Post-Roygate, Astros Have More Pieces For Sale
by OremLK on Jul 30, 2010 12:42 PM CDT
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PrintOne of the arguments we've made in favor of the Roy Oswalt trade is that the acquisitions of J.A. Happ and Brett Wallace give the Astros the flexibility to make more moves before the trade deadline. Two of the Astros' best remaining trade chips are starting pitchers (Brett Myers and Wandy Rodriguez), while their best tradeable position player is Lance Berkman, who will likely depart in the off-season whether he is traded or not. Keep in mind that Berkman doesn't necessarily need to be traded before the non-waiver deadline, since his salary makes him likely to clear waivers in August.
Another possibility is Jeff Keppinger, who is a good utility player and has proven this year that he has enough bat and glove to be an average starter at second base.
Other potential trade chips could include bullpen pieces like Brandon Lyon or Matt Lindstrom, or even a young position player like Michael Bourn or Hunter Pence. These four players are unlikely to be moved, but in the Astros' position, nobody should be untouchable for the right offer.
With one more day until the deadline, the Astros should, and probably will, focus on finding out what the market is for their remaining players. What should they seek in return?
- High-upside minor league starting pitching. While the Astros do have some good pitching down on the farm--arms like top prospect Jordan Lyles and inningseater Dallas Keuchel--none of the pitchers above short season ball have no. 1 starter upside. Granted, pitching prospects with that high a ceiling are rare, but they are an important asset to collect, even if they are unlikely to reach their potential. A pitcher like Tampa Bay's Matthew Moore or one of the Dodgers' top pitching prospects (like native Texan Chris Withrow) would be a good get.
- A near MLB-ready second baseman with more upside and better defense. While Jeff Keppinger is having a nice season, and is not part of the Astros' problem, he isn't part of the solution either--especially if he himself is traded. I would have liked to get Harold Garcia from the Phillies, but that trade is done. Kicking the tires on a buy low candidate like Todd Frazier of the Reds might be one idea, although whether any of the Astros' pieces interest them with Oswalt off the market is another matter entirely. Perhaps New York's David Adams?
- Potential impact bats. We have plenty of speed and defense up the middle now down on the farm. What we're a little thin on is prospects who could develop into middle of the order hitters. Brett Wallace should be adequate (although unspectacular) at first base, but we need players for other positions with similar bats. Above short season ball, J.D. Martinez is the only one who stands out, and he still needs to prove himself at AA. Young, raw players like Telvin Nash and Ariel Ovando are a very long way from the majors. We need some players in full season ball with that kind of potential, even if they are raw and have issues to work out to reach that point; which is probably the only way a club could be convinced to part with them. Maybe Tampa Bay's Cody Rogers or Kyeong Kang (I just love his name).
What kinds of players would you like to see the Astros pursue before (or after) the non-waiver trade deadline?
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If there is 1 guy I want
it’s Reid Brignac…A Young and very solid SS who I’d love to see starting for the Stros!
Anyway I guess this is the rumor thread for today too?
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 12:48 PM CDT reply actions
I would love to get Brignac too. If there is one (realistic) fantasy deal I would to see, it is Berkman to Tampa for Brignac and an arm.
I think you are WAY overvaluing Berkman
expect a deal similar to FL deal with Texas for Cantu
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
He just doesn't have that kind of value
I would assume Davis would be untouchable in a trade for Berkman, too. Moore is a possibility, depending on how attached they are to him.
Agreed on Reid
Brignac would be solid acquisition. If Angel Sanchez continues
to develop keep him at SS & Brignac @ 2B.
BernardoFallas
Just got off the phone with Harold Reynolds of MLB Network. He expects Berkman to be moved.
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 1:06 PM CDT reply actions
Harold Reynolds
Hahaha.
Sorry, I couldn’t resist laughing at the thought of him as an insider with a big scoop. I mean, it’s a reasonable expectation, but I doubt Reynolds actually knows anything specific about it.
trust me
that was what my first thought was
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
blue jays get their possible future solid 1b
in mike jacobs
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 1:11 PM CDT reply actions
I was in middle of typing the exact same thing haha. Jacobs has some potential, but you gotta think Wallace would’ve been a better option for them going forward.
no doubt
btw i read that AA (Jays GM) didnt want to give up wallace but the stros were adamant about wallace being in deal
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
question about the sox and berkman
would berkman waive his no trade clause to go to CHW…he only wants to leave if he knows that team can be a WS contender
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 1:20 PM CDT reply actions
I think he said he’d be more willing to go East than West, and Chicago would qualify. They currently hold the division lead in the AL Central. I’d figure there is at least a possibility of him accepting.
from rj
richardjustice
Seems to be decent chance Lance Berkman gets traded this afternoon. Yanks seem be leader, but Rays, others interested.
