Pondering Ed Wade, The Trade Deadline and GM Evaluation
Two days ago, I asked everyone to grade Ed Wade on his tenure as the General Manager of the Houston Astros. Evan had originally asked the question after Wade had been the GM for one and half seasons and the plurality of us gave him a B. A year later, the prevailing opinion gave him a C. The margin in both years between a B and C was slim, so it seems that only the slightest of tilts, if any, occurred between years (given the likely large margin of error). Now, with Ed Wade probably in the most critical situation he will ever face as an Astros GM, all eyes are on the man at the helm. As some of you pointed out two days ago, perceptions of Wade will likely shift—drastically so, I'll estimate—once 11:59 PM EDT on July 31st passes.
When I decided to have everyone grade Wade again, I considered holding off until after the deadline, but I realized that the trade deadline will likely exacerbate a far too subjective polarization amongst us. Thus, the results wouldn't generate a real barometer for the opinions we hold of Wade's holistic body of work, but, rather, two—possibly three—deadline trades that do or do not get done.
It is an understandable reaction, though. I don't know if there is anything I enjoy more than the unbridled joy of putting together a number of trade packages and hashing out the pluses and minuses of them no matter how far-fetched they may be. A close second is reacting to the trade or signing that does take place. In this vein, over a dinner of delicious, delicious wings, Evan and I hashed out our takes on the Oswalt trade situation for two solid hours (between bouts of Evan nearly devolving into a frightened three year old talking about taking the bar in six short, short days). Somewhere amidst our gluttony of both stomach and tongue, Evan said one thing that caused me to fall deep in thought on the drive home: "What Ed Wade does in the next week will likely completely shape my opinion on his tenure."
I am not sure if I will find myself in that camp, though. I'll explain why after the jump.
As saber-slanted as we tend to be around here, one thing we constantly harp on is the importance of sample-sizes. That caveat is an important qualifier to consider in far more important contexts than baseball stats-something that has been drilled into my brain during my social science education. In fact, my dad, a financial analyst, and I got into a fairly esoteric discussion on various thresholds for sample sizes in business dealings as compared to PAs/IPs/fielding chances, etc. the other night. It was that conversation, coupled with Evan's comment, that brought a lot into focus for me.
Saberists love to analyze, dissect, assign value, declare winners and losers, etc. to just about every move a GM makes and from there proselytize on how good, bad, awful, or godlike a GM is. Jack Z was a god amongst mere mortals this offseason, Billy Beane once had a Midas touch, and Minaya, Wade, and Dayton Moore are a bunch dunder-headed neanderthals. I am intentionally trying to play up both the fallacy and the grain of truth that exists in some recent evaluations of GMs, but I also want to beg the question(s): Do we ever really get a meaningful enough sample on GM's to say such things? And if we do or don't, what would meaningful sample be?
Perhaps more insidious than even the sample size caveat is the question: do we really even have all of the information necessary to objectively understand the data we are analyzing? Colin Wyers has gotten a lot of mileage and great discussion out of opining on whether or not we can even measure fielding in such away that metrics such as UZR or DRS are even worth looking at. The main issue, from Wyers' perspective, is inherent biases in the data and methodology. In the context of GMs, we have no indication of what their owners are and are not allowing them to do, what all the proposed packages were, and how other parties were impacting the negotiations. All of these are crucial factors in understanding how we came to collect a data point so that we can accurately analyze it in the context of the bigger picture.
Those are two methodological issues I wish for to keep on my mind as the next week progresses and we try to keep pace with all the news and rumors. There are also factors that simply take time to evaluate and cannot be foreseen in the present. For example: Bourn for Lidge looked downright awful for a year. Tejada for the farm and Luke Scott caused quite the controversy as well. Keppinger for Drew Sutton made me want to burn MMP down momentarily. Commentators mocked Wade for signing Myers, and, to the same commentators, the Lyon contract was ridiculed as possibly the worst contract of the offseason. No one thought Randy Wolf or LaTroy Hawkins would be worth the now forgotten prospects dealt. I could go on and on and on. Yes, we have trade value calculators that allow us to say, in a quantified fashion, what the relative values being traded or acquired may be, but we do not have infallible tools to say much with certainty at the time.*
As we wait with bated breath to see where Roy Oswalt, Brett Myers, Jeff Keppinger, and Wandy Rodriguez may or may not end up, I want to keep myself attuned to the line of thought I am trying to explicate. I need to remember that if I could have graded Ed Wade after December, I would have considered giving him a C. If I had been able to grade him at the trade deadline in 2008, it would have been an F. However, when I was given an appropriate amount of time to see the deals and signings take shape this year, and last year, I gave Wade a B both times. Yes, last year it was a straight B and this year a B-, but I don't think much about the fundamental direction Wade is trying to take the Astros has changed. The minus this year simply denotes my disappointment in course Wade is choosing navigate to his endpoint.
