Stark says Roy Oswalt will waive his no trade clause for the Phillies
But Brian McTaggart is throwing a little bit of ice water on the report.
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closer to what
This in all reality could me the difference from being competitive in the next 3 years or the next 6.
by Reverend Koosh on Jul 29, 2010 12:08 PM CDT reply actions
Closer to this whole mess being over
The Crawfishboxes
A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
by Stephen Higdon on Jul 29, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, I get you...
and I get go back to work….ok, not really. It’s almost time for Rum and Coke Thursday!
by Reverend Koosh on Jul 29, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
JUST DO IT!!!!!!!!
This indicates to me that Wade/Drayton aren’t going to sign off on this deal until Oswalt attempts to tie the record. Fear: Oswalt get hurts!
No way that happens.
Oswalt has already said the record won’t get in the way of a trade.
"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"
What if he slips on a baseball Rookie of the Year style and adds 20 MPH to his fastball?
by Jordan Sams on Jul 29, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
then he goes to the HOF with an Phillies cap on….
by Reverend Koosh on Jul 29, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Ken_Rosenthal Sources: Deal still not done. “Indications favorable,” details remain. 2012 option will NOT be exercised. (More) #Phillies #Astros #MLB
half a minute ago via web
Reply Retweet .
jaysonst Here’s the updated Oswalt story http://es.pn/cIIzM8. Sources now say #Astros will send $11 million to #Phillies as part of deal
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 29, 2010 12:11 PM CDT reply actions
Sources: Deal still not done. “Indications favorable,” details remain. 2012 option will NOT be exercised. (More) #Phillies #Astros #MLB
Oswalt will be compensated for waiving no-trade in some other way. #Phillies #Astros #MLB.
Damn you're quick
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A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
by Stephen Higdon on Jul 29, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
ha...
ive been reloading my twitter page
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 29, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I believe that any trade that includes more than a certain amount of money requires the Commish’s approval. Could be mistaken but that could be what they are waiting on before making an announcement.
by IndianaAstrofan on Jul 29, 2010 12:12 PM CDT reply actions
Yeah
Switching gears with the update.
The Crawfishboxes
A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
by Stephen Higdon on Jul 29, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
If he only played SS
Anthony Gose’s name floating around as candidate to go to Houston in Oswalt deal. M. Bourn making $2.4M and getting more pricey
- Crasnick on Twitter
I knew the Stros had to get at least one of “their guys”
by Reverend Koosh on Jul 29, 2010 12:14 PM CDT reply actions
i have a bad feeling
its gose and rizzoti or maybe worley
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 29, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
jasoncollette twitter
I guess at this rate Oswalt is just trying to find a time slot on ESPn and checking on Jim Grey’s availability?
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 29, 2010 12:15 PM CDT reply actions
ed price
Hearing two names from #Phillies to #Astros: RHP Vance Worley (9-4, 3.20 in AA before promotion) and OF Anthony Gose
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 29, 2010 12:17 PM CDT reply actions
it don't make sense though
if we giving 11 million and oswalt not having 2012 option picked up, singleton must be in deal
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 29, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
$11M for Gose (Worley is a grade C toss-in) doesn’t make sense at all, I agree.
Gose is a good prospect.
He’s not $11M good.
Oswalt’s got something like just under $6M this year left, and $16M next year and what is supposed to now be a $3M buyout. That’s a total of $25M. That means Phils pay him around $3M this year, $11M next year and no buyout, off him arbitration, which he’ll decline and they’ll net 2 picks.
I can’t see how it’s a win for the Astros without Singleton.
by Reverend Koosh on Jul 29, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
It won’t be, plain and simple.
"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"
especially if the Stros resign him, and give up their 1st, or more likely, 2nd round pick.
by Reverend Koosh on Jul 29, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Amy K Nelson
Filed to ESPN.com: Source says Phils will add $1m to buyout of 2012 option, to compensate for waiving of no-trade & added income tax #trades
The Crawfishboxes
A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
by Stephen Higdon on Jul 29, 2010 12:21 PM CDT reply actions
beat me to it:)
gotta love the income tax factor! doesn’t work for rockets though :(
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 29, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
good to know we got 5-7 of us trying to be the 1st to break the news
and im on a slow computer
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 29, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
also with this 1 miillion added
oswalt prolly a FA in 2012…I want him back then!
