Rumor Wednesday Astros Roundup
It's been a busy day for rumors about Roy and Co. I thought it prudent to end the day with another post, running down all the various rumors, quotes and snippets running around the internets.
UPDATE: Saw this on Twitter. TCB contributor allphilla may just be messing with me and the rest of his followers, but he found a source that said the three-team trade between Houston, Philadelphia and Tampa Bay will look like this:
Houston sends Roy Oswalt, Jeff Keppinger and 7.5 million to Philly
Houston sends J.R. Towles to Tampa Bay
Philadelphia sends Jason Werth and an unnamed prospect to Tampa Bay
Tampa Bay sends Wade Davis, Reid Brignac and Matt Moore to Houston
Philly sends Jonathan Singleton and Jarrod Cosart to Houston
THIS TRADE MAKES ME GIDDY. So, it almost certainly has to be false. I'm dubious. Dubious, indeed.
UPDATE II: NOOOOOOOOOOOO. NOOOOOOOOOOOOO. NOOOOOOOOOOO. Craig Calcaterra just kicked me in the Carl Crawfords with this story. The only worse scenario is if the Astros traded him to the Cubs straight up for Alfonso Soriano. Thanks, Craig. And before you start saying, "Shelby Miller. Shelby Miller," I'll ask this question. Who else do they have? Who else is getting in this trade? Crap. The Cards have the worst farm system in the league. I repeat...NOOOOOOOOO.
- The day began with the fallout of all those Roy-to-the-Phillies rumors that broke Tuesday night. Sources such as Jayson Stark reported that a deal was progressing and that the Phillies would then flip right fielder Jason Werth to another team (likely the Tampa Bay Rays) to make room for Roy's salary.
- Speculation at first centered on the prospects the Astros would receive from Philadelphia. Triple-A outfielder Domonic Brown was never seriously mentioned as a possible add-in, since the Phillies were going to install him in right once they moved Werth.
- After the rumors broke, owner Drayton McLane was quoted by Brian McTaggart and Bernardo Fallas as saying, "nothing is imminent." He went on to suggest that Oswalt may not be traded until right before the deadline, to maximize his return. This would obviously be bad for the Philadelphia deal, because the Phillies are looking for immediate help in their rotation after Jamie Moyer's injury.
- Oswalt was asked by reporters before the game whether he had heard anything about a possible trade to Philadelphia. He was quoted at one point as saying he'd be open to the Phillies, but then back-tracked later in his quotes. The first time, he said the team hadn't contacted him, but that he was willing to go to Philly. The second time, he said it would "have to work for us" for him to approve it. I'm not sure if he meant the Astros with that "us" or his family.
- More reports surfaced, claiming that Roy was holding up a possible deal because he wanted the Phillies to guarantee his 2012 option. When reached after the game, Roy said "I don't handle that stuff." To me, that reads like he's letting his agent handle all his contract affairs (smart) and that his denials that the Astros had approached him about waiving his no-trade clause as smoke. If his agent is able to talk with the Astros about a possible deal, Oswalt may not have been approached by the team, but may have been told by his agent that something is going on. It's in his best interest to stay quiet on deals like this with a lot of moving parts until things are certain. I believe the military calls it "plausible deniability."
- Late in the day, Jon Heyman joined the list of national reporters chiming in on this deal, saying that the Phillies were trying to acquire prospects from Tampa Bay for Werth that they could then deal to Houston. Another tweet from Tommy Rancel, a writer for DRaysBay, claimed that the Phillies had asked about B.J. Upton and Wade Davis. To me, that suggests a couple of scenarios. First, the Astros could be asking about Upton and/or Davis in a deal. I think that's unlikely, since Upton has his arbitration clock started and Davis is talented but struggling this season. He'd be an unlikely centerpiece to the trade. Another option is that the Phillies want Upton to replace Werth and are considering dealing Dom Brown to Houston. That's also unlikely.
- If the Rays do indeed send prospects to Houston via Philly, the guy who makes a lot of sense is Reid Brignac. I've been beating the drum on a Brignac trade since my first Roy Oswalt trade piece, but he makes a lot of sense. He plays a premium position (shortstop) and he's got a pretty good bat. He's under club control for the next five seasons and doesn't really have a home in Tampa Bay. If the Rays acquire Werth and put him in right, that pushes Ben Zobrist back to second base and Brignac to the bench (Jason Bartlett is a better defender at short). I like some of their other prospects, like Matt Moore, who's got a live arm and great strikeout numbers, but the two guys I'd be really interested in are Jake McGee and Nick Barnese. Both have great numbers, though Barnese is a little light in the strikeouts.