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 1:35 PM CDT reply actions
1:37pm: The White Sox are including Jackson in their offer for Adam Dunn, tweets USA Today’s Bob Nightengale. If they pull that off, they’ll try for Myers.
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 1:39 PM CDT reply actions
White Sox are trying to trade Jackson to Washington for Dunn. If that happens, they’ll try for Myers, per Nightengale
Any idea what prospects the White Sox might offer for Myers? I saw Hudson mentioned earlier, but he’s headed to AZ for Jackson.
by dallastros_fan on Jul 30, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Doubt they have the pieces for Myers
Their farm is terrible and they already gave up the only thing which could have gotten them him (Hudson).
right
they wont trade gordon beckham…really only have flowers and maybe a few others
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Flowers = slightly upgraded version of Koby Clemens
In my opinion, at least. Similar power, similar strikeout rate, similarly will wind up at first base.
The more I look at the White Sox prospects, the more it seems like they’re a horrible fit. All of their decent prospects are at positions where we already have similar, if not better prospects. I honestly don’t see anything happening with them since their toolsy OF it out for the year.
Jon Heyman SI_JonHeyman
#chisox would like to get dunn without including e. jackson but may have little choice but to offer him. #nats love jax.
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 1:47 PM CDT reply actions
FYI
Apparently there was a secret deal between bankruptcy judge and Ryan Group to buy Rangers pushing cuban out. If true there goes my hope of Ryan buying the Stros.
Nope no
deal. Auction proceeds. Maybe Ryan loses and Stros so Drayton can tend to to his produce. PLZ!
We can get Cuban as our owner
He can not be worse than Drayton, and even if we loose at least big names will come in and out and we will have an entertaining owner.
If Yankees are looking for a DH and 8th inning guy...
Trade Berkman and Lindstrom/or Lyon for Montero. Is that possible? Then the Astros will have thier choice of Wallace or Montero at 1st and can trade the other for another top prospect.
We’d be giving Wallace his fourth team in… how long? Poor kid.
If you include Lindstrom, maybe it could get done. I think it’s more likely to just shop Berkman to them and pick up a lesser prospect like David Adams or David Phelps.
Here's a thought
Maybe the Yankees would be willing to do Berkman and Wallace for Montero and other prospects.
Thought I read somewhere that Castro isn’t expected to stick at catcher, with a likely move to 1B. Maybe I’m making that up?
by dallastros_fan on Jul 30, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Erm, no
Castro’s best attribute is probably his defense at catcher. He is definitely a catcher long term.
Yep, definitely meant to say Montero there
My bad. I was thinking that if Wallace was somehow dealt in a package for Montero and others, then Montero might be moveable to 1B since we’ve got Castro behind the dish.
by dallastros_fan on Jul 30, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
guzman goes to rangers
keppinger not going there now…rangers got cantu and guzman to sure up infield
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 2:16 PM CDT reply actions
just had a thought...
The way the Astros are selling and if Myers is traded, then that really increases our chances to land Anthony Rendon, ankle injury notwithstanding. A fellow can only hope.
by robclark @stros on Jul 30, 2010 2:17 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Count me in the Yankee camp there…
Physically painful to type that.
by dallastros_fan on Jul 30, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
No
He’s out of baseball. But active on Twitter, did some commentating on the WS and does his own blog.
The Crawfishboxes
A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
by Stephen Higdon on Jul 30, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I saw that the Yanks were heavy on Lance in the car
And when it occurred to me that Roy and Lance could face each other in the WS, I nearly wrecked my car I was so excited.
I would be in knots trying to decide who I would want to win.
The Crawfishboxes
A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
by Stephen Higdon on Jul 30, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Apparently we asked the Dodgers for Billingsley for Oswalt. No wonder a talks never seemed to progress very far with them.
Sorry, I should’ve provided a source.
Dylan Hernandez of the Los Angeles Times reports that the Dodgers balked when the Astros demanded Chad Billingsley in return for Roy Oswalt.
The Dodgers offered up four prospects for Oswalt. They also likely wanted the Astros to pay a significant portion of what Oswalt was owed. The Astros decided they liked the Phillies’ package better
FYI
Anyone in Htown area or visiting kids free ( under 14) all summer is on again at MMP. Though that I would throw that out there to all the parents.
this could be big for stros
Bryce Harper wrote on his Facebook page Friday that he’s, “Probably going back to [the College of Southern Nevada] to win a National Championship!”
It’s nice to see a young man take his education so seriously. At the very least, this will get Nationals fans worked up. The team has until Aug. 16 to sign Harper, who was taken with the first overall pick in last month’s draft.
Source: AOL Fanhouse
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 2:40 PM CDT reply actions
what if rendon and harper available next year...
