What is happening to Carlos Lee.....happens
by AstrosBill on May 27, 2010 12:48 PM CDT
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I have been reading some unfair assessments of Carlos Lee in this forum. And I'm guilty also and I have been wrong.
Now obviously everyone is welcome to their opinion and this year Carlos has started bad. But some have said he's been bad for a couple of year now. That is NOT accurate. Last year; .300avg/26HR/102RBI/.343OBP/.831OPS. Those are not bad numbers. He was arguably the best offensive player we had in 2009. Granted he's not going to chase down many in the outfield and if he dives I'm not sure what small country be affected by the earthquake; but this is not a bad player.
Carlos is 34; most players start the decline around this point in their career.......unless there is a "chemical" enhancement to "correct" this problem. This may be the beginning of the end for him. But; no one can say for sure that it's not just a long slump to start the season. Even if it is the beginning of the end; this stuff happens. Anyone want to say Biggio was at the top of his game in his last (I'll be nice) 2 years? That would be foolish. Players get older and the really good ones sign big, multi-year deals that will take them to the end of their careers. Carlos gave us 3 quality years and now; to pay for those, we get the last three years of a very good career. The last three probably won't be as good as the first three. Is it Carlos' fault? Do we blame him for getting older??
I believe the bitterness towards Carlos is that in his 3 good years we didn't see the playoffs. Is that his fault?? Or is that Drayton Mclane and Tim Pupura's fault for not bringing in pitching and signing our draft picks. Don't blame Carlos for front office failures.
Since becoming an Astro Carlos Lee's three year average stats are .306/29HR/107RBI. We would take that from Lee, Berkman or Pence any year. Yes; he's off to a bad start, but let's consider his past history and hold off on the firing squad just a little bit longer.
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A lot of the hostility is the fact that he’s going to be tremendously over paid for being a one dimensional player going into his decline years.
by Timothy De Block on May 27, 2010 1:09 PM CDT reply actions
I agree. I think people are upset by his pay and the way it hamstrings the Astros’ budget. He has been a productive hitter. I doubt many would argue against that (his current long slump, nothwithstanding). But, given that he isn’t a great defender, his good offense isn’t great enough to justify his salary.
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I disagree that he was “arguably the best offensive player we had” in 2009. Berkman was much, much more productive.
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i still expect him to reach at least .280 and 20 HR…his days of 25/100 might soon come to an end tho…is he overpaid? yea, but he will pick it up
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on May 27, 2010 3:14 PM CDT reply actions
I disagree
I think the assessments are justified.
-He is grossly overpaid, which is one of the main reasons Houston isn’t competitive/able to rebuild. He doesn’t seem to mind that he isn’t earning his $.
-He comes across as lazy. Whether it’s his weight or demeanor, he doesn’t seem to care about showing an effort for the fans paying his salary.
-We have 2 1/2 more years of this….ugh.
Snake hit the nail on the head...
I rode the stick pony in the beginning, and when he showed up late to spring training last year, it just felt like he didn’t care. With that said, I feel that his performance up to this point is a minor problem compared to the problems that this franchise faces. I remember believing that Brandon Backe was going to turn the corner, and the stage was being set for October, but as Baseball has showed us time and time again, it is very unpredictable. You can’t blame Carlos Lee for not waving his no-trade clause, he knows that after his contract is up, his baseball career is pretty much over. He loves Houston and for that very same reason, he gave us a few good years. But after all, he is human, and not perfect. So lets ride out the storm, as fans, and watch Baseball because it is America’s past time.
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by NocturnalMatt on May 27, 2010 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
To add to what timmy said
Has anyone ever gone backpacking? After you spend the day carrying a 50 pound pack and you take it off, it is an amazing feeling. It seems as if you’re walking on the moon. Carlos is carrying that weight and he could hire a private chef, install one of those endless pools, whatever, and maintain some discipline for the ginormous checks he gets cut.
Ditto for Fielder. Maybe teams should have public weigh ins wearing bike shorts as part of contracts.
miguel was
our best and most clutch hitter last year!! way way better than what we got this year he carried us at times last year not with homers, big doubles and singles n big situations. hated to see him go love to see him back. he would be our best clutch again thisyear.
lee
carlos is comming around quickly now! when we signed him we saw this comming and had no problem then!! here it is. but omg wat a lazy tub if wants to this big, he should produce that big 300+ average 30 homers + 100 + RBI FOR 300+ to nice lbs.
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