- Meanwhile, the Astros claimed right-handed reliever Nelson Figueroa from the Phillies and infielder Anderson Hernandez from the Indians off waivers. To make room for them, Houston designated Polin Trinidad and Gary Majewski for assignment, clearing out the 40-man roster while demoting Oswaldo Navarro to Round Rock to clear two spots on the 25-man. Some have speculated that the move for Hernandez may mean a Keppinger trade is imminent (as in the next week), but it's also possible that the team could designate Pedro Feliz for assignment.
- If that weren't enough trade talk, David Nuno tweeted that a source told him the Dodgers have inquired about Wandy Rodriguez. While it's not unusual for teams to call around about a bunch of players this time of year, it makes the acquisition of Figueroa stand out a bit. He give the Astros seven pitchers with starting experience on the active roster (Oswalt, Myers, Norris, Moehler, Rodriguez, Figueroa, Wright), which gives them some flexibiilty in making trades. They won't necessarily need to get a big league starting pitcher back to finish out 2010.
I think that about covers it. Let me know if I missed anything or update here as more rumors develop.
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i personally think
a deal gets done by late Thursday or Friday
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 21, 2010 8:51 PM CDT reply actions
I almost passed out from excitement when I saw that trade. There is no way that could be legit. If Wade can haul in that kind of deal, I will seriously reconsider my current feelings toward him.
by MadMartygan on Jul 21, 2010 9:24 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
the deal makes sense...
giving that much money
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 21, 2010 9:28 PM CDT reply actions
Even with that money, the players involved just from Tampa would be awesome.
by MadMartygan on Jul 22, 2010 4:40 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Omg to the update
If that deal is even close to the real thing then Wade should pay off Oswalt to leave w/o having his option exercised. That deal is beyond amazing for us, so it is of course false, unfortunately.
Breakdown: (what do u guys think?)
Houston Trades: Oswalt, Kepp, Towles, $7.5MM >>>> W. Davis, M. Moore, R. Brignac, Cosart, Singleton
Philly Trades: 1/2 season of Werth, Cosart, Singleton, ptbnl >>>> Oswalt, Kepp, $7.5 MM
Tampa Trades: W. Davis, M. Moore, R. Brignac >>>> Werth, Towles, ptbnl
They are special
Both were in the top fifty in Baseball America’s midseason top 50 prospects list (in the 26-50 range). They are both teenagers in A ball, but Singleton has the upside to become a middle of the order hitter, and Cosart has the upside to become an ace starter. Of course they are both 2+ years away so that lowers their value somewhat.
im just appauled that this makes sense. Im with you in that it makes sense. Its a great time to follow the minors! That would be one hell of a return.
by Subber10 on Jul 21, 2010 9:41 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I’m not going to say this source is even close to accurate (although if it is does that give me tcb cred?) some pieces ring true with Roy wanting his 2012 option exercised and Werth will be a piece, both Phillies and Rays will have to make roster moves to free up payroll. That and the idea of screaming “On my signal, unleash Hellickson!” sounds appealing.
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by Stephen Higdon on Jul 21, 2010 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Calcaterra says Roy is going to the Cardinals
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A BIDDING WAR!
This is exactly what we want. That possible trade would be a haul compared to what we thought we were getting. Keppinger goes with Roy. Thats selling high and we get Cosart and Singleton. WOW
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 21, 2010 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
It would hurt to see him go there, but if we can tank their farm system to 2007 Astros levels, I think I could handle it.
Yeah but we should require more
if we are doing a trade with divisional rival the likes of the Cardinals. I don’t like it, but its always good to have other possible suitors so a circus in turn starts up.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 21, 2010 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
That player to be named later
better not be a significant guy out of our system.
by SteveBartman_MVP on Jul 21, 2010 9:57 PM CDT reply actions
Too good
Philly doesn’t get enough in the trade. What does Kepp do there? I think this is way optimistic.
And looking now, doesn’t make great sense for Tampa
My first mistake was assuming you knew what I was talking about.
It's seems to good on our end
But the Rays need to get Zobrist to second and get a legit RFer, and Werth takes care of that. This is a do or die year for them. The Phils are in desperation mode and trying to do anything and everything to hold on. Kepp gives them a stand in for another few weeks while the wait for Utley to heal and the two Roys would nearly guarantee a berth to the LCS.
The major pieces moving make sense, the package just seems ridiculous coming back to us. Then again, we are eating a large chunk of Roy’s salary and giving up Kepp, who is nearly a 1WAR player in 2010 already.
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A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
by Stephen Higdon on Jul 21, 2010 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
It seems too* good
The Crawfishboxes
A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
by Stephen Higdon on Jul 21, 2010 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Sigh
I suck at self-editing. You would think having done this for nearly two years would have developed that ability, but I often wondering if I am regressing.
