Battle of the Astros GMs: Ed Wade vs. Gerry Hunsicker
A lot of events have come together recently for me. Like the Astros hosting the Rays, Gerry Hunsicker giving a long interview to Richard Justice, Stephen writing again about how to view Ed Wade, etc. They've all started to form this idea in my mind. How can we compare GMs? Is it possible to look at their moves with some semblance of fairness and equity? Luckily, they have a stat called Wins Above Replacement (WAR) and now, both FanGraphs and Baseball Reference offer historical WAR data.
This became the perfect storm of a research project for me. I got to look into Hunsicker's history as Astros GM AND compare it to Ed Wade's? SCORE! But, to make things fair, I just looked at the first three years of each man's tenure with the Astros. For Wade, that brings him up to now, but for Hunsicker, it stopped at the 1998 season. I looked at each man's trade history, their track record for free agent signings and, most importantly, what kind of roster each was given when they took the job.
The only thing I haven't analyzed here is the draft. I'll leave that up to you TCBers to come up with judgements on how each drafted over the years and if that gives or takes away points from their records. Without further ado...
First, a tale of the tape. Hunsicker was hired on Nov. 11, 1995 while Wade was brought on Sept. 9, 2007.
Here is a list of Husicker's signing in those first three winters:
| Date | Name | WAR |
| 12/7/1995 | John Cangelosi | 1.4 |
| 1/5/1996 | Anthony Young | -0.1 |
| 1/10/1996 | Bill Spiers | 8.9 |
| 4/24/1996 | Xavier Hernandez | -0.3 |
| 5/17/1996 | Randy Knorr | 0.2 |
| 7/23/1996 | Terry Clark | -0.5 |
| 12/2/1996 | Sid Fernandez | 0 |
| 12/2/1996 | Pat Listach | -1.3 |
| 12/4/1996 | Thomas Howard | 0.3 |
| 12/19/1996 | Luis Gonzalez | 1.7 |
| 12/19/1996 | Mike Magnante | 0.5 |
| 12/30/1996 | Russ Springer | -0.2 |
| 6/1/1997 | Chuckie Carr | 0.9 |
| 11/24/1997 | Dave Clark | -1.2 |
| 12/9/1997 | Jack Howell | 0.4 |
| 1/9/1998 | Pete Schourek | 0.4 |
| Total WAR | 11.1 |
Most of the total on this list came from Bill Spiers, who had 8.9 WAR in five seasons with the Astros. Half of that came in 1997, when he had 4.6 WAR. The rest is a list of bench players, pinch-hitting experts and relievers. It's not an impressive list, but he did get adequate seasons out of guys like John Cangelosi, Chuckie Carr and Luis Gonzalez (in his return trip to the club). The biggest problem here is that Hunsicker never hit a home run with anyone. Of course, he also didn't sign any big name free agents. With owner Drayton McLane leery of adding big-name starting pitching after the Greg Swindell and Doug Drabek disasters, Hunsicker had to play with the hand he was dealt.
And now for Wade's:
| Date | Name | WAR |
| 11/30/2007 | Kazuo Matsui | 0.7 |
| 11/20/2007 | Geoff Blum | -0.8 |
| 11/28/2007 | Doug Brocail | 0.9 |
| 12/7/2007 | Mark Loretta | 1.1 |
| 12/27/2007 | Darin Erstad | -0.9 |
| 2/20/2008 | Shawn Chacon | 0 |
| 4/3/2008 | Tim Byrdak | 1.4 |
| 12/1/2008 | Mike Hampton | -0.2 |
| 12/18/2008 | Aaron Boone | -0.3 |
| 12/14/2008 | Jason Michaels | -0.3 |
| 1/13/2009 | Russ Ortiz | -0.3 |
| 3/20/2009 | Ivan Rodriguez | -0.1 |
| 4/6/2009 | Yorman Bazardo | -1.1 |
| 12/10/2009 | Pedro Feliz | -1 |
| 12/11/2009 | Brandon Lyon | 0.3 |
| 1/20/2010 | Cory Sullivan | -0.3 |
| 1/8/2010 | Brett Myers | 0.9 |
| Total WAR | 0.00 |
Ouch. That's a zero WAR total for Wade in 17 signings. Sort of backs up Stephen's hypothesis from Wednesday, doesn't it? While Hunsicker clearly wasn't gangbusters at finding guys off the scrap heap, he did a better job than Wade has. Granted, Wade's numbers should rise a bit with full seasons from Myers and Lyon.
