What The Astros Need If The Rookies Can Play
The Major League Baseball non-waiver trade deadline is July 31st, one month away. There are decisions to be made in the coming weeks regarding what to pursue on the trade market; whether or not an acceptable deal for players like
With rookies Jason Castro, Chris Johnson, and Jason Bourgeois all performing well in the early going, the intriguing possibility exists that by the end of this year, they could be a lock to fill their respective positions next season. Does this play into the
Castro is all but guaranteed to be the starting
As for Jason Bourgeois, he's not a prospect, and it's doubtful that any decisions will be structured around his abilities. Still, I like what I see from him enough that if a great deal were reached involving Pence or Bourn, I wouldn't be upset with giving him a shot to start in the outfield. It's also possible that
If all of these three players do look likely to continue in their current roles next season around the July 31st deadline, what types of players should the Astros focus on getting back to help next season and in the future?
Shortstop. While Castro and Johnson might have the ability to start at their positions on many teams,
- Yunel Escobar, Braves (MLB). Having been a very good shortstop over the course of his short major league career, it is unlikely that the Braves would trade Escobar, but there have been rumors that they are unhappy with him and might be willing to move him. It might require a piece like
Hunter Pence to get this deal done, or perhaps a three-way trade which sends another shortstop (Stephen Drew, perhaps?) to Atlanta. - Reid Brignac, Rays (MLB). The Rays' shortstop situation is in question, since Jason Bartlett has not performed up to his career levels this season. However, if they would like a good player to shore up another position for a playoff push, Brignac would be one of their best pieces to obtain one. If the Astros were willing to eat Oswalt's contract, the Rays might be interested in him to anchor the top of their rotation, but a corner bat like Berkman or Pence would probably draw more interest.
Ian Desmond /Danny Espinosa, Nationals (MLB/AA). Although the Nationals are no longer contenders in the NL East, they are still rumored to be after players who can help them over the next couple of years. They could use another top of the rotation starter and a corner outfielder. Desmond projects to be average or slightly above as a shortstop, while Danny Espinosa has a higher ceiling, but needs a little more time in the minors.- Wilmer Flores, Mets (A+). The Mets are rumored to be willing to include Flores in a deal for
Cliff Lee , so if that falls through, they might be convinced to package him in a deal for Oswalt. There are some questions about whether he can stick at shortstop as he matures, and he won't be MLB-ready until 2012 or later, but Flores is an excellent prospect. - Dee Gordon, Dodgers (AA). Gordon may or may not be untouchable in a trade for a player like
Roy Oswalt , but the Astros should certainly try to get him if the Dodgers are willing to deal. The speedy shortstop was promoted aggressively to AA this season and has performed respectably there after skipping A+. He profiles as anElvis Andrus -type player at the next level. The problem is, as usual, that the Dodgers may not be able to take on payroll in a deadline trade; if the Astros are willing to eat a large portion of Oswalt's contract, that would make a deal with them seem much more likely.
Starting Pitcher. While the Astros' starting rotation has been a relative strength this season, next year it could be much weaker. It is possible that both
Prospects like Jordan Lyles and Dallas Keuchel may contribute at some point in the 2011 season, but neither of them is likely to be with the big league club opening day, and they may not arrive until as late as September. With that in mind, getting back a good young starter close to (or in) the Majors would be ideal in any trade involving Myers or Oswalt. Almost every organization has at least one such player, so I will focus only on some of the most likely or most interesting ones. I can't hope to cover all of the interesting possibilities, so feel free to point out more in the comments section if you like.