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 29, 2010 12:24 PM CDT reply actions
if the astros resign him in '12
and the Phjls offer arbitration, it’s like the Stros traded their 1st or 2nd round in ’12 pick in the deal…
by Reverend Koosh on Jul 29, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
ya just realized that
well if we a top 15 loser then they get sandwhich and what pick?
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 29, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
By then
FA compensation might have been changed in the next CBA.
"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"
that is really bad grammar
“might be changed”
"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"
Oswalt's Arbitration
I doubt the Phillies offer Oswalt arbitration. He might accept and get 16mill+ for that year. And they can’t afford a 16 mill Oswalt and afford to offer contract extensions to their core players.
from mlbtr comments
philly radio saying its happ,worley and gose….im ok with that
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 29, 2010 12:25 PM CDT reply actions
SI_JonHeyman oswalt believed likely by baseball people to accept #phillies. though haggling may still be going on.
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 29, 2010 12:26 PM CDT reply actions
Basically it seems like a couple of laywers are just feverishly hammering out the contract details
And then we get the official word.
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A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
by Stephen Higdon on Jul 29, 2010 12:26 PM CDT reply actions
I wonder if the lawyers
are doing it up “Always Sunny in Philadelphia” style by discussing it over steaks and arcade games inside Dave N Busters
by Reverend Koosh on Jul 29, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
if thats the case this deal sux for the astros
by Rupert Sanchez on Jul 29, 2010 12:26 PM CDT reply actions
Mrs. Nelson
Also, they are working out details now for Oswalt to keep his no-trade clause once he’s traded to Philly. #trades http://es.pn/b8ch1f
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 29, 2010 12:27 PM CDT reply actions
Why would we want any outfield prospects
let alone a guy like Gose? At least get a power bat and not a “toolsy” guy who probably can’t hit advanced pitching.
"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"
Stupid. What’s the difference between Austin and Gose?
by Jordan Sams on Jul 29, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
forget about that besides for a young pence and bourn
we have other OF’s
Martinez
Ovando (probably 2013 maybe 2014)
Austin
Locke
Bogusevic
all OF’s that will be there b4 gose
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 29, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe he’s a baller, with a rabbit in a hat with a bat.
by Timothy De Block on Jul 29, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
The Astros only do "toolsy"
Who needs power when you can field a team that steals 200+ bases in a season?
by Reverend Koosh on Jul 29, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Do the Phillies have two GMs?
It seems Ed Wade is still working as the Phillies GM…..he sent them Lidge and now Oswalt…
by Reverend Koosh on Jul 29, 2010 12:30 PM CDT reply actions
if mclane wants to brag about the deal
then singleton better be in there-
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 29, 2010 12:30 PM CDT reply actions
Or
If Ed Wade wanted to hit a home run.
by Timothy De Block on Jul 29, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
WE HAVE A TON OF OUTFIELD PROSPECTS WITH SPEED
IF THIS IS TRUE THIS DEAL SUX FOR THE ASTROS AND ED WADE SHOULD GET FIRED
by Rupert Sanchez on Jul 29, 2010 12:32 PM CDT reply actions
brianmctaggart Oswalt reached by MLB.com on Thursday said: “No news yet.” more at www.astros.com
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 29, 2010 12:33 PM CDT reply actions
Dude plain and simple: Singleton or fail.
We better not get just Gose and Worley with Happ. I wouldn’t mind Singleton, Gose and Worley.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 29, 2010 12:36 PM CDT reply actions
from MLBTR comments
Gargano on WIP a minute ago. Happ,Singleton and Worley
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 29, 2010 12:42 PM CDT reply actions
I believe WIP is a radio station...not sure who gargano is...
says its pending physicals tho
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 29, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
a comment in response
Heh and then moments later, 610 reported it’s Happ, GOSE and Worley.
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 29, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
a 2 sport trade
with morey there…it could happen!
