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How good should we feel about Lance Berkman's return to the Astros?

Remember six days ago when I was all doom and gloom about Lance Berkman returning to the Astros? I don't know if I am overly persuasive (my ego hopes this is the case) or if the facts themselves lead to dreary conclusions, but apparently the majority of you were feeling the doom and gloom vibe, too. Eitherway, this is how we felt about it in cold, hard percentages:

Time Frame Percentage
Late-April 12.4%
First Week of May 15.1%
Mid-May 26.3%
Late-May 7.7%
Sometime in June 8.9%
After the All Star Break 5.4%
We may never see Lance Berkman in an Astros Uniform Again 24.3%

 

Only 12.4% of us had it correct. The rest of us—myself included—are pessimists. Not that we were pessimists irrationally so, though. The news—six days ago—was that the Puma could only do short sprints at 75% and that he needed to be 100% before he could get back into an Astros uniform (i.e. the Astros weren't going to let him come back, play a few games, take a few off, and play that game for as long as necessary). It seemed nearly impossible that he would be back before the fourth month of the year had ticked away. Apparently six days makes a world of difference in Lance Berkman's knee.

Over the weekend, Lance made the all too familiar trek up 290 to Round Rock (for myself and Evan, at least). There he wasted no time playing 11-12 innings (I've read conflicting reports), going 3/6 with a HR and 2B. Alledgedly, he has experienced no meaningful pain or swelling in the knee. What excites me the most is that he hit a double, played multiple innings of actual baseball, and has nothing truly negative happened. That is a big deal.

So, how excited should we be about this development? I'll start with a quote from the man, himself:

[T]his is definitely to the point now it's manageable. Before, when I tried to push it that one day [late in Spring Training], I just could not do it. But this is different. It's still a little bit swollen, but it's manageable.

And now to the more objective opinions of an man who specializes in injuries and athletes, Will Carroll:

He needs to get out there and do as much as he can while he can, because it's clear this is a problem that will linger. Just don't spin this as he's back "early." It's possible they can manage it well enough that he doesn't miss a game the rest of the year, but that's far from likely.

This is what I read into the information at hand: Lance Berkman's knee, about six weeks out from surgery, is about as good as it's going to be. But there has been a change in the expectation of how the Astros and Lance Berkman view a full recovery. The change is that Berkman will probably never get back to "100%," and swelling, stiffness, and—possibly—surgery to clean out his knee again are likely on the horizon. Thus, it makes sense to play Berkman as much as possible while things are going well, but we should not view this as the return of the offensive/defensive stalwart we know and love.

Having Lance Berkman back in an Astros uniform tonight will make me feel a lot better about the state of the Astros, but I won't be able to shake of the doubt in my mind surrounding his ability to stick in the lineup. Every diving play, stretch at first, or sprint down the lines will result in a spike in my blood pressure. I think the answer to how good we should feel about Lance Berkman's return to the Astros is easily summed with two words: cautiously optimistic. Though cautious we should be, there is nothing wrong with being excited to have the Astros only great bat back in the lineup (just keep in mind clack's wise words of caution regarding what to expect from that bat). In terms of mushy, subjective stuff, Lance Berkman's return should do a lot for the psyche of his teammates, and maybe that will imbue them with the ability to perform offensively.

Here's to cautious, heavily tempered optimism. That and speculation as to who will be dropped from the 25-man roster.

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Something to keep in mind

ML: How often did you play at less than 100 percent due to fatigue or nagging injuries?

ME: The last time any player was 100 percent they were 12 years old.

From Hardball Times’ interview with Morgan Ensberg.

Not saying this in a nitpicking kind of way, but I believe players can and often do play through injuries and still produce at or above the level expected from them. Let’s hope that’s the case for Lance!

by OremLK on Apr 20, 2010 6:05 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree the general idea presented

But let’s remember that it is from the same Ensberg who pretty much never recovered from a shoulder injury that he played through.