The Crawfishboxes
A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
by Stephen Higdon on Jul 21, 2010 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Not going to happen!
This is just laughable. Tampa gives up Davis with 5 years of control, brignac with 5 years of control and another arm for 1/2 year of Werth, Towles and any player not named Brown? Brignac is better than Towles, 5 years of Davis is worth way more than 1/2 year Werth +draft compensation and a player that is not Brown. If the Astros were able to get Brignac and Wade for Oswault + 7.5 million then they would be getting a steal! This is fan dreaming.
Can an injured Towles be traded? and why would TB want a guy that has been out with a broken finger?
Cards prospects of interest
Shelby Miller- Cardinals top prospect, is only 19, but even in A ball, his 4.40 era doesnt stand up to the hype.
Daniel Descalso- second basemen, average is lacking in 2010
Allen Craig- Power hitting first basemen/ outfielder
Eduardo Sanchez- Above average relief prospect, potential closer, only 21.
Lance Lynn- Potential starter, having an off 2010, but good career stats. Still young at 23
Adron Chambers- OF with good baserunning skills, 16 triples in 2009
John Jay- Contact/High Average OF with solid 2010 in majors. A MUST in any Cardinals trade
Sanchez, Jay and Craig would seem like a steal for Oswalt.
And 4.40 era? Umm look at his strikeouts. The guy has NASTY stuff and he’s a good ol’ texas boy. Guy has a very high ceiling and that’s what I would want in the trade
Cards fan here
I hope you’re not really going to use era to define a 19 yr old in A ball. Miller has 89K in 62 innings and he’s getting ground balls at a 46% clip. He got an extended look with the big club in spring training because Duncan was so impressed.
I think Allen Craig would be another good tie-in. Craig has hit his whole career but the team doesn’t see him as a 3B anymore and there is no place in the OF for him with Holliday, Rasmus and Ludwick. Unless Ludwick is part of the trade…
Interesting developments. I don’t see it happening, but I guess you never know. Our farm system was raped last year in the Holliday/DeRosa trades. Take Shelby and there would be nothing left. Unless maybe Mozeliak is close to signing first rounders Zach Cox and Austin Wilson… not likely though.
Miller is unquestionable a great prospect
The ERA is not an issue. He has a 2.83 FIP, which is fantastic.
However, you guys just don’t have anything else of much interest. Throw in the rivalry and that it’s a divisional trade… Yeah, I just don’t see it.
Brett Myers would make more sense on a lot of levels, but again, you run into the problem where there just aren’t the right pieces to make a deal.
In the games I’ve seen, I was not impressed with John Jay’s fielding, by the way. I have a hard time seeing any kind of match with the Cardinals…by match, I mean something that makes me feel good about the return.
Miller and Garcia would make me feel good………but I somehow doubt they’d give up both of them no matter what
Garcia is worth so much more than Oswalt
He is under control for 5.5 years
by FlimtotheFlam on Jul 22, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I would want everything they own
I would hate seeing Roy Oswalt in a Cardinals uniform. If we do a deal with them, I want their farm system to be wrecked. Gone. A smoldering ruin. (Even more than it already is.)
Of course, they could send us Jaime Garcia and Shelby Miller, then maybe we could leave them with the tattered shreds of their dignity.
Pedro Feliz I skimmed the Good Phight earlier today
for what the Phillies fans had to say. Off to the side was a poll on who should Phillies get to fill a crying infield need. One of the favorites was . . . . Pedro Feliz
I’ve not heard anyone talk of Pedro Feliz joining Roy Oswalt in a trade to Philly. Any ideas on this one?
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Jul 22, 2010 12:02 AM CDT reply actions
Wow, if that proposed trade were to happen
The Astros would suddenly jump ten, maybe even fifteen spots in the farm system rankings, and the big league club would get help in some badly needed areas.
It just seems so implausible that the other two teams would let us “win the trade” that much, though, particularly Tampa Bay. Unless the “unnamed prospect” they’re getting is Dom Brown, in which case the Phillies would rightfully be disgruntled.
Maybe if the Astros sent another prospect to Tampa Bay? Then it would be more plausible, depending on the quality of the player in question.
Here's another possibility
What if the Astros sent Lance Berkman plus cash to Tampa Bay to be their DH? I’d still pull the trigger, and the trade would look pretty fair for all parties then IMO.
