Astros Tuesday Minor League Recap
by Subber10 on Aug 11, 2010 6:00 AM CDT
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Jordan Lyles debut in AAA Round Rock is of course the story of the minors yesterday. His line score gives you the best of good and bad while showing promise of things to come! He lasted six innings on 96 pitches, whuch is pretty decent efficiency. He induced five groundball outs and four flyball outs which is pretty nice. Although he gave up four runs on a solo homerun by Matt Carson (10th on the year) and three run shot by Dallas McPherson (his 14th). Those were two of the eight hits he surrendered. Now, this was his debut which is typically accompanied by butterflys, so I'm not worried about the homeruns and hits. He is a solid pitcher with a solid groundball rate and keeps the homeruns to a minimum.
He walked just one batter and hit another (first batter of the game), so he was still able to command his pitches for the most part. The highlight of the night though was that he struck out nine batters! To make that even better, seven were swinging strikeouts! Typically, Lyles is knocked for not have fantastic stuff, but you don't get that many whiffs without having above average stuff. I, unfortunately, don't have the greatest internet connection for the time-being, so I haven't shelled out for MiLB.TV and can't tell you how he looked. I plan on getting it next year, along with a better connection. So, hopefully someone like EHTR (who was at the game) or Orem who has MiLB.TV will let us know how he looked. His debut was much better than I expected!
Updated with Lancaster!
Round Rock lost 5-1
- Jordan Lyles (6.00)-6 IP, 8 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 1 BB, 9 SO
- Tommy Manzella (.500)-2-4, SO
- Brian Bogusevic (.297)-1-2, 2 BB, SB
Corpus Christi-Off
Lancaster lost 5-4
- Patrick Urkfitz (4.26)-4 IP, 9 H, 4 R, 3 ER, 1 BB, 3 SO, 1 HR
- Ashton Mowdy (5.30)-2 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 4 SO
- Jonathan Villar (.250)-0-5, 3 SO-Really cooled off since his explosion after being traded.
- Brandon Barnes (.267)-2-5
- Brian Pellegrini (.306)-2-5, HR, SO
- David Flores (.278)-2-3, HR, BB
- Jose Altuve (.313)-2-4, SO, CS
Lexington won 10-3
- Tanner Bushue (4.31)-6 IP, 6 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 3 BB, 3 SO-It's good to see him limit the runs. But, a 4-9 GO/FO ratio isn't going to cut it next season in Lancaster.
- Jio Mier (.229)-3-5, 2B, 3B, 2 SO, SB-Excellent game for the struggling Mier.
- Jimmy Paredes (.288)-1-5, 2B, 2 SO
- Jake Goebbert (.280)-3-4, 2B, BB-I'm getting excited about this guy.
- Ben Heath (.417)-3-5, 3B-Apparently he's passed Bubby Williams on the organizational depth chart. Heath is getting more playing time than Williams, who's been in Lexington a few days longer.
- Aaron Bray (.260)-2-5
- Briam Kemp (.241)-2-3, SO
Tri-City won 8-3
- Carlos Quevedo (3.16)-6 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 1 ER, 0 BB, 1 SO
- Kike Hernandez (.293)-2-4
- Michael Kvasnicka (.236)-1-4, HR-Nice, another HR from the supplemental 1st round pick!
- Dan Adamson (.287)-3-4, HR-He only adds to the OF depth in the minors!
- Adam Bailey (.195)-2-4, 2B, 2 SO
Greeneville lost 2-0
- Vincent Velasquez (3.10)-4 2/3 IP, 4 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 5 SO-Solid strikeout to walk ratio, but the outing was short. I'll take it from a raw pitcher like Vincy!
- Only three hits in the game for the Astros...
GCL Astros-Off
DSL Astros-Postponed
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Now that Manzella is at Round Rock for a rehab game (having completed his rehab games in AA), it means that Manzella is close to coming off the DL and returning to the ML roster. Who will we see removed from the ML roster when he returns? Will there be a trade of Blum or Feliz? Will Bourgeois or Sanchez be at risk of returning to AAA? (I doubt that the Astros will want to remove Sanchez.) What will the playing time break out between Sanchez and Manzella?