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 29, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
gose, happ and worley sounds like the worst trade ever. Happ isnt going to be a great pitcher, worley has potential, and Gose is hitting .263 in A ball with over 100 strikeouts, i dont care how fast you are, if you dont get on base or put the ball in play, it doesnt matter.
We need singleton. The End.
Singleton needs to be in this deal.
Imagine a line up of…
Bourn
DD jr
Ovando
Singleton
JD Martinez
Johnson
Meir
Castro
in 2012 or 2013. I like it!
Oh yeah
Meh, I know Pence is Mclane’s guy. But with Ovando, Martinez, and DD jr (who will probably be in CF when Bourn leaves) I don’t see any room for him.
I see it as
Bourn – CF
DD Jr – 2b
Ovando – LF
Singleton – 1b
Pence – RF
Johnson – 3b
Castro – C
Mier – SS
P – Lyles, Wandy, Happ, Paulino, 5th
Bench – (Cheap Berkman?), Martinez, Gaston, other prospects
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 29, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Hopefully, it's pronounced who cares...
and we’re getting Singleton instead.
It sounds like it’s Happ, Worley, Singleton or Happ, Worley, Who Cares
SI_JonHeyman roy oswalt tredning higher than jersey shore even. pretty good sign for baseball.
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 29, 2010 12:48 PM CDT reply actions
He is referring to google trends right?
Should have seen the comparison between all the presidential candidates in 08. Ron Paul exceeded every other candidate yet got very little press by the media. I’ll stop there :)
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 29, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
The Crawfishboxes
A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
by Stephen Higdon on Jul 29, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
iam going to have a heart attack soon if we dont find out
by Rupert Sanchez on Jul 29, 2010 12:51 PM CDT reply actions
From CSN Philly
Gose and Happ are definitely in the deal, tweets CSN Philly’s Jim Salisbury.
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 29, 2010 12:54 PM CDT reply actions
another MLBTR comment
happ worley and gose is offical from philly radio who had jim salisbury on….this is a steal for the phils
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 29, 2010 1:00 PM CDT reply actions
So...
Is Wade sold on Koby taking over 1B in the next year or 2? I guess Ruben told Ed, “Bite the pillow bitch, I’m coming in dry!”
by Bacasillas on Jul 29, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why no new comments?
You would think the last post would create some hysteria.
ed_price Now have 2 people, not involved in trade, saying Phillies trading Jonathan Singleton in Oswalt deal. If so, that’s a good get for Astros.
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 29, 2010 1:06 PM CDT reply actions
This is why I'm not having hysteria
I’m still holding onto hope. I want to see an official report from Astros sources. I have an article fired up and ready to go if it is, indeed, Gose and Worley.
But I’m hoping I don’t have to post it.
im hoping you don't either...
as a matter of fact…DELETE IT NOW!
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 29, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok here's a question, would you take just Happ and Singleton?
I wouldn’t be ecstatic but I’d rather that than Happ, Gose and Worley
Yes.
If we had to take just 2 players to get Singleton. I would have done it.
Not that this means a damn thing...but
@meechone Singleton is in the lineup for Lakewood. It’s Happ, Gose, and Worley.
The Crawfishboxes
A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
Damnit...
Its one thing to trade Roy to rebuild. But to trade Roy for the sake of trading him was a bad move. We probably could have gotten a better deal in the offseason.
Even if it’s Happ, Gose, and Worley, I don’t think they traded him for the sake of trading him. I think it’s likely they are legitimately very high on Happ and Gose. Wade probably thinks Happ is a legitimate future no. 2 starter.
Meh
Still don’t like it. This team’s Achilles heal has been offense for better part of a decade now. We have yet to even address that at all.
Or...
Perhaps Wade got confused and thought he was brokering the deal for Philly.
by Aging Dominican on Jul 29, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I didn't say I agreed
I don’t. Happ is a middle rotation guy, Gose is a good prospect but too raw for blue chip status and not in any area of organizational need, Worley is a grade C throw-in.
More in my story, if I ever get to post it (accept the damn trade and get it over with, Roy).