After this week, the faint outline of a plan we have seen forming will likely be much clearer, but I do not believe the results of this week should drastically alter our perception of Wade. Instead of drastic shifts, we will be only one, two, or three data point(s) closer to getting a true picture of Wade's capabilities and it will take much more time and data points to truly understand what the new data gained will ultimately mean. Further, their meaning will not be confined solely to their long-term outcome either. What Wade does in the offseason, the next draft, and the next deadline, all combined with the outcome of previous drafts, signings, and trades, will ultimately shape the narrative will tell of this trade deadline and the prior trajectory Wade charted to get there.
*I do not want to discount the valuable analysis that can come from trade valuations, etc. Lord knows that I love this avenue of analysis more than most things on this planet. But winners and losers aren't ever really declared until we gain the benefit of hindsight. The more I have pondered what I am trying to say, the more I feel like we have a Malcom Gladwell Outliers issue on our hands.
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Well, there's a Whataburger among other things
“I don’t know if there is anything I enjoy more than the unbridled joy of putting together a number of trade packages and hashing out the pluses and minuses of them no matter how far-fetched they may be.”
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Jul 22, 2010 1:23 PM CDT reply actions
Damn you for being so wise
The Crawfishboxes
A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
by Stephen Higdon on Jul 22, 2010 1:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I was being silly
But living outside Texas, I miss easy access to Whataburger and eating them in my visits home is a real treat.
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Jul 22, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
In college, I was three minutes from a Whataburger...and it was paradise
The Crawfishboxes
A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
by Stephen Higdon on Jul 22, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
That’s a good post. I agree with most of your points, which are thoughtful.
In fairness, a GM like Wade should be judged only on what he can control. He can’t control whatever limits that McLane places on him. He can’t control injuries or market conditions. He can’t control what other teams think or want. (He may be able to influence these things marginally, and he should try to do so.) He should be judged on how well he anticipates and reacts to these things he can’t control. But our view is obscured; we may not know all of the problems he faced.
Having layed out a rather academic standard, what would cause me to significantly downgrade Wade? If Wade appears to have panicked, and picked up too little talent in exchange for Oswalt just to get a deal done, I would be disappointed. I won’t automatically ding Wade for failing to make a trade, because the market may not have been there. If Wade can’t get suitable trades done because the Astros won’t send enough money, I tend to assume that is Drayton’s limitation.
If a deal is made and we get prospects back, it may take 4/5 years to tell who got the best deal.
Looks like we're thinking along the same lines
See my post below
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Jul 22, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Realistically
grading Wade on any trade would be tough. Do you grade on potential or do you wait for five years to see what developed :
Case in point: Brad Lidge – Michael Bourn trade
If the trade in the long run is a disaster but looked good at the time, whart grade do you give him? and vice versa. If you are stunned that the Astros only got a relatively average power hitting AA third baseman for one of the best middle relievers in the game (Say Giving up Larry Andersen for Jeff Bagwell and his 4 homeruns at AA) and it turns out the Jeff Bagwell guy becomes a star, do you say great GM or that it was bad trade at the time or he got lucky.
case in Point:: Jeff Keppinger. Who knows, maybe Angel Sanchez.
Do you remember articles that started this way:" The Astros acquired lefthander Randy Wolf from the San Diego Padres this afternoon in exchange for minor-league righthander Chad Reineke." I do, and the guffaws from the San Diego fans that Houston got taken.
Better get back to work
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Jul 22, 2010 1:40 PM CDT reply actions
My grade was a B-
but it will fall drastically if Wade does not move Brett Myers. He has the highest trade value he’s ever going to have RIGHT NOW and he’s cheap. Team should be falling over each other to trade for the guy.
Here's how you grade Wade, and it's simple.
His record. He took over the team after the ’07 season. The Astros winning % since he took over are as follows:
2008 – .534
2009 – .457
2010 – .411
The team has regressed since he has become the Astros GM.
I really can’t see how anybody can argue that Ed Wade has made this team better since he took over. And that’s his job, make this team better, not worse, so it seems he’s failing, which is why I don’t understand how people give him a B.
by Reverend Koosh on Jul 22, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Can I say he’s made the Astros better? No. Can I say he’s made the Houston Astros Baseball Organization, as a whole, including on-field management, scouting, international scouting, and minor league player development. Undoubtedly.