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by Stephen Higdon on Apr 20, 2010 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Berkman said that he felt fine running the bases, but that he felt more soreness when holding the base runner. That makes me think that his defense will be more affected than his hitting or running. Hopefully, as we go forward, his knee will recover more and be close to normal later in the season. Most of us apparently were too pessimistic on the progressive recovery of Berkman’s knee, and maybe we continue to be too pessimistic.

by clack on Apr 20, 2010 7:27 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm pessimistically hopeful (rather than cautiously optimistic)

When I heard Lance’s knee swole again after six innings (or 12 innigs over two days) my inclination was to give him another week’s rest. Same theory as to why doctors say keep taking the medicine even after you feel better.

The Will Carroll quote gives me pause, however. I hope he knows what he’s speaking about that Lance’s playing won’t hurt his knee and send him back to square one in the healing process. Since I am one who’s thinking Lance is coming back too early, Will Carroll’s admoniton we should not spin this as Lance’s coming back early makes me doubt my “knee-jerk” evaluation.

I’m still concerned, however. (Lance’s self-prognosis, of course, is unreliable)

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by Joe in Birmingham on Apr 20, 2010 9:21 AM CDT reply actions  

Oops - grammar correction

I think maybe “swole” should be “swelled”

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by Joe in Birmingham on Apr 20, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

My worry is that he'll do something stupid on defense

And re-injure it. There are times when having a DH spot would be nice, even though I prefer the NL style of play, and this is one of them.

by OremLK on Apr 20, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Huh, I didn’t take you for a Communist, timmy…

by David Coleman on Apr 20, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

I just don’t think it’s any fun to watch a pitcher come up with less ability to hit a baseball than the backup defensive catcher. Sure their are some good hitting pitchers but those are rare, and even then they’re hitting like a light hitting shortstop.

I think with the emphasis on splits with the DH in place you’d see better batter verse pitcher match-ups. As opposed to when the pitcher bats currently in place you have to save your reserve players for when replacing the pitcher.

Bagwell would of been able to play a couple more years, and we wouldn’t cringe every time a ball heads into left field, with the hope that El Caballo was positioned right.

by Timothy De Block on Apr 20, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

If for no other reason, I'm not in favor of the DH because...

it keeps the pitchers from throwing at batters (not that any pitchers would EVER do that intentionally).

by titansfan4ever on Apr 20, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

AL pitchers this year have hit 68 batters

NL pitchers have hit 65 batters

Last year in 2009 Their were 725 batters hit in the AL the NL had 865 batters hit.

by Timothy De Block on Apr 20, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know there are legitimate reasons the DH could help the club. It would have prevented Carlos Hernandez from getting hurt like he did, for instance.

I was just kidding ya about it. After all, we’re National League fans. Aren’t we supposed to hate the DH and Astroturf?

by David Coleman on Apr 20, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know you didn't mean anything =)

being one of the few in favor of the NL going DH, I like discussing the topic from time to time.

by Timothy De Block on Apr 20, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Like I said, I do prefer the NL style of play, but I’m more in favor of both leagues playing by the same rules than I am against having the DH. If the NL decided to use the DH rule I guess I would be okay with it, even though I would prefer both leagues go by NL rules.

Just want some consistency, y’know.

by OremLK on Apr 20, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

I remember reading a story about how the NL almost adopted the DH as well. I can’t remember the two owners involved but one owner told his representative to follow the vote of this other owner (owners didn’t always show up to votes). The other owner was going to vote for the DH but was also not going to be present at the voting, but his representative voted against the DH so the other owners representative followed that vote, and the NL didn’t adopt the DH.

I wish I could find the story by my memory and google are failing me.

by Timothy De Block on Apr 20, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Found it

http://www.britannica.com/bps/additionalcontent/18/34103160/After-35-years-Designated-Hitter-Debate-Still-Heated

It is not as well-known that the N.L. came close to accepting the measure at the same time. With 12 clubs in each league at the time, seven votes were required for passage. The N.L. vote was 6-4 with two abstentions, the Phillies and Pirates.

Years later, Phillies executive Bill Giles said that his inability to reach then-owner Ruly Carpenter, a proponent of the DH, on the telephone resulted in Philadelphia’s abstention. Pittsburgh’s representatives were instructed by Pirates owner John Galbraith to vote with the Phillies. Carpenter was on a fishing trip.

by Timothy De Block on Apr 20, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like the followup paragraph, too.