Absolutely. For that group of prospects, I would do it in a heartbeat.
by MadMartygan on Jul 22, 2010 5:42 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
No way that trade happens. I do enjoy a good tease however. It usuallly involves strippers, but that prospect haul is just as sexy.
by Jordan Sams on Jul 22, 2010 6:39 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Richard Justice was on XM Home Plate this morning
A couple things of note:
- RJ thinks if Oswalt is presented with a deal he’ll approve it, even possibly without the option being picked, depending on the team. RJ seems to think that’s more Roy trying to feel out if there would be any takers on his option.
- From RJ perspective Roy sounds very motivated to get of Houston he has a strong desire to play for a winning team.
- His favorite teams according to RJ are the Yankees, and Cardinals but RJ thinks it may be Phillies because they’re going after him hard.
- RJ also discussed the 2007 draft, probably nothing we haven’t heard before. The Astros and Drew Stubbs had a deal but Drayton reneged on the deal.
- RJ also says Drayton struggles with trading Roy, Berkman and other pieces “traveling down a dark hall” is how he described Drayton’s feelings. Trading those guys would mean handing the team over to the young guys and Drayton wants to build around Berkman, and Oswalt so trading them is something Drayton struggles with.
- Roy has told RJ that he wants a Clemens deal (where he doesn’t always travel with the team) and all the hotel rooms seem the same to Roy.
That’s about all I can recall from listening while driving into work this morning,
by Timothy De Block on Jul 22, 2010 7:19 AM CDT reply actions
whats his deal with Drew Stubbs?
I know hes a good player and hes having a nice season but geez Justice brings it up ALL the time.
he does
and it pisses the crap outta me…When Stubbs goes 0-5 with 2 errors Dickie keeps his mouth shut
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Jul 22, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I see David posted on this article but I hadn’t seen this linked any where here yet.
Apparently the Cardinals are the front runners for Roy’s services.
by Timothy De Block on Jul 22, 2010 7:27 AM CDT reply actions
nevermind I see Stephen’s comment.
that’s what happens when you work till 2 in the morning, and have to be at work 6 hours later.
by Timothy De Block on Jul 22, 2010 7:31 AM CDT up reply actions
That's old information
Most of the rumors we are discussing were reported after that article you linked.
I hadn't thought of that
Now this whole Roy Oswalt trade thing just got personal.
My former avatar was a great picture I took of Lance Berkman making a throw in my direction. I lost it in one of my too frequent hard drive crashes a few years back. I wish I had it back to use. Be my luck Berkman is traded too though.
I may be forced to use a Craig Biggio, Roger Clemens, or Drayton McLane (Hmm -maybe not) picture.
This is all Ed Wade’s fault.
Enjoy Roy’s picture while you can.(I took that picture – lucky shot)
Astros fan for life
by Joe in Birmingham on Jul 22, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I can’t believe I’m saying this, but that Philly deal actually makes sense. That would be a tremendous haul for Oswalt, Kepp, and Towles.
Essentially, Oswalt is worth Brignac, Moore, and Singleton, while Keppinger, Towles and $7.5M are worth Davis and Cosart.
Trading an aging, expensive veteran, a solid but unspectacular utility player, and a AAAA catcher for long term answers at SS and 1B and 4 possible future starting pitchers…unbelievable…if this deal goes down I will love Ed Wade forever. And I will love Drayton for having the smarts to kick in the $7.5M.
by Snake Diggity on Jul 22, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Color Me Pessimistic
That would be a huge win for the Astros however, there’s nothing throughout Drayton’s ownership tenure or Ed Wade’s career as a MLB General Manager that says they are capable of pulling this off….
by Reverend Koosh on Jul 22, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Perhaps Morey could help out now that the NBA free agency has pretty much ended.
"He’s been following him around for two weeks like his lapdog". - Stan Van Gundy about Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade
by RocketsAstros on Jul 22, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Saw something on SnS that I found interesting
re: Oswalt to the Cards
Maybe Wade is just trying to create more of a market for Roy. Think about it, you’re a team that feels good about its chances to make the playoffs. Then you hear that the Cards are trying to put together a playoff rotation that looks like this:
1) Carpenter
2) Wainwright
3) Oswalt
4) Garcia
Seems to me like you’s want to prevent that from happening, which means you call up the Astros and see if you can’t beat the Cards offer. It’s a lot of conjecture, but it’s an interesting thought (albeit not an original one of mine).
"Every time you go to that cook-off you get drunk as a poet on payday!"
Which is scarier:
Carpenter, Wainwright, Oswalt, Garcia
or
Hallady, Hamels, Oswalt, Blanton
Both pretty sick.
by Snake Diggity on Jul 22, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Definitely the Cardinals rotation
At this point, the difference between Wainwright and Halladay appears to be minimal. Carpenter is better than Hamels, and I’ll take Garcia over Blanton.

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