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
That would be fantastic
I doubt he’ll pick college in the end, but if it somehow happened, that would obviously add one more prospect to the top of the draft.
It probably doesn’t allow us to get one of Rendon or Harper anyway, unless we go on a dismal losing streak which would be terrible to watch through. Still, it would push all the great college pitchers in this draft back a slot and would allow us to get one of the best. Some of them would be MLB-ready very soon.
Exactly. If Houston finished with the 3rd worst record, you’d be looking at either Rendon or Purke coming to Houston.
by IndianaAstrofan on Jul 30, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Depends on what other pieces we sell. I don’t think Wallace is going to come up and produce like even this year’s version of Berkman right away, if they even call him up (they might choose to leave him at AAA to work on his defense until September). If we move Myers too, the rotation would also be pretty damn bad.
I could see us getting into the top 5 picks, but at this point it would take quite the disaster to get into the top 2.
If they were to trade off a few more veterans, I could see Houston moving past a few teams in the race for worst record. Obviously no one is catching the O’s. lol
by IndianaAstrofan on Jul 30, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
A day after the Astros traded one half of the franchise’s continuous link to its distant past, the other is on the market.
A person with knowledge of the situation said Friday there is interest on the Astros’ part in moving first baseman Lance Berkman and there is interest coming in from other clubs on making the acquisition.
They have 14 minutes to pull it off
According to the story
The Crawfishboxes
A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
by Stephen Higdon on Jul 30, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Throw Koby Clemens in on a deal with the Yanks.
Don’t forget about Daddy Clemen’s ties to the organization.
Doesn't matter for MiLB players
And I can’t see a hammy strain factoring into another team’s decision.
Berkman to Rays....
…for Hellickson + 2 B prospects would be nice swap. Rays would love to have a switch-hitting DH and block Yanks from getting him. Stros would have to pick up half of Puma’s salary but would get awesome pitcher in exchange. Berkman could extend his career at DH and be on desired east coast team. Makes sense for both teams
by BrewCongdon-GTA on Jul 30, 2010 2:47 PM CDT reply actions
SI_JonHeyman
berkman one of many #yankees are looking at for offense. they find relief market dismal thus far.
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 2:50 PM CDT reply actions
Supposedly Nats wanted Hellickson + Jennings + 2 prospects for Dunn
…Berkman a better fir because he doesn’t demand to play the field like Dunn is demanding
by BrewCongdon-GTA on Jul 30, 2010 2:51 PM CDT reply actions
ha
well they got hudson and nice southpaw for jackson
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
So they want the best pitching prospect in baseball, the best outfield prospect in baseball, and two prospects for a half year rental of Dunn? They must be really serious about wanting to extend him.
DAMN
Thats not happening. Would Dunn even fall under Type A status?
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 30, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Myers could fetch Montero...
Looking at the Ramos for Capps trade(ugh, what a bad deal for MIN) and the fact Yanks offered Montero for Soria, then veteran arm like Myers for Montero could be possible. He’s cheap option for next two years and fills the Yanks 8th inning role…which they are desperately seeking to fill.
by BrewCongdon-GTA on Jul 30, 2010 2:55 PM CDT reply actions
it was reported on ESPN live trade talk by one of the commentators....
I’ll go back and look up who reported it…..
by BrewCongdon-GTA on Jul 30, 2010 2:56 PM CDT reply actions
I would take Hellickson straight up for Puma.
by robclark @stros on Jul 30, 2010 2:57 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
But would be happy to get Brignac…maybe he could be our Zobrist.
by robclark @stros on Jul 30, 2010 3:00 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
We had our Zobrist. His name was Zobrist! lol
by IndianaAstrofan on Jul 30, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
10/5 Rule
does that mean Lance would 24 hrs to veto any trade? Im bit confused on it after RJ’s article.
I’m pretty sure that’s exactly what it means, but I thought Lance has a full no-trade clause anyway, so isn’t it a bit redundant?
Hunter Pence HunterPence9
Damn…I’m not in the lineup. :(
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 3:02 PM CDT reply actions
Ha. I hate this time of year. My immediate thought was traaaaade.
He’s probably just getting a rest.
The thing is that Puma had to be shown a deal by 3 today and, being a 10/5 player, has 24 hrs (which he can’t say OK go ahead and make the trade…he cannot waive that period of time) then say at the deadline yea or nay.
by robclark @stros on Jul 30, 2010 3:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Really? That’s incredibly stupid if he can’t give his consent during the 24 hour period. It doesn’t really matter though since he’ll be moved in August if he isn’t by the deadline.
Right
That doesn’t make sense to me (that he couldn’t approve a trade prior to the deadline), but it doesn’t matter. He really ought to clear waivers.
If somehow Hunter Pence gets traded to the White Sox, one of the worst farms in baseball, lets just say the **** will hit the fan.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 30, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
my comment on Brignac/Zobrist...