Think of how baseball might have been different all these years if there had been cellular phones back then. But as Giles remarked in the current book, “Change Up,” an oral history of the modern game, “If (the rule) came up for a vote today, the result would be more likely the elimination of the DH in the American League.”…

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by Joe in Birmingham on Apr 20, 2010 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

why? they have been the Astros’ best hitters.

by clack on Apr 20, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

I sure hope that’s not the case at the end of the season.

by Timothy De Block on Apr 20, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Knee-jerk" evaluation....I got it...that's funny, dude.

As long as he hits the Crawford Boxes, he won’t have to worry about running too fast on the bases. And since he doesn’t use his knee to hit with, I’m gonna say there’s a good chance of that happening. And every time he places one there (which he will), we can all say how glad we were to be wrong about his return.

by titansfan4ever on Apr 20, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Who will be dropped?

I think almost everyone expects Chris Johnson to be set to Round Rock to make room for Lance. (Iexpect this too)

On Chip Bailey’s blog yesterday several post argued Kaz Matsui should be released. (I don’t favor this).

Cory Sullivan is in a bad hitless streak. I wonder if maybe Sullivan won’t be the odd man out since Brad Mills might want Chris Johnson’s bat to help the punchless offense.

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by Joe in Birmingham on Apr 20, 2010 9:52 AM CDT reply actions  

Everytime I work through the logic, I keep coming back to “no choice but to send Chris Johnson to Round Rock.” Unless Chris Johnson can play the outfield, I don’t see how you can cut Cory Sullivan and keep CJ. On top of that, the Astros will have only one true LHB (Bourn) and two semi-LHBs (Berkman and Blum better as lefties). That would be a weakness, and from I have seen from Mills, he pays a lot of attention lefty/righty batting. If Sullivan is cut for performance reasons, he would need to be replaced by a AAA outfielder. Similarly, cutting Matsui doesn’t free up playing time for CJ. I think the Astros might have some misgivings about sending Johnson to RR, but I don’t see how they can avoid it. I guess we’ll see.

by clack on Apr 20, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

I’ve been pleased with what I’ve seen from Sullivan and his plate appearances, sure he’s not hitting but he’s looked a lot better than the lefty outfielder we had last season.

by Timothy De Block on Apr 20, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree. Sullivan has been hitting some line drives which have been caught. However, Sullivan’s history tells us we shouldn’t expect too much from his offense.

by clack on Apr 20, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you go to the minor league baseball homepage

and look down at the video selections, there is one Lance Berkman. Probably won’t be front page for long.

by ol Pete on Apr 20, 2010 10:01 AM CDT reply actions  

Me too

Twitter is over run by the untimely passing of the Rockies president (sincerest condolences go out) and Volquez.

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by Stephen Higdon on Apr 20, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Johnson to the DL

Berkman active and Johnson is out with a strained intercostal muscle.

by David Coleman on Apr 20, 2010 2:43 PM CDT reply actions  

The Expected: Lance Berkman activated per Alyson Footer

The Twist: Chris Johnson placed on 15 day DL

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by Joe in Birmingham on Apr 20, 2010 2:43 PM CDT reply actions  

interesting use of DL.

by clack on Apr 20, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don’t think this is the case since he has 3 years of options but, are they trying to preserve his option years in case Berkman goes back on the DL for an even longer period of not all the season…only reason i can think of doing this.

by Subber10 on Apr 20, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes. I can’t really see the Astros’ motivation otherwise. It’s not like the Astros want Chris Johnson to be doing something other than playing.

by clack on Apr 20, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey guys, I've got a question.

One of the few bright spots so far has been Lindstrom…is there any chance we could get him into the rotation as a starter?

by titansfan4ever on Apr 20, 2010 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don’t see that happening. He really is a 2 pitch guy, which is fine for a closer, but not what you want in a starter. Also, with his shoulder injury history, starting might be a risk.

by clack on Apr 20, 2010 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

A solid closer improves team pitching (and maybe even team offense)

Lazer. . uh Lightning . . uh whaetever nickname sticks . . Lindstrom has been magic at the closer role this spring. Leave him there.

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by Joe in Birmingham on Apr 20, 2010 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

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