Who knows, maybe we could move Gose or one of our other 5,000,000,000 speedy guys for something we actually need.
by Aging Dominican on Jul 29, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not like everyone is getting on planes tonight
As far as we know, Roy hasn’t officially approved anything.
The Crawfishboxes
A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
by Stephen Higdon on Jul 29, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Both teams want them too though
Oswalt and Happ both start tomorrow so they definitely want to get it done before then so each pitcher can be starting for their new team.
The game isn’t until 7:05PM tonight there’s still plenty of time to pull him from the lineup.
by Timothy De Block on Jul 29, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
One thing that confuses me
If Gose is indeed definitely part of the deal regardless of whether we get Singleton or some other prospect, where is he going to play? Are they going to push either him or Jay Austin up a level?
Gelb's actually story has Worely as the guy and not Goose
The Crawfishboxes
A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
by Stephen Higdon on Jul 29, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Looks like he has Happ and Gose and the latest report, Worley and Happ in the previous one.
The thing about both of these guys (Gose and Austin) is that their value is inextricably tied to their playing center field. I don’t think you want to have them on the same team and one playing corner outfield.
1:34pm: Oswalt has accepted the deal, tweets Matt Gelb of the Philadelphia Inquirer.
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 29, 2010 1:37 PM CDT reply actions
My feelings are sort of torn, as much as I would like to see this happen right now
I’m going to be at the ‘Stros-Brewers series this weekend and I would’ve like to see Roy’s last start as an Astro (for the foreseeable future anyway)
Maybe you'll see Happ's first start
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Jul 29, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
rosenthal
Oswalt option for ’12 actually mutual option. With trade, buyout will increase from 1M to 2M if (more). . . #Phillies #Astros #MLB
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 29, 2010 1:41 PM CDT reply actions
continue from (more)
#Phillies pick up option and Oswalt declines, becoming FA instead. Buyout will remain 2M if he simply opts out on his own.
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 29, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Now Rosenthal tweeting Jonathan Villar is in deal
That’s a lot better than Worley but still not half as good as getting Singleton.
right...if its 3 guys only
i want singleton…if its 4…then i can settle without him possibly
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 29, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Not sure how I feel about Villar
I like that we’re getting a solid MI-er in the deal but at the same time his Ks make me sick. The dude already has over 100 Ks this season. That’s almost Mark Reynolds bad.
from rosenthal
The players in the Oswalt deal, which is still not official: J.A. Happ, OF Anthony Gose, SS Jonathan Villan.
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 29, 2010 1:45 PM CDT reply actions
I swear if I wasn’t at work pleased because I have nothing to do then my blood would be boiling right now. The bad thing is I have more time to dwell on the fact that the front office is driving the franchise into the ground
Uncle D...
Probably views this as a big win, I’ll bet he’s firing his six shooters over at MMP as we speak.
by Aging Dominican on Jul 29, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Villar is another speedy guy by the way
38 steals so far this season.
But at least he plays shortstop. Although, he plays shortstop at the same level as Jio Mier, so again we come into positional conflict on current minor league teams.
cant find much about him on google
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 29, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I read he might be shaky defensively, so maybe a move to 2b is in the near future.
by MadMartygan on Jul 29, 2010 1:55 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
We don't know what it is
The Crawfishboxes
A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
by Stephen Higdon on Jul 29, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
via Twitter
thescorer
Freaky coincidence: Anthony Gose and Jay Austin are the same age down to the day. -Z #oswalt ?
by Timothy De Block on Jul 29, 2010 1:52 PM CDT reply actions
If it is for J.A. Happ, OF Anthony Gose, SS Jonathan Villar, I may not love the deal, but I don’t think it is terrible.
At least it's something.
I still don’t think it’s $11M somethings, but I’m sort of okay with it, if that’s the deal. Damning with faint praise…
Via Twitter
Ken Rosenthal
Deal is done. #Astros #Phillies #MLB
by Timothy De Block on Jul 29, 2010 1:54 PM CDT reply actions
Gose
Not a believer in Happ, but I think Gose could be a really good player. He’s got a great arm, great speed and he’s not a little guy. He’s 6-foot-1 and strong. The strikeouts are a concern, but he’s holding his own as a 19-year-old in the Florida State League. Hitting from left side will boost his average some.
