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Roy, Astros Fall Short In 7-0 Loss

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In a publicized start in front of legions of scouts, Roy Oswalt failed to deliver his franchise-tying victory. Instead, he got beat up early and often by this potent Reds offense, though it probably did nothing to hurt his trade stock.

Oswalt left early, leaving the Astros to lean again on a depleted bullpen. Newly imported Nelson Figueroa threw two scoreless innings, as did Gustavo Chacin. Chris Sampson was not as lucky, giving up a run in his only inning of work.

Sampson's punishment may have been a little harsh. After the game, GM Ed Wade announced that Sampson had been sent down to Round Rock and Corpus Christi lefty Fernando Abad had been called up. Abad started some games at the end of last season and to begin the 2010 season, but has not started a game since returning from injury. He figures to be used as another lefty in the 'pen.

The most disappointing part of this game was the offense. The Astros just could not figure out Johnny Cueto. Only Chris Johnson had any success off the young hurler, going 2 for 3 with a strikeout. Both Hunter Pence and Angel Sanchez were 1 for 4 and were the only other Astros to get hits. Cueto lasted eight innings, giving up the four hits and one walk while striking out six. More tellingly, the Astros only managed one line drive off Cueto, meaning they were not making good contact against him all night. 

Disappointing may be the best way to describe this season, but it's felt doubly appropriate for this weekend. With no news in the Roy Sweepstakes and the losses against the Reds piling up, it has definitely left my expectations wanting. Do you want a picture to describe that feeling? Try this WPA graph...

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via www.fangraphs.com

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Yeah, all the trade talk is starting to really stress me out. I’m getting pretty tempted to just shut it down until the deadline passes.

by OremLK on Jul 24, 2010 9:06 PM CDT reply actions  

hahaha

I hear you but you know you won’t be able to… as we can see by your ensuing post 3 min later.

by hardcap on Jul 24, 2010 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

glad im not the only one who does that same thing

by StrosSouth on Jul 24, 2010 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would like to think that this outing has no serious effect on Oswalt’s trade value. But I’m not sure. Tonight’s outing certainly didn’t help out the Astros on the trading front.

by clack on Jul 24, 2010 9:06 PM CDT reply actions  

I don’t think it will. If it does, then I’m sure they won’t trade him before his next start, which we’ll just have to hope is a rebound outing which convinces teams he’s fine.

by OremLK on Jul 24, 2010 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did you guys see this comment?

http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/07/24/source-phillies-not-relenting-in-pursuit-of-roy-oswalt-dan-har/

One scout in attendance who does not work for one of the aforementioned teams was not impressed with Oswalt’s showing, saying his fastball was straight and his command “slightly below average.”

My thought: Hasn’t Roy always had kind of a straight fastball? When he’s on, he’s just so good at hitting corners and mixing up his location and other pitches.

by hardcap on Jul 24, 2010 9:16 PM CDT reply actions  

don’t breathe anything into it. EVERYBODY knows what Roy is capable of and what he is made of. Hell get traded. Prob an AL scout anyhow.

by StrosSouth on Jul 24, 2010 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree not to look into it.

I was just surprised to see that part of the comment.

Unless I’m mistaken, Roy has always had a relatively straight fastball.

by hardcap on Jul 24, 2010 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

…I’ve read reports from batters over the years who say that Oswalt’s fastball is almost like an optical illusion. It appears to be rising as it comes in, but it ends up at the knees. That particular description was by Curt Schilling, who said that Papelbon throws a similar fastball.

by clack on Jul 24, 2010 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I see... wasn't sure

just was my uneducated impression.

I know there are a lot of advanced stats out there.

I wonder how the movement on Roy’s fastball compares to other elite pitchers.

by hardcap on Jul 24, 2010 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’ve read that several scouts have said that Roy will be fine in the AL.

by Timothy De Block on Jul 25, 2010 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well if there is someone whose word you can trust its Schilling

by StrosSouth on Jul 24, 2010 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also in that article:

The Phillies, according to an official of an American League team, are determined to acquire Dan Haren or Roy Oswalt.

