a lot! We have some serious steals blossoming already with Heath and Wallace at catcher. I think this is the best draft of the three that Heck has done. Sure, I would have gone with somebody else with our first and third picks in the 1st round/supp. but I like their potential

by Subber10 on Aug 14, 2010 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Regarding JJ

The consensus from other teams was that JJ wouldn’t sign unless given ridiculous money, which is why he fell so far.

by Timothy De Block on Aug 14, 2010 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

That is why he fell to where he was drafted. He was considered a 3rd round prospect. That was his talent level, not his signability.

by Subber10 on Aug 14, 2010 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's not really that simple

There’s real value in being efficient with your money. Baseball America called Jones a “third round talent with a first round price tag”, heavily implying that he wasn’t worth his market cost. Clearly, no other team in the first 18 rounds thought he was worth his price tag either.

Plutko has middle rotation upside, but he’s raw and may never reach that level. He’s not a particularly high ceiling prospect and I don’t care that much if we don’t sign him.

If you’re efficient with your money, you can use the money you save on better prospects for the same price. For instance, the Astros just spent almost $3 million on one of the top international prospects, Ariel Ovando. In fact, they’ve spent a lot of money on international free agents this year; that was just the biggest of a number of fairly expensive prospects purchased from the Dominican Republic and elsewhere.

And, in fact, they did go overslot on some players from this draft, most recently Delino DeShields, who got, if I remember right, a couple hundred thousand more than slot bonus.

Don’t get me wrong. If it were me I would place a higher priority on signing draft prospects than anything else and I want them to sign Jones. But that’s more because I am higher on Jones than most talent evaluators, and that I think organizations don’t spend enough to get good prospects away from college in general. But if they don’t sign him, I will at least understand. It’s certainly not a slam dunk proposition in terms of how they spend the money and they aren’t doing anything different from other organizations.

by OremLK on Aug 14, 2010 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

wow this is not looking good at all

...buy the ticket, take the ride

by Loflin 75 on Aug 14, 2010 6:09 PM CDT reply actions  

woops wrong tread.

...buy the ticket, take the ride

by Loflin 75 on Aug 14, 2010 6:12 PM CDT reply actions  

I’d overpay for both Plutko and JJ.

If I had the cash, then I might even give JJ ridiculous money.

I hope they get it done for both. We will see.

by PeteyNhtown on Aug 14, 2010 6:30 PM CDT reply actions  

well maybe not ridiculous money.

I really hope Plutko signs though.

by PeteyNhtown on Aug 14, 2010 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

So I see what yall are saying. And you do make valid points. But what do yall think about us going for non consensus possibly/probably bargains?

 Meaning, this guy “so and so” is rated as a say. a 5th round talent, so – lets pop him in say the 3rd round, and instead of having to give him an overslot bonus in the 5th or later, we give em slot in the 3rd. Can we honestly say that we didnt have Athony Ranuando or Brett Eibner or any of the other consensus top 20-30 guys before Mike Kvasiniaka in terms of overall talent?

 OR more likely can we say we talked to Kvasinaka and he indicated he would sign for close to slot around the supp -2nd round or so, and we can save money. Becasue those other guys would cost too much. We need to be spending 10 million atleast on this draft. Why shouldn’t we??? But we wont.
So… if we saved money on MKvack – which Im certain we did – where is all that money going to? Have we gone over slot on any players after the 6th round? Im just saying Id rather pay more 4 for a Ranuado or Eibner and risk losing 1 or 2 of the 150k guys later on who will definitely sign for slot, b/c theyre probably just gonna end up being minor league filler anyway.

And sure you can say “well every club does that”, sure they do, BUT you have drafts like the Red Sox – who are going to put A TON of $$$ into this draft – and they will most likely be rewarded for it – and the O’s, and Royals. The Royals (and before them the Rangers) are not scared to take BPA – and it should pay off very soon – my point is – WE ARE. We wont pay for the BPA, were looking for a @*&#*! Bargain basically. That’s not gonna cut it.
I think we’ve been EXTREMELY lucky to have obtained Brett Wallace, b/c it seems like we got a do-over on the 1st round of the 08 draft. Seems like we needed it. I just hope we dont pass up Rendon, or Purke or Cole if they fall to us next year – that kind of talent can carry a team, and thats what we need, not to be looking for bargains or easy signability players.

by Logan Haire on Aug 15, 2010 12:44 AM CDT reply actions  

I honestly don’t think that’s what Heck does. Heck never followed consensus, even when he was with the Brewers. Heck likes what he likes and goes with it. He is one of the most respected scouting directors in MLB and I have no reason to doubt his talent evaluation. You named Ranaudo as a guy we could have taken and I’m excited we didnt take him. I said multiple times before the draft I did not want Ranaudo because I have serious doubts about his ability to be a starting pitcher and doubts about his ability to stay healthy. Luckily, Heck doesn’t like college pitchers early.

Theres a lot more to signing players than just throwing money out there. I’m not a fan of that philosophy. The yanks and red sox do it in every aspect of the organization and it makes me sick, thinking they can buy their way to a championship. I’m proud of the fact we aren’t a large market team and throw money around like peanuts in a Texas Road House. Would I spend more money on the draft, yes. Would I spend 10 million or more, most definitely not. The draft is a crap shoot and only a few players from any given draft will even debut on the ML team. You have to spend it wisely and on investments you think will pan out. They had already drafted two high upside guys in the first and probably were looking for a slot guy with comp pick. But, I’m happy with our comp pick. If he can stick at 3B, he will be a good 3B. He has great plate discipline, strong arm, and can hit for a little power.

You think our 08 draft needed a do-over? I’m very excited about our 08 draft. We have our first pick already contributing (although struggling) and second pick knocking on the door. Castro’s peripherals say he is very unlucky at this point and suggest much better numbers going forward along with his solid defensive play. Lyles is the real deal. Jay Austin is improving. Meszaros got screwed over and he is right there too.

by Subber10 on Aug 15, 2010 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dislike

the shady influence the Commissioners office seems to have with over-slot picks. If this is such an issue, I’d prefer every draft pick number to have a set price, and to hell with it all.

by AstroB on Aug 15, 2010 4:27 AM CDT reply actions  

I have to agree. He is sacrificing valuable development time to show he’s boss when he’s 99.9% likely to cave 2 weeks of the deadline. It’s ridiculous and makes him look like a joke.

by Subber10 on Aug 15, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

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