Not to mention the 76 stolen bases this year.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 29, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I want to hear it's done and confirmed details
From someone else before I believe it
The Crawfishboxes
A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
right, if its done
heyman price and stark would say it too!
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 29, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
McClane Negotiating
How often has this happened?..that McClane goes completely over Ed Wade’s head in a negotiation….is it only the last stages that he takes over?..I should know..but don’t.
..agonizing since 1983...
wonder if jonthan villaR
is henry’s brother?
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 29, 2010 1:58 PM CDT reply actions
Fire Ed Wade
Oswalt + 11 mill for a back end of the rotation starter and 2 under performing A ball players.
Another fail in a long line of mistakes for the astros.
by clarkgagag on Jul 29, 2010 1:59 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
The low A players are not underperforming
And I think Happ can probably be a middle rotation guy. Plus, we don’t even know from a reliable source what the full deal is yet.
Let’s not get hasty with the talk of firings.
agreed...
i think many people will be disappointed if we dont get singleton…but from day 1 we heard he was untouchable…so not such a surprise…just growing hope after reports that he might be in the deal…it was all false hope
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 29, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Fire first, ask questions later.
This is the way of the Astros. I’m not giddy over Happ, but he’ll be a decent starter while we rebuild.
by Aging Dominican on Jul 29, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
MLB Network says four player deal
Justice is about to go on to discuss
The Crawfishboxes
A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
by Stephen Higdon on Jul 29, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
more or less what we know
J.A. Happ, Gose, and who knows
I would've rather had
Drayton and Ed try to make another push to make the Stros competitive in 2011 than make this deal. This just stinks of an organization not knowing what it’s doing.
2011?
I don’t know, 2011 seems to be pushing it. I’m willing to take another bad year if it means we have a good team for years to come.
by Aging Dominican on Jul 29, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
jaysonst Oswalt has officially OKd deal to #Phillies, sources say. Also confirmed OF Anthony Gose will go to #Astros. #trades
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 29, 2010 2:05 PM CDT reply actions
The 11 M
seems like a gross overpay.
"He’s been following him around for two weeks like his lapdog". - Stan Van Gundy about Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade
anyone have mlb network
and can tell us what RJ is saying?
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 29, 2010 2:09 PM CDT reply actions
He said nothing
He just reiterated things we knew in a Texas twang and MLB Network ate it up.
The Crawfishboxes
A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
by Stephen Higdon on Jul 29, 2010 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
ben badler
Villar is a SICK athlete with a cannon arm and good range. No power, needs to stay on top of the ball better, but he’s a solid prospect
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 29, 2010 2:13 PM CDT reply actions
todd zolecki
Deal done, source said. Oswalt and cash for Happ, Gose and Villar.
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 29, 2010 2:13 PM CDT reply actions
Look, at least we got guys with upside.
These two are not blue chip prospects, but they could easily develop into them over the next year or three. More to come in my article.
Getting Villar is MUCH better than getting Worley, in my opinion.
agree
worley was just ehh to me…villar isn’t much better on the ehh now, but has really good upsise…
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 29, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree getting Villar is better than getting Worley, but I still don’t like the trade. What exactly are we trying to do here? Someone needs to tell the FO that there are only 3 outfield positions.
by BoxyBrown on Jul 29, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
at least we got guys with upside
I expected a little more for the face of the franchise plus 11 million.
"He’s been following him around for two weeks like his lapdog". - Stan Van Gundy about Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade
by RocketsAstros on Jul 29, 2010 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Amen
The Crawfishboxes
A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
by Stephen Higdon on Jul 29, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Addressing needs
I was hoping this trade would address at least a few of our needs for the rebuilding process. Instead it seems as if more questions are raised than answered. On the plus side, at least Villar could become a solid SS is Mier is a bust.
by Aging Dominican on Jul 29, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Was it better than what Arizona got for Haren?
by BrewCongdon-GTA on Jul 29, 2010 2:24 PM CDT reply actions
When you factor in the money we sent
It’s probably about the same.
But we got better players, though.
What I take from this....