You’ve got to lay a good foundation before you can put up the drywall, otherwise one bad wind will destroy everything.
I agree with AstroAndy
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Jul 22, 2010 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Most of which is due to the actions of the general manager before him. Seriously, how hard is it to understand what an unholy mess Wade came in to take over?
By the way, when most of us are saying he’s a grade B, I think we are generally thinking B- which would be considered a little above average. When you look at the mess he was left with to take over, I’d say he’s done an average job of dealing with it in the short term. I definitely think there are plenty of general managers who could have done a better job keeping the big league club afloat while rebuilding, but he’s done okay in that he’s made some good moves to go with the bad, and he didn’t sink us with any big contracts.
It’s his long term foresight which pushes him above average. He brought in Bobby Heck, and together they’ve breathed life into a dead farm system and most importantly convinced Drayton McLane to actually spend serious money on the draft, international signings, and player development. You don’t see results from that right away, which is why judging him by the MLB win/loss record is silly. It won’t start making a significant impact on the big league team until at least next season.
How Brad Mills finally works out
will reflect on Wade also
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Jul 22, 2010 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Three years in, Wade’s had plenty of time to at least correct the ship or at the very least show the fans there is a plan for the major league team. When he’s busy picking up the Pedro Feliz’s of the world, it’s hard for me to get behind that plan. He inherited a winning team and it’s gone south since then.
I get that it’s easy to blame Purpura, he was a disaster, but the only lingering effects from his tenure are:
1. The ’07 draft, where Collin Delome was their top signed choice
2. Carlos Lee, where frankly those type of contracts are on the ownership more than the GM. Plus don’t act like Ed Wade wouldn’t have signed Lee to that contract if he was the GM back in the offseason of ’06.
Purpura made other mistakes like:
- Jason Jennings, which cost the Astros almost nothing in the long run
- Woody Williams, cost the Astros only money and 1 draft pick in ’07.
- Preston Wilson, cost the Astros only money
In reality, we are far enough along that the position the team is in, isn’t the fault of Tim Purpura, but Ed Wade and faulty management.
by Reverend Koosh on Jul 22, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
So what is Wade supposed to achieve with
1. no payroll flexibility
2. no talent coming from the minors?
They had enough payroll flexibility to acquire an aging and declining Miguel Tejada for $15M a year.
by Reverend Koosh on Jul 22, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
McLane had wanted him for a long time
At least, that’s what was bandied about. If that’s the case he may have been the driving factor in acquiring Miggy.
In the end, Tejada was worth pretty close to that; going by FanGraphs, he was worth $14.4M in 2008 and $12.2M in 2009. And did we even give up anything of consequence (besides the money) to acquire him?
no payroll flexibility
is probably a good thing considering the free agents he signed so far….
by Reverend Koosh on Jul 22, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, that botched '07 draft was pretty darn important
Especially since he also performed poorly in the drafts prior to that one.
Botching the draft that badly for that long is a great way to wreck a farm system, and in the long run, an organization.
‘06 was worse than ’05 IMHO and they were both terrible. The ’06 draft only has 4 players still in the system: Johnson, Norris, Sergio Perez, and Jimmy Van Ostrand. Pretty crummy when a fringe everyday 3B and a 5th starter is all you get out of an entire draft. ’05 has Manzella, Bogusevic, Clemens, Brandon Barnes, and Mark Ori. The jury will somewhat be out until we get to see what becomes of Bogie and Clemens, but it definitely won’t be a stellar draft by any stretch. Not much hope for the ‘07 draft; 7 players remain from it, but none are expected to be stars, and only 3 or 4 are on pace to reach the majors (DeLome, Cartwright, Greenwalt, maybe Wabick or Pitkin). The difference between ’05-’07 and ‘08-’10 is DRASTIC.
by Snake Diggity on Jul 23, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Really?
That’s how your judging him? You aren’t taking into consideration financial restrictions, current personnel, market conditions, owner Influence, organization depth & efficiency?
I think that is quite short-sighted. Have you just starting following The Astros?
So I guess that would make Tim Purpura a much better GM?
This is silly to me. If I, ME personally became the GM of the Yankees today, would you consider me a very good gm just sitting there watching the Yankees make the playoffs? I would have a positive win % after all.
Look up Kevin Towers: A Great example of how conditions can effect a teams success.
It’s not so much the record, but lets be honest, this team sucks, and they’ve gotten worse each year Ed Wade’s been around. Is it really that hard to believe next year this team could be worse?