As for trades, here's Hunsicker's list:
| Traded | Received | Total WAR Traded | Total WAR Received |
| Raul Chavez, Dave Veres | Sean Berry | 4.4 | 3.8 |
| Rich Loiselle | Danny Darwin | 2.2 | -0.8 |
| Rick Wilkins | Kirt Manwaring | 2.3 | 0.5 |
| Kevin Gallaher, Pedro Santana | Andujar Cedeno, Gregg Olson | 0 | 0 |
| Doug Brocail, Brian Hunter, Todd Jones, Orlando Miller | Brad Ausmus, Jose Lima, Trever Miller, C.J. Nitkowski, Daryle Ward | 13.6 | 7.3 |
| Sean Runyan | Luis Lopez | 0.7 | 0 |
| Luis Lopez | Tim Bogar | -0.2 | 0.2 |
| Conditional | Todd Haney | 0 | 0 |
| Alvin Morman | Jose Cabrera | 0.2 | 1.2 |
| Julien Tucker | Tony Pena | 0 | -0.1 |
| Maneul Barrios, Oscar Henriquez, Mark Johnson | Moises Alou | -0.7 | 11.8 |
| John Hudek | Carl Everett | 0 | 9.3 |
| James Mouton | Sean Bergman | -1 | 2.2 |
| No. of Players: 19 | No. of Players: 18 | 21.5 | 35.4 |
| 1.13 | 1.97 |
The best trade of the bunch was three nobodies for Moises Alou. That was an absolute theft. 11.8 WAR in three seasons? For three players who didn't even break even? That narrowly tops the Carl Everett heist, though that should be adjusted depending on how you think WAR values relievers. Still, Everett provided MVP-caliber numbers when healthy for a guy who basically became a setup man.
Hunsicker's worst trade could have been Rich Loiselle for a 40-year old Danny Darwin. It was a half season rental, but Loiselle went on to have a nice six-year career. Funny how much Hunsicker tinkered with his bullpen, especially since we all give Wade so much crap for doing the same thing.
One of the trades that surprised me is how poorly the huge Detroit swap turned out. Granted, it only counted two Ausmus seasons, since he was quickly traded back to the American League. One of the big factors was Daryl Ward's negative WAR value for most of his seasons. It seems his terrible defense did not offset his prodigious power enough.
And Wade's trade history:
| Traded | Received | WAR Traded | WAR Received |
| Brad Lidge and Eric Bruntlett | Michael Bourn, Geoff Geary and Mike Costanzo | 0.3 | 5.7 |
| Josh Anderson | Oscar Villarreal | 0.6 | -1.1 |
| Matt Albers, Dennis Sarfate, Troy Patton, Luke Scott and Mike Costanzo | Miguel Tejada | 5.3 | 5.9 |
| Chris Burke, Juan Gutierrez and Chad Qualls | Jose Valverde | 3.7 | 1.5 |
| Chad Reineke | Randy Wolf | 0 | 2 |
| Matt Cusick | LaTroy Hawkins | 0 | 1.1 |
| PTBNL: Drew Sutton | Jeff Keppinger | 0.1 | 0.5 |
| Ivan Rodriguez | Matt Nevarez | 1.2 | 0 |
| Luis Bryan, Robert Bono and a PTBNL: Jorge Jimenez | Matt Lindstrom | 0 | 0.4 |
| Total WAR | 11.2 | 16 | |
| WAR per Player | 0.62 | 1.60 |
There is not a horrendous trade in this bunch. Actually, most of them have turned out pretty well. Yes, Villarreal was a bad move. Josh Anderson hasn't shown he can be anything but a fifth outfielder, though. Wade's WAR values are also skewed some because he has so many relievers in deals. I have a hard time believing Chad Qualls is better than Jose Valverde and close to as good as Brad Lidge. It may be fair, but it seems low to me. The Tejada deal also turned out even now, but could look worse in a couple years, if Troy Patton ever makes it.