I guess we better hope they lose out on Haren in the next few days.

by OremLK on Jul 24, 2010 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure what the Phillies have to offer the D-Backs. Of course, I suppose a Werth trade might help them acquire what the D-Backs would want. But the D-Backs want players who can help in the major leagues right now. The D-Backs feel that their lower minors are well stocked but that their upper minors are not in a good position to supply the major league team. So, they might want a young major leaguer as the center piece of a trade.

by clack on Jul 24, 2010 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

AZ was asking for Joba and their top pitching prospect and someone else and wanted NY to take on all of contract.

by StrosSouth on Jul 24, 2010 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haren’s contract is very favorable. Arizona shouldn’t be expected to pay any of it. Haren’s salary is something just over $8 million/year, and he won’t be a free agent for three year.

by clack on Jul 24, 2010 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

all the reports Ive have said the there is $33 mil left on his contract. maybe a buyout clause is the cause

by StrosSouth on Jul 24, 2010 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

His contract is very favorable this year, but it’s actually not much different from Oswalt’s from 2011-2012 (if Oswalt demands his option picked up). Haren is owed $25.5M in those two years, plus a $3.5M buyout for his 2013 option (which costs $15.5M to pick up).

Oswalt is owed $32M for 2011-2012; $16M in just 2011 with a $2M buyout for ’12.

It depends on what a team is looking for I guess. If they want a starter through the 2012 season, the Astros could easily kick in enough money to make Oswalt seem the better option… if McLane is willing to do that.

by OremLK on Jul 24, 2010 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

dont know what else to tell you other than those are the reports that I hear but then again im here in Corpus and not in AZ or NY.

by StrosSouth on Jul 24, 2010 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

If its any sign the Yankees told AZ no way to Haren trade. AZ wants ALOT for Haren who has had some issues all season and is also due like $33million on his contract

by StrosSouth on Jul 24, 2010 9:26 PM CDT reply actions  

lol. dont know how serious as they havent announced type of injury or just cramps

by StrosSouth on Jul 24, 2010 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Koby hit a cripple triple??

I hope he’s okay in the morning.

Astros fan for life

by Joe in Birmingham on Jul 24, 2010 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m dissapointed that Roy got beat up, but aside from that, I have no problem losing to the Reds. It puts more pressure on St. Louis to make a move, and it helps out odds in the Rendon sweepstakes.

by seanbergmanrules on Jul 24, 2010 9:50 PM CDT reply actions  

getting Rendon will take a near and utter collapse of the Stros. Its possible though.

by StrosSouth on Jul 24, 2010 9:52 PM CDT reply actions  

it’s not happening. too many other teams to pass up.

by clack on Jul 24, 2010 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

There’s still a small chance, but I agree it’s getting more and more unlikely. The only way I could see it happening is if there is a true fire sale, including most of our tradeable assets getting moved, and very few if any major league ready pieces coming back. It would also require Baltimore going on a run which is going to be tough in that division.

by OremLK on Jul 24, 2010 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I personally think something is up. Recently weve acquired multiple utility type IF’s and vet pitcher. we seem to now a few too many of these IF’s between RR and the Stros. It just smells like something is about to happen or they are just looking for some immediate veteran help.

by StrosSouth on Jul 24, 2010 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Getting first pick by losing lots of games is only the first hurdle, and probably the easiest one. Finding the money to pay his signing bonus, to me, seems almost insurmountable. Purke will likely have the same issue.

by AstroAndy on Jul 24, 2010 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

no the utter collapse of the team is possible.

by StrosSouth on Jul 24, 2010 10:01 PM CDT reply actions  

if

we trade both Roy and Myers our loss count should pick up immediately.

"He’s been following him around for two weeks like his lapdog". - Stan Van Gundy about Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade

by RocketsAstros on Jul 25, 2010 3:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

expect the Astros’ competition to be trading players at the deadline too. the Mariners already have.

by clack on Jul 25, 2010 5:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

SI John Heyman

says phils more focused on oswalt…also phils prospect was scrathced from sunday start (healthy)…indication?

by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 24, 2010 10:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Could have been worse

Our centre fielder could have dropped a routine flyball to spoil a perfect game, then go on to lose the game 5-1.

by AstroB on Jul 25, 2010 4:50 AM CDT reply actions  

No our CF would of caught it he just wouldnt be able to get on base to help score runs

by StrosSouth on Jul 25, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Anderson Hernandez starting at shortstop

I guess we’ll learn quickly if Astros need him. I hope his start is more productive than his pinch hit appearance.

Astros fan for life

by Joe in Birmingham on Jul 25, 2010 12:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Reds Sunday Pitcher Mike Leake is 7-1

Another tough go for the Astros.

But he can be had. He’s given up 5 and 6 runs a couple of times this season.

Astros fan for life

by Joe in Birmingham on Jul 25, 2010 1:04 PM CDT reply actions  

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