There’s only 3 starters left over from the ’07 team – Berkman, Lee and Pence. He started this season with the likes of Kaz Matsui at 2nd and Pedro Feliz at 3b, both the worst offensively at their position in the NL. Those two guys are completely and soley on Ed Wade.
by Reverend Koosh on Jul 22, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
sigh
This is hardly even worth arguing.
Wade has improved this entire organization. From cleaning house and bringing in well respected positive front office guys, establishing am emphasis on talent development through the draft (something other gm’s couldn’t convince Drayton to do) and has already significantly improved our farm, he has signed no huge, long term contracts to tie up finances during our rebuilding, he has found several scrap heap guys who have made real contributions, he has brought in a very well respected pitching coach, and a manager who has given me no reason to believe he won’t succeed when the 25man looks a little better.
Being a good GM is about taking what you are given and making it better. He was given a financially strapped, OLD, unhappy team with nothing coming in the way of prospects and turned it into a younger, organized promising franchise with a clear direction.
I get the idea of judging GMs by winning records. That’s one way to do it. Actually, I think that’s how Drayton McLane expects things to happen. And some would argue that McLane’s expectation of a winning record every year has exacerbated the current situation. Wade has had to tip toe that line of putting together “competitive teams” as instructed by McLane, and trying to rebuild the team from below at the same time. I don’t agree with many of Wade’s decisions in doing that, but I don’t know if anyone would have been entirely successful.
I would also point out that the Astros’ record was .451 in 2007 before Wade was hired. Wade’s attempt to satisfy McLane desire for a competitive team worked in 2008, but failed in 2009 after McLane cut his budget by about $10 million.
Then at what point is Ed Wade held accountable?
If he has 3 straight losing seasons (does anyone think they’ll be an above .500 team next year) does he take any blame?
How long does it take a prospect to get to the majors on average?
Add two years to that figure and I’d say you’re getting pretty close.
We’re not there yet and we won’t be for at least a couple more years.
so you’re saying Ed Wade needs at least 5 years of being on the job before he takes any blame?
by Reverend Koosh on Jul 22, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
There is a diff
between taking blame and being a good GM.
Basically, right now, we’re riding the peak of the mess Tim Purpura created. The backbone of a healthy organization would be a large number of inexpensive, productive players from the ‘05-’07 drafts.
That we don’t have a single impact player from those drafts should tell you how healthy the organization is. Off the top of my head, there is Chris Johnson, Tommy Manzella, and Bud Norris. Do those sound like a backbone to you?
About 2013 is when we should start seeing real impact players, drafted by Ed Wade’s front office, performing at the peak of their abilities.
2012
If things aren’t looking up by then, we should start looking for changes. Hopefully Castro, Lyles, etc. will be established. And Wade should have some financial flexibility to sign FAs and make trades.
I do think Wade has done a good job of convincing McClane to invest in player development, which is a huge deal IMO. He’s been hit and miss on his other moves, but at least Wade is competent, more than can be said for Purpura.
If I’m the owner, I think I have to evaluate his decisions individually based on the circumstances Wade faced. I realize some decisions will work out and some won’t. If I am going to cut his budget, I have to give him more leeway for free agent signings which don’t work out, because he will have to search the scrap heap more. In the end, one of the most positive things Wade has done during this period is to avoid long term crushing contracts. If he had signed Chone Figgins to a $48 million 4/5 year contract, like Jack Z did, the Astros would be in even worse trouble. I graded him B (leaning B-, like many others). That’s not a great grade, but it’s not a failure. If I had my druthers, Wade would take over the president position, and a more analytical GM would be hired, perhaps like Luhnow, the Assistant GM in St. Louis.
Wade had three huge weights dictating the shape of this team. Lance Berkman’s contract, Carlos Lee’s contract and Roy Oswalt’s contract. He had to build the team around those. Every piece he acquired was with an eye towards being complementary to them, not replacing them. He needed a leadoff hitter, so he got Michael Bourn, who solidified outfield defense and helps the Astros tremendously out there.
Pedro Feliz, Jeff Keppinger, heck, even the bullpen signings were supposed to supplement the core of the lineup, which he could not change. Why trade for Miguel Tejada? Because this team had an expiration date on it the moment he walked in the door. No minor league depth in 2007 meant no help was forthcoming.
The rotation has been filled with cost-effective guys. For as much as we dog on Brian Moehler, he’s been a fairly valuable part to this team for three years now. I don’t like all of his moves, but he’s been dealing with a fairly sizeable handicap for quite some time. Once Oswalt, Berkman and Lee are gone, then you hold him accountable for the team not winning.