Some of Wade's trades are hard to define yet, since we don't have much info on guys like Lindstrom, Nevarez, Bono or Valljeo. Still, I was pleasantly surprised with his non-suckitude here.
What this doesn't answer, though, is what state the franchise was in when each man inherited his role. After all, the tinkering Hunsicker was doing to the bench was only necessary because many of his positions were tied up with the like of Jeff Bagwell, Craig Biggio and Derek Bell. Wade had a couple spots taken, but not nearly the production. Here's the complete breakdown:
| Holdover Roster WAR | Hunsicker | Wade |
| Position Players | 56.6 | 14.1 |
| Starting Rotation | 19.1 | 12.9 |
| Overall | 75.7 | 27 |
Wow, that Position Player WAR is just staggering, isn't it? That's almost 20 WAR per season! Most of it stems from three players: Biggio, Bagwell and Derek Bell. The starting rotations were basically even, only because Hunsicker had to let Daryl Kile walk after the 1997 season. Still, is there a better chart to illustrate just what an advantage having proven players on a roster can be?
Did I mention Wade's 14.1 WAR total includes Lance Berkman and Carlos Lee? Two players making over 30 million dollars between them? Not good times for Eddie.
I don't know that this means a whole lot in the scheme of things. It's very hard to accurately evaluate general managers, much less compare them. However, I definitely adjusted my opinions of both men to some extent. What did I miss?
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A great draft conquers all
I’m not really sure you can blame a GM completely for bad drafts, but it seems to me that the Astros are still suffering from a succession of average drafts dating from the early 2000s (culminating in the farcical 2007 draft, which was to some degree Drayton’s fault).
Look at what Astrodaily has
http://www.astrosdaily.com/files/trans/draft1997pre.html (only a partial listing)
I’m looking for draft history for Wade’s tenure.
by Timothy De Block on May 27, 2010 8:15 AM CDT reply actions
actually it looks like Hunsicker got in after the 1995 draft so here’s 1998
by Timothy De Block on May 27, 2010 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Wade:
2008: http://houston.astros.mlb.com/team/draft.jsp?c_id=hou&year=2008
2009: http://houston.astros.mlb.com/team/draft.jsp?c_id=hou&year=2009
obviously a little more difficult considering Wades selections haven’t done anything yet and he still has one more draft before you can compare him with Hunsicker’s 1998 draft. I think Hunsicker set the bar pretty high with selections such as Berkman, and Oswalt, and getting quality out of guys like Redding, Miller. 1998 saw Hunsicker take Ensberg and Lidge, so I think the bar is set pretty high considering these were big pieces in getting the Astros to the World Series in 2005.
by Timothy De Block on May 27, 2010 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions
The WAR totals aren’t showing on the trade charts, by the way.
The payroll constrained Wade more when he arrived, like you say. He not only had the big three’s contracts, he also inherited a stinker contract for Woody Williams. That limited what he could do with the rotation initially. Hunsicker had the advantage of the Venezuelan Academy at its peak. Wade probably was forced into trading Lidge, due to lack of fan support and probable orders from Drayton, as well as the prospect that he would cost a lot of money.
Those two top trades by Hunsicker, Everett and Alou, were beauties. I was just ecstatic as a fan when I earned that Alou had been acquired without the Astros losing anything from the big league roster. Alou was also a speedy outfielder at the time (before his injuries). Everett may have been the best trade, though, in terms of projecting a player. Everett hadn’t shown that he was any good, and had a reputation as a malcontent. And Carl Everett turned out to be just the player that the Astros needed. Hunsicker’s trade for Sean Berry isn’t bad either.
The Hunsicker trade which bothered me a lot at the time was the Brian Hunter/Orlando Miller trade, which meant giving up two talented young players and receiving a hodge podge of relievers in return. Hunter came up as a hyped prospect and he looked like he could become a CFer who might compete for a batting championship. He was traded in the off-season after Dierker was named manager. I guessed that Dierker wanted to trade him. My only basis for that speculation is that I had listened to the prior season of Dierker, the broadcaster, in which Dierker frequently criticized Hunter because he didn’t seem to do the little things. Dierker, in the booth, seemed pissed that Hunter had so much talent but never learned things like bunting properly. Hunter went on to have a decent, but unspectacular, career as a 4th outfielder.