You would only hope that theres a trade of Blum or Feliz. I have a bad feeling it’ll be Bourgeois since really he’s the only one replaceable. Sanchez has been too good. Manzella can’t lose his job because of injury so he’s not an option. I think kepp and blum are safe. Is sending Wallace down and Lee to first an option? They’ve said they’d try for a few games.
I don’t know if he’s as close to returning as we think. Mills said it would be a long rehab stint, so he may be in the minors until September.
by Timothy De Block on Aug 11, 2010 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions
MLB rules limit DL rehab to 20 days. I can’t recall when he started the rehab starts in AA (a week or so ago?). The chron.com earlier notes gave the impression that he would only get a few games in AAA before he would be returned to the roster. But I can’t find the article, so it’s possible I took the wrong inference.
I believe he started rehabbing last Thursday. It looks like they could keep him in the minors until around the 25th. My guess would be this week and next week, but couldn’t they also just option him down since he still has options?
by Timothy De Block on Aug 11, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
They could option him after he ends the DL, and that makes some sense. However, the Chronicle article said he would be put on the ML roster after he ends his DL stint. Mills also said he wouldn’t lose his starting job when he comes off the DL.
From what I read of Astros.com Mills wanted Manzella to have a long rehab, his definition of long is probably different from mine. My logic is that with Sanchez manning short stop and doing a decent enough job of it they’re in no hurry to get him back. Keeping him in the minors until September means no one get’s sent down and then called right back up a week later.
I doubt they DFA Feliz, with September approaching and expanded rosters getting rid of him makes no sense. The only other candidates would be Bourgeois and Sanchez and both have played well.
by Timothy De Block on Aug 11, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Feliz makes the most sense as a trade or release. Bourgeois has been valuable IMO, Blum is on fire, Wallace needs to stay up, and Sanchez has been too good. You either DFA Manzo or Feliz. Anyone else would be a big mistake.
by Snake Diggity on Aug 11, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
I didn't see Lyles' start
But mrkupe over at Minor League Ball posted the following:
Excellent poise, impressive fastball command. Fastball velocity is average, 89-92 with the 4 seam and touched 93 several times, 2 seam at 87-88. Secondaries were erratic, but there were some good changeups and a couple of good curves along the way. Lots of strikes. I was more impressed with the polish of his approach than the quality of his offerings, but he is not entirely lacking with regard to the potential to improve the consistency and quality of his secondaries.
Haven’t decided how I would grade everything out just yet. Will save that for the morning, but those were my initial impressions.
Brian Bogusevic continues to do his thing. Hope he gets a call up this September for a couple spot starts and pinch hit/run duties.
lyles debut
as someone already said impressive fastball…was between low 90’s and high 80’s all day. Through many many strikes. Had good command. Had 9 K’s (I believe it was 7 swinging).
Now this was my first time at Dell Diamond. I and my friends were only ones at BP which was 20 min. Caught 3 HR balls. It was very hot there, but got free water and ice twice. Very nice stadium and fun to walk around. Very chilled atmosphere. Actually, During the Sacremento BP, there were 3 ppl in the rocking chairs in LF. Didn’t know who they were until about 6:15 when they left to the clubhouse. Those were Round Rock players just chilling in the seats before the game. 1 went to be the judge at a Chili contest before the game.
Oh and for those who don’t think Anderson Hernandez speaks english. He bumped into a player when coming down the stairs and said sorry. Seems like he knows a little more english though.
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Aug 11, 2010 8:52 AM CDT reply actions
also
it looked like Lyles got squeezed several times…could have had 11 K’s
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Aug 11, 2010 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Polin Trinidad
has been demoted to CC. He’s been a tad unlucky with a high BABiP but he’s been unable to induce as many groundballs as he has in his career, although it’s not a huge difference. It’s become apparent that the Astros don’t see him as an option in the future with removing him from the 40 man roster and now demoting him all this season.
2011 rotation
could we really have a good rotation next year. Myers, Wandy, Norris, Happ, Lyles. Yes that rotation is missing a “star”/ “ace” but all are solid 2-3 type pitchers. I see Lyles coming up in June/ July next year after a solid spring training. Not a scary rotation, but there is no true day off type guy like a moehler.
Lot of people keep missing Paulino
Not sure why that is.
He’s better than either Norris or Happ, and he does have the potential to be a no. 2 starter or better, with as hard as he throws.