Is that we didn’t get a single player that can hit. Awesome
in this day and age
speedy outfielders with good arms who can stick at center are very valuable, say if Houston decides it wants to trade for a high calibur player. In these early years of Wade’s regime, he needs to concentrate on acquiring value over position. Looks like Ed procurred a major league ready pitcher and the two best value options, one being a SS and another being a Center Fielder. Not a great deal, but it could have been worse. Ed Wade may have bit the pillow in this one, but time will only tell.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 29, 2010 2:25 PM CDT reply actions
What does "hit the pillow" mean?
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Jul 29, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
pillowing biting is for bad people in prison who can’t defend themselves.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 29, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
According to Churchhill and Sprow we didn’t even receive on of their TOP 6 prospects in return. Plus we paid 11 mill.
:( sucks nobody overpaid from the outset. Maybe these kids will pan out eventually. The tools are there.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 29, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Jonathan Villar 42 errors in 99 games this season
and defense is his strong suit??
Not promising.
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Jul 29, 2010 2:26 PM CDT reply actions
He’s just a kid. There are a slew of above average to good fielders who slipped up in A ball. Didn’t Jeter have a ton? He’s not a great SS but he was good. He will be a liability there I’m guessing soon.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 29, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Could Jeter hit?
Villar’s best stat seems to be “sacrifice bunts”
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Jul 29, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Jeter despite his gold gloves for a majority of his career was considered a below average defender.
by Timothy De Block on Jul 29, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I suppose there are worse ways to build a farm than acquiring a lot of athletes and hoping some of them pan out.
But when are we going to address the crippling lack of impact bats in our system?
"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"
Phillz fan here
And I hate to see Happ leave however he’s going to be 28 at the end of the year and his upside keeps getting smaller and smaller.
The prospects are great prospects. I don’t think that eithor of them has come anywhere close to what they could be. I know one has some Errors issues but with Minor League fields conditions it’s expected to have a few more.
The 11 Mil was highway robbery when you look at it I think it’s gona cost the Phillz 5.5 mil over the next 2 years. So 11 milllion for a borderline Ace for 18 months in this market is unheard of.
The Phillz rotation now consists of Roy (Doc) Halladay, Roy (Wyatt) Oswalt, Cole Hamels, Joe Blanton, and Kyle Kendrick. as far as playoffs are conserned I don’t think anyone can hang with that.
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 2:29 PM CDT reply actions
Congrats, and thank you for the insight. It must be comforting to know that there is at least one GM in the majors that is worse than Amaro.
lol
Ed Wade is a double agent from Indonesia.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 29, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait
RAJ did give away Cliff Lee
However I asked TGP the question is RAJ still in the fire, he got 3 AA / AAA prospects for Cliff Lee and gets Halladay for less that what was recieved for Lee, Then gets Oswalt +11 Mil for less than he paid for Halladay.
Sounds to me like there may be some type of greater plan here.
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Before he gives Raul Ibanez a ton of money, pays way too much for Ryan Howard who is on his way through 30, trades a more economical Cliff Lee and trades other prospects for another expensive starter he already had. Ruben loves to spend the money.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 29, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Phillz have sold out the last 80+ home games so, the money is there and, if spending the money keeps fans in the stands then he’s making the right moves.
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
When you boo Roy for the first time, and he implodes, we will see how awesome this trade is. If Roy has even ever been booed in Houston, I’m sure I could count the number of times on one hand. Doubt he has.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 29, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
well jury’s out on that… I think we did ok but you all got more than we got for Cliff Lee:
Happ>Aumont (now at least)
Gose>Gillies
Villar>Ramirez
Plus, you all have been very cool to visiting Phils fans – CLASS ACT ASTROS FANS. You probably do deserve better than Ed Wade.
If the deal Ken Rosenthal reported is accurate...
Philly gets: Oswalt + 11 million
Houston gets: J.A. Happ, Anthony Gose, and Jonathan Villar.
The Astros just got hosed.
Just Oswalt
for those 3 is borderline but the 11 million makes it a joke.
"He’s been following him around for two weeks like his lapdog". - Stan Van Gundy about Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade
by RocketsAstros on Jul 29, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
My understanding was..