Hunsicker is one of those GMs who proves that you don’t have to be a sabermetrician to become a GM whom the saber types would respect. Hunsicker didn’t care for statistics (supposedly Garner had to pay for a statistical expert out of his own pocket, because the Astros didn’t approve of that type of advice at the time). But Hunsicker had a great instinct for acquiring players.
I have to point out two negatives on Hunsicker's ledger in this time period...
which aren’t reflected in the trades. First, he let Bobby Abreu go in the expansion draft. This was a conscious decision by the Astros to rate Hidalgo higher than Abreu…which was a misjudgement. And, second, Hunsicker was on duty when the Astros let Johan Santana go in the Rule 5 draft before the 1999 season. Obviously a bad call on Santana’s talent.
Wade was assistant GM in 1996 and was promoted to GM of the Phillies in 1997. So he was involved in the acquisition of Abreu. If he wanted to stretch it, maybe Wade could say he beat Hunsicker on that trade. The Phillies had a pre-arranged trade with the Rays whereby they would take Abreu in the expansion draft and immediately trade him to the Phillies.
Both were poor judgements of future talents, for sure. At the same time, Hidalgo actually had been productive at the big league level, while Abreu hadn’t done anything in small roles over two seasons. That’s not the best reason to let someone go, but it is probably why they made that call.
I didn’t realize how lopsided that first Detroit trade was. It’s also interesting to note that Hunsicker either signed, received or traded five different shortstops during that time frame: Bill Spiers, Orlando Miller, Pat Listach, Tim Bogar and Andujar Cedeno. Talk about a revolving door…
by David Coleman on May 27, 2010 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Couldn’t that also be a reflection of a strong farm system?
Johan Santana wasn’t anything special at the time and I like to think he was helped tremendously by moving over to the Twins development system. Bobby Abreu true a bad move to let him go, but again that was having to decide between Hidalgo and Abreu. Hidalgo looked like the right choice for a little bit then just fell off the cliff.
I’m getting away from the conversation but my favorite play ever in Astros history was when Bagwell caught a fly ball in shallow right field and the other team decided to send the runner anyways because of his arm. Bagwell simply flipped the ball to Hidalgo who had been moving in to backup the play and gunned down the runner at the plate.
by Timothy De Block on May 27, 2010 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh, I agree that the Astros abundance of talent was a factor in letting both guys go. The Astros had to make a choice between Santana and a couple of other farm system prospects (can’t recall the names) who never made it. The track record for Santana at the time consisted of minor league experience between the ages of 18 and 20; one would like to think that his age would be taken into account. Hindsight and all that. Abreu was a worse misjudgement because he was a highly regarded prospect when he was called up. During his time with the Astros, he got a bad character type label because he seemed lackadaisical. But apparently that was just his personality, and not a character defect. I think that label by the Astros contributed to the decision to let him go.
Fixed the table, should be showing up fine now.
by David Coleman on May 27, 2010 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Not really a fair comparison
Bobby Heck said it himself, you need three draft classes just to restock the minor leagues. I want to see if Jason Castro, Jordan Lyles, Jiovanni Mier, Dallas Keuchel, and the like pan out before I make any judgment on Wade.
I'm glad that you had the good sense
To quantify this instead of rambling about it for 500 words.
The Crawfishboxes
A good friend of mine used to say, "This is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains." Think about that for a while.
by Stephen Higdon on May 27, 2010 12:56 PM CDT reply actions
Nice discussion
but the flaws to the comparisons are everywhere. Wish we had a better stat to use than just WAR, since it accumulates overtime, and Hunsicker’s players have already finished their career with the Astros, while some of Wade’s haven’t.
Also, where’s the Randy Johnson trade? I’m going to guess that will look horrible for Hunsicker. Big Unit had a monster year for us, but was only half of one season. Garcia, Guillen, and Halama have had multiple solid years for other teams after the trade. What’s their WAR combined?
by goingforthecorner on May 27, 2010 4:05 PM CDT reply actions
Fascinating comparison
If there’s an award for best post of the month, this should win. I cringe to think how Purpura would measure up.
I think Hunter Pence was Purpura’s only bright spot
by Timothy De Block on May 28, 2010 7:37 AM CDT up reply actions

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