- Martin Perez/Tanner Scheppers, Rangers (AA/AAA). Rangers fans hate that either of these players could be included in a trade for
Roy Oswalt , but even they acknowledge that it's a possibility, if the Astros eat some of Oswalt's contract, which is almost a necessity because of the Rangers' financial situation. Both players have electric stuff and top of the rotation potential. Perez, like Jordan Lyles, is only 19, and will not be ready for the majors until at least the middle of next season. He is, however, the better of the two prospects, because Scheppers has some significant injury risks attached to him. Jeremy Hellickson , Rays (AAA). Having posted excellent numbers everywhere he's gone, Hellickson is one of the best pitching prospects in baseball despite stuff which is, while above average, not a plus. He has otherworldly pitchability... and no home on the Rays' big league club, where he is logjammed. The Rays don't like taking on big contracts, so the Astros would either have to eat salary (in trading a player likeLance Berkman ), or send a productive cost-controlled player (like Pence) to get him back in a trade. Even then, it may not be possible.- John Ely, Dodgers (MLB). Not an elite prospect by any means, Ely does not have great stuff, but has produced good results in his rookie season. His minor league track record is solid but unspectacular. It is unlikely that he will be better than a no. 3 or no. 4 starter going forward, but he could be a useful innings eater in that role. He would not be the only big piece involved in a trade with the Dodgers, but might be included as part of the package.
- Mike Minor/Julio Teheran/Randall Delgado/Arodys Vizcaino, Braves (AA/A+). As usual, the Braves have a whole swarm of great pitching prospects. They're looking to win now, but don't exactly have any openings in their starting rotation, so
Roy Oswalt might be out of the question, unless there is an injury, or perhaps the Astros take back a bad contract likeDerek Lowe 's in return for getting superior prospects. Alternatively,Hunter Pence could draw some interest in Atlanta. Mike Minor is the only one of these prospects likely to pitch in the Majors in 2011, so he would likely be Houston's foremosttarget , but might be untouchable. - Kyle Gibson, Twins (AA). The Twins could be one of the teams on the market for
Roy Oswalt orBrett Myers if they strike out onCliff Lee . Their most intriguing pitching prospect is Gibson, who has some injury concerns, but good stuff and pitchability, and is performing well in his first pro season, having split time between A+ and AA.
Second Base.
- Todd Frazier, Reds (AAA). In the thick of the NL Central race, the Reds will almost certainly hunt for upgrades in the next month. The question is, are the Astros willing to deal with them? A player like
Roy Oswalt orBrett Myers might interest them quite a bit, but intra-division trades are notoriously difficult to pull off. If the two parties do decide to deal, Todd Frazier could be one possibility from the Reds' system. Frazier's versatility is attractive, and he has the bat to play very well at second base, although his 2010 season has so far been somewhat disappointing. - Brock Bond, Giants (AAA). Bond is not a top prospect, probably because his best
tool is his ability to draw a walk and get on base (career .418 OBP in the minors), but that's exactly what appeals to me about him. He's exactly the kind of undervalued player who could become the nextBen Zobrist . He's having another good season at AAA, and if the Astros could sneak him away from the Giants, I'd be thrilled.
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My preference would be to acquire middle infield ML-ready prospects, either at shortstop or 2d base. Sometimes, though, you have to take the best young player offered, regardless of position. For example, if a great outfield or first base prospect were offered, you would have to consider it. In all liklihood, Wade mostly will be looking to pick up pitching prospects. There’s nothing wrong with that, in that you cannot have too many pitching prospects. So the position player prospects could become more of a throw in to the deal. In that situation, you probably look to get the best position player prospect which the other team will make available.
I view it as kind of a sliding scale. The closer a prospect is to the majors, the more weight need has versus actual prospect value. Obviously, if you’re talking about an elite prospect who has a realistic shot at becoming a star player, it doesn’t matter what position he plays. On the other hand, most of those types of prospects are untouchable for all but the very best players, which we don’t have (and wouldn’t trade if we did).
It also depends how much you’re looking for ML-ready prospects, of course. It would probably be better in the long run for the Astros to focus on getting back guys a little bit farther from the majors so they can get better prospects in trades, but Wade likely has a mandate from Drayton to be competitive next season, which makes Major League readiness more important, and in turn makes organizational need matter more by comparison.