I meant since the Rays got Zobrist and he has done well for them so if we got Brignac and he did well for us then he would be “our Zobrist.”
by robclark @stros on Jul 30, 2010 3:11 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah, sorry! I was just kidding with you! I’d be hoping for the same thing.
by IndianaAstrofan on Jul 30, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
That Indiana humor
you and Letterman.
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Jul 30, 2010 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd rather have Berkman for the rest of the season
than watch him in a Yankees uniform, and get a “prospect” back from the Yankees that will never turn into an everyday major league player
Holy crap, that does suck. Phelps would be a good prospect to add. The thing I worry about with these prospects, though, is that fan expectation will be too high for them, since they’re the fruit of losing two of our best players from the past decade.
How about an A level first baseman who used to be a shortstop
and his interpreter?
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Jul 30, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
If Berkman is a better choice than Dunn and other players
it means the prospects we get back probably won’t be worth much.
by danielcp0303 on Jul 30, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Not necessarily true
The asking price for Dunn is apparently sky-high, and I assume the same is true for Fielder.
This is just makes me feel like crap.
Roy and Berkman gone…now Carlos Lee is the face of our team. I wanna go into a coma and wake up when his contract is up
by danielcp0303 on Jul 30, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Pence is the face of the team, but don’t tell that to the idiots with their stick horses and sombreros.
If Pence is the face of the team
our team is gonna run straight into a glass door
by danielcp0303 on Jul 30, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Because our team’s in a rush to get back to a jacuzzi full of ladies…?
I like the new direction!
by dallastros_fan on Jul 30, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Carlos Lee is more like the ass of this team, but I take your point.
I’d be a lot more sad to see Berkman leave than I was about Oswalt. But it’s time, and it makes baseball sense.
It made baseball sense like 3 years ago
I know hindsight it short sighted, but could you imagine the haul we would have gotten had we traded everyone besides Carlos three years ago? We would have never gotten Tejada or Valverde’s production for virtually nothing, but we would be oh so much closer to competing. We might have been picking in the top three at some point in the last few years. Still better to do it now than never.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 30, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
alysonfooter
Happ’s locker is where Oswalt’s used to be. He’s here, dressing for practice. And so it begins.
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 3:15 PM CDT reply actions
I hope the Astros teammates did something to make him feel welcome
You know Roy Oswalt walks in as th efinal catalyst to cahmpionshipinPhiily,
but JA Happ is the guy who takes Roy’s slot in the rotation. Happ has no idea what his teammates think of that so I’d like a welcoming gift for him to break the ice.
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Jul 30, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
yes Berkman can still be traded...
After the non-waiver deadline, but he would be subject to any team wanting to claim him and his salary unless they make a mutual deal with the Astros. However, if a team claims Berkman and the Astros don’t want him to go to that team then they have to pull him back and keep him for the rest of the year (I think).
by robclark @stros on Jul 30, 2010 3:16 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
He'd clear waivers though
He’s too overpaid, and that option buyout just adds to the cost. To get back prospects, the Astros will have to include salary relief, which they already demonstrated they were willing to do in the Oswalt deal.
Joelsherman1
Berkman has a complete no-trade clause, but hear that would not be problem if it is #Yankees
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 3:19 PM CDT reply actions
The Yankees are telling teams they can take on salary, but don’t want to hand over prospects, according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post. They’re now taking a long, hard look at Berkman.
Well that’s odd…
So if they aren't going to hand over prospects
how does this make sense?
by danielcp0303 on Jul 30, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Or they expect us to sell him to them Babe Ruth style. The last thing we need the curse of the Pumino.
IT DOESNT
Trading a guy who sells tickets for Yankees minor league CHUM is going to really infuriate me.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 30, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Lance Berkman not in the lineup Friday for Astros, but they are facing a lefty. He’s still listed as reserve on lineup card.
To me this all smells like Drayton
trying to get rid of all the guarenteed money before sells the team.
If it means he sells…I’m all for it!
by IndianaAstrofan on Jul 30, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmmm, hadn’t thought of that but that scenario does sound very Drayton-esque.
by robclark @stros on Jul 30, 2010 3:37 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Will Lee move to 1st if Berkman gets traded?
He won’t have to run as far when he comes out of the dugout
We just picked up Wallace, remember
Although I suppose it’s possible he won’t come up until September or next season.
What about a Berkman for Chamberlain striaght swap?
With possibly some money being involved.
I thought of that
I doubt the Yankees would want to part with him, since they wouldn’t do it for Haren. That would be pretty good though.
something tells me that if we get chamberlain...
suddenly espn will stop talking about him
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope Berkman gets one last at bat tonight
He’d get a standing ovation
Depends whether he’s held out of the lineup for an imminent trade or not. It’s a little bit strange that both Pence and Berkman would be benched in the same game.