Adding money in a deal nets better prospects. I guess everybody but Ed Wade and Drayton McLane understand this. I wasn’t so down on the GM before, but if this deal goes down this way then he really is a complete jacka**.
My understanding
was that the 11 million was for Singleton. Why the hell are you paying to get rid of the face of your franchice?!
"He’s been following him around for two weeks like his lapdog". - Stan Van Gundy about Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade
by RocketsAstros on Jul 29, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
jcrasnick The St. Louis Cardinals jumped back into the process late this morning, but too late to prevent Oswalt from going to Philly #trades
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 29, 2010 2:35 PM CDT reply actions
also from crasnick
Also, the San Diego Padres made a surprising late run at Oswalt. Tried to get creative, but couldn’t make it work.
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 29, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
He should go down as the best Philly GM ever.
by Aging Dominican on Jul 29, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
National reporters bashed Houston for asking too much(because they wanted to see the trade happen for their ratings) and now they will undoubtedly pile on and let the world know how badly we got fleeced. We should have gotten Singleton out of this deal and I think Wade and Drayton gave in to the pressure of the situation and talk of national reporters. Happ is 28 and a #4. Villar can’t field or bat. Gose has decent upside. Gave away $11mil. No Singleton. Next headline should be “Drayton sells team and Wade is fired by new owner”
by BrewCongdon-GTA on Jul 29, 2010 2:39 PM CDT reply actions
Maybe Les Alexander can buy the Stros....
….and up Morey’s salary to run both teams
by BrewCongdon-GTA on Jul 29, 2010 2:42 PM CDT reply actions
Or
Convince Mark Cuban to buy the Stros’ instead of the Rangers.
by Aging Dominican on Jul 29, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Now we are talking. Please no 150 million dollar payrolls though.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 29, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
anyone but Drayton
would be success in my book.
"He’s been following him around for two weeks like his lapdog". - Stan Van Gundy about Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade
by RocketsAstros on Jul 29, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Can't believe I'm about say this
but don’t judge Wade just yet. If these young players pan out (whicj is most likely 2-3yrs away) then this trade was a success. If Arnsberg (who turned Halladay around) helps Happ become a front end of rotation things have worked out, especially since 4.5 yrs younger than Oswalt and under team control til 2014. I know its alot of ifs here but you never know. And if these guys do pan out along with all the young toolsy players already in the system, then having all these talented young guys in good for the franchise.
I agree
and I realize I need to do my best sifting through the BS the media will unveil calling it a heist or whatever.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 29, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Outside looking in
It seems like a solid move to the future I don’t know what your farm looks like however if there is a player or 2 ready to come up next year + these 2 guys with the right coaching could become solid starters. Happ has not had his best year yet. I Expect him to pitch well for the next 6 years or so.
Hey Dez, it's 2am do you know where your mother is?
by sowhatifitisasportste on Jul 29, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Justice on MLBN
Astros got salary relief, a comparable, credible pitcher in J.A. Happ, and a couple of prospects, so all in all they did ok.
It's pretty easy to get salary relief..
When you spend $11M..
just an fyi to the front office
I am also gladly accepting handouts in the form of MILLIONS of dollars.
(worth a shot)
I really like this deal if
we sell high on Michael Bourn knowing he’s getting closer to thirty and may never be as valuable as now. He may win back to back gold gloves in Center Field. I bet we could get an impact starting pitcher for him and move up one of Austin or Gose on the fast track to play Center for Houston.
Possibly keep the one of Gose and Austin that profiles to have a higher ceiling in the minors to develop into the mainstay at center for years to come. Best case senario pipe dreamola.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 29, 2010 2:59 PM CDT reply actions
Hunter Pence is
When I was at the game yesterday, most of the commercials on the big screen were Pence related. Should be Bourn though sinces he’s from here. He just doesn’t have the bat.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 29, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I was playing GM
when owners and GMs stop having man crushes and sell high on peaking pieces.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 29, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Kinsler to DL.
Think Keppinger may be an option for them since we are a salary relief charity clinic?
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 29, 2010 3:00 PM CDT reply actions
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