In the big picture, this recent losing trend is what happens when an older team grows too old and has to restock. Every team goes through it from time to time. Wade should be held accountable for the won/loss record, just as every GM should be. But, I can show you a ton of GMs who were good at their jobs, but were fired because of the team they oversaw. It’s how the game works. If Wade hadn’t understood this on some level and traded for Scott Rolen, Alex Gonzalez and signed Randy Wolf to a big deal, this team might be close to .500 right now and possibly even hovering around the playoffs. But, would we really be winning anything long-term?
by David Coleman on Jul 22, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I get that Oswalt, Berkman and Lee are the core he has/had to deal with. Those are three large contracts that make up roughly half if not a bit more of the payroll (depending on the year). That said, it’s not like Ed Wade doesn’t have a history of signing guys like Oswalt, Berkman and Lee to those types of contracts. He’s not doing anything different than he did with the Phillies and I guess if we’re lucky and Ed Wade is fired after the 2015 season, we can all expect to see the Astros win the World Series in 2018.
by Reverend Koosh on Jul 22, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Examples of good Wade contract while in Philly
Scott Rolen – 4 year, 10 million in 1998
Bobby Abreu – 3 year, 14.2 million in 2000
Randy Wolf – 4 year, 22.4 million in 2003
Jimmy Rollins – 5 year, 40 million in 2005 (right before he was fired)
Mike Lieberthal – 6 year, 37.5 million in 2000
Bad contracts
Bobby Abreu – 5 years, 64 million in 2003
Jim Thome – 6 years, 85 million in 2003
Pat Burrell – 6 years 50 million in 2003
Only the Thome signing stands out as really bad. Burrell’s contract was pretty reasonable for most of it. Abreu was and is a good player. That Jimmy Rollins contract is really a steal, for his position and bat skills. All in all, Wade does a pretty good job with big-ticket free agency. After all, can you really blame him for signing Thome when they had a chance?
by David Coleman on Jul 22, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
None of those “bad” contracts are really bad. I didn’t like the Burrell’s contract much and it is the only one I would criticize. Jim Thome’s WAR value exceeded his salary by a substantial margin every year in Philly except 2005. Bobby Abreu’s WAR value exceeded his salary by a nice margin every year up until he was traded in 2005. Burrell’s WAR exceeded his salary up until 2006, when his WAR started falling behind his salary.
Yeah, and the only outsider he signed to one of these contracts was Thome. So, he’s not willy-nilly throwing money around on free agents. Thome’s was also following those insanely bloated contracts from 2000-2003 that teams eventually started realizing were ridiculous.
(what? Mark Te-who?)
by David Coleman on Jul 22, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Based on the above
It seems he would have signed Oswalt and Berkman, but probably not Lee. Which sounds pretty good to me.
Do you not recall all the praise Ed Wade got when the Phillies won the World Series?
How all the players he had drafted, etc. had become the backbone of that team? Do you not seem the similarities in the chart Wade is plotting for this franchise?
Do I like the signings Ed Wade has made, with the exception of Myers- no. Have there really been any signings that cause me to spit at the thought of them? No. Wade has never given a player more than $5 million/yr. Realistically, though, Wade has had about a $15-20 million/season budget to fill a myriad of holes in the Astros roster precisely because the later Hunsicker years/the Purpura years totally raped and pillaged the farm system.
No one here is saying that Ed Wade walks on water. What we are saying is that Wade has done an exceptionally good job of getting Drayton to believe in the power of draft picks, made some savvy trades, and hasn’t screwed up in a meaningful way. That’s a lot, but it’s not every thing. It makes him slightly above average.
The Crawfishboxes
A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
by Stephen Higdon on Jul 22, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I get what he’s doing, but show me the Chase Utley, Ryan Howard, Jimmy Rollins that the Astros have in their farm system….
by Reverend Koosh on Jul 22, 2010 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions
The obvious comparisons to draw would be Delino DeShields, Ariel Ovando, and Jiovanni Mier, although they are all far enough from the majors that we don’t really know how they will turn out at this point.
exactly
I’m hopeful with Ovando and Mier and not sold yet on DeShields. Though I don’t think DeShields has the ceiling of Utley (who does?), Ovando might reach Howard level but that’s alot to say for a 16 year old kid and Mier is having some serious struggles that I’m not so sure where he profiles now….
by Reverend Koosh on Jul 22, 2010 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Castro, Mier, Martinez, Austin, Ovando and DeShields all have that kind of All-Star potential. The next level of prospects (Kvasnicka, Shuck, Gaston, Heath, Nash) could be in the argument as well. We won’t know for 3 years, but the farm has improved drastically in Wade’s tenure.
by Snake Diggity on Jul 23, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions

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