It would be the right thing to do though
he deserves it
by danielcp0303 on Jul 30, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
He's probably exhausted
…we all know why
by danielcp0303 on Jul 30, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
He hasn't had a night off
since dating Terrie B
by danielcp0303 on Jul 30, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Phil Rogers thinks Berkman -> Yankees is a done deal
I won’t dignify it with a link, given the notorious unreliability of the source.
Wade has done a good selling job on J.A. Happ. Justice says Happ is considered to be the next Cliff Lee. Happ and Lee have one similarity: they are both lefthanded.
It's such a bad idea
Some of the normally-reliable beat writers have bought into it too. Footer last night said something about him being a top of the rotation starter for the Astros. He’s probably the fourth best starter on this team, even without Oswalt. (Behind Myers, Wandy, and Paulino).
The problem with building him up that way is that it sets up the fans for unrealistic expectations. People are going to get upset when he winds up with an ERA in the 4.00-5.00 range and gets blown up occasionally.
I say this, by the way, as someone who likes Happ. I think he can have a Randy Wolf type career, which is a solid player. But he’s a middle rotation starter at best, even on the Astros.
Everybody has been very funny through this whole trade deadline. Keep them a comin.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 30, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Question
If Lance isn’t traded, does Wallace stay in the minors all year. He seems pretty major-league ready at this point.
Alyson Footer alysonfooter
Puma is here. Feels there is a decent possibility he’ll be traded. But he has not been traded.
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Joelsherman1
Hearing Berkman deal from #Astros to #Yankees is on verge of completion
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 3:59 PM CDT reply actions
Buster_ESPN
Heard this: The Steinbrenners have given pre-approval to the acquisition of a large salary such as Lance Berkman or Adam Dunn. #trades
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 3:59 PM CDT reply actions
i still think we getting either chamberlain or montero in a deal
just based on what dbacks for jackson and nats for capps
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
You’d think we’d kick some $ in just to obtain some sort of a decent prospect for Drayton to sell us on.
by IndianaAstrofan on Jul 30, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
They've got a lot of arms
Would love to see one come back.
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
alysonfooter
Total chaos at Puma’s locker. Has indicated to team where he’d agree to go. http://twitpic.com/2a487r
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 4:02 PM CDT reply actions
Hearing that Drayton has been drugged and put to sleep for the last 2 days
he’s gonna be pissed when he wakes up
Buster_ESPN
Heard this: The Yankees’ talks for Lance Berkman are advancing, quickly. #trades
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 4:03 PM CDT reply actions
If you're going to take down a couple of walls
Might as well tear the whole sucker down. I agree with you.
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
Why does Sprow keep saying w/o Berkman the Astros will only have 30 mill committed in 2011? I’ve seen various people say 70.
Berkman
Jason A. Churchill — MLB Draft Blog/Rumor Central: One more note on top of Buster’s latest tweet above. Sources, including Joel Sherman and the AP, reporting Berkman to yankees is close.
by BrewCongdon-GTA on Jul 30, 2010 4:06 PM CDT reply actions
love this
Alyson Footer alysonfooter
Berkman said no matter what happens, he wants the opp. to come back to Astros next year. So a requirement if he was traded would be for… …the new team to NOT pick up his option. He’s the anti-Oswalt.
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 4:07 PM CDT reply actions
I wouldn't mind it
Wallace could use a little more seasoning, so it doesn’t bother me at all. He’ll only be 24 and can be called up in September.
Whoa whoa whoa dude. I’ve been in favor of blowing up our team 2 or 3 years ago. Just giving credit where credit is due. Lance is a bad ass for wanting to be back.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 30, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think Berkman really wants out
but if it helps the club, and he has a chance to win a title this year…those are the reasons for doing this. I hope he comes back. He was the first player I ever met. He signed my ball and joked with me, as a kid that was a great moment. I’m sure Carlos Lee would’ve taken my ice cream and thrown it on the ground.
by danielcp0303 on Jul 30, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Ken_Rosenthal
Definite increase in chatter on #Astros’ Berkman, nothing set. Option for whichever team does not get Dunn: #Yankees, #WhiteSox, etc. #MLB
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 4:08 PM CDT reply actions
check tonight lineup out
Bourn cf, Sanchez ss, Keppinger 2b, Lee lf, Michaels rf, Feliz 1b, Johnson 3b, Quintero c, Happ p
way to let happ know whats coming
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 4:08 PM CDT reply actions
That's pathetic. That's not even the Royals.
And I wonder why I want the team sold and a new GM hired.
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
While we’re on the trade warpath, who’s for trading our uni’s in for the throwbacks we wore the other night?
alysonfooter
Berkman: “No matter what happens Houston is my home first and foremost.”