Thoughts on your lists...
Jenry Mejia of the Mets is generally considered to be a top target in a Lee or Oswalt trade, even though the Mets may view him as untouchable. Mejia is viewed by some as similar to the Rangers’ Feliz, as a 20 year old pitching in the majors. The Mets earlier this season sent him back to AAA in order to get more starting experience. Mejia currently is shut down for shoulder tendinitis (making you wonder if the decision to pitch him in the majors at such a young age contributed to the arm stress). That makes him a riskier trade target.
Tejada, the 2d baseman, is an intriguing young Mets’ player. Since he has been promoted to the majors and is a contributor to the major league team now, the Mets may be reluctant to give him up.
If there was a way to pick up Stephen Drew, I would definitely go for it, even if it is a 3 way trade. Lately, I have become more skeptical of Escobar, and I don’t think Pence is worth trading for him. Brignac is an interesting player, but I have my doubts that the Rays will let go of him, given their future payroll reductions and his ability to become a low cost starting infielder. It looks like the Nationals have fallen out of the playoff picture, so I doubt Roy would accept a trade there now.
I have an ideal....
why don’t we trade Carlos Lee for Cliff Lee? That way, we don’t have to change the jersey…..:-)
Technically, the Astros could use any elite prospect (with the possible exception of catcher, although a catching prospect whose bat was good enough would be of value since he could probably play 1B). I think the better way to look at it is to evaluate the entire system, not just the major league roster. I think at this juncture, there is no reason for Houston to add 2nd tier prospects. Their farm has been rebuilt to the point that all it is lacking is elite level talent. It’s depth is fine.
So I think the bottom line for Houston at the trade deadline is that no deal is worth doing unless it includes a top 100 type prospect, regardless of position.
Since this likely means eating salary, I’m not optimistic about it going down like that.
Farm Depth
Players under 26 with high level of success at their current level or recent high draft picks, by position:
C- Castro, Heath
1B- Clemens, Hinze
2B- Cartwright, Altuve, DeShields, Wates
SS- Mier
3B- Johnson, Meyer, Kvasnicka
OF- Bogusevic, Shuck, Barnes, Austin, Martinez, Nash
SP- Lyles, Keuchel, Seaton, Bushue, Folty, Velasquez
RP- Villar, Gervacio, Lo, Berner, Urckfitz, Clark, Trinidad, Leon, Grimmett, Cruz
Judging by that, I’d say the biggest need areas are SS, 1B, SP, and 3B, in that order.
by Snake Diggity on Jul 2, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Not really the right way to look at it
For the most part, I agree with the positions of need (though not your ordering of them), but the way you’re looking at it above, it seems like you’re weighting each prospect the same way, value-wise. This simply isn’t the case, and it makes a difference in terms of how you rank the positions of need for a trade.
Second base, for instance; you left it off your list of needs, when in fact it should probably be near the top, maybe a little below shortstop and starting pitching.
Cartwright is the only one of our second base prospects close enough to the majors to sniff big league action before September 2012… and he’s simply not that good of a prospect at this point. He’s in the same position right now Koby Clemens was in last year. He’s had a great half-season, but it’s well above his career averages, and he’s doing it in the most hitter-friendly ballpark in pro baseball. He has the potential to be a top ten prospect next year if he has an .800+ OPS season at AA, but right now, he’s not even in the top twenty, and isn’t really an important consideration when we’re talking about trades.
Altuve will be lucky to see time in AA ball next season, let alone the majors, and his height is still a warning flag (though it’s probably somewhat overstated). DeShields and Wates are even farther away from the big leagues.
So basically, unless you don’t plan to be competitive until 2013 (which I wouldn’t necessarily disagree with, but I know Ed Wade and Drayton McLane would), second base is a position of need when trading for prospects close to the majors.

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