The shoulder injury is worrying, though.
I am hoping that Paulino will come back and be a No. 2 starter in the rotation. I would prefer Lyles to get more time in AAA and wait until September call ups.
Heh. Same thought for both of us.
About Paulino.
It seems to me the Astros sending Lyles to AAA so soon sends a clear message that he’ll be up in June at the latest. Whether that’s a good idea or not is up for debate, but I’m guessing he’ll be in the rotation by July 1st.
It will probably look like
Myers
Wandy
Paulino
Happ
Norris
And when Lyles comes up we will see what happens. It is nice to have depth. The Rays have 6 or 7 nice SP’s and no room for Hellickson. Now they have injuries and Hellickson is replacing them well.
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Aug 11, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
paulino
the only reason why i pass him up is injuries. yes, his stuff is better than happ or even norris and looked good when he went down. i cant put him there because of the injuries. is 100 innings the threshold with paulino? i have always liked his stuff, but a number 1 or 2 guy needs, must be, a 200 inning type guy.
Fair enough
A lot of guys manage to deal with their injuries and be fine though. It’s worrying that it’s the shoulder, but you can’t really do much except give him a shot next year and see if he makes it through the season.
I don’t think Mills was as careful with Paulino as maybe he should have been, allowing him to go over 100 pitches too often, and hopefully in the future he will keep that in mind and use kid gloves until he gets out of the injury nexus.
interesting lineup already posted for tonights gam
bourn
kepp
pence
lee
CJ
wallace
sanchez
castro
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by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Aug 11, 2010 10:26 AM CDT reply actions
That lineup makes way more sense than any of the ones Mills has been using. In fact, it may be the best possible batting order for the current team.
Some people are going to say CJ should hit third or fourth
But I’m only 50/50 on whether he’s a better hitter than Pence or Lee moving forward. Beyond that, I do lend a little bit of credence (not a lot, but enough to tip the scales) to the idea that moving up in the order increases the psychological pressure on a hitter to produce… and for a rookie, easing him into the role is probably better.
I’d personally like to see Wallace in the number three spot, but it may be to soon for him.
by Timothy De Block on Aug 11, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
It more illustrates our lack of an impact bat than anything. None of these guys really seem to fit at this point like Lance did in his prime. I hope J.D. Martinez can be that guy, but I’m not sure that he has enough power. He might be pretty similar to CJ and Wallace in that he projects more for a high batting average, lots of doubles, and around 15-20 homers… need more data in the upper minors to know.
I would feel approximately ten times better about this team moving forward if we had a legit star hitter to build around (or a prospect who projects as such). Since we’ve neatly filled all four corner spots now and for the next few years, it looks to remain a puzzling conundrum.
With Keppinger batting 3rd and the Astros doing a relatively decent job at scoring runs. I’ve felt that who hits 3rd isn’t as important as getting some of your better hitters more at bats. From what I’ve seen lately I’d like to see Wallace get more at bats over Pence and even Johnson.
by Timothy De Block on Aug 11, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I should clarify that it’s not really about me valuing batting third (I believe first, second, and fourth are more important) so much as it’s about the fact that we don’t have the kind of hitter anymore who profiles as a “middle of the order guy”, the type of player teams usually bat in the three hole.
We have some above average hitters, but I don’t think we are consistently above average across the board, so we’re not going to get away with lacking an impact bat like that. Unfortunately those kinds of hitters are notoriously tough to come by and I don’t see a trade target for us or one coming up in the minors (unless .900-1.000 OPS is actually Martinez’s true talent level in the majors, which I very much doubt).
agreed
b/c if paulino can become a 200 inning guy then yikes. that rotation is solid with lyles available for call up. but… hasnt paulino been that guy for two years now that we have been saying, " give a shot, put him in the 5th spot and see how he does"?
And Paulino did well with his shot too. He posted a 4.40 ERA and 3.25 FIP in 14 games. His performance level is pretty close to tied with Wandy as the third best pitcher. Yes, the bad part is he had injuries. Both Norris and Paulino have arms which seem to be injury risks. Not much you can do about it, except be careful in using them and try to strengthen their shoulders.
Heath 3B
I’m late on this but did anyone see the Heath 3B? Last month I saw him go from second to third on a double, so that surprised me…
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