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 4:09 PM CDT reply actions
To reiterate the idea I had earlier
What if the Yankees take on Berkman’s full salary and send us back Montero, but we send over Wallace in exchange?
Montero will be a first baseman
I’m sure they’d convert him over right away. This year, we still have Feliz and Blum to hold down the fort.
esp. to make that yanks team
arod and tex at corners
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
would make me feel so much better though
about trading our faces
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 30, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions
At least it'd happen right away this time
As long as you’re moving around, might as well get it all done at once before you get settled in.
SI_JonHeyman
yankees-berkman in serious talks
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 4:14 PM CDT reply actions
I wonder if yanks taking anyone else
maybe they take lyon for relief help
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I’m just thinking they won’t give up much – if anything for sure-fire rental.
by Crazy Eye Killa on Jul 30, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Who would we ask from the Rays in return for Pence?
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 30, 2010 4:15 PM CDT reply actions
if not hellickson, definitely david price… i kid
by Crazy Eye Killa on Jul 30, 2010 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I was just speculating
I don’t really care, as long as we get some of their best prospects. They’re loaded to the gills with great pitching and young MLB position players.
I’d trade him. It’s not like we don’t have some semi-decent outfielders
by Crazy Eye Killa on Jul 30, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
He is. That's for sure.
A haul is a haul though. Rebuilding is rebuiding also
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 30, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
just speculating too
it’s fishy for him to be held out like he is being.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 30, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
KenDavidoff
Source confirms #Yankees “moving in the right direction” for Berkman. Given Cashman’s MO, assuming it’s essentially a money dump.
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 4:15 PM CDT reply actions
tonight would be perfect night
for CJ to bat 3 4 or 5
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 4:17 PM CDT reply actions
.837
But a lot of that’s on the back of a .398 BABIP and is not sustainable. I’ll be pleasantly surprised if his career OPS winds up being over .800.
Three, I think
I believe he’ll hit for more power too, and also that his strikeout rate will continue to drop, which will offset some of the regression. But I still see him as a league average 3B, not a well above average one.
Chris Johnson has never hit more than 13 HRs in a season in the minors. (He had 7 in Round Rock this year, so he was on track to beat that this season). That’s one of the knocks on him in the minors, he projects to be have more power, but he has never shown the kind of power which is necessary to offset his K rate.
alysonfooter
Puma looks pretty relaxed. He’s possibly the most media savvy player ever b/c he’s just himself. http://twitpic.com/2a4ciy
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 4:17 PM CDT reply actions
Imagine the quotes out of NY papers
With all that media, I wonder how f-ed up Lance’s head will be when he’s done with the Yankees.
BernardoFallas BernardoFallas
#Astros 1B Lance #Berkman considering 4 potential trade destinations
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 4:17 PM CDT reply actions
hey hey
it could be a salary dump, remember smarty pants?
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 30, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe when the cashmans approved a big money deal
they getting carlos lee? ha! we can hope!
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 4:18 PM CDT reply actions
Ken_Rosenthal
#Yankees indeed moving quickly on Berkman, as others report. Team will NOT pick up 15M option as condition of deal; strictly a rental.
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 4:18 PM CDT reply actions
Eh.. that means it’s a money dump for the ’stros.
by Crazy Eye Killa on Jul 30, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
BernardoFallas
#Astros 1B Lance Berkman: waived his 10-and-5. Yankees is a team he would consider.
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 4:19 PM CDT reply actions
BernardoFallas
West Coast teams have next to zero chance of landing #Astros 1B Lance #Berkman. #hounews
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 4:20 PM CDT reply actions
footer assures us that
puma getting dressed and going to BP now
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 4:23 PM CDT reply actions
Does anybody think the Astros get anyone in return? Or will there be any more trades?
by Crazy Eye Killa on Jul 30, 2010 4:23 PM CDT reply actions
Maybe one throw-in prospect, and no I don’t think there will be any more deals, but I didn’t think Berkman was going anywhere either.
I’m all for a fire sale. I’d rather go watch a bunch of nobodies lose than overpaid, over the hill guys lose. Then again it’s not my money riding on the success of the franchise.
by Crazy Eye Killa on Jul 30, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
no more backups to play...
haven’t you seen the lineup?
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
oh millsie
BernardoFallas BernardoFallas
#Astros manager Brad Mills on why #Berkman not on lineup tonite: He has struggled vs lefties.
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 4:24 PM CDT reply actions
Ha… thanks Mills! Now no one will want Puma
by Crazy Eye Killa on Jul 30, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
wonder if myers
or lyon/kepp are in deal…
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 4:26 PM CDT reply actions
Would be good if it’d net a good prospect
by Crazy Eye Killa on Jul 30, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
glad everyone is being honest at the worst time possible to be honest
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 30, 2010 4:26 PM CDT reply actions
For Whom the Bell Tolls...
