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The Astros Closer Role: Who's In...Does It Matter?

You cause so much strife, Matt...

After last night's debacle and subsequent questioning of Brad Mills about Matt Lindstrom's place as closer, I got to thinking about who would replace him. That led me to create a complicated, LOST-style comparison which you'll get after the jump. First, though, I wanted to ask if it matters for this team whether Lindstrom stays as the closer.

Most of you seem like pretty forward-thinking baseball fans. You have embraced the kind of concepts that Moneyball first put out there about finding value in unique places and not overvaluing the ninth inning because of a silly stat like saves. That means we shouldn't really care who that pitcher is, if the manager is willing to use his best reliever in the most important spot in the game.

I haven't seen evidence that Brad Mills does this, but would you like to see him move Lindstrom out of a traditional closer's role and use him wherever he can? Sometimes the seventh inning, sometimes the eighth, but always finding the best possible matchup. Lindstrom definitely has the best stuff on the staff, so would it be beneficial to move Lyon into that ninth inning role, but use Lindstrom as the "closer" without the stats?

I'm not sure that would ever happen. The other part of that question is does a team that's going to finish at least 10 games under .500 need a closer? Does it matter who's in the role? I'd argue that it does, if only so we don't have to be subjected to games like last night. Still, it's worth considering.

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Candidates (to take over for Jacob)

Matt Lindstrom (aka Jack) - Frustrating as all get out, Lindstrom/Jack has all the talent in the world. If only he could learn to harness it instead of playing God/throwing gopher balls. Lindstrom definitely has one of the best arms in the bullpen and deserves every opportunity to prove he's the best reliever on the team.

Brandon Lyon (aka Locke) - The wily veteran, who's got a dark past. For Lyon, it's the fact that everyone hates his contract, while for Locke, it's that whole business with his father. Lyon could probably do well in the closer role, but also represents everything that is wrong with the Astros thinking from the past few years, since he's older, has no room for growth and would be blocking younger players. Let's just hope he doesn't turn into a smoke monster.

Wilton Lopez (aka Hurley) - One of the best stories of the bullpen, Lopez gets it done without an overpowering arsenal. He's snuck in this year past the likes of Alberto Arias and Sammy Gervacio to become the newest solid arm in the bullpen. Like Hurley, he's well liked by fans and it'd be interesting to see what he could do in the closer's role.

Mark Melancon (aka Faraday) - Technically, Faraday isn't a candidate, just like technically Melancon probably isn't in line for the job. Having just been traded from the Yankees, Melancon wasn't particularly effective in his stint at Round Rock. Still, he's got the mentality/genius to pull it off and could become a valuable member of the back end of this relief staff.

Bud Norris (aka Kate) - Like Kate, his performance is maddeningly inconsistent, but also like Kate, his stuff is smoking hot. Norris has plenty of talent and probably shouldn't be in this discussion, since he looks like a rotation candidate for the near future. Much like Kate, who also dropped the whole candidate thing early on. I'm more optimistic now about Norris since he came off the DL, but we've still got a ways to go before we find out if he can legitimately stick in the rotation.

Danny Meszaros (aka Sawyer) - The bad boy of the island/bullpen. Meszaros was recently suspended for taking a pre-workout supplement that contained a banned substance which wasn't listed on the label. To me, that sounds an awful lot like the southern grifter, doesn't it? If only Meszaros had a penchant for coming up with snappy nicknames, the analogy would be complete. As it is, the only way he gets a shot at the closer's job is if it's still available next spring.

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Since I have never watched Lost, I have to admit to being “lost” in figuring out what the nicknames mean.

I agree with you that it is important to have reliable closer, even if the team is in a rebuilding mode. I think that blowing wins in the 9th is disheartening to the team, and probably doesn’t help the psyche of the other young players on the team. Would I favor a little more flexibility in terms of using multiple pitchers in the 9th, based on circumstance? Yes, but it’s not likely to happen because Mills has previously stated that he believes it is important to relief pitchers to have defined roles.

I would continue with Lindstrom in the closer role. Lindstrom hasn’t shown himself to be HR-prone this year, and the odds are that he has just hit a rough patch with some regression to mean on his flyballs leaving the ballpark. Since Lindstrom has such good stuff, I wouldn’t want to hurt his confidence by lifting him from the role on a whim. However, perhaps a little more rest, with Lyon or Lopez used on an occasional “easy save,” would help.

by clack on Aug 11, 2010 11:04 AM CDT reply actions  

Lindstrom

I think he just needs a break.

Blowing saves obviously takes a lot out of your confidence especially when they start to pile up.

Look at Lidge he was never the same in an astros uniform after the NLCS. He needed a change of scenery after that.

Maybe lindstrom needs a few days off or needs to come in to the game in a non save situation for a game just to work without having the pressure of closing maybe work him in a 7th inning just to get his confidence back that he can make the pitches. and not think about it too much.

My thinking is when a closer starts losing games its because he is thinking too much about locating his pitch and trying to be too fine with it instead of just throwing it. I think Lindstrom is definately our closer but sometimes just letting him work pressure free, could go a long way to keeping his confidence up.

Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity

by Ryan Perrio on Aug 11, 2010 11:24 AM CDT reply actions  

closer

astros are looking good in some ways. infield is SET for a long time.. gold glove in cf. pence is ok. catching is looking good, i expect castro to start hitting better, give him time. Q is good backup. need a left fielder, could we get a 5 tool guy? out of the minor leagues is better. CLOSER? lindstrom needs to be demoted or traded. lyons can fill the role. lyons is a really good pitcher. lindstrom relies too much on velocity. major league hitters like fastballs…..move lopez to 8th inning.. he gets the job done. the 7th inning can be by committee. the new guy who we just brought may be good. at some pt the astros are going to get a big dog starting pitcher to go with the really good staff we now have. happ goes almost 7 and gives up one run. geez. i really like the way the astros are shaping up. the following are trade bait…manzella (lost his job)..lindstrom (someone might want him)…pfeliz (someone might be interested)…clee ( have to eat a lot of salary, but lets get on with it) magnus

by Mike HJALM on Aug 11, 2010 12:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Lindstrom’s just hit a bad patch he’ll be fine as long as the manager and fans back him up.

Out of those pitchers though I’d only be comfortable with giving Wilton Lopez a shot at closing.

by Timothy De Block on Aug 11, 2010 12:34 PM CDT reply actions  

A closer with a back problem? No, thank you. Hand the job to Lyon.

by mike_o on Aug 11, 2010 2:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Lyon

to me he is more of a stop gap fix for the closer role.

Melancon has the tools… just needs to put it together… then he could be the closer of the future.

Lopez As good as he is his stuff isnt overwhelming enough to be an effective closer.

if you really wanted to be cruel you could give it to Byrdak or Sampson and fill minute maid park with tears..

Another option that may present itself if he keeps having injuries, Felipe Paulino if he proves that he cannot handle the role in the rotation his dazzling stuff would work wonders in the closer role.

Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity

by Ryan Perrio on Aug 11, 2010 2:55 PM CDT reply actions  

love the LOST comparison

maybe fulchino should be hurley…maybe we can get Desmond as Lopez

by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Aug 11, 2010 3:01 PM CDT reply actions  

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