That’s right Carlos…this off season…YOU’RE NEXT! lol
by IndianaAstrofan on Jul 30, 2010 4:27 PM CDT reply actions
Carlos Lee needs to have an amazing finish to this season
and a great start next season for that to happen. His trade clause doesn’t run out until after next year, I think
by danielcp0303 on Jul 30, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
runs out after THIS season. picks up 10/5 rights after NEXT season
by IndianaAstrofan on Jul 30, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
That's not what the article said when they first signed him
he has a limited trade clause the last two years of the deal.
by danielcp0303 on Jul 30, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
He can’t waive the 5/10 right which occurs in 2012 season. The rule wll trump the limited trade clause. So, it’s trade him next year or never, probably.
That is correct. This off season is the lone window that the team can trade him without his permission as my understanding.
by IndianaAstrofan on Jul 30, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
How much would the team have to eat on his deal to move him?
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
I’d be fine with 60% just to move him outta here!
by IndianaAstrofan on Jul 30, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably most of it.. and who would they get? Probably not much.
by Crazy Eye Killa on Jul 30, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions
So... what is everyone expecting for Berkman
I would expect a deal much like Texas sent to FL for Cantu
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
I’m not expecting much if anything. Might be a salary dump. UNLESS, they throw some other players the Yankees way?
by Crazy Eye Killa on Jul 30, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Ken_Rosenthal
A twist on Berkman: Due to his 10-5 rts, trade to #Yankees would not be official until after expiration of 24-hr window (MORE) #Astros #MLB
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 4:28 PM CDT reply actions
Source says he gave approval earlier today, so everything should be OK. But official word would not be until Sat. aft. #Astros #Yankees #MLB
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Ken_Rosenthal
He can rescind at any point during 24-hour window, but source doubts that will happen. Announcement likely tmrrow aft.
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 4:32 PM CDT reply actions
Dang… means we’re gonna have to go through the rumor mill and speculation about who/what they get for Berkman. I think it’s just a salary dump though.
by Crazy Eye Killa on Jul 30, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I’d imagine so. I mean, when you think about it, what else would any team give the Astros for a guy who’s a rental?
by Crazy Eye Killa on Jul 30, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
is that just speculation or have you heard rumors?
by Crazy Eye Killa on Jul 30, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Nova – back of the rotation fodder
Adams – intriguing grade C+ with a chance to be good, but broken ankle is worrying at a position which relies on lateral agility
I should add that Nova has the potential to be a middle rotation guy down the road, but it seems he still has a ways to go to get there.
I don't know if I'd say that
I’m impressed with his production in the last year and change at a middle infield position, but it’s kind of early to say whether he can sustain it.
nothing speical
I am not even sure Nova ends up as a 4/5 could be a swing guy/MLR
No where near as high on Adams as most. Worried about injury history an never was complete player to me
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
I wasn't referring to Nova and Adams
I was referring to the rumors we’ve heard that they are taking back a large salary to avoid giving up prospects.
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Roy to the Phillies? Lance to the Yankees? We might actually get to see them on Sunday Night Baseball now.
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 4:39 PM CDT reply actions
Rosenthal said
Berkman gave approval before 3 pm today so no waivers necessary
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 4:40 PM CDT reply actions
Alyson Footer alysonfooter
Pence is getting the night off because Mills wants JMike to get a start. Pence is NOT being traded.
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 4:41 PM CDT reply actions
Yeah, that would be good, but I don’t see the Astros trading him. He fits what Drayton likes.
by Crazy Eye Killa on Jul 30, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
What do y'all think
it would take to get Jesus Montero… I know.. probably Myers, Berkman (’stros p/u his contract), and more? Just a hypothetical, so I can get my hopes up
by Crazy Eye Killa on Jul 30, 2010 4:44 PM CDT reply actions
Not sure if this was posted
Thread is moving fast.
#Astros indeed expected to get non-prospect minor-leaguer(s) and payroll relief from #Yankees in return for Berkman.
If we’re just getting AAAA guys, that sucks.
Seriously. Too bad we can’t get payroll relief from Lee instead.
by Mr. Imperial on Jul 30, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope it’s more for draft pick signings and money for foreign players.
by Crazy Eye Killa on Jul 30, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
If we get money and end up signing Plutko or Jones, I’d say this is a win. I’m assuming DDJ signs, btw.
Yeah, it’d be great if they all got signed
by Crazy Eye Killa on Jul 30, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Eh.. figured so much. I mean, why would the Yankees do otherwise since they know Berkman wants to go back to Houston?
by Crazy Eye Killa on Jul 30, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
So basically here's how this lays out
I’m guessing this was always the plan, and that’s why the Astros were willing to include so much money in Oswalt’s deal.
Drayton willing to open the purse strings for prospects? Not so much!
i'm calling it now
Berkman for Pettitte, straight up. ;-)
by Mr. Imperial on Jul 30, 2010 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
If we’re lucky. I wouldn’t hold my breath though. He seems to love the “glamour” that comes with being an owner.
Not so much with fellow baseball people, but every time I’m at the park, he just posts up somewhere waiting for people to come up to him and lavish praise upon him and things like that. He just seems like he needs his ego stroked. I hate Richard Justice, but he said something similar in one of his articles a while back.
I’ve met Uncle D a couple of times. Seems like a nice guy, but the dude probably lives in fantasy land.
by Crazy Eye Killa on Jul 30, 2010 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh he’s a nice guy, no doubt. He signs autographs, takes pictures, and everything else that I’m sure he believes comes with being an owner. The problem is that it seems a little over the top to me, and the sentiment has been shared by others. He’s likely in that stage of life where he needs to feel loved. Nothing against him, I’m sure it happens to most when they reach his age.
that gives me an idea
How about… Berkman and Justice for cash and Mike Lupica?
by Mr. Imperial on Jul 30, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
or...
Maybe we can get Chan Ho Park back!!!!
Sorry, I’ve been drinking.
by Mr. Imperial on Jul 30, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Still not enough?
Berkman, Lyon and $ for Joba. Joba finally gets the chance to be a regular in the rotation.
Don’t kill me on the idea. Just thinking out loud…
by IndianaAstrofan on Jul 30, 2010 4:47 PM CDT reply actions
no killing necessary
But laughing…that’s another story. J/k.
by Mr. Imperial on Jul 30, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I don’t like Joba… maybe it’s just his name? But I’d want someone else.
by Crazy Eye Killa on Jul 30, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Ed Wade interviewed, won't discuss trades
But he says they’ve got all their scouts in town to discuss things and they are all working very hard to get things done. Because of where the team is in the standings, all possibilities are on the table.
I’m hoping that he’ll pull off a few other trades as well. Might as well tear it to the ground. I’d like to hear of teams offering for Wandy.
by IndianaAstrofan on Jul 30, 2010 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions
On 610
They mentioned Drayton is willing to take on some of Berkman’s payroll. I still don’t imagine that nets the Astros more than a semi-prospect or AAAA player.
by Crazy Eye Killa on Jul 30, 2010 4:58 PM CDT reply actions
Depends how much "some" is
And whether he actually does include cash if given the opportunity not to do so.
I would think he wants one “name” to hang his hat on for trading the other “face of the franchise”. Selling his beloved guys for just salary relief isn’t in his “marketing” ways I wouldn’t think.
by IndianaAstrofan on Jul 30, 2010 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope so, but I’m not so optimistic. And I wouldn’t blame them for dumping Berkman’s salary because he could be back in Houston next season. So it’s really not a huge deal. The team is bad with or without Berkman.
by Crazy Eye Killa on Jul 30, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes but does the every day fan buy that thinking? Those of us that follow the game closely understand why it makes sense. I don’t think the standard fan does.
by IndianaAstrofan on Jul 30, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, everybody saw what happened with Oswalt...
They want in on the “Take Advantage of Drayton” party too.
Berkman to the Yankees appears imminent
by IndianaAstrofan on Jul 30, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Also, Berkman said Uncle D came to him with 8 teams interested in him. Berkman gave “four yays and four nays.”
by Crazy Eye Killa on Jul 30, 2010 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions
from mlbtr comments
i live close by where the yankees AAA team plays…..it was said on the news ivan nova and zach mccalister were shaking hands goodbye
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 5:02 PM CDT reply actions
be aware
that with oswalts deal, almost all comments were completely false
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions
My god there were so many rumors yesterday. I didn’t get anything done at work.
by Crazy Eye Killa on Jul 30, 2010 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions
McCalister listed as their #5 prospect according to Baseball America’s site. Not that I know the first thing about him…just looked at their site to see who was in the Yanks top 10.
by IndianaAstrofan on Jul 30, 2010 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Pre-season rankings
He’s had a bad year, and he’s never profiled as more than a no. 4 guy anyway. At this point he looks like a swingman/middle reliever.
Thanks for the update. As I said, I was going solely from their site. I haven’t seen any stats on him or anything.
by IndianaAstrofan on Jul 30, 2010 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
i believe nova is starting tonight for WB
so we will see
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions
buster on espn
thinks its probably a salary dump
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 30, 2010 5:08 PM CDT reply actions
Sprow at ESPN telling
lance story at Wrigley w/ fans yellin Fat Elvis and waving twinkies at him.. tells em to give him one and eats it between outs
damn.
Roy and Lance gone within days of each other. Rough